BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 06:03 AM

Posts from the last Trump thread have been moved over here to lighten the load on the Mudcat server, as suggested by Joe. If you wish to visit the first portion (now closed, but still in view, visit here. It seemed appropriate to start with that link to Doonesbury, an excellent source of political commentary in the US. ---mudelf

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Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau for March 27, 2022

Thanks Sandra, that's funny!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 06:37 AM

> Maybe he genuinely believes that it is not possible for him to lose

There's no "maybe" about it. He's a victim follower of Norman Vincent Peale: the constant repetition of keyphrases indices self-hypnosis. This really is a case of "if he says it often enough, he'll start to believe it himself".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 09:51 AM

Norman Vincent Peale yes, but also Roy Cohn. And Cohn was insidious in his persistent misbehavior and was a mentor to Trump. (He was a nasty piece of work, largely responsible for convicting the Rosenbergs, and then serving as counsel for Joe McCarthy.) And I bless Tony Kushner for his Angels in America and making Cohn a major character with enough of his bad behavior in view to educate a newer generation. Of course that was a couple of decades ago now - it's time for a revival to teach the newest voters about Trump's most important "influencer."

Subject: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 10:58 AM

Could any of our American friends explain to a dumb Englishman....?

1) Donald encouraged a mob to attack the White House and Democratic Process.
2) He has systematically lied, and every so often there is a news story about criminal behaviour - but he's never been arrested. Why?
3) A great political party seems to think he is the American citizen most fitted to lead and represent your country.
4) millions of Americans want to vote for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:03 AM

Al, there were millions of us Brits that believed a nicotine stained toad that leaving the EU would be good for us and that a posh blonde idiot was fit to lead our country. Let he who is without sin...

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: meself
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:33 AM

I don't know .... Used to be, when I'd see film footage of Hitler or Mussolini emoting at the podium to adoring crowds, I'd assume that there was something peculiar in the German and Italian cultures that made such obvious buffoons appear to be serious figures, and that no "Anglo-Saxon" society, to put it in that retrograde way, could be susceptible to such dangerous comedy. Then along came trump ... and Boris, I suppose, although beside his American counterpart, he almost appeared dignified, from the western shore of the pond, anyway ....

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:35 AM

Short of reading my 4,738 posts on Trump, I would say many people are under-educated, underachieving, criminally enthusiastic losers who feel that "he is one of us".

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:17 PM

I'd assume that there was something peculiar in the German and Italian cultures ......., and that no "Anglo-Saxon" society, to put it in that retrograde way, could be susceptible .....

The Angles and Saxons were from Germany before they had the sense to move to England.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:24 PM

I don't think the two are in any way comparable.

For one thing Boris has been cast out into the darkness, whereas Donal is knee deep in fan mail.
By and large Johnson was doing quite good moral things( like the furlough scheme) at a time Trump was suggesting injecting ourselves with disinfectant.

I mean theres bad, and theres outrageously bonkers.

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:26 PM

... and before anybody nit picks, I know it wasn't called England until a while after they arrived.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:28 PM

One thing that needs blowing right out of the water, Al: the Tory furlough scheme was no act of charity. The Tories had NO ALTERNATIVE but to bring it in. Any government of any colour would have had to do exactly the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:54 PM

Back when we were overwhelmed with UK political threads and started enforcing the one thread for all of that complaints came in about how many Trump threads were out there and I agreed that the cretin deserves no more than one thread. I have just moved Big AL's discussion into this thread, because no matter how laudable the discussion might start, it would soon deteriorate into the mess that is on the other thread.

Now that Trump has inserted himself into a political framework in hopes of heading off prosecutions that can be discussed here, along with anything else about him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 01:08 PM

I really don't think the furlough scheme would have occurred to a Thatcher government.

None of which matters a damn. The question on the table is, why the sane section of the American population allowed the rest of the world to be threatened by this man's re-emergence. He should be in a jail cell by now. This is the country where a guy got a life sentence for nicking a pizza.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 01:10 PM

NO new Trmp threads!

HOORAY!

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 02:21 PM

They have all grabbed power and airtime through populism, Al. Yes, there are degrees but do you imagine for one minute that Johnson, Farage or any of the other sociopaths out there would not have done the same as Trump (or even Putin!) if they thought it would extend their power?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 04:02 PM

If you want Dave, who knows?

I just can't understand how this has happened.
I mean, can't you remember the weeks when Jan 6th was the top news story in OUR country.

Many of his followers really do not believe in democratic process and openly talk of prosecuting anyone who opposes him. If no one is allowed to beat him in an election. We have another dictatorship like Russia and China and North Korea.

The two things twat Farage and Bumbling Boris are not in the same league of tragedy for the free world.
Might be an idea if America stopped sending us films and TV series about what a whizz bang law enforcement service you have over there, whilst this man openly schemes to steal your democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: meself
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 08:34 PM

"Might be an idea if America stopped sending us films and TV series ...." Might be an idea if Britain stopped ordering them ....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:22 AM

Whether or not they support Trump or break off in their own demented direction, the GOP has a slim majority in the House and will turn it into a circus for the next two years. Biden has seen them coming from a long way off.

Colorado's Lauren Boebert is in a race so close that there will be a recount - it would be nice to get rid that clown. Another jerk, Madison Cawthorn, has moved out of his congressional office two months before the end of the term. Is he still collecting a paycheck? He apparently often votes by proxy - having another member of congress cast his vote, so he's absent from the capitol. He lost his primary last spring so has been withdrawing from the congressional work for months.

By all accounts, when Trump first won he was surprised to win, and when he had to spend time in the White House he was unhappy with how old and relatively small it is, compared to his palatial residences. Melania refused to move in for months, and now that most of his family are "stepping back to spend time with their families," one wonders if Melania would refuse to participate in a campaign, should he get the nomination.

Subject: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp thr 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 11:43 AM

Joe has suggested that to keep Mudcat stable, reducing the number of very long threads is something I might do with this particular thread. So I'm moving the last couple of dozen posts to this new thread and then will close the old thread but link it for reference.

Trump Actions and Effects - part 1

This was the first post until I transferred some from the last thread - I'll leave it here for now as an explanation for what happened. And apologies to Big Al - I could have just switched over to his thread and closed the old one. But whatever - it is done, and his questions are in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:02 PM

You may want to do the same with the UK politics one?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:13 PM

I had that same thought. Later this afternoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 03:41 PM

In the couple of hours since I made this new thread, Merrick Garland has appointed Jack Smith special counsel to continue working with the various Trump investigations and COMPLETE the work. Not start from scratch, but to work with those who are already doing the job and move forward. Saves a lot of time. Trump, of course, calls this political theater. NPR reporting on today's events.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Nov 22 - 04:34 PM

Twitter-owner Elon Musk has reinstated Trump on Twitter. Was it really necessary to spend $44B to bring the Orange One back online? This seems to be where the whole episode has been heading.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Nov 22 - 07:59 AM

Trump has ignited a culture war on of all people Trans folk.

