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BS: July 4th

Donuel 04 Jul 22 - 11:56 AM
Stilly River Sage 04 Jul 22 - 12:09 PM
Steve Shaw 04 Jul 22 - 12:10 PM
Donuel 04 Jul 22 - 12:15 PM
Steve Shaw 04 Jul 22 - 01:13 PM
keberoxu 04 Jul 22 - 01:44 PM
Donuel 04 Jul 22 - 01:53 PM
Donuel 04 Jul 22 - 01:58 PM
Jeri 04 Jul 22 - 02:10 PM
Steve Shaw 04 Jul 22 - 02:57 PM
Donuel 04 Jul 22 - 02:59 PM
keberoxu 04 Jul 22 - 03:41 PM
Steve Shaw 04 Jul 22 - 04:34 PM
Nigel Parsons 04 Jul 22 - 05:00 PM
Stilly River Sage 04 Jul 22 - 05:32 PM
Steve Shaw 05 Jul 22 - 10:42 AM
Stilly River Sage 05 Jul 22 - 10:53 AM
Lighter 05 Jul 22 - 10:53 AM
Stilly River Sage 05 Jul 22 - 11:21 AM
Donuel 05 Jul 22 - 02:45 PM
Donuel 05 Jul 22 - 02:51 PM
Donuel 05 Jul 22 - 03:21 PM
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Subject: BS: July 4th
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 11:56 AM

Like it or not America is founded on a proposition like no other nation on Earth that; " all men are created equal and have the inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We are governed by the consent of the people."

The Supreme Court has recently broken the promise of 'consent of the people'. imo
In 1973 citizens were overwhelmingly proud to be American. Now its down to 38%, an all time low.

America has it ups and downs but we are driven by ideals and our proposition. One of the best star spangled banner performances


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 12:09 PM

Whitney Houston did an exemplary version of the anthem.

There are various iterations of "the mic cut out" videos where the audience finishes. This is one of them.

Here it happened in Canada.

More instances here. It always makes for a great story. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 12:10 PM

Well yes, all men are created equal. Except for slaves (Jefferson was a plantation owner) and Indians (he was a big fan of clearing out tribes in order to usurp the land for white settlers), oh, and women didn't get a mention either...

I suppose he was of his time....

It's all a bit like clinging on to the Second Amendment...which is also of its time...


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 12:15 PM

American exceptionalism is as evil as manifest destiny. It is possible that England would have been more kind to the Indians, then I think of India.


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 01:13 PM

Of course. But whataboutery does not diminish the evils.


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 01:44 PM

Ahem.
Wishing one and all
a HAPPY Fourth of July, wearying news notwithstanding.


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 01:53 PM

TS TOO BAD WE CAN'T EVEN HAVE A 4TH OF jULY PARADE. It provides cover for mass shooters. Chicago canceled its parade and fireworks after 5 are killed and dozens are shot by a mass shooter. Surrounding suburbs also cancel celebrations. Most communities have canceled celebrations due to cost increases in everything from fireworks to hot dog buns.


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 01:58 PM

I don't know about klingon 2nd ammendment but I imagine Steve is happier now.


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 02:10 PM

I'm at that weird place, where it feels like all anyone starts threads for is to bitch. Or they just need attention. Fuck negativity, that's what *I* say.

Don, stop trolling Steve. (insert winky face here)


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 02:57 PM

Thanks, Jeri. That's his second stupid insult of the day.


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 02:59 PM

I swear I started the 4th of July thread before the shooting turned it to shit. I believe Steve and I both enjoy disagreeing. After 22 years we're both still alive and kicking. We're both victims of circumstance :winky face:
I agree with Jeri only slightly more often.
I never say never, damn I just said never.


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 03:41 PM

Well, hardly ever . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 04:34 PM

I haven't been here for anything like 22 years and I'm not a victim of anything. Best to speak just for yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 05:00 PM

I haven't been here for 22 years either, I may have posted as a guest before getting a membership, but my first posting as myself was Feb 2002.

