BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 06:03 AM

Posts from the last Trump thread have been moved over here to lighten the load on the Mudcat server, as suggested by Joe. If you wish to visit the first portion (now closed, but still in view, visit here. It seemed appropriate to start with that link to Doonesbury, an excellent source of political commentary in the US. ---mudelf

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Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau for March 27, 2022

Thanks Sandra, that's funny!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 06:37 AM

> Maybe he genuinely believes that it is not possible for him to lose

There's no "maybe" about it. He's a victim follower of Norman Vincent Peale: the constant repetition of keyphrases indices self-hypnosis. This really is a case of "if he says it often enough, he'll start to believe it himself".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 09:51 AM

Norman Vincent Peale yes, but also Roy Cohn. And Cohn was insidious in his persistent misbehavior and was a mentor to Trump. (He was a nasty piece of work, largely responsible for convicting the Rosenbergs, and then serving as counsel for Joe McCarthy.) And I bless Tony Kushner for his Angels in America and making Cohn a major character with enough of his bad behavior in view to educate a newer generation. Of course that was a couple of decades ago now - it's time for a revival to teach the newest voters about Trump's most important "influencer."

Subject: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 10:58 AM

Could any of our American friends explain to a dumb Englishman....?

1) Donald encouraged a mob to attack the White House and Democratic Process.
2) He has systematically lied, and every so often there is a news story about criminal behaviour - but he's never been arrested. Why?
3) A great political party seems to think he is the American citizen most fitted to lead and represent your country.
4) millions of Americans want to vote for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:03 AM

Al, there were millions of us Brits that believed a nicotine stained toad that leaving the EU would be good for us and that a posh blonde idiot was fit to lead our country. Let he who is without sin...

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: meself
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:33 AM

I don't know .... Used to be, when I'd see film footage of Hitler or Mussolini emoting at the podium to adoring crowds, I'd assume that there was something peculiar in the German and Italian cultures that made such obvious buffoons appear to be serious figures, and that no "Anglo-Saxon" society, to put it in that retrograde way, could be susceptible to such dangerous comedy. Then along came trump ... and Boris, I suppose, although beside his American counterpart, he almost appeared dignified, from the western shore of the pond, anyway ....

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:35 AM

Short of reading my 4,738 posts on Trump, I would say many people are under-educated, underachieving, criminally enthusiastic losers who feel that "he is one of us".

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:17 PM

I'd assume that there was something peculiar in the German and Italian cultures ......., and that no "Anglo-Saxon" society, to put it in that retrograde way, could be susceptible .....

The Angles and Saxons were from Germany before they had the sense to move to England.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:24 PM

I don't think the two are in any way comparable.

For one thing Boris has been cast out into the darkness, whereas Donal is knee deep in fan mail.
By and large Johnson was doing quite good moral things( like the furlough scheme) at a time Trump was suggesting injecting ourselves with disinfectant.

I mean theres bad, and theres outrageously bonkers.

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:26 PM

... and before anybody nit picks, I know it wasn't called England until a while after they arrived.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:28 PM

One thing that needs blowing right out of the water, Al: the Tory furlough scheme was no act of charity. The Tories had NO ALTERNATIVE but to bring it in. Any government of any colour would have had to do exactly the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:54 PM

Back when we were overwhelmed with UK political threads and started enforcing the one thread for all of that complaints came in about how many Trump threads were out there and I agreed that the cretin deserves no more than one thread. I have just moved Big AL's discussion into this thread, because no matter how laudable the discussion might start, it would soon deteriorate into the mess that is on the other thread.

Now that Trump has inserted himself into a political framework in hopes of heading off prosecutions that can be discussed here, along with anything else about him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 01:08 PM

I really don't think the furlough scheme would have occurred to a Thatcher government.

None of which matters a damn. The question on the table is, why the sane section of the American population allowed the rest of the world to be threatened by this man's re-emergence. He should be in a jail cell by now. This is the country where a guy got a life sentence for nicking a pizza.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 01:10 PM

NO new Trmp threads!

HOORAY!

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 02:21 PM

They have all grabbed power and airtime through populism, Al. Yes, there are degrees but do you imagine for one minute that Johnson, Farage or any of the other sociopaths out there would not have done the same as Trump (or even Putin!) if they thought it would extend their power?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 04:02 PM

If you want Dave, who knows?

I just can't understand how this has happened.
I mean, can't you remember the weeks when Jan 6th was the top news story in OUR country.

Many of his followers really do not believe in democratic process and openly talk of prosecuting anyone who opposes him. If no one is allowed to beat him in an election. We have another dictatorship like Russia and China and North Korea.