The gunman was taken down by the heroic patrons
Five were dead and dozens wounded by the crazy Satan
pulled down by his armor and beaten until he was still
Heros ended hell but red politicians had not the will
to grab the AR from the killer's twitching hands
That it took patron heroes is easy to understand
The crowd outside gathered and the ambulances came
To carry off the bodies of pawns lost in the game
Some stared in hatred, and others turned in pain
But everyone wished they could feel safe again
The veteran is now a hero but his daughter's friend was dead
We revisit these scenes every week and never get ahead
chorus:
Some blame the rhetoric and
others blame the heretic.
We want some heroes to make sense
and come to our defense
Every year we fall farther behind
as the blind are shooting the kind
It is time to open your eyes
and end the lies that deny.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Nov 22 - 11:23 AM

E. Jean Carroll is making use of a new law in NY State that went into effect yesterday, allowing victims of physical violence like rape to sue their attackers even decades after it happened. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jean-carroll-files-new-lawsuit-donald-trump-alleging/story. If there was ever anyone who deserved it to have people pile on regarding charges and lawsuits, Trump is it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Nov 22 - 11:02 AM

It is a race to see if the Democratic House (until January 2) can get their hands on the Trump tax returns and park them in places where the Kevin McCarthy gangsters can't immediately hide them from view. The Supreme Court didn't block the access, surprising with his appointees, but for now we will take what we can get.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Nov 22 - 11:54 AM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2022/11/27/trump-calls-kanye-west-seriously-troubled-man-in-latest-defense-of-dinner-with-west-and-white-supremacist-nick-fuentes/

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Nov 22 - 11:07 PM

Jewish Allies Call Trump’s Dinner With Antisemites a Breaking Point
Supporters who looked past the former president’s admirers in bigoted corners of the far right, and his own use of antisemitic tropes, now are drawing a line. “He legitimizes Jew hatred and Jew haters,” says one. “And this scares me.”

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Nov 22 - 09:50 AM

To follow up on Big Al's post:
"Could any of our American friends explain to a dumb Englishman....?

1) Donald encouraged a mob to attack the White House and Democratic Process.
2) He has systematically lied, and every so often there is a news story about criminal behaviour - but he's never been arrested. Why?
3) A great political party seems to think he is the American citizen most fitted to lead and represent your country.
4) millions of Americans want to vote for him. "

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The Republican party is now a loose coalition of antiabortion advocates, anti-immigration zealots, gun nuts, climate and holocaust deniers, fiscal conservatives, greedy corporations, Gerrymandering states and pure fascists..etc.. who don't necessarily 'like' Trump, but want stuff he seems willing to give them in order to retain power and stay out of jail. (He gave them a Supreme Court)
   Now, as Trump gets wackier by the day, they are trying to oh, so carefully, disassociate themselves from him as his troubles increase... but find someone(s) else to keep his 'spirit' alive.
   This leads to power struggles, crazy candidates, awkward alliances and the extreme polarization of the electorate we see these days. The 'United' States doesn't mean what it was supposed to.
   The recent election shows that the majority is still trying to avoid an autocracy, but it's not easy when ***STATE'S RIGHTS*** still allows some states to simply ignore certain parts of the Constitution and re-write voting laws.

So, Big Al.. Englishmen are not dumb... but they simply have a hard time comprehending why we don't DO SOMETHING! We have painted ourselves into a corner where our own democratic legal system can be used against that frustrated majority. It's kinda like Monty Python.."Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Nov 22 - 02:26 PM

On the computer I'm using this afternoon they don't have an ad blocker installed; when I clicked on this thread an ad for buying a Trump commemorative coin popped up. Gag.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Nov 22 - 03:50 AM

Acoording to the New Scientist in an article on "swarms" and group behaviour (Feb 1 - 2014 p49). It takes a quote from the publication "Science" vol 334, p1578 and says:

For better or worse, ignorance plays a significant role in the way democracies operate.

Sound familiar?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 11:28 AM

Today's January 6 Committee hearing meeting is coming up in a couple of hours. It will be largely symbolic as prosecution referrals go, but it means a whole lotta testimony, collected under oath, will be headed to the Justice Department now before the new Congress can suppress the work.

Trump's ass is grass. So to speak.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 03:27 PM

Trumps domestic policy leaves much to be desired,

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 03:49 PM

His domestic policy is simply "fleece the rubes".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 04:47 PM

Sounds like he could be in a spot of legal bother. Bring it on.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 11:45 PM

This might be what pushes him to decide to rejoin Twitter. An enabling event. Just as Musk is told that everyone on the planet wants him to step down and appoint a CEO for Twitter. What could happen?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Dec 22 - 09:34 PM

Mitch McConnell today told NBC News that he would actively work against any Trump candidates in the 2024 election. But even if he said it doesn't mean he'll do it. He just said it over again like he has, in more or less the same meaning, in the past.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Dec 22 - 02:27 PM

For 300 years the racial hatred in the US has been horrendous. Immigrants have faced quota systems that prevented their entry. America first referred to an anti immigration policy and isolationism.
Trumps knows his hateful base.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Dec 22 - 07:27 AM

Here comes the 2023 Trump candidacy.. for President.
Its going to get late early
Quote Yogi Beara

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Dec 22 - 11:21 PM

The Trump environment of no consequences for lying about important stuff has shifted, and is about to bite George Santos In The Ass.

George Santos Faces Federal and Local Investigations, and Public Dismay
Prosecutors said on Wednesday that they would examine Mr. Santos, who has admitted lying about his work and educational history during his campaign.

Dec. 28, 2022
Updated 11:14 p.m. ET
Federal and local prosecutors are investigating whether Representative-elect George Santos committed any crimes involving his finances and lies about his background on the campaign trail.

The federal investigation, which is being run by the U.S. attorney’s office in Brooklyn, is focused at least in part on his financial dealings, according to a person familiar with the matter. The investigation was said to be in its early stages.

In a separate inquiry, the Nassau County, N.Y., district attorney’s office said it was looking into the “numerous fabrications and inconsistencies associated with Congressman-elect Santos” during his successful 2022 campaign to represent parts of Long Island and Queens.

It was unclear how far the Nassau County inquiry had progressed, but the district attorney, Anne Donnelly, said in a statement that Mr. Santos’s fabrications “are nothing short of stunning.”

She added: “No one is above the law, and if a crime was committed in this county, we will prosecute it.”

A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment on Wednesday. The office’s interest in Mr. Santos was reported earlier by ABC News, and the Nassau County inquiry was first reported by Newsday.

Both investigations followed reporting in The New York Times that uncovered that Mr. Santos had made false claims about his educational and professional background, including whether he worked at Citigroup and Goldman Sachs. The Times also found that Mr. Santos had omitted key details about his business on required financial disclosures.

The statement by Ms. Donnelly, a Republican like Mr. Santos, added to the growing pressure on Mr. Santos, who was elected in November to represent northern Nassau County and northeast Queens in Congress beginning in January.

In interviews with several other media outlets on Monday, Mr. Santos confirmed some of the inaccuracies identified by The Times. He admitted that he had lied about graduating from Baruch College — he said he does not have a college degree — and that he had made misleading claims about working for Citigroup and Goldman Sachs.

