BS: Johnny Depp lawsuit 2022

Subject: BS: Depp
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 05:57 PM

I've never seen his films, I don't know who he is, I know even less about the woman involved, and I have no desire to increase my knowledge. I'm appalled at the BBC for making his court case the number one item on tonight's news. They seem to me to be a pair of useless celebrity shits. Do correct me if I'm wrong. There's a terrible war in Ukraine, there are dreadful human rights abuses going on in China, there is an horrendous cost of living crisis in my own country. Yet someone has decided that the most urgent and vital thing we should hear about is a spat between two spoiled brats who have so much money that they have decided to make lawyers rich by airing their filthy linen in public. I mean, gimme strength...

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 06:13 PM

As far as I'm concerned, it's celebrity gossip and shouldn't be close to the number one spot.

I have seen one film starring Johnny Depp. That was Sleepy Hollow. I quite enjoyed that one.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 06:49 PM

She said ack, he said whoa, the jury said split decision and the fans went wild for Johnny who is normally drunk in and out of character.
I have a one of a kind memorobilia from his first film.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Helen
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 07:10 PM

It's about domestic violence - USA Department of Justice

It's a vital (literally: it affects people's lives) issue for many people, mostly women, but sometimes men.

Yes this is a defamation case. No, she never reported to police or authorities any alleged domestic violence during her marriage. No she doesn't have any concrete evidence that the domestic violence was inflicted on her. After the fact she decided to talk about her allegations in a newspaper. It may or may not have happened as she alleged. She may have perpetrated some of the violence or bad behaviour on him. Who knows the truth? Neither of them reported the alleged incidents at the time.

It doesn't take away from the vital importance of taking domestic violence and bullying and coercive control seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 07:16 PM

This is an actor who has ended up believing in his own publicity.
He goes around referring to himself as, amongst other things,
Captain Jack Sparrow.

That series of films -- Pirates of the Caribbean --
is what sent his career into a totally different orbit.
The first of the films was witty, and if I recall right,
for that one film Depp got a Best (Supporting??) Actor nomination at the Oscars.
Once Keira Knightley and Orlando Bloom dropped that series,
I stopped watching the sequels,
Geoffrey Rush or no Geoffrey Rush.

Before Depp's career blasted off into outer space,
he had a wife and children and was a tolerably happy man.
Then she divorced him I think, quietly and sadly.

No doubt, Ms. Heard will appeal.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 07:24 PM

What do you think she'll appeal?

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 07:29 PM

Helen, the jury didn't buy her claims or evidence.
Defamation is a normal reaction to baseless claims.
She is either a bad goldbricker or a secretly abused woman with no evidence or witnesses. The trial sort of defames them both. He gets 15 million from her and she gets 2 million from him?

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 07:31 PM

Oh, I get it now. The jury found they both defamed each other, with Depp winning more money than Heard. I'm guessing because he lost more money than she did (but I don't know). I figure most people wish they could sue them, or the media, for shoving other people's personal issues in our faces. Maybe a class action suit or something. (snark)

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 07:41 PM

thats funny. I'll be a friend of the court.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 07:49 PM

I'd have thought the right thing would have been either reject both claims, or accept both claims with a dollar damages each way.

Judge Judy would have thrown both of the cases out. And probably both of the
performers.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 07:58 PM

Well I'm so glad that some of you are so knowledgable about this. I'm equally glad that I'm completely ignorant about it. If it's truly about domestic violence, then I'd like to suggest that we should really see that through the lens of the hundreds, thousands, millions of abused women whose stories are so "boring" that they never make the ten o'clock news. Not through the lens of a pair of brats whose publicity-seeking will only increase their public profiles, to their undoubted future benefit...

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 08:22 PM

He was pretty good in Chocolat, but that was a minor role. Edward Scissorhands was pretty good, but it has been years since I saw it so don't ask me about the plot.

It sounds like they deserved each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 08:53 PM

I remember a friend talking about a couple we both knew, and saying so long as they stayed together, that was two other people saved from a disastrous partnership.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jun 22 - 09:39 PM

If I gave a rat's rectum I'd say something. I don't, so I shan't.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 10:43 AM

I enjoyed Depp's performance in "What's Eating Gilbert Grape".

Our news has the similar problem of airing celebrity nonsense instead of real news, and CBS earned my ire last week when in the midst of school shootings and war in Ukraine they had a significant segment where a female star opined about how motherhood had changed her life. Worse than the BBC IMO.

