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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Big Al Whittle Date: 28 Feb 22 - 04:29 AM looks like the History channel has got some new material to work on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 28 Feb 22 - 07:03 AM Bonzo, a palace coup, putsch or assasination would be hampered by covid testing and 2 weeks quarantine to get close to Putin. :^/ The truth is Putin is as isolated as a former Trump with very few old crazy KGB yes man pals around him. If Putin wants to hear what advisors have to say, he tells them what to say. Switzerland banks are warning Russain Oligarchs that their accounts may be frozen. A word to the wise Russains will give most of them a chance to move and hide fortunes. The loyalty of these oligarchs to Putin is problomatic. London banks, similar to Switzerland, are wimping out for now. Sweden and Germany will give weapons directly to Ukraine. The ruble dropped 30%. 110 rubles now buys a dollar. Putin has thrown 'all in' with a go big or go home strategy. A Russain occupying army will face hardships as time goes by as in any occupying army after street by street battles. History shows Ukraine has thrown out Russain occupying police before. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 28 Feb 22 - 08:32 AM My Grandad was from Kropotkin on the Kuban river and my Dad was always proud of being a Kuban Cossack. Cossack lineage flows down the male side so I guess I am one too! One of the things my Dad always said was "Don't trust the Russians!" It confused me for years but, after my Grandad died and my Grandma remarried another Cossack I found at their wedding feast, held at the Ukrainian club in Manchester, 1972, the anti-Russian feeling against Russia by Cossacks was palpable. The Russian state has used Cossacks in their wars for centuries. There are verified instances of mounted Cossacks attacking German tanks in WW2. Their courage and fierceness is legendary. As Ukraine is the focal point for Don, Kuban and Zaporozhian Cossacks, it makes me wonder why the current regime is foolish enough to take them on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - From 2022-2023 From: Donuel Date: 01 Mar 22 - 12:11 PM About the only (sensible thing?) about this war is that it is not over whose God is the right God. It is about what man is mentally ill. BUT religions are jealous. If you google Ukraine invasion and religion there are plenty of sites that claim the reason is really about trying to destroy Christianity but it is top secret. shh Q Anon is of course all Pro Putin and despise Ukraine as a fake country. Q Anon has gone international and is now banned in Ukraine. Hmmm. Muslim countries are split depending on who wants Russain support and the Hindu and Buddists are silent in their despair. What about Jews you ask? Russia has not been a friend to Jews for a very long time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 Mar 22 - 01:52 PM Sadly, Donuel, Ukraine is the spiritual home of the Cossacks and Jews have no reason to love them either. It does seem though that by electing a Jewish president Ukrainians have moved out of the dark ages. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 01 Mar 22 - 06:04 PM The fierceness of Cossacks have even reached my poor ears. I think the President was a comedian first and Jews make good comedy. My making light of The Ukraine war is like making terrorist jokes on 9-12. The tradgedies and atrocities are mounting up already |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Mar 22 - 08:20 PM "and Jews make good comedy." Not ideal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Mar 22 - 12:05 AM Sez you. In America it is commonly known that many of the most successful and nuanced comedians are Jewish. I really wish you would stop saying "no" any time Donuel says "yes." We're all tired of it. Try to do the adult thing and ignore him if you're unhappy with what he posts. We'd all be the richer for it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 02 Mar 22 - 07:44 AM I think Putin's plans were predicated on Trump dismantling NATO by now. That it did not happen once Biden was elected, we Americans who were against Trumpism all along have done our part to also protect European independance. Perhaps its a small part but its a democratic lynch pin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Mar 22 - 07:57 AM Maybe Donuel but when Trump did not follow Putin's orders, why did Putin go ahead anyway? I think this has been in the making a long time prior to Trump even dreaming about being president. There is one Russian demand that I could be convinced would be beneficial to all concerns. Remove American nuclear weapons from the whole of Europe. If anything good can come of this, maybe that will be it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 02 Mar 22 - 09:07 AM The map of Europe which has Nato coloured in is very different to the one from a few decades ago. It appears to show a relentless Nato advance, right up to the Russian border. That shouldn't be a problem, as Nato is ostensibly a defensive bloc, though he sees that "advance" as a provocation and as a broken promise (he'll see what he wants to see and he hasn't got people around him to tell him otherwise). A wise agreement between Nato and Putin would involve keeping each other's weaponry well away from their borders. And not pointing missiles at each other. And somebody needs to tell him that Ukraine will not be joining Nato either in his or in Biden's lifetime. We're dealing with a bloke who doesn't need much of a pretext and who has an evangelical desire to restore the Russian empire. We've made the big mistake of failing to sufficiently recognise that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 02 Mar 22 - 09:29 AM Removing