Mr. Santos also acknowledged not having earned substantial income as a landlord, something he claimed as a credential during the campaign. In making his admissions, he has sought to explain his dishonesty as little more than routine résumé padding.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Dec 22 - 12:19 AM

And . . . once again, Trump was able to run out the clock.

Jan. 6 Committee Withdraws Its Subpoena of Trump
With the panel wrapping up its work in the final days before a new Congress, it has also pulled back its subpoenas for other witnesses.

The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol on Wednesday withdrew the subpoena it had issued to former President Donald J. Trump, conceding that the lawmakers had run out of time to obtain his documents or testimony.

The committee is set to dissolve on Jan. 3. It waited until October to issue a subpoena to Mr. Trump, who promptly sued the panel to try to block it.

The panel had directed Mr. Trump to produce an extensive list of documents and communications — including phone calls, texts, encrypted messages and emails — related to nearly every aspect of his effort to invalidate the 2020 election between Nov. 3, 2020, and Jan. 6, 2021. But Mr. Trump’s suit made it highly unlikely that he would ever testify, given the committee’s end date.

His ass is still grass. There are too many investigations, PLUS, the new head of the investigation for the DOJ can issue subpoenas. It isn't over for "Donal John," as one obnoxious Mudcatter used to fondly call him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Dec 22 - 09:50 AM

There isn't a paywall here so CNBC should have a link to Trump's taxes tomorrow when they're released at 9am Eastern time.

Here is the Senate Report summarizing his tax status. (A PDF)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Dec 22 - 12:00 PM

Trump Tax Returns Released by House Democrats
The publication of former President Donald J. Trump’s private tax documents comes amid questions about why the I.R.S. failed to fully audit him during his presidency.

New York Times, if you can open it the whole story should be there, with links.

The release came 10 days after Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee published two reports about Mr. Trump’s taxes as part of an inquiry into the Internal Revenue Service’s practice of conducting mandatory audits on presidents while they are in office. The reports found that the I.R.S. failed to audit Mr. Trump during the first two years of his presidency and did not begin the examination process until 2019, after House Democrats initiated oversight proceedings in an attempt to gain access to his tax records.

“Our findings turned out to be simple — I.R.S. did not begin their mandatory audit of the former president until I made my initial request,” Representative Richard E. Neal of Massachusetts, the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, said in a statement on Friday.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 22 - 04:21 PM

America has always had two sets of laws. One is written for certain races and the poor The other set of laws is unwritten and for the wealthy. The Constitution sometimes crosses that border between the two sets of laws. That's why Trump wants to destroy the Constitution.
By god if they try to use the Constitution against Trump what is this country coming to?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 31 Dec 22 - 06:12 AM

> America has always had two sets of laws.

So has England (I can't speak for the rest of the Untied Kingdom). It goes back a Long Way: "To them that have shall be given, and from them that have not shall be taken away even that which they have" appears several times in the Gospels.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Dec 22 - 09:15 AM

America has a set of laws regarding court cases and procedures that Trump and many rich people are able to game for themselves, at any rate.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Dec 22 - 03:02 PM

His goose is cooked in time for Christmas.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 06:17 AM

> His goose is cooked in time for Christmas.

But he insists on leaving it on the sideboard. He'll end up with cold turkey.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 01:57 PM

Once he's finally charged with something and he's knocked out of contention in future elections, they can stop worrying about all of these investigations, though I would like to see him sentenced to prison time, even if he receives probation.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 07:40 PM

New Years Eve party at Mar a Lago
"Former President Trump’s annual New Year’s Eve party at Mar-a-Lago was packed this year, with the guests reportedly including hundreds of the club’s members and Trump political allies.

Among the attendees were MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell and the former president’s onetime attorney Rudy Giuliani. Eric Trump and wife Lara were also in attendance, as well as Melania Trump, according to The Palm Beach Post. But several other family members appeared notably absent, including Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump."

Apparently he included a press opportunity but none of the cable news agencies attended. Poor widdle Donald.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 07:54 PM

did he really invite fake news media, or are they all Truth(full) media?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 11:39 PM

I didn't delve deeply into that, just glanced through a Yahoo blurb about a press opportunity that the networks ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 12:51 AM

only the fake news media would ignore him ....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 02:08 AM

There is a fine old Americanism which may have outlived most American minds by now:

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." This is kind of sad because it displays an implicit self confidence that the average American was competent to parse reality with enough success to figure it out.

This is why I was so depressed by the performance of many Americqans in the 2016 election. And here SIX YEARS LATER the supposedly canny citizens of New York prove themselves PDS (PrettyDamnSusceptible) to the mouthings of a guy in a relatively clean brown suit who practises a little resume inflation.

Unless he actually stole enough money to arouse the cupidity of his co-sponsers, he falls into that democratic basin of a-legality that allows votes to supplement good order, law and morality.

This is something that Trump has not led us to, but has shown us as in a mirror of shame and stupidity.
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 05:02 AM

its one of those anomalies.
during the war, apparently you were lucky if you could get 10 woodbines - yet there was Churchill with an inexhaustible supply of Cuban cigars. Apparently some people did resent that, but not the majority.

Now we have Trump who doesn't pay any tax, though most people do.
Apparently some people do resent that, but not the majority.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 10:41 AM

Trump pushes for tri-partisanship and then rule by Royalty.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 10:49 AM

From Grammarist:

The saying, Fool Me Once, Shame on You; Fool Me Twice, Shame on Me was first used in 1650 by politician Anthony Weldon. It’s a witty way to say that you should learn from someone’s tricks on you. If you don’t, you’re the only one to blame.

Weldon was an English 17th Century courtier and politician.

I looked it up. That's one of those quotes that could as easily be attributed to Mark Twain (who may also have said it, or something more clever along those lines.)

That Long Island con man has operated under the national radar until now. Chances are he doesn't have the personal fortune to play the same massive shell game that Trump has managed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jan 23 - 01:05 PM

Electoral Count Act reforms are a resounding victory for bipartisanship and democracy

A quick read, showing that bi-partisan cooperation is still possible. And Trump's tactic is now impossible to pull off (his alternative electors plot).

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 05:10 AM

I was alarmed to hear today that half of all Americans believe that there was fraud (along the lines of the Trump allegations) during the last election, and that about 20% think that the Jan 6 attack was in some way justified. These numbers are increasing, the latter having doubled.

Putting Trump behind bars may mean he can't become president, but it doesn't mean he can't become a martyr.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 11:41 AM

I've heard the reverse, that those numbers of true believers are decreasing.

It would be nice if they could drive the Congressional January 6 participants out of office, that would be one way to take the Speaker's gavel away from McCarthy. There are more than four of them, the current lead the GOP has. Enablers, line-straddlers and quiet resisters: How GOP lawmakers contributed to Jan. 6

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 12:17 PM

I can't remember where I saw that now, but a quick trawl found this bunch of bullet points in the Daily Mail (I definitely didn't first read it there!). Apparently, the figures were obtained in a YouGov poll of 1500 Americans. Hmm. Daily Mail...YouGov... *gulp*

-Americans by a wide margin disapprove of the pro-Trump attack on the Capitol
-But the number of people who endorse it has grown these past two years
-The share of approving Americans has risen from 9 to 20 percent
-Startlingly, the biggest shift in opinion has been among Democrats
-The share of approving Democrats has risen from 3 to 16 percent

Details, if you really want them, in the Mail if you google "Support for the January 6 attack on the US Capitol has more than doubled..."