The two things twat Farage and Bumbling Boris are not in the same league of tragedy for the free world.
Might be an idea if America stopped sending us films and TV series about what a whizz bang law enforcement service you have over there, whilst this man openly schemes to steal your democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: meself
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 08:34 PM

"Might be an idea if America stopped sending us films and TV series ...." Might be an idea if Britain stopped ordering them ....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:22 AM

Whether or not they support Trump or break off in their own demented direction, the GOP has a slim majority in the House and will turn it into a circus for the next two years. Biden has seen them coming from a long way off.

Colorado's Lauren Boebert is in a race so close that there will be a recount - it would be nice to get rid that clown. Another jerk, Madison Cawthorn, has moved out of his congressional office two months before the end of the term. Is he still collecting a paycheck? He apparently often votes by proxy - having another member of congress cast his vote, so he's absent from the capitol. He lost his primary last spring so has been withdrawing from the congressional work for months.

By all accounts, when Trump first won he was surprised to win, and when he had to spend time in the White House he was unhappy with how old and relatively small it is, compared to his palatial residences. Melania refused to move in for months, and now that most of his family are "stepping back to spend time with their families," one wonders if Melania would refuse to participate in a campaign, should he get the nomination.

Subject: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp thr 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 11:43 AM

Joe has suggested that to keep Mudcat stable, reducing the number of very long threads is something I might do with this particular thread. So I'm moving the last couple of dozen posts to this new thread and then will close the old thread but link it for reference.

Trump Actions and Effects - part 1

This was the first post until I transferred some from the last thread - I'll leave it here for now as an explanation for what happened. And apologies to Big Al - I could have just switched over to his thread and closed the old one. But whatever - it is done, and his questions are in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:02 PM

You may want to do the same with the UK politics one?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:13 PM

I had that same thought. Later this afternoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 03:41 PM

In the couple of hours since I made this new thread, Merrick Garland has appointed Jack Smith special counsel to continue working with the various Trump investigations and COMPLETE the work. Not start from scratch, but to work with those who are already doing the job and move forward. Saves a lot of time. Trump, of course, calls this political theater. NPR reporting on today's events.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Nov 22 - 04:34 PM

Twitter-owner Elon Musk has reinstated Trump on Twitter. Was it really necessary to spend $44B to bring the Orange One back online? This seems to be where the whole episode has been heading.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Nov 22 - 07:59 AM

Trump has ignited a culture war on of all people Trans folk.

The gunman was taken down by the heroic patrons
Five were dead and dozens wounded by the crazy Satan
pulled down by his armor and beaten until he was still
Heros ended hell but red politicians had not the will
to grab the AR from the killer's twitching hands
That it took patron heroes is easy to understand
The crowd outside gathered and the ambulances came
To carry off the bodies of pawns lost in the game
Some stared in hatred, and others turned in pain
But everyone wished they could feel safe again
The veteran is now a hero but his daughter's friend was dead
We revisit these scenes every week and never get ahead
chorus:
Some blame the rhetoric and
others blame the heretic.
We want some heroes to make sense
and come to our defense
Every year we fall farther behind
as the blind are shooting the kind
It is time to open your eyes
and end the lies that deny.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Nov 22 - 11:23 AM

E. Jean Carroll is making use of a new law in NY State that went into effect yesterday, allowing victims of physical violence like rape to sue their attackers even decades after it happened. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jean-carroll-files-new-lawsuit-donald-trump-alleging/story. If there was ever anyone who deserved it to have people pile on regarding charges and lawsuits, Trump is it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Nov 22 - 11:02 AM

It is a race to see if the Democratic House (until January 2) can get their hands on the Trump tax returns and park them in places where the Kevin McCarthy gangsters can't immediately hide them from view. The Supreme Court didn't block the access, surprising with his appointees, but for now we will take what we can get.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Nov 22 - 11:54 AM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2022/11/27/trump-calls-kanye-west-seriously-troubled-man-in-latest-defense-of-dinner-with-west-and-white-supremacist-nick-fuentes/

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Nov 22 - 11:07 PM

Jewish Allies Call Trump’s Dinner With Antisemites a Breaking Point
Supporters who looked past the former president’s admirers in bigoted corners of the far right, and his own use of antisemitic tropes, now are drawing a line. “He legitimizes Jew hatred and Jew haters,” says one. “And this scares me.”

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Nov 22 - 09:50 AM

To follow up on Big Al's post:
"Could any of our American friends explain to a dumb Englishman....?