nukes is a great idea but symbolic. I think Putin's plans go back to the fall of the Berlin Wall and Glasnost which was against his idea of empire and colonialism. An aside to Stilly: Steve and I regretably have conditioned responses. His expertise lies with the past and mine are with the future. Never the twain shall meet except in the fleeting now. In truth we agree on more than we disagree. The past can be corrupted or improved upon and future speculation can be wrong or changed. Its crazier than fluid dynamics and quantum mechanics. All in all things go better than expected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 02 Mar 22 - 11:26 AM Even if Putin released tactical nukes the damage would be less than the inexorable scourge of global warming. The UN released its research showing that all the previously unknown factors are accumulating to inflate the rapidity of a runaway warming event. Billions of people will be effected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 02 Mar 22 - 12:20 PM "Remove American nuclear weapons from the whole of Europe. If anything good can come of this, maybe that will be it." Absolutely. Way back in the early 80s I was delivering firewood (and, one one occasion, Mrs Steve) to the brave women of Greenham, marching with the missus and kids round US air bases (dressed up on one occasion as moles*), all to persuade the bloody yanks to get their baleful weaponry and their sweet arses out of our country. The last thing any country needs is to be made more vulnerable by dint of a bunch of armed foreigners squatting in their country who have wildly different interests to their own. *Our little lad, four years old at the time, managed to separate himself from us momentarily on one of the demos. We found him a couple of minutes later marching in step, right at the front of the marchers, with the Labour MP Ann Clwyd. He looked very solemn as he trotted along with her and she seemed very happy to have such hallowed company. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 04 Mar 22 - 06:09 AM The news gets worse every day. I can't help thinking that Putin is trying to provoke war with the west. It's hard to know what we can do as individuals. I hate giving to charities because I know that much of what I might give is sucked up by "administrative costs," but I don't know what else to do apart from sticking a Ukraine flag car sticker on my bumper. I know there are collection points round here for blankets, clothing, that sort of thing. Our DEC (Disasters Emergency Committee) is an amalgam of fifteen charities which currently has an appeal directed at giving aid to Ukrainian people. That'll have to do for me. The government is going to match the first £20 million raised pound for pound, and you can gift aid your donation. For example, £100 turns into £125. Annoyingly, paying online has been made as bureaucratic as possible. Name, address, full card details, declarations, etc, all have to be filled in. Generally, before making online payments for anything I look for the good ol' PayPal button. Not this time. I suppose there are alternative ways of giving. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 22 - 06:25 AM New laws in Russia can sentence a person to 15 years in prison for calling the mission in Ukraine as an invasion. MSNBC source. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 22 - 06:34 AM Disinformation about nuclear and cyber attacks are designed to keep the west off balance as the Russain invasion stumbles forwrd. Putin wants to win the war of fear among other wars. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 04 Mar 22 - 08:18 AM Here's to the Ukrainian farmers pinching abandoned russian military vehicles and joyriding!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 22 - 08:28 AM Ha ha. I guess the farmers know how to repair vehicles better than Russain troops. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 04 Mar 22 - 08:39 AM I can't think that there's much joy around in Ukraine at the moment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 22 - 08:53 AM The end game is supposed be a Stalingrad like siege of Kyiv to kill Ukrainians by starvation and thirst. Depending on logistics and old trucks, Russain troops may go hungry too. What if the Vatican supplied food by air drop like America did in the Soviet blockade of Berlin. The vatican is not NATO. The hacker group Annonymous has declared cyber war on Russian business, infrastructure and government. They used to attack the US but now they attack Russia??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 04 Mar 22 - 07:07 PM Our local branch of Morrisons is appealing for donations of all sorts of stuff that we can make in store, and Morrisons has promised to donate £250,000. That's the spirit. We'll be there first thing (ish)... We don't seem to have a local collection point for blankets, nappies and clothes at the moment but we're working on it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 04 Mar 22 - 08:04 PM From the Guardian: As the war in Ukraine intensifies, some US lawmakers are urging President Joe Biden to take a tougher stance against Russia, such as by suspending imports of its oil. The White House has ruled this out so far, fearing it might cause rising oil prices to go up even more and hurt US consumers stung by record inflation. Why, you poor dears. Or, should I say, you bastards. Sod the starving, the dying, the refugees, the homeless, the terrified. What's more bloody important than your oil prices (remind me: what do you pay for your petrol?) or your "record inflation"? You didn't start this war but, begod, you are in Russia's face in Europe with your military bases and your aggressive weaponry close to the border with Russia. You are in this mess with us, or, at least, you should be if your conscience allows. You need to stop relying on the fact that Ukraine is a long, long way from you. Time to step up, Yanks. Show, for once, that you care about the world beyond your borders. Or are you merely adhering to Trump's "America first...?