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 01:28 PM

Dark money is supporting a lot of the members of the insurgency, I read that this morning. Trying to turn them into "patriots."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 11:36 AM

The MAGA folks in the GOP now intend to defund, one agency or individual at a time, anyone they don't like.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 01:54 PM

In two weeks it will be revealed if Trump is to be indicted in Georgia.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 04:06 PM

Should that be on the precognition thread?

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 04:23 PM

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 04:54 PM

It's unfortunate, but probably not unusual, that when Biden's attorneys were clearing out an office he used at a U of Pennsylvania think tank where he spent some time as vice president, they found a few classified documents. They notified the National Archives immediately and they were retrieved from their locked closet the next day. Unfortunate because Trump is going to try to use it for all he can to suggest that he should be able to keep the documents he had OR that Biden should be charged, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 06:10 PM

I just read another headline about another ancient stash of classified papers, but I haven't read the article. It could be that when the Trump thing happened everyone was told "go check your own papers and lets get this all cleared up." The fact that Trump tried all sorts of prevarication and resistance to returning papers the Archives knew he had means he committed a crime where other omissions of returning may be just an oversight. Makes it harder for the AG to make a case, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jan 23 - 09:30 PM

While at the gym today one of the televisions over the equipment was tuned to FAUX News. I couldn't hear it, thank dog, but the whole time the chiaron ran about Hunter Biden and Biden's stashed top secret documents. There isn't a story there, but they'll make it into one if they can.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 06:06 AM

For the life of me I can't understand why Biden didn't sneak those papers out of the way as soon as the Trump documents outrage came to light. Tsk.

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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 08:11 AM

Probably forgot he had them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 08:55 AM

In Bizzaro world there may exist anti-plumbers who plant documents and don't steal them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 10:33 AM

That's an armed-forces tiger-team tactic, Donuel: leave a note reading "Your code books have been stolen" on top of the code books in your secure safe. Successful penetrations are promptly followed by snap site inspections, and the fan changes colour abruptly.

In this case, however, methinks Hanlon's Razor is more likely to apply IRL.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 10:59 AM

If you're a rational, prudent person and your predecessor is charged with holding onto top secret papers and refusing to return them, it should occur to you, if I'd been in a place where those documents came your way, to check your own files and see if any got left behind. It sounds like this is what happened.

If Bush or Carter or Clinton or anyone else has old documents like this they returned them quietly or they're so old to be harmless now. Hillary was put through the ringer over her private email server and was found to be without malice and no charges filed. That would be the reasonable outcome with any of these others, and the sooner it is taken care of, the better.

Trump is in his own toxic case a souvenir collector and I bet if you checked the phones of his visitors to the White House or Mar-a-Lago that you'll find they snapped a few photos of those documents Trump was waving around.

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From: Charmion
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 02:47 PM

Classified records turn up in the strangest places.

Some forty tears ago, a Canadian submarine skipper died and left his professional papers to the Public Archives (as it then was). The collection was packed up at the old salt’s house in Esquimalt, trucked to Ottawa, and in due course accessioned. It came to me, then a student on a four-month stage, to be “arranged”, as they say in the racket.

Three cubic-foot storage boxes and two weeks into the project, I found a four-inch file box tightly packed with Secret and Top Secret documents about nuclear warheads for torpedoes and performance studies of the then brand-new Oberon class of diesel-electric boats.

After his command tour, the skipper was posted to the Operations branch at Naval Headquarters. It was deep in the Cold War and a time of frantic security theatre, but he nevertheless took work home — and forgot some of his reference materials.

The world continued to revolve on its axis.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 23 - 02:28 PM

Where is the final resolution, if any, in that story?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 08:26 AM

Could the Democrats be playing chess while the Republicans are playing checkers? I can imagine that Biden reviewed the classified report on the Steele dossier that included the famous Russian Pee video. Not knowing this, Republicans will cry out that the documents must be made public, at which time Democrats will appear to reluctantly give in.
Hijinks ensue.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 11:52 AM

That last remark appears to be a brain fart - have you suddenly gone back in time six years? It made an impact when it first came out, but surely Biden didn't have the Trump pee video stashed in the locked garage cabinet. So much water under the bridge since then (or pee over the dam. . . )

In the alternate universe of Trumpville, Matt Gaetz says Trump should pick Sarah Huckabee Sanders or Kristi Noem as his running mate to get votes from women who don't like him for his VP running mate next time. Gaetz hasn't sussed that women despise those two fools also.

Trump announced on November 15 that he is running for president again in 2024. This is his third presidential run: He won his first race against Clinton in 2016 and lost to President Joe Biden in 2020.

In October, The New York Times Magazine journalist Robert Draper told the Daily Beast that Trump has "repeatedly" discussed choosing Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene as his running mate. Draper said this is because Greene has been "unflaggingly loyal" to the former president through a litany of scandals and lawsuits.

In January, The Daily Beast also reported, citing two sources who have spoken to Trump and an unnamed GOP strategist, that Trump has mostly been considering female running mates for his 2024 campaign. GOP Reps. Elise Stefanik and Greene, as well as former Democratic congresswoman and presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard, have been floated as candidates, per the Daily Beast.

Such incompetence packed into the top of one political party.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 11:55 AM

And firmly in the Trump Sock Puppet school of governance, New details link George Santos to cousin of sanctioned Russian oligarch
The New York congressman once claimed Andrew Intrater’s company was his “client,” while another Intrater company allegedly made a deposit with a firm where Santos worked

George Santos, the freshman Republican congressman from New York who lied about his biography, has deeper ties than previously known to a businessman who cultivated close links with a onetime Trump confidant and who is the cousin of a sanctioned Russian oligarch, according to video footage and court documents.

Andrew Intrater and his wife each gave the maximum $5,800 to Santos’ main campaign committee and tens of thousands more since 2020 to committees linked to him, according to filings with the Federal Election Commission. Intrater’s cousin is Russian billionaire Viktor Vekselberg, who has been sanctioned by the U.S. government for his role in the Russian energy industry.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 03:25 PM

I imagined it would be funny, but farts are funny too.

Oligarch WOOF! It seems Russia is involved again afterall.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 03:49 PM

"It’s not like Ukraine is a great democracy. It’s a totalitarian regime. They’re not a great bastion of freedom,” said Santos. He has insisted that Ukraine “welcomed the Russians into their provinces”—an apparent reference to President Vladimir Putin’s 2014 invasion to prop up rogue separatist parties—and that Ukrainians in the east “feel more Russian than Ukrainian,” even though every single Ukrainian province overwhelmingly voted for independence in 1991.