For the most part, the agonizing Depp/ Heard trial has been aired on Court TV, where it belongs. There are real issues involved, and it can get pretty 'down the rabbit hole' since it shows off the differences between UK law and US law regarding proving and deciding on defamation. I don't know how a jury decides between the countering testimony of two actors and competent representation. I couldn't imagine it as anything other than excruciating.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 10:59 AM

My complaint for years, when watching televison news, in particular the local feed, is that they would start with sport. Not. News.

I listen to public radio most of the time now and don't encounter that nonsense, sports or celebrity chatter.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: G-Force
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 11:14 AM

Here in the UK we're waiting with mounting excitement (not!) for the outcome of Vardy v. Rooney.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 01:34 PM

I echo Rhett Butler’s final words to Scarlett O’Hara in the greatest movie ever made.
Now those two could act.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: meself
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 02:45 PM

Trouble is ... things like this become news because they are "news" - i.e., once they receive a certain level of attention, that in itself makes them "news", whether they have any other import or not - and so then they receive more attention, which reinforces their "newsworthiness" ... etc. .... And, tbh, if you're watching news at least in part to be kept aware of what the issues and events are that the world is talking about, well, sadly, this is one of them .....

Btw, I heard in passing, on the news, that Heard had won some claim against Depp in a UK court - surprised it wasn't front-page news!

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 03:07 PM

I note that in the website of CNN the trial outcome was put under "entertainment".

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 04:52 PM

Excuse me, John. The greatest movie ever made, clearly, was Airplane!

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 04:59 PM

Nah Steve, American ‘humor’ (as the colonials insist on mis-spelling it) leaves me absolutely cold. Never saw or heard anything remotely funny coming out of the US. ‘Gone With The Wind’ takes it for me, but I wouldn’t try to deny you your own personal preference…

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 05:31 PM

Surely you can't be serious...

I am serious, and don't call me Shirley...

We've gotta get these people to a hospital...

What is it?

It's a big building with patients, but that isn't important right now...

Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue...

Boy trapped in refrigerator eats own foot...

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 07:39 PM

Steve, what happened? (Straight line from THAT movie.)

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 07:54 PM

I have to make the case, Jeri. I could give another dozen quotes. The spoiler is that I watch hardly any films, ever...

I think I might have watched Gone with the Wind decades ago. I can remember "I don't GIVE a damn." But that's it...

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 08:08 PM

Sorry, Steve. I figured all the other lines you wrote came from that movie, you'd understand. Of course, the reply begins "First, the dinosaurs came...". The lines are mostly "classics" so people know them, the same way they know "I don't give a damn". Collective consciousness.
I've never actually watched "Gone With the Wind" all the way through.

Depp's done a huge number of movies, and has received good reviews in most of them. I enjoy his acting, but the personal stuff is, IMO, better left being personal. Seems like people need to divide up and take sides, even though they really don't know anything . Story of almost everything these days.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 08:28 PM

I put that badly. Of COURSE you understand. You were just moving on. Which I should do.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 22 - 09:09 PM

Because I don't watch films much, I wouldn't know Johnny Depp from a bull's foot. If I was halfway through a film and someone said to me, Hey! That's Johnny Depp! I'd keep watching. We all have our flaws, after all, and his might well be not as bad as mine for all I know... On the other hand, I won't allow myself to experience a Richard Wagner opera, because I know in advance that his horrid flaw is something I can't live with (in other words, he crosses my subjective red line).

As it happens, Johnny Depp films don't seem to be up my alley anyway...

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Jun 22 - 12:08 AM

Is Shane McGowan up your alley, Steve? Because,
had you seen the documentary "Crock of Gold,"
(I haven't, myself)
you would have seen extensive footage of a conversation
between Shane McGowan and Johnny Depp.

They have been fast friends for a number of years.
Before McGowan reunited with the Pogues,
when he was recording solo or with the Popes,
he did a song titled "Victoria" and there was a video for the song.
Featuring Johnny Depp, dancing with Victoria Mary Clarke,
who is now McGowan's lawfully wedded wife.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 04:22 PM

Shane is definitely up my alley. Rainy Night in Soho...Summer in Siam...Pair of Brown Eyes...Fairytale...

It seems that Amber has come out of this badly, seemingly undeservedly...but I came to that possibly faulty conclusion after taking a brief and passing interest only...

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 05:57 PM

If we're talking films now, I'd put Paddington 2 above any of those mentioned so far.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jun 22 - 06:20 PM

My wife would agree with you, Kevin.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Mr Red
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 04:07 AM

No-one comes out of this smelling of roses.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 04:22 AM

But a nett 13 million bucks would buy a lot of roses.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Thompson
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 05:52 AM

I'd align this court case with things like the Roe vs Wade decision in the US recently.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 01:57 PM

I liked that he modelled Jack Sparrow on Keith Richards and then got Richards to play Sparrow's father. I like that he is currently playing on stage with Jeff Beck too.

