BS: Russian war crimes

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Apr 22 - 01:09 PM

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/07/russia-criminalizes-independent-war-reporting-anti-war-protests#

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Donuel
Date: 05 May 22 - 07:20 AM

The dozen Russain Generals killed by Ukraine is the result of the US sharing intelligence. US says the killing of Generals was not our intent but we know what the Russains are doing in detail.
(we obviously want Putin to know)

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 05 May 22 - 09:08 AM

Unless, of course, that's what Vlad wants us to think he knows .... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Donuel
Date: 08 May 22 - 04:11 PM

Paxton

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 22 - 05:01 PM

The first war crime trial of a Russaibn soldier began today.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 May 22 - 05:16 PM

It's wrong that Russia invaded Ukraine (as it was wrong for the U.S. to invade Vietnam, etc.), but it is also wrong to form "clubs" such as NATO - if any given nation is to be interfered with/protected, it should be via the United Nations, only.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: meself
Date: 13 May 22 - 08:18 PM

With Russia, China, the US, et al, having vetoes ... no problem there ....

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 May 22 - 11:40 AM

WAV, that's the lunatic fringe talking. You see how ineffective the UN is - you know what their first act was? To give Israel statehood. See how well that went? Palestinian refugee camps for the decades since Israel was given the imprimatur, continuing to treat the original landowners as second class citizens or worse. They live what they learned - in this case, they are really good at ghettos.

This thread isn't for fighting about Israel, but it also isn't for your brand of whataboutisms and moral equivalence.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 May 22 - 11:43 AM

I don't know if WAV is just naive about how well the UN do, if he is purposely winding people up or if he is just thick.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 May 22 - 12:08 PM

I took a couple of adjectives out of my remarks before posting. Thick is probably a polite version of my thoughts.

The trial starting now is of a 21-year-old who murdered a 62-year-old civilian.

It is alleged Shysimarin, a sergeant, had been fighting in the Sumy region in north-east Ukraine when he killed a civilian on 28 February in the village of Chupakhivka.

He is accused of shooting at a civilian car after his convoy of military vehicles had come under attack from Ukrainian forces. He then drove the car away with four other soldiers as he sought to flee Ukrainian fighters.

Shysimarin shot dead the unarmed man, who was on a bicycle and talking on his phone, after being ordered “to kill a civilian so he would not report them to Ukrainian defenders”, according to prosecutors. . . . Two other cases are likely to be heard in court within days including an in absentia trial of Mikhail Romanov, a Russian soldier accused of rape and murder. He is accused of breaking into a house in March in a village in the Brovarsky region near Kyiv, murdering a man and then repeatedly raping his wife while “threatening her and her underage child with violence and weapons”.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 May 22 - 02:39 PM

Agree that the U.N. must become more effective partly via, as I say, dissolving such clubs-of-nations as NATO, the E7, E.U, the Commonwealth, etc. Moving it out of the U.S.A. to England (which, for better or worse, is, of course, the home of the world's lingua franca, to use a bit of Italian) may also help...


If Jewish people had been given their own nation in Europe after WW2, the sad disrespect of Palestinian land rights that SRS mentions may not have occurred.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 May 22 - 05:39 PM

NATO, to be clear, is a defensive organisation. On the whole, it consists of western democracies who banded together to defend themselves against potential Soviet threats. NATO has failed to hold to its commitment to Russia that they would not expand towards the Russian border. However, it's hard to see how we could say no to countries close to Russia who feel vulnerable who ask to join, and the current situation, in my view, has exonerated us from that broken promise. In addition, even now the forces we've put close to the Russian border don't add up to a threat to invade or attack Russia. As a leftie I'm not a fan of NATO. But, as long as it keeps to its commitment to attack only if attacked first, I think I can live with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 May 22 - 05:44 PM

Now back to Russia.

It seems that evil Senator Mitch McConnell and some of his GOP senator buddies went secretly to Ukraine. If you look at the photo of McConnell with Zelenski, Prez Z doesn't look happy at all. He knows who let Trump get away with slowing down cash to Ukraine while Trump was in office playing his political games. And responsible for letting Russia think they could get away with this war on Ukraine. He was polite and professional, but very few smiles. CNN coverage has a video from the visit.