It was not the first time Devolder-Santos had parroted Kremlin talking points. In the weeks before Putin’s brutal, blundering attack upon his western neighbor, the candidate repeatedly took to Twitter to accuse President Joe Biden of plotting to “start a war” with Russia and deploy American troops to Ukraine. - Daily Beast

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 04:43 PM

ODE TO GEORGE SANTOS (what a load)

The only way to get what you want is to become a liar BEYOND COMPARE.
Can you do that?
My dear, Santos. That's what Trump does. It's what Putin lives for.
To help unfortunate folks like yourself.
Poor souls with no one else to turn to.
I admit that in the past lies have been nasty
They weren't kidding when they called me, well, SATAN prince of lies
But you'll find that nowadays
I've mended all my ways
Repented, seen the light, and made a switch
Got it? Yes.
And I, fortunately, know a little magic
It's a talent that I always have possessed
And dear George, please don't laugh
I use it on behalf
Of the miserable, the lonely, and pathetic
unfortunate souls
In pain, in need
This one longing to appear richer
That one wants to get the girl
And do I help them?
Yes, indeed
Those poor unfortunate souls
So sad, so true
They come flocking to my dungeon
Crying, "Spells, Satan, please!"
And I help them!
Yes I do
Now it's happened once or twice
Someone couldn't pay the price
And I'm afraid I had to rake 'em 'cross the coals
Yes I've had the odd complaint
But on the whole I've been a saint
To those poor unfortunate souls
Have we got a deal?
If I become truthful, I'll never be with my father or sisters again.
But you'll have your man, heh heh. Life's full of tough choices, isn't it? Heh heh.
Oh, and there is one more thing.
We haven't discussed the subject of payment.
But I don't have-
I'm not asking much, just a token really, a trifle!
What I want from you is - your reputation.
And after all dear, what is embellished babble for?
Come on, they're not all that impressed with honesty
Even voters avoid it when they can
But they dote and swoon and fawn
On a man who lies all he can
Come on you poor unfortunate soul
Go ahead!
Make your choice!
I'm a very busy devi and I haven't got all day
It won't cost much
Just your life
You poor unfortunate soul
It's sad but true
If you want to win a seat among others of deceit
You've got the pay the toll
Take your arm and go ahead, reach
And go ahead and sign the scroll
AHHH
The boss is on a roll
This poor unfortunate soul
Come winds of the Caspian Sea
Now, LIE!
Aah... lie beyond compare!
Keep LIEING!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Jan 23 - 06:56 PM

I believe Trump is claiming credit for exposing the current corrupt regime (which regime? You name it!) based on his post incumbancy behaviour. I remember when he took credit for verifying Obama's Americanness based on his campaign to declare him a foreigner.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jan 23 - 07:05 PM

Robo, you're alive!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 07:41 AM

Narcissists will never change so I expected Trump to return to Twitter.
The election denier and losing candidate in New Mexico was arrested for shooting up the homes of winning Democratic candidates.
The cold Civil War continues among the criminal element.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 10:31 AM

Wow. Even the evangelicals have had enough of Donald Trump.

Just days before Donald Trump hosts his first 2024 event in South Carolina, a state whose evangelical population has long played a critical role in its presidential primary, the former president is lashing out at religious conservatives who have declined to endorse his third presidential campaign.

Trump’s comments to conservative journalist David Brody in a podcast interview Monday, in which he decried the “disloyalty” of evangelical leaders who have withheld public support for his campaign, were the latest in a series of bewildering remarks he’s made about one of the most critical voting blocs in a Republican primary.

“Nobody has ever done more for Right to Life than Donald Trump. I put three Supreme Court justices, who all voted, and they got something that they’ve been fighting for 64 years, for many, many years,’” Trump told Brody, referring to the Supreme Court’s overturning of federal abortion rights in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision last summer.

“There’s great disloyalty in the world of politics and that’s a sign of disloyalty,” Trump continued, bemoaning evangelical leaders who have declined to support his latest campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 11:09 AM

In chess the king is at great disadvantage without the bishops.
The same with authoritarian politics.

It is my belief that the teachings of religion is always to suppress freedom and adore the boss, overlord or God. This allows a king a legitimacy since the minions are taught to want and need a leader who is always there to decide for them. Without the support of that segment of society a king has little advantage except to exploit fear and victimhood which the king will find a limited angry but loyal base.

It seems obvious to me but many pundits claim that they do not understand the attraction to Trump and fascism. Many people really want to be told what to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 04:27 PM

Trump can't help himself, even though it makes no sense. The sound of one stupid mouth flapping: Trump calls for jailing journalists who broke Supreme Court’s draft abortion decision.

Former President Trump is calling for the jailing of the journalists who published a leaked draft opinion showing the Supreme Court was poised to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Last spring, Politico reporters Josh Gerstein and Alexander Ward published a blockbuster report on a draft opinion penned by Justice Samuel Alito that would overturn the landmark abortion ruling.

The court on Thursday made public a report detailing an investigation into the leak of the opinion, indicating it was unable to identify the source of the leak to Politico.

“They’ll never find out, & it’s important that they do,” Trump wrote in a post on his Truth Social website. “So, go to the reporter & ask him/her who it was. If not given the answer, put whoever in jail until the answer is given. You might add the editor and publisher to the list.”

He simply doesn't understand the bit in the Constitution about the freedom of the press, if it isn't FAUX News.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Rain Dog
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 04:44 AM

Does anyone keep track of where 'classified' documents go?

I think the security system or rather lack of it, needs to be looked at.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 07:56 AM

The rules are strict and complex! The myth of a government job is forever is bogus. It is most often ended by a charge of mishandling classified material. It is like Capone getting arrested for taxes and not for the actual crimes. After that even porn on a phone can get you fired. When a government worker is working with classified material, the computer often auto-saves the classified info without the user's knowledge but the rules are to go back and remove the save. Almost everyone is guilty of mishandling when every trace is not unknowingly removed. BUT IN BIDEN'S CASE it was his staff's job to be sure document handling is cleaned up. There is a big difference between top secret and classified or confidential.

Senators and Congressmen have to use an eye's only SKIF to view documents but not in the old days.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 08:30 AM

Much more info is classified than really needs to be. It is in the trillions.
Just cleaning that up has proved difficult.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 11:22 AM

The U.S. has an overclassification problem, says one former special counsel

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 12:00 PM

Yes even newspaper headlines can be classified but most of the time it is used to cover someone's ass for being wrong or dishonest or worse.

As for Biden's political (not criminal) problem, I do accuse him of not being unapologetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: leeneia
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 12:15 PM

RE the classified documents, I want to know why the National Archives didn't miss them and demand them back. I also want to know whose fingerprints are on them.

It would be so easy for somebody to get past the lock on a university office and put something in the room.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 08:42 AM

> RE the classified documents, I want to know why the National Archives
> didn't miss them and demand them back.

Perhaps because we live in a photocopier world? so many copies, so much data to track.

> I also want to know whose fingerprints are on them.

None if those, erm, donating the documents were halfway competent.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 09:01 AM

There is a bill to enhance the protocols of the National archives.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 09:08 AM

We are past the days of microfilm and copiers. We are past the days of Furbies phones and apple watches. We are in the age of the hack.

Eyes only documents are old hat and are being destroyed as we speak.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 09:30 AM

> Eyes only documents are old hat and are being destroyed as we speak.