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 22 - 08:29 PM I know many dislike the US but an opinion piece in the Guardian is not the final word during these fluid times. Meanwhile in Russia you can't use an ATM or credit cards. The Ukraine invasion is not the doing of the US or a lax response. The US is not respondsible for attacking the largest nuke plant in Europe which is located in Ukraine. If one stated 'fake' news about the Ukraine invasion inside Russia they face a 15 year prison sentence. I tend to think the party line is the fake news. In the US there is a bipartisan push for banning Russia oil and gas! I daresay that is more than parts of Europe's response. Sometimes being angry for anger's sake is unhelpful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 04 Mar 22 - 08:51 PM That was a report from a journalist, not an "opinion piece." Falling back on "everyone hates the yanks" is just tired and lazy. There is a big issue here, and it's that people like you and me (and it wouldn't matter even if it wasn't people like you and me....) are being slaughtered, driven from their homes and families, losing everything they have and spending their lives in fear and terror. Your bloody oil prices and inflation hardly count for anything in that scheme of things. To say the least, the piece I read about US self-interest trumping everything else made me want to throw up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 22 - 09:15 PM Please don't toss your crumpets. Since I am somehow respondsible for bloody oil prices and inflation that hardly counts for anything, lets just agree its Putin's War. However, I will not take any respondsibility for Putin's war. Perhaps you want me to enforce a no fly zone over Ukraine and shoot down Russain planes. We narrowly avoided a nuclear meltdown 10 times bigger than Chernobyl last night. Perhaps Putin wants to go nuclear but the US is determined to minimize that from happening. Total prevention is not possible without the US going toe to toe in nuclear poker of bluffing or going all in. Lets keep losses less than the dead from pandemic and be rational. Rationaly speaking I can not do a damn thing except protest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Mar 22 - 09:32 PM So do you think that ranting at people in the US who individually can't do anything about Russia invading Ukraine is helpful, Steve? Did you hear any one of us complain that we should keep getting Russian oil to be able to fill our tanks cheaply? No. Russia is responsible for this mess and short of starting WWIII many measures have been taken and sanctions put in place to force Putin to back down. I'm hearing of a few who are saying we should "give him an out, a way to save face." Nope. There should be no face-saving for Vladimir Putin, and if I have to help by donating to a fund so low-income drivers in my town can get help with gas, I will. I don't know what's going on with you but your posts are very unpleasant to read and are needlessly targeting particular members and moderation. And when that happens, they are deleted, even if part of the post had something to do with the topic. We don't operate by Steve's Rules here and your nagging just takes us away from the subject. Consider stepping back for a few days. Don't watch much news, go play a musical instrument, work in the garden, take a walk. Cook something. Do some kind of mental reset. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Jeri Date: 04 Mar 22 - 09:48 PM I suspect he's mostly talking to Don. They sort of have a thing. I'm retired and not wealthy, there's no public transportation here, I'm two miles away from a grocery store and ten miles away from my preferred one, and clothes and other things are 20 or more miles away, but I don't have to drive to work, and I wouldn't mind paying more for gas if we can stick it to Putin. I'm eventually going to have to pay more, anyway. Lindsey Graham, who I don't like at all, is in deep doo-doo for suggesting someone over there assassinate Putin. I don't think it's a bad idea, but it's not political to actually say it out loud. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Mar 22 - 10:09 PM Exactly. What you think and what comes out of your mouth are two different things entirely if you're a public figure. Facebook blocked a remark I put on one of your posts - community standards don't allow for the random observation "he should be shot." I didn't consider that the same as instructions to his cohorts to assassinate him, but I suppose the AI algorithms read it as that way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Mar 22 - 09:48 PM They're hanging on, but what a struggle. Russian missiles strike Ukrainian military range near Poland, killing dozens. Moscow promises further attacks. Putin is out of his effing mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Mar 22 - 09:54 PM Well, ten days later (who knows what might come back...), suggesting that he should be assassinated drags us right down to his level. We need to see him in court, then in jail. Whatever else, what we don't need is to see him come out of this still in power. That doesn't mean that that has to be the sine qua non before we end this war, as the key issue is to stop the slaughter. But afterwards, we have to get him, and sharpish. And I think we will. In the meantime, we must enforce a no-fly zone, and we must let him know in no uncertain terms that one boot on the ground, or one missile attack, in a NATO country means the end of him and the breakup of his state. That much do we