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Lyr Discussion: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)

GUEST,Einar McCarthy 04 Mar 22 - 04:17 PM
GUEST 04 Mar 22 - 04:18 PM
Helen 15 Mar 22 - 10:22 PM
GUEST 16 Mar 22 - 01:25 PM
MaJoC the Filk 16 Mar 22 - 01:50 PM
Felipa 16 Mar 22 - 02:09 PM
Helen 16 Mar 22 - 03:17 PM
Helen 16 Mar 22 - 03:48 PM
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GUEST 16 Mar 22 - 06:32 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: GUEST,Einar McCarthy
Date: 04 Mar 22 - 04:17 PM

Can anybody help me to transcribe the lyrics to this song? I´m not an english native speacker and some sounds are impossible for me to recognize. This is what I´ve already done:

Twas late in the night when the squire came home
Inquiring for his lady
The servants all replied she`s gone
She's away with the Gypsy Davey
Raggle for the Gypsy, Gypsy,
Raggle for the Gypsy Dave

Saddle me me old gray mare for the borwn she is not speedy
I´ll ride all night, they ride all day,on and on for take my lady

So he rode all night, he rode all day, he overtook he´s lady
He rode all night, he rode all day, is he overtook the fayrlady?

Oh come back me dearest dear oh come back me honey
Oh come back me dearest dear And I´ll give you all of my money

I´ll not come back me dearest dear I´ll not come back me honey
I won´t come back me dearest dear for you and
all of your money

Oh take off the snow withe gloves those made of spanish leather
go take off the snow withe gloves and say farewell forever

So shes took of the snow white glovesthose made of spanish leather
oh she´s took of the snow withe glovesand said farewell forever

Last night he slept on a warm feather bed...
(????????????????????????????????????)
but the night time lied
in the cold cold ground
in the arms of me
Lovely gypsy oh


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 22 - 04:18 PM

A link to the song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luOAgo4zsaM


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: Helen
Date: 15 Mar 22 - 10:22 PM

Ok, here are the lyrics I found for the Steeleye Span version of this song, similar but not the same as the version by The Fureys:


Steeleye Span sing Black Jack Davy

Late last night when the squire came home
Enquiring for his lady,
Some denied and some replied,
“She's gone with the Black Jack Davy.”

“Go saddle to me the bonny brown steed
For the grey was never so speedy.
I'll ride all day and I'll ride all night
Till I catch that Black Jack Davy.”

Chorus (repeated after each verse):
He rode up hills and he rode down dales
Over many a wild high mountain,
And they did say that saw him go,
“Black Jack Davy he is hunting.”

He rode east and he rode west
All in the morning early
Until he spied his lady fair,
Cold and wet and weary.

“Why did you leave your house and land?
Why did you leave your baby?
Why did you leave your own wedded lord
To go with the Black Jack Davy?”

“What care I for your goose feather bed
With the sheets turned down so bravely?
Well I may sleep on the cold hard ground
Along with the Black Jack Davy.

“Then I'll kick off my high healed shoes
Made of the Spanish leather,
And I'll put on my lowland brogues
And skip it o'er the heather.”


There are a lot of other similar-but-not-the-same versions of the song on that page as performed by different artists.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Mar 22 - 01:25 PM

There were about 20 replies on this thread 10 days ago - where have they gone ?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Mar 22 - 01:50 PM

GUEST: The missing replies may be in the sump, waiting for someone (Max?) to fish them out again. There's been site-wide problems recently. Hope this helps.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: Felipa
Date: 16 Mar 22 - 02:09 PM

Twas late in the night when the squire came home
Inquiring for his lady
The servants all replied she`s gone
She's away with the Gypsy Davey

Raggle taggle gypsy, gypsy,
Raggle taggle Gypsy Davey

Saddle me me old gray mare for the brown she is not speedy
I´ll ride all night, I'll ride all day, till I overtake my lady