Then I fear for the long-term record, as well as short-term security. Hard copy is still signed for wills, house deeds, treaties etc, for long-term durability. For the really long term, follow the example of the English Parliament: Hansard is still printed on vellum, because it lasts longer than even acid-free paper.

One of the fundamental problems with securing soft-copy documents is that, when you make a copy, the original is untouched. One can steal a hard-copy document, but its theft is easier to detect, because it isn't where it should be.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 03:00 PM

From Facebook/Meta:

Ending Suspension of Trump’s Accounts With New Guardrails to Deter Repeat Offenses

Takeaways

• We will be ending the suspension of Mr. Trump’s Facebook and Instagram accounts in the coming weeks.
  
• We’ve put new guardrails in place to deter repeat offenses.
  
• The public should be able to hear what politicians are saying so they can make informed choices.

Social media is rooted in the belief that open debate and the free flow of ideas are important values, especially at a time when they are under threat in many places around the world. As a general rule, we don’t want to get in the way of open, public and democratic debate on Meta’s platforms — especially in the context of elections in democratic societies like the United States. The public should be able to hear what their politicians are saying — the good, the bad and the ugly — so that they can make informed choices at the ballot box. But that does not mean there are no limits to what people can say on our platform. When there is a clear risk of real world harm — a deliberately high bar for Meta to intervene in public discourse — we act.

Truth be told, it is my guess that Facebook wants the revenue from all of the eyeballs that Trump attracts. Bottom line, they want the dollars.

"In the event that Mr. Trump posts further violating content, the content will be removed and he will be suspended for between one month and two years, depending on the severity of the violation."

Yeah, right.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 04:30 AM


Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel - PM
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 01:54 PM

In two weeks it will be revealed if Trump is to be indicted in Georgia

Did it happen? And...


100!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 05:22 AM

What have I told y'all about Facebook...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 08:15 AM

The Attorney General of GA. says the announcement is 'imminent'.
So far they announced they will not make public the grand jury evidence.
That is typical. I bet the usual Friday release of info will be forthcoming. Friday is a prime day to disseminate announcements.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 06:54 PM

Nope, no announcement of the indictment today.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 09:25 AM

Trump says he is more committed than ever.
If only he were committed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Jan 23 - 09:49 PM

Last summer's video of deposition. A civil fraud probe. Nothing new in Trumpland, so they're talking about his taking the Fifth for four hours.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Feb 23 - 06:25 AM

Republicans have no platform but they are anti-science, anti-vaccine, anti-doctors, anti-chamber of congress, anti social security etc.
Even before Covid, Republicans typically ran up the debt to historic levels to make Democrats have to address and fix it later to the unpopular dismay of voters.
Holding the country hostage has worked before but now it is a bridge too far. The people are slow to wise up but we are getting wise to the anti-democratic attack on Middle-class America.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Feb 23 - 10:37 AM

An Op-Ed out of the Philadelphia Inquirer looking into the reason for the timing of Comey announcing the investigation of the Clinton assistant's laptop right before the election:

This week’s stunning corruption charges against a top FBI spymaster who assumed a key role in the bureau’s New York office just weeks before 2016's “October surprise” — an agent who by 2018 was known to be working for a Vladimir Putin-tied Russian oligarch — should cause America to rethink everything we think we know about the Trump-Russia scandal and how it really happened that Trump won that election.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Feb 23 - 10:38 AM

In that piece:

How coordinated was the effort in that New York field office to pump up the ultimate nothingburger about Clinton’s emails while pooh-poohing the very real evidence of Russian interference on Trump’s behalf, and who were the agents behind it? What was the role, if any, of McGonigal and his international web of intrigue? Was the now-tainted McGonigal a source who told the New York Times that fateful October that Russia was not trying to help Trump win the election — before the U.S. intelligence community determined the exact opposite? If not McGonigal, just who was intentionally misleading America’s most influential news org, and why?

As a veteran journalist, I find the Times’ role in this fiasco — although likely an unwitting one — deeply disturbing. To be sure, the 2016 FBI leaks weren’t the first time a major news organization has been burned by anonymous law enforcement sources, and regrettably, it probably won’t be the last. Media critics have been talking for years about the Times’ flawed coverage, and how its near certainty that Clinton would win and a desire to show its aggressiveness toward a future president seemed to have skewed its coverage.

All filed under "how Russia helped get Trump elected.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Feb 23 - 11:27 AM

There were Chinese weather/spy balloons over US territory at least 3 times during the Trump administration. Not. A. Peep.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Feb 23 - 07:56 AM

It is the primary season again but the Koch brothers' money network is not going with Trump and is supporting alternatives this time.

The DNC is going with a new order of primary states, not going with Iowa first anymore. This will allow D candidates a better showing. The RNC is going with the old order.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Feb 23 - 10:44 AM

You're just ahead of me - I looked at this article yesterday about the Koch money and didn't share it.

Koch network to back alternative to Trump after sitting out recent primaries

That money has always been behind anti-Democratic principles and candidates. I think they're big with the Federalist Society funding as well (think Supreme Court justices) - and they helped the Tea Party get off the ground.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Feb 23 - 10:58 PM

a bit of Koch history          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/17/dark-money-review-nazi-oil-the-koch-brothers-and-a-rightwing-revolution

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 23 - 09:01 AM

Yet even more classified documents were found at Mara Lago with a staffer's laptop having downloaded a classified document to his computer.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Feb 23 - 03:57 PM

I didn't see that one. I'm waiting to see proof that visitors to the Mar-a-loco office snapped phone photos of classified documents. You know he let people do it.

This is just a little story, but it's what is coming across more often now: Trump's 'desperation' is beginning to show: GOP campaign consultant

"DeSantis had a little interesting moment," Jennings told CNN host Jake Tapper. "Trump was attacking him over Covid and said some very dishonest things about what DeSantis had done as governor on Covid policy. And then DeSantis kind of responds to it -- doesn't mention Trump by name -- but he said, 'I did what I did and other people did what they did, and you can look at the electoral results of that.'"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Feb 23 - 09:54 PM

A judge in Georgia will release this week three parts of the grand jury report written after the investigation into Trump and his tampering with the Georgia election. It doesn't name names, leaving that to the Fulton County District Attorney when she's ready to press charges.

So close . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Possible careers you turned down
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 23 - 10:02 PM

So now imminent means 4 weeks come this Thursday.
Trump has only attacked law enforcement like the Justice Dept. and FBI and has replaced key people with his own BUT NOW the entire third leg of Democracy which is the Court System is in his crosshairs. It is the court that can arrest indict and jail Trump and he can not fire the judges and jury.

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Moved from the thread where this was accidentally posted. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Feb 23 - 12:37 PM

Just read the news that Nikki Haley is running for the Republican candidacy. Is this good or bad news?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Feb 23 - 11:04 AM

It might be good news for the GOP that it isn't Trump, but she is a Trump apologist all over the place, so not much of an improvement.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Feb 23 - 06:47 AM

;) So a Florida man told the bank teller "I just need 11,780 dollars which is one more than I have" and was immediately arrested and charged with bank robbery.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Feb 23 - 11:18 AM

Good call! Trump is definitely "Florida man" now since he has rejected his New York City roots.