1) Donald encouraged a mob to attack the White House and Democratic Process.
2) He has systematically lied, and every so often there is a news story about criminal behaviour - but he's never been arrested. Why?
3) A great political party seems to think he is the American citizen most fitted to lead and represent your country.
4) millions of Americans want to vote for him. "

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The Republican party is now a loose coalition of antiabortion advocates, anti-immigration zealots, gun nuts, climate and holocaust deniers, fiscal conservatives, greedy corporations, Gerrymandering states and pure fascists..etc.. who don't necessarily 'like' Trump, but want stuff he seems willing to give them in order to retain power and stay out of jail. (He gave them a Supreme Court)
   Now, as Trump gets wackier by the day, they are trying to oh, so carefully, disassociate themselves from him as his troubles increase... but find someone(s) else to keep his 'spirit' alive.
   This leads to power struggles, crazy candidates, awkward alliances and the extreme polarization of the electorate we see these days. The 'United' States doesn't mean what it was supposed to.
   The recent election shows that the majority is still trying to avoid an autocracy, but it's not easy when ***STATE'S RIGHTS*** still allows some states to simply ignore certain parts of the Constitution and re-write voting laws.

So, Big Al.. Englishmen are not dumb... but they simply have a hard time comprehending why we don't DO SOMETHING! We have painted ourselves into a corner where our own democratic legal system can be used against that frustrated majority. It's kinda like Monty Python.."Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Nov 22 - 02:26 PM

On the computer I'm using this afternoon they don't have an ad blocker installed; when I clicked on this thread an ad for buying a Trump commemorative coin popped up. Gag.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Nov 22 - 03:50 AM

Acoording to the New Scientist in an article on "swarms" and group behaviour (Feb 1 - 2014 p49). It takes a quote from the publication "Science" vol 334, p1578 and says:

For better or worse, ignorance plays a significant role in the way democracies operate.

Sound familiar?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 11:28 AM

Today's January 6 Committee hearing meeting is coming up in a couple of hours. It will be largely symbolic as prosecution referrals go, but it means a whole lotta testimony, collected under oath, will be headed to the Justice Department now before the new Congress can suppress the work.

Trump's ass is grass. So to speak.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 03:27 PM

Trumps domestic policy leaves much to be desired,

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 03:49 PM

His domestic policy is simply "fleece the rubes".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 04:47 PM

Sounds like he could be in a spot of legal bother. Bring it on.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 11:45 PM

This might be what pushes him to decide to rejoin Twitter. An enabling event. Just as Musk is told that everyone on the planet wants him to step down and appoint a CEO for Twitter. What could happen?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Dec 22 - 09:34 PM

Mitch McConnell today told NBC News that he would actively work against any Trump candidates in the 2024 election. But even if he said it doesn't mean he'll do it. He just said it over again like he has, in more or less the same meaning, in the past.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Dec 22 - 02:27 PM

For 300 years the racial hatred in the US has been horrendous. Immigrants have faced quota systems that prevented their entry. America first referred to an anti immigration policy and isolationism.
Trumps knows his hateful base.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Dec 22 - 07:27 AM

Here comes the 2023 Trump candidacy.. for President.
Its going to get late early
Quote Yogi Beara

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Dec 22 - 11:21 PM

The Trump environment of no consequences for lying about important stuff has shifted, and is about to bite George Santos In The Ass.

George Santos Faces Federal and Local Investigations, and Public Dismay
Prosecutors said on Wednesday that they would examine Mr. Santos, who has admitted lying about his work and educational history during his campaign.

Dec. 28, 2022
Updated 11:14 p.m. ET
Federal and local prosecutors are investigating whether Representative-elect George Santos committed any crimes involving his finances and lies about his background on the campaign trail.

The federal investigation, which is being run by the U.S. attorney’s office in Brooklyn, is focused at least in part on his financial dealings, according to a person familiar with the matter. The investigation was said to be in its early stages.

In a separate inquiry, the Nassau County, N.Y., district attorney’s office said it was looking into the “numerous fabrications and inconsistencies associated with Congressman-elect Santos” during his successful 2022 campaign to represent parts of Long Island and Queens.

It was unclear how far the Nassau County inquiry had progressed, but the district attorney, Anne Donnelly, said in a statement that Mr. Santos’s fabrications “are nothing short of stunning.”

She added: “No one is above the law, and if a crime was committed in this county, we will prosecute it.”

A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment on Wednesday. The office’s interest in Mr. Santos was reported earlier by ABC News, and the Nassau County inquiry was first reported by Newsday.