So he rode all night, he rode all day, he overtook he´s lady
He rode all night, he rode all day, till he overtook the fair lady

Oh come back, me dearest dear
Oh come back me honey
Oh come back me, dearest dear
And I´ll give you all of my money

I´ll not come back, me dearest dear
I´ll not come back, me honey
I'll not come back, me dearest dear
For you and all your money

Oh take off them snow-white gloves,
That's made of spanish leather
Go take off the snow-white gloves
And bid farewell forever

So she took off the snow-white gloves
That's made of the spanish leather
oh she took off them snow-white gloves,
And bid farewell forever

Last night I slept on a warm feather bed
With sheets and blanket all around
But the night time I'll lay on the cold cold ground
In the arms of me lovely gypsy oh

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Here is a version of the Gypsy Davy aka Raggle Taggle Gypsy, with lyrics in the notes below the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOoaNi4xvv0

Derek Ryan with lyrics on screen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WhifjRViZc

Planxty with lyrics on screen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOUfbTDbfAA


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: Helen
Date: 16 Mar 22 - 03:17 PM

One of the sites I looked at earlier in the month stated that there are over 120 versions of the song.

I was hoping that Joe Offer may have kept a copy of the final version we all worked out based on the version by The Fureys as posted by GUEST,Einar McCarthy. I suspect we might have to re-do our homework because the dog must have ate it all up. :-)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: Helen
Date: 16 Mar 22 - 03:48 PM

Ok, here it is according to how I hear it on the video, and with the suggestions I think I remembered from Joe. My suggestions have an asterix either side e.g. *Rattle*.

Verse 1:
Twas late in the night when the squire came home
Inquiring for his lady
The servants all replied she`s gone
She's away with the Gypsy Davey

Chorus:
*Rattle* for the Gypsy, Gypsy,
*Rattle* for the Gypsy Davey

[Note: I am fairly confident that the singer is pronouncing "rattle" and also in some of my searches the song title is referred to as "Rattle for the Gypsy". Also, my last posting on the thread before it went to data-heaven with the site-crash angels was that I am really not sure what the phrase "rattle for the Gypsy" means and that maybe because I am in Australia I am missing the context. Is it a term related to hunting perhaps?]

Verse 2:
Saddle me me old gray mare for the *brown* she is not speedy
I´ll ride all night, *and I'll* ride all day, and *I'll overtake my lady*

[Note: "me old gray mare" - in this instance "me" is the pronunciation of "my"]

Verse 3:
So he rode all night, he rode all day, he overtook *his* lady
He rode all night, he rode all day, *yes* he overtook the *fair* lady

Verse 4:
Oh come back me dearest dear *and it's* oh come back me honey
Oh come back me dearest dear And I´ll give you all of my money

Verse 5:
I´ll not come back me dearest dear I´ll not come back me honey
*I'll not* come back me dearest dear for you and
all of your money

Verse 6:
Oh take off the snow *white* gloves *that's* made of Spanish leather
Oh take off the snow white gloves and *bid* farewell forever

Verse 7:
So she's took off them snow white gloves that's made of the Spanish leather
oh she´s took off them snow white gloves and *bid* farewell forever

["them" in this context is a fairly common term in some areas meaning "those"]

Verse 8:
Last night *I* slept in a warm feather bed
*with the sheets and the blankets o'er me, oh
but the [at? or by?] night *I'm lying* [??}
in the cold cold ground
in the arms of me
Lovely Gypsy oh


{Note: "o'er" is "over" but pronounced "or" without the "v" sound.]

If these suggested changes seem ok I'll rewrite it without the asterixes etc for a clear copy.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: Helen
Date: 16 Mar 22 - 03:54 PM

*with the sheets and the blankets o'er me, oh*
[I forgot the asterix at the end of that line.]

but the [at? or by?] night *I'm lying* [??}
*on*? the cold cold ground

- not "in" which would mean she is dead. That line confused me when I first read it because she is saying she is happy and staying with the Gypsy, so why would she be dead unless her poor, unhappy husband shot her? But no, she's alive and happy.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Mar 22 - 06:32 PM

"tonight" - work it out for yerselves.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: Helen
Date: 17 Mar 22 - 12:48 AM

Thanks for your help, Guest.