It seems someone lied to the Georgia grand jury and they're not chuffed about that. Heads other than The Donald's may roll.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 23 - 07:05 AM

Almost everybody couldn't say Voldemort's name except Harry Potter.
Today Pense, DeSantis or Niki Halley can't say Trump out loud.

Trump's childhood heroes were Norman Vincent Peele, or so they say.
I think it was Jackie Gleason from the Honeymooners.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Feb 23 - 11:07 AM

That head of the Georgia special grand jury has managed to say his name, I think. She has also managed to spill a whole bunch of beans in her anxiousness to see something come from the eight months they spent working on the project. Hopefully she has someone advising her that less is more. Like to stop that chatter right now. Let the grownups take it from here.

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 07:33 AM

Fortunately, she was not on the charging grand jury.
Simple folks are often enamored by celebrities and go overboard.
Lawyers will grab any weed if they are falling down a cliff.

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 08:02 AM

As Trump said overseas; "Putin is a genius" I don't see why Putin would lie" "I believe Putin over our own intelligence" etc. one claim is true IMO.
Putin was a genius in getting Trump to be his own Kremlin candidate along with Manafort who was Trump's campaign advisor after being the campaign advisor for Putin's Ukraine puppet President who was eventually overthrown by Ukraine and then elected Velodemir Zelenski instead.

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 08:11 AM

SNL

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 10:14 AM

The jury foreperson is an odd one - her 15 minutes of fame are just about up.

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From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 23 - 06:29 AM

CHARISMA - i don't know exactly what it is or how its made but whatever it is De Santis doesn't have any.

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From: gillymor
Date: 01 Mar 23 - 07:27 AM

He reminds me of Tricky Dick in that department.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Mar 23 - 10:57 AM

The latest FAUX amongst the hens is the gift of access to the security camera footage to FOX "news." Content from there was kept back by the January 6 committee for security reasons, court reasons, etc. But apparently the new very handicapped (by 15 votes and a shitload of promises to the corrupt far right) Speaker gave access to only Fox. Someone needs to step in and stop it on legal grounds.

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From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 23 - 10:00 AM

Fair and balanced reporting will show a split-screen compare and contrast format showing a peaceful Jan. 6th march and tourists staying inside the Capitol velvet ropes to video of Portland riots, Disney security video of long line altercations, people reacting violently to the Charlottesville nazis and Kyle Rittenhouse 'fighting' for his life.

What's not fair about the compare and contrast format?

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Mar 23 - 11:02 PM

From "WTF Just Happened Today":

Welcome to Day 772 [of the Biden administration].

Today in one sentence: Trump can be sued by injured Capitol Police officers and Democratic lawmakers over the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol; the House Ethics Committee opened an investigation into George Santos; Biden plans to ask Congress for $1.6 billion to recapture stolen Covid-19 relief funds and help victims of identity theft; Eli Lilly will cap the out-of-pocket costs of insulin at $35 a month; and the Senate voted to repeal a Biden administration rule that allowed retirement funds to consider climate and social factors in their investments decisions.

He ran this during the Trump administration, started as a lark, I think, but taken seriously by a lot of readers so he buckled down and kept it going. It is finally beginning to feel like the worm has turned as far as Trump's fate in court.

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 23 - 05:47 AM

He lost a civil suit over Trump University and lost when he sued Mahre and others.

My dear, Santos. That's what Trump does. It's what Putin lives for.
To help unfortunate folks like yourself.
Poor souls with no one else to turn to.
I admit that in the past lies have been nasty
They weren't kidding when they called me, well, SATAN prince of lies
But you'll find that nowadays
I've mended all my ways
Repented, seen the light, and made a switch
Got it? Yes.
And I, fortunately, know a little magic
It's a talent that I always have possessed
And dear George, please don't laugh
I use it on behalf
Of the miserable, the lonely, and pathetic
unfortunate souls
In pain, in need
This one longing to appear richer
That one wants to get the girl
And do I help them?
Yes, indeed
Those poor unfortunate souls
So sad, so true
They come flocking to my dungeon
Crying, "Spells, Satan, please!"
And I help them!
Yes I do
Now it's happened once or twice
Someone couldn't pay the price
And I'm afraid I had to rake 'em 'cross the coals
Yes I've had the odd complaint
But on the whole I've been a saint
To those poor unfortunate souls
Have we got a deal?
If I become truthful, I'll never be with my father or sisters again.
But you'll have your man, heh heh. Life's full of tough choices, isn't it? Heh heh.
Oh, and there is one more thing.
We haven't discussed the subject of payment.
But I don't have-
I'm not asking much, just a token really, a trifle!
What I want from you is - your reputation.
And after all dear, what is embellished babble for?
Come on, they're not all that impressed with honesty
Even voters avoid it when they can
But they dote and swoon and fawn
On a man who lies all he can
Come on you poor unfortunate soul
Go ahead!
Make your choice!
I'm a very busy devi and I haven't got all day
It won't cost much
Just your life
You poor unfortunate soul
It's sad but true
If you want to win a seat among others of deceit
You've got the pay the toll
Take your arm and go ahead, reach
And go ahead and sign the scroll
AHHH
The boss is on a roll
This poor unfortunate soul
Come winds of the Caspian Sea
Now, LIE!
Aah... lie beyond compare!
Keep LIEING!
Because soon you'll be crying
cause the ehics committee
sees your nitty gritty
You are under investigation.
for your imagination.

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 23 - 08:23 AM

NEW YORK (AP) — Former FBI Director James Comey is on a career path both new and familiar — crime fiction.

Comey has a deal to write two novels for The Mysterious Press, an imprint of Penzler Publishers. The first is called “Central Park West,” and it features an assistant U.S. Attorney looking into ties between the Mafia and the murder of a local politician. The book is scheduled for next spring.


I started the New Trump Constitution to replace the one Trump wants to terminate and will BE INTRODUCED TO THE WORLD at CPAC.

"We the real people in order to provide the most huge and best in the history of the universe, union to provide control and establish the Presidency to do whatever it wants and to establish the real Constitution of the United States of America that replaces the prior woke fake laws by decree on Twitter."

CPAC also wants some new Biden scandals but all I have so far is that Jeffery Epstein was the illegitimate love child of a young Joe Biden.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 23 - 09:48 AM

Wouldn't it be better all round if you cited the source of your parody Donuel? Not everyone is into Disney!

(I know it coz I have twin daughters who were 4 when the Little Mermaid came out and when it was released on video we had to rent it every week!)

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Mar 23 - 10:26 AM

Sounds more like The Onion.

If Murdoch goes down with FOX for the Dominion stuff, what are the odds he's going to drag Trump under that bus with him?

So many possibilities.

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 23 - 09:24 PM

When it is AP I say so. When it is all me I don't source myself.