Anyway, Happy Independence Day.
Think I might watch a Will Smith film . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jul 22 - 05:32 PM

Independence Day is a big sprawling remake of the H.G. Wells story War of the Worlds that has had many iterations over the years. Men in Black would also be good over this holiday weekend.

The shooter is still "at large" in Chicago and things are shutting down. And the NRA will still be proclaiming that "people kill people, guns don't kill people." And "mental health" issues. Never just the plain foolish number of guns and the ease to get them.


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jul 22 - 10:42 AM

I think I heard this morning that there's been a mass shooting in the US every day this year. Still, it's not the guns...


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jul 22 - 10:53 AM

I read an article a couple of weeks ago (and I don't remember where) that looked at the history of Russia interfering in US election. They are apparently a big funder of the National Rifle Association (NRA). No surprise. Dark money is seeping into lots of campaign war chests.


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Lighter
Date: 05 Jul 22 - 10:53 AM

330,000,000 people, nearly 400,000,000 guns in private hands.

Even if the sale of assault-style rifles is again banned as it was in the '90s, there is no way short of a Constututional amendment to reduce the number of existing weapons. And no such amendment could pass Congress, nuch less be ratified by 3/4 of the states.

New laws may be able to reduce the rate of increase as the population increases and social media erodes sanity and society. But we'll never know by how much.

Mass shootings, moreover, cannot be stopped. When the madman is ready, the rifle will appear.


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jul 22 - 11:21 AM

Municipalities do gun buy-back programs every so often and take a few off the street. I imagine there would be a lot more of those in the future.


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jul 22 - 02:45 PM

There outta be an investigation.

Oops the NRA already passed a law to ban gun wound data.
Really. The NIH is not allowed that data.
Even the ATF is not allowed to computerize their data.

We're gonna have to take it like a man
or a first grader.


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jul 22 - 02:51 PM

from my cartoon memo book...

Remember when AR15s really were banned???

Guns are sold
Hands are shaken
Hearts go out

If guns were as erratic as people
they would miss

If Elon Musk made guns we would be dead by now

There is a question about the mental health of red Senators

Slippery slopes are dangerous
Guns are cool

RELAX' it was a legally purchased mass shooting

AR 15 Silencers for sale
in Congress

The Court sez Corporations are people, does that make the NRA and GOA people of interest?

Please observe a moment of silencers.

Come for the holiday mass shooting stay for the funeral snacks.

AMERICA'S GAME
take me out to the gun store
get me one maybe 2
buy me some ammo a couple stacks
then off to the park to start the attack
shoot, shoot shoot
its a gun thing
mental illness we'll blame
and its one more mass shooting here
its a US game


Teachem yung make 5 year olds shoot

People armed with information are dangerous
buy guns

Guns n Gore Ammo Store.

Guns and Butter:
All mass shooters ate butter. BAN BUTTER

All abortions start with sex, BAN SEX

Your kid was an honor student. ban AR 15s


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Subject: GUN CULTURE SAFETY TIPS
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jul 22 - 03:21 PM

Hide children; in bullet proof dumpsters not those plastic ones.
Wear body armor underflanks, helmet, neck guard and flack jacket.
walk with field medics
practice running fitness
Avoid holidays
Stay down low
Keep head down
Keep eyes open
Bring 1st aid


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jul 22 - 09:18 PM

There are 20 million AR 15s in private hands here. If only 1% have nihilist murder worshipping desires that is 200,000 mass shootings waiting to happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: July 4th
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 08:03 PM

The profile of the young male mass shooters share a 3 element matrix.
1 Awash in grandiose towering narcissism
2 Immense amount of insecurity and grievance
3 An adolescense that believes the world has not respected them or paid them their due.

The young alienated losers have an anger that builds up that the presence of an AR 15 is a shooting waiting to happen.

MSNBC


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