One wonders how or if the US is backing the process of trying war criminals if we're huge Ukraine supporters but not involved in the International Criminal Court. In theory, the ICC tries cases that aren't investigated and tried by their own countries. So the Ukraine trying Russians isn't an ICC thing but the Russians ignoring their generals and soldiers committing war crimes would be. I guess the reason the US didn't join is because 1) they intend to investigate their own war crimes (unless someone like Trump thinks it's all good) and 2) this way they can't be tried by the ICC. Russia isn't in it either.

Troubled times ahead on the legal front.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 May 22 - 07:13 PM

Er, there was plenty about Russia in my post, with respect.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 May 22 - 08:51 PM

We cross posted after WAV.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 22 - 06:02 AM

OK. Sorry! I didn't look at the posting times.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Donuel
Date: 16 May 22 - 10:13 AM

What war crimes? All is fair in love and war ... or if your country does something in war.
The holy grail bio war weapon like weaponizing the common cold seems to have killed millions. So whats the big deal in killing 500 million people in an accidental nuclear exchange. When an outcome is not a zero possibility, it will happen. Investing in 40,000 nuclear weapons is not zero.

Dresden, Hiroshima and Soviet Union will be the minor examples of the numbers of war casualties. We are all statistics now, waiting for when -

not if.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 May 22 - 06:57 PM

Today I heard a conversation about possible war crime trials at the Hague of Russians accused of rape and murder, so I guess they do have some clout in what is going on now. Or it is presumed that Russia won't investigate?

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 May 22 - 09:46 AM

Ukraine war: Russian soldier Vadim Shishimarin jailed for life over war crime
"Captured soldier Sgt Vadim Shishimarin was convicted of killing Oleksandr Shelipov, 62, in the north-eastern village of Chupakhivka on 28 February."

He admitted shooting Mr Shelipov but said he had been acting on orders and asked forgiveness of the man's widow.


Ukraine destruction: how the Guardian documented Russia’s use of illegal weapons

Cluster bombs, fléchettes and unguided missiles on residential areas: as prosecutors investigate alleged Russian war crimes in Ukraine, our reporters reveal the evidence they discovered on the ground

At about midnight on 1 March 2022, a Russian air force jet dropped a series of 250kg Soviet-era explosives over Borodyanka, north of Kyiv. They were powerful FAB-250 bombs, designed to hit military targets such as enemy fortifications and bunkers. There were no such structures, however, in this quiet town of 13,000 people.

Let's stick to discussing bunker busters, not breaking balls.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 22 - 11:53 AM

Zelensky said the russain assasination attempts on his life are ongoing like groundhog day.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 May 22 - 12:12 PM

I'm not surprised. What a terrible way to try to live and govern.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 May 22 - 12:49 PM

yes Putin is very unpleasant so is the USA, Biden will be fighting China next
Turkey invades syria, you are not outraged about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Donuel
Date: 28 May 22 - 05:04 PM

In a game of Empire of Thrones we are all exposed to propoganda and its effects.
Putin's face looks like he is on Pregnosone. Some suggest he is being treated for cancer. I think he just likes steroids.
Even the NYT is prone to propoganda. It is difficult to live up to democracy's ideals in America today but Biden is better than Trump

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 May 22 - 05:32 AM

Don't forget - in 1974 those bastard Turks did exactly the same to Cyprus as those bastard Russians are now doing to Ukraine.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 May 22 - 07:41 AM

In 1974 the Cyprus thang was just a little more complicated...

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 May 22 - 09:10 AM

Not for the people who were living in the now occupied territory - I work for one, work with one and occasional visitor to the office is one!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Russian war crimes
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 May 22 - 09:22 AM

I've been to Cyprus three times and I've stayed in both the north and south. There were, and are, rights and wrongs on both sides, and the recent history IS complicated. I'm not trying to exonerate Turkey, but the comparison with Russia's invasion of Ukraine is invidious.