owe to the brave people of Ukraine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Mar 22 - 10:08 PM Incidentally, Putin is most decidedly not out of his effing mind. That assumption is incredibly dangerous. He knows exactly what he's doing. The same has been said about Trump. But Trump, equally, is also not out of his mind. There's a very game chance that he will win the next election, and there's a very game chance that Putin will survive this horror and continue in power. The assumption that either of these men will not survive a setback is so incredibly complacent. The world is simply not spinning that way any more. In just over two years' time we could well have Trump in the White House and Putin in the Kremlin. Be very afraid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Mar 22 - 11:20 PM They are both sociopaths and are out of their minds as far as normal people operate. YMMV. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Senoufou Date: 14 Mar 22 - 04:12 AM There is a move afoot here in UK to encourage people with a spare room etc. to offer six months' shelter to refugees from Ukraine. There is a (small) sum given to cover any food/expenses etc. I'm somewhat tempted. (Since my husband left, there is quite a bit of space in my bungalow, and I'm rather lonely). However, there is no public transport in our village, and it is a bit remote, so I don't think it would be possible for the refugee/s to access paid work.. There might be language problems too. I speak quite a few languages, but Ukrainian isn't one of them! However, I did teach my husband to speak English using Phonics and flash cards etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Mar 22 - 05:08 AM Whatever we think of their mental state, the bottom-line issue is that they could both be in power in couple of years' time. And they both know exactly what they're doing. Putin is turning large areas of Ukraine into a wasteland and we rapidly have to decide how long we can allow him to continue to do that. The fact that Ukraine is not in Nato almost feels like a technicality as we watch the slaughter on our tellies. He will target the smaller Nato states on his border next if he thinks he's conquered Ukraine, and at the very least we should be massing overwhelming firepower on those borders. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Mar 22 - 07:00 AM The collection point in Bude for clothes, blankets, nappies, that sort of thing, has been overwhelmed by the generosity of local people. On Saturday we had a coffee-and-cake morning that raised £2000 in just over a couple of hours. Collection centres are telling us what items they need most and what isn't quite so useful. One thing I find a bit tacky is the offer of £350 per month to take in refugees. I don't think that most British people need that kind of "bribe." I suppose we could give the money to the victims for them to buy some clothes and toys for their kids. We've just given our Nectar points up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 14 Mar 22 - 07:10 AM Steve rolled a cold pickle jar down me back with his WW3 escalation talk. i'll blame it on frustration and outrage which I've heard elsewhere. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Mar 22 - 07:45 AM I am airing my opinions. If you have any, please air them. It's much nicer than indulging in not-so-cleverly-hidden ad hominem attacks. I read this morning that batteries of Patriot (defensive surface-to-air) missiles are lining up along various borders with Russia, coming from a number of European countries, Canada and the US. Putin may want to stop those from arriving (he can't without attacking Nato territory) and to stop the convoys carrying arms reinforcements through Poland into Ukraine, but he can't police the whole long border. Time to show our muscle. The more we do that, the less chance of his attacking a Nato country. One thing's for sure - sanctions won't stop him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 14 Mar 22 - 08:54 AM Having thought long and hard about this, I genuinely believe Putin has dropped the ball. He miscalculated the level of Ukrainian resistance and the reaction of the rest of the world. He needs to be kept wrong footed as the longer he tries and fails to take Ukraine the smaller his support base becomes. If NATO or the western powers begin direct conflict with his forces by, for instance, enforcing a no fly zone, he will start to regain support from both his own people and from countries who are currently wavering. I cannot see a no fly zone having any great effect on the bombarment of Ukraine civilians as, from what I see and hear, most of it is coming from artillery rather than the skies anyway. The best thing we can do, in my opinion, is to keep supporting Ukraine with both weapons of defence and a safe haven for anyone wishing to leave. It is a tragedy that so many have to die and the courage of Ukrainians fighting the invaders and of Russians standing against their oppresive regime is to be applauded and, wherever possible, assisted. Just my 2p of couse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Mar 22 - 10:47 AM The military base near the Polish border was hit by air strikes, Dave, killing 35 people, as have several cities in southern Ukraine. A residential building just outside Kiyv was hit by an air strike this morning. The reason that most attacks have so far been from the ground is that it's just the fringes of the country that have borne the brunt as Putin's military convoys have rolled in over the border. Not only that, daytime attacks are hazardous because of Ukraine's anti-aircraft munitions, but the days are getting longer and policing all those extra daylight hours will be a hard task. Putin's attack has stalled badly. He is nowhere near most of the west of the country, and air strikes will be his chosen way of doing damage there. We need a no-fly zone quickly, in m'humble. I'm glad that you and I, at least, can disagree without making stupid comments to each other! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 14 Mar 22 - 11:10 AM Hey, it's only my opinion anyway, Steve. Not worth getting hot under the collar. I am no expert on either diplomacy or warfare but I do know people quite well. There are very few react well to stupid comments or provocation. There are equally few who will have their minds changed by reason, particularly if their arguments are not based on logic anyway. And there are those who are purposely antagonistic that I only respond to with equal abuse or by ignoring them! Glad to say that there are not many of them left :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Mar 22 - 12:46 PM Simon Tisdall in the Guardian thinks the same as me: "The more Ukraine resists, the greater the danger to Nato. It should act now to stop the slaughter" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 14 Mar 22 - 01:38 PM My Dad's Dad never really knew if they lived in eastern Poland or western Russia as they put it. Between Hitler and Stalin the family was killed off leaving only 6 who escaped to Boston. At Ellis Island they were asked their name but grand dad responded in a yiddish euphemism which sounded like it ended in ahkem so the clerk wrote down Hackman. We don't know what the actual name was anymore. We do know the euphemism roughly translated was 'stop banging my head like a teapot'. My biodad was Gene Hackman's 1st cousin so we had Hackmans on both sides of the family. So my connection with now Ukraine is as tenuous as my connection with ancient Scotland and England. The English name was Black or Blagg depending on the accent. Putin will possibly end up with a divided Ukraine that mostly hates Russia and a few who love the Russian 1%. China will wisely take generations to take Hong Kong and Taiwan but with more harmony over time. Putin wants immediate violent results but he will suffer from his impatience and destruction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 14 Mar 22 - 03:02 PM My Dad was from the same area, Donuel - Bialystok in Poland, close to the border with Belarus. His Dad was from Krupotkin on the Kuban River, in Russia but close to both Ukraine and Georgia. His Mum was born in Bialystok but her Dad was a much decorated Officer of the Russian Tzar's army who met his wife while stationed in Poland! I was born David Polakow but my parents anglicised our surname when I was young. I grew up with true tales of both German Nazi and Russian Communist oppression. Little wonder I despise extremism and get very narked by the right wing factions on here when they accuse me of being a left wing extremist :-( I experienced a Russian troll on Faceache the other day. Said he was a history professor in Brazil and proceded to explain that because my family fled Soviet oppression in 1945 they must have been Nazis! I blocked him of course but had fun shredding his nonsense first :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 14 Mar 22 - 03:04 PM My Dad's mum was born in Bialystok that is. Not my Grandad'# Mum |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Mar 22 - 03:31 PM That's a myth that names were changed at Ellis Island, and the story tends to be told about the turn of the last century era. By the time of your family's transit here, as you tell it, Ellis wasn't processing immigrants or refugees, that stopped in 1924 when embassies took over that work and all of the documents were letter perfect and the shipping companies kept detailed manifest records. If the name was changed, your ancestors changed it. If people arrived by ship they disembarked with their proper papers, and if they arrived by plane the same at the airports. Only an official at either place to check documents. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Mar 22 - 06:10 PM Ukraine reportedly adopts Clearview AI to track Russian invaders The facial recognition technology has not been made available to Russia. On March 13, Reuters reported that the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine had adopted the firm's facial recognition engine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Mar 22 - 06:12 PM And this - they have a point: Cloudflare and Akamai refuse to pull services out of Russia Cloudflare claims if it shuts down operations in Russia, it would be a victory for the Russian government. Cloudflare and Akamai have each confirmed they will continue to operate in Russia, despite being urged to do otherwise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 14 Mar 22 - 06:57 PM Without more evidence if my family's name was a myth its one they all agreed upon. I only met all the survivors together just once in Boston and I was young. Although I didn't know why at the time I got the impression that blonde hair and blue eyes was unacceptable. They were not a tall people but skilled. Grandad was babe Ruth's collision mechanic and business was good. (hic) One of the sons born in the US owned the first super glue factory. The tour was smelly and dangerous. The classical station featured all Ukranian music all day. Cable news is 24/7 Ukraine war. There may come a day that Ukraine joins the long of countries torn by war. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Mar 22 - 07:01 PM Family stories are interesting, but if you ever watch Henry Louis Gates' Finding Your Roots, they're made to be debunked. And as an NPS interpretive historian at Ellis Island leading tours and answering questions, it was one we most frequently had to tell people was wrong. With all of the stuff people keep, there was never a shred of evidence that turned up saying "your new name is X." |