He was good in Chocolat but I am not sure if he was supposed to be Django Reinhardt or not. I did watch Chocolat because the Dungeons and Dragons film I went to see had just finished though :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Helen
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 04:01 PM

I think he was good in Benny & Joon, and in What's Eating Gilbert Grape.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 04:50 PM

So we don't talk about Amber...Maybe we should...

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Helen
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 04:55 PM

Or we could talk about the social and health issue of domestic violence.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 06:41 PM

Well, there is more than one point of view regarding the lady.

Here's mine:
the stigmatization of mental illness.
Personal to me, as I am entering my third year of long-term residential psychiatric treatment for persistent depressive disorder. It's changing my financial status in a major way. And worth every darned cent.
If Amber Heard does indeed have a bona-fide diagnosis of borderline personality disorder, or something else, or what have you, stigmatizing her for it does nothing constructive in the long run, it's cheap and cruel and has consequences.
So, for heaven's sake, if she needs help, professional help, then she ought to have a right to get her mental health needs met, and everybody else ought to let her go ahead and do it without using her for target practice.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 10:32 AM

Johnney dropped 50K at a local Indian Restaurant in celebration of
another Amberless Monday last night.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: leeneia
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 10:53 AM

Hard to believe, Donuel. Even if each person ordered $50 worth of food and drink, he would have to fit 750 friends in the place. That's allowing for a generous tip and high tax.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 12:11 PM

It rather depends on what wine and champagne was being served.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 12:19 PM

I recall the champagne was a rose'. Undoubtedly the alcohol cost had to have exceeded the food. Of course local TV reporters don't have a high bar of fact checking.

I had two hot dogs with onions and a coke at home for $2.79.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 22 - 10:08 PM

He hired the whole restaurant for the evening. Still seems a lot though but with his sort of money I guess that doesn't matter

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 05:08 PM

As Yogi Berra said, It ain't over 'til it's over.

Latest rumo[u]rs on negotiation:

Amber Heard owes Johnny Depp $8 million,
she wants to appeal.

The negotiation says: if she agrees not to appeal,
then she won't have to pay the $8 million.

This came out on Wednesday on
Good Morning America with George Stephanopoulos.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 06:41 PM

Civil lawsuits are anything but.
Its trickier than chess.

Subject: RE: BS: Depp
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 02:20 PM

From the L. A. Times:

Amber Heard and her counsel, appeal the verdict.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnny Depp lawsuit 2022
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 04:40 PM

From what I read of the case, He (Depp) could have nicked a couple of lines from an Ed Sheeran song:
Last night you were in my room,
Now my bedsheets smell like pooh!"

Subject: RE: BS: Johnny Depp lawsuit 2022
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 09:58 AM

From the Associated Press:

attorneys approach court

Subject: RE: BS: Johnny Depp lawsuit 2022
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Jul 22 - 05:04 PM

The insurance company which insured Amber Heard recently
is now suing her, as it does not want to
pay what she owes to her ex-husband . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Johnny Depp lawsuit 2022
From: Helen
Date: 10 Jul 22 - 05:12 PM

I'm really surprised that Amber Heard has decided to appeal the decision because the only people who will win are her lawyers, whatever the court's final decision will be.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnny Depp lawsuit 2022
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 10 Jul 22 - 06:19 PM

Mebbe she's attempting to reduce the depth of the crater in her bank balance(s).

Subject: RE: BS: Johnny Depp lawsuit 2022
From: Helen
Date: 10 Jul 22 - 07:22 PM

Or deepen the crater while watching the lawyers laughing all the way to the bank.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnny Depp lawsuit 2022
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Jul 22 - 07:17 PM

Vanity Fair weighs in.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnny Depp lawsuit 2022
From: Helen
Date: 12 Jul 22 - 08:51 PM

Thanks keberoxu. Interesting!

Subject: RE: BS: Johnny Depp lawsuit 2022
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 09:39 AM

the amblin herd was suddenly spooked by lighting and thunder so Johnny depped into his saddle bag and held a snare that caught an amber colored cow. She was impressed and he thought it was love but push come to shove it became a lawsuit waitin t'happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnny Depp lawsuit 2022
From: Helen
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 05:44 PM

Judge rejects Amber Heard's request to set aside Johnny Depp's defamation win

Common sense prevails, perhaps?

Lawyers not laughing so much now.