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Subject: ADD: Gypsy Davey (from Furey Brothers)
From: Helen
Date: 17 Mar 22 - 01:50 PM

GYPSY DAVEY
As recorded by The Furey Brothers

'Twas late in the night when the squire came home inquiring for his lady.
The servants all replied she`s gone. She's away with the Gypsy Davey

Chorus:
Rattle for the Gypsy, Gypsy,
Rattle for the Gypsy Davey

Saddle me me old gray mare for the brown she is not speedy
I´ll ride all night, and I'll ride all day, and I'll overtake my lady

So he rode all night, he rode all day, he overtook his lady
He rode all night, he rode all day, yes he overtook the fair lady

Oh come back, me dearest dear, and it's oh come back me honey
Oh come back, me dearest dear, and I´ll give you all of my money

I´ll not come back, me dearest dear, I´ll not come back me honey
I'll not come back, me dearest dear, for you and all of your money

Oh take off the snow white gloves that's made of Spanish leather
Oh take off the snow white gloves and bid farewell forever

So she's took off them snow white gloves that's made of the Spanish leather
Oh she´s took off them snow white gloves and bid farewell forever

Last night I slept in a warm feather bed with the sheets and the blankets o'er me, oh
But tonight I'm lying on the cold, cold ground in the arms of me
Lovely Gypsy, oh



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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: Helen
Date: 29 Jul 22 - 05:33 AM

A friend from Ireland sent a few CD's out to our group of musical friends and the first tune I am listening to is The Two William Davises on an album called Harp to Heart by a harper called Kathleen Loughnane.

I realised that some parts of the tune remind me of the version of Gypsy Davey by The Furey Brothers.

The note under the video I linked to says:

"In some quarters Turlough O'Carolan is credited with composing this tune, while other sources reckon it's a much older tune & believe that Carolan just put words to this tune."

The liner notes to the tune in Kathleen Loughnane's album are:

"There are various versions of this tune carried in the aural tradition both here [in Ireland] and in Scotland. As an O'Carolan tune this is known as Planxty Davis, but it would seem that it was composed by his predecessor, harper-composer Thomas Connellan, from County Sligo. In Scotland, where Connellan spent some years, it is known as The Battle of Killeckrankie."

So, is it just for me that listening to The Two William Davises sounds similar to Gypsy Davey, or can other people hear it too? An enquiring mind - or maybe a mind which has lost its faculties - would really like your thoughts on this. :-)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Discussion: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Jul 22 - 05:54 PM

I tried all sorts of methods to try to retrieve the missing messages, but to no avail. Sorry.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Discussion: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: Helen
Date: 29 Jul 22 - 06:20 PM

That's all right, Joe. I think we retrieved most of the thread from wetware-memory. LOL


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Subject: RE: Lyr Discussion: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Jul 22 - 07:15 PM

I learned a lot in this recent crash. I was able to retried a lot of threads - but if a thread had been posted to before I got to the Google Cache, the cache was updated and the messages disappeared. Library of Congress and archive.org didn't have scans of Mudcat from just before the crash, so they couldn't help. But I got a lot from the Google Cache.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Discussion: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: Helen
Date: 29 Jul 22 - 08:20 PM

You're worth more money, Joe. Do you want me to tell Max that?

This was a fairly recent thread started not long before the Great Crash of '22 so I think we remembered a lot of it ourselves and re-posted it. Lucky!

[Lucky we don't suffer from short-term memory loss - so far.]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Discussion: Gypsy Davey (Furey Brothers)
From: Helen
Date: 03 Aug 22 - 05:38 PM

"Oh take off them snow white gloves"

Yep. Sounds right to me.


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