Both investigations followed reporting in The New York Times that uncovered that Mr. Santos had made false claims about his educational and professional background, including whether he worked at Citigroup and Goldman Sachs. The Times also found that Mr. Santos had omitted key details about his business on required financial disclosures.

The statement by Ms. Donnelly, a Republican like Mr. Santos, added to the growing pressure on Mr. Santos, who was elected in November to represent northern Nassau County and northeast Queens in Congress beginning in January.

In interviews with several other media outlets on Monday, Mr. Santos confirmed some of the inaccuracies identified by The Times. He admitted that he had lied about graduating from Baruch College — he said he does not have a college degree — and that he had made misleading claims about working for Citigroup and Goldman Sachs.

Mr. Santos also acknowledged not having earned substantial income as a landlord, something he claimed as a credential during the campaign. In making his admissions, he has sought to explain his dishonesty as little more than routine résumé padding.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Dec 22 - 12:19 AM

And . . . once again, Trump was able to run out the clock.

Jan. 6 Committee Withdraws Its Subpoena of Trump
With the panel wrapping up its work in the final days before a new Congress, it has also pulled back its subpoenas for other witnesses.

The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol on Wednesday withdrew the subpoena it had issued to former President Donald J. Trump, conceding that the lawmakers had run out of time to obtain his documents or testimony.

The committee is set to dissolve on Jan. 3. It waited until October to issue a subpoena to Mr. Trump, who promptly sued the panel to try to block it.

The panel had directed Mr. Trump to produce an extensive list of documents and communications — including phone calls, texts, encrypted messages and emails — related to nearly every aspect of his effort to invalidate the 2020 election between Nov. 3, 2020, and Jan. 6, 2021. But Mr. Trump’s suit made it highly unlikely that he would ever testify, given the committee’s end date.

His ass is still grass. There are too many investigations, PLUS, the new head of the investigation for the DOJ can issue subpoenas. It isn't over for "Donal John," as one obnoxious Mudcatter used to fondly call him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Dec 22 - 09:50 AM

There isn't a paywall here so CNBC should have a link to Trump's taxes tomorrow when they're released at 9am Eastern time.

Here is the Senate Report summarizing his tax status. (A PDF)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Dec 22 - 12:00 PM

Trump Tax Returns Released by House Democrats
The publication of former President Donald J. Trump’s private tax documents comes amid questions about why the I.R.S. failed to fully audit him during his presidency.

New York Times, if you can open it the whole story should be there, with links.

The release came 10 days after Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee published two reports about Mr. Trump’s taxes as part of an inquiry into the Internal Revenue Service’s practice of conducting mandatory audits on presidents while they are in office. The reports found that the I.R.S. failed to audit Mr. Trump during the first two years of his presidency and did not begin the examination process until 2019, after House Democrats initiated oversight proceedings in an attempt to gain access to his tax records.

“Our findings turned out to be simple — I.R.S. did not begin their mandatory audit of the former president until I made my initial request,” Representative Richard E. Neal of Massachusetts, the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, said in a statement on Friday.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 22 - 04:21 PM

America has always had two sets of laws. One is written for certain races and the poor The other set of laws is unwritten and for the wealthy. The Constitution sometimes crosses that border between the two sets of laws. That's why Trump wants to destroy the Constitution.
By god if they try to use the Constitution against Trump what is this country coming to?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 31 Dec 22 - 06:12 AM

> America has always had two sets of laws.

So has England (I can't speak for the rest of the Untied Kingdom). It goes back a Long Way: "To them that have shall be given, and from them that have not shall be taken away even that which they have" appears several times in the Gospels.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Dec 22 - 09:15 AM

America has a set of laws regarding court cases and procedures that Trump and many rich people are able to game for themselves, at any rate.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Dec 22 - 03:02 PM

His goose is cooked in time for Christmas.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 06:17 AM

> His goose is cooked in time for Christmas.

But he insists on leaving it on the sideboard. He'll end up with cold turkey.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 01:57 PM

Once he's finally charged with something and he's knocked out of contention in future elections, they can stop worrying about all of these investigations, though I would like to see him sentenced to prison time, even if he receives probation.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 07:40 PM

New Years Eve party at Mar a Lago
"Former President Trump’s annual New Year’s Eve party at Mar-a-Lago was packed this year, with the guests reportedly including hundreds of the club’s members and Trump political allies.

Among the attendees were MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell and the former president’s onetime attorney Rudy Giuliani. Eric Trump and wife Lara were also in attendance, as well as Melania Trump, according to The Palm Beach Post. But several other family members appeared notably absent, including Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump."

Apparently he included a press opportunity but none of the cable news agencies attended. Poor widdle Donald.