A song parody is another matter. Did someone forget I was a cartoonist or that my dad was a Constitutional law professor?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Mar 23 - 10:14 PM

PLEASE - tell us more about your Dad. I didn't know that.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Mar 23 - 03:35 AM

Fine. I was only suggesting it may be better if people knew what it was based on. I found it funny because I could envisage Ursula singing it. Others may not.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Mar 23 - 08:43 AM

Dad was born in Boston to Jewish parents who spoke Yiddish and escaped the Nazis just before the Einsatzgruppen invaded Poland and Russia. Dorchester was a neighborhood in transition between the Irish and the Jews. Lottsa fights. He joined the Army and was given the option to work as a legal clerk for the court martial division in England or join the front line because of religion and the Nazis. He witnessed the Blitz.
After the war the GI bill enabled a choice to study journalism or poli sci. An opening in Syracuse for poli sci opened up over Chicago journalism. He sought a law degree as well in Denver but a family and teaching was a bridge too far. He got tenure in New York when I was old enough to glean some of his knowledge and ethics. He kept his head down during the McCarthy era while colleagues wrote books about the Military Industrial Complex. In his day he was in Who's Who but retired with a following of lawyers who studied Constitutional law with him in their youth. His books involved the Supreme Court in human terms and not a scientific analysis. That was considered old school. His standards were strict, however. We ate bacon and he was as reformed as one can get so teaching me religion in Hebrew school was forbidden. As a result I rarely saw the survivors in his side of the family. My dyslexia was not understood so my difficulty in school was attributed to laziness. I have educated my self and now have an affinity to Russel Brand.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Mar 23 - 08:50 AM

It was Mom who taught us both about diversity and skill acquisation.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Mar 23 - 09:27 AM

I understand about the dyslexia - and the Russel Brand reference certainly creates a mental image of functionality and brains.

On the Trump front, his former attorney Cohen will probably testify to the grand jury soon.

Michael Cohen, former President Trump’s former personal lawyer, believes he will be called to testify to the New York grand jury investigating the former president “very soon.”

Cohen told reporters his prediction on the way to meeting with the Manhattan district attorney’s office, which is investigating alleged hush money payments Cohen arranged on behalf of the former president to two women who said they had sex with Trump.

He has met with investigators more than a dozen times throughout the course of the Manhattan investigation.

Cohen arranged large sums for adult film star Stormy Daniels and playboy model Karen McDougal before the 2016 election. Cohen paid Daniels $130,000 and McDougal was paid $150,000 by American Media, the then-parent company of The National Enquirer tabloid.

Trump has denied that he had sexual relations with either of the women. Cohen pled guilty to a bevy of charges related to the payoffs and other conduct last year. He was sentenced to three years in prison but served little of it due to the coronavirus pandemic.

There's more at the link.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Mar 23 - 11:27 AM

Out of interest, 'pled' didn't look right to me but I had deen it before so I looked it up and found the following bit of trivia -

"The formal pleaded is more common in British English while pled is more common in Scottish and American English."

I wonder why it became more common in the US and Scotland? Maybe Trump's Scottish connections? :-D

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 05 Mar 23 - 09:21 AM

The Don stood in the burning dock
when all but he had pled ....

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Mar 23 - 10:00 AM

Trying to find news sources that aren't behind paywalls. May not work outside the US.

Despite Republicans cooling on him, CPAC is still the Trump show

Saturday marked the final day of the Conservative Political Action Conference, and former President Donald Trump delivered the closing act.

"Change only happens if we plow fearlessly ahead and declare with one voice that the era of woke and weaponized government is over. That is our task, that is our mission. And this is the turning point and the time for that decision," Trump said, speaking to a crowd of CPAC attendees at the Gaylord National Resort & Convention Center in Maryland. The speech comes more than three months after he announced another bid for president.

The former president spoke for more than 90 minutes, ticking through a list of pledges for a second term in office while also hitting on points he's repeatedly made in past speeches since leaving the White House, notably the lie that he won the 2020 election.

Trump also criticized a handful of the Biden administration's policies, vowing to end the war in Ukraine and cut down on U.S. foreign aid.

He took aim at establishment Republicans that led the party in the early and mid-2010s – calling out the change in party ideals since he became a prominent political figure.

"We had a republican party that was ruled by freaks, neocons, globalists, open borders zealots and fools but we are never going back to the party of Paul Ryan, Karl Rove and Jeb Bush," he said.

The rest at the linked page.

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From: Donuel
Date: 07 Mar 23 - 04:23 PM

We deserve Trump. It is all ultimately a CIA blowback from a project to elect a US-friendly Russain.
What most people do not know is that 3 Americans were responsible for spearheading Boris Yeltsin's bid to rule. Putin naturally wanted to do the same to America and set people to manage the Trump campaign using the same people he used for a Russian puppet in Ukraine.
Both our hands are dirty. It seems Putin has done very well in creating a 'Kremlin' Candidate for the USA.

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From: Donuel
Date: 07 Mar 23 - 05:11 PM

The three American campaign consultants were not CIA but after being hired with oligarch money for the Yeltzin election the CIA were clued in. Putin may not see it from our angle.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Mar 23 - 08:08 PM

Trump has been invited to testify to the New York grand jury next week, a typical precursor to his being charged. The crime in this instance is paying off Stormy Daniels and another woman about sex - hush money.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/nyregion/trump-potential-criminal-charges-bragg.html

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From: Donuel
Date: 09 Mar 23 - 08:36 PM

I have a feeling you will be the first to announce the first indictment of a US President here.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Mar 23 - 10:01 AM

Michael Cohen to appear before NY Grand Jury (again!) I heard a conversation on MSNBC last week about his many appearances with the prosecutor (18 times). He has testified in other places also, but in this particular case Cohen was found guilty of making the payment and served his time. He's now free to topple Trump.

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From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 23 - 07:37 AM

If a hemorrhoid could talk it would sound like De Santis.

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From: Donuel
Date: 15 Mar 23 - 08:44 AM

Another Trump outcome has come to pass. His legislation to deregulate 250 billion dollar banks has led to the second largest bank failure like the bigger banks in 2008. Deregulation allows banks to invest depositor money in high-risk schemes that make for bonus money for executives., but anathema for others.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Mar 23 - 12:44 PM

I don't usually turn on the MSNBC folks in the morning, but today we have two Trump-caused crises looming: anti-abortion advocates went judge-shopping and found one of his appointees in Amarillo, TX, to try to overturn FDA approval of Mifepristone, while mid-size huge banks totter because Trump cut out important features of the Dodd-Franks bill that would have prevented this.

Biden needs to do something about expanding the Supreme Court. Or impeach a criminal-class judge who Trump appointed and Clarence Thomas should never have been approved. That one's on Biden, whichever way you look at it.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Mar 23 - 07:42 PM

Moody’s Downgrades Entire U.S. Banking System; Credit Suisse Plummets. Welcome to Banking Crisis 3.0

On July 29 of last year we wrote that Wall Street Megabanks’ Multi-Billion Dollar Blunders Suggest Money Controls as Good as George Bailey’s Uncle Billy and summed up our analysis with: “This is the stuff of banana republics – not a financial system befitting a superpower.”

On a regular basis, we emailed these articles to key staff of the Senators and House Reps who sit on the Senate Banking and House Financial Services Committees.

Late Monday, the credit rating agency, Moody’s, downgraded the entire U.S. banking system outlook to negative from stable. (Let that sink in for a moment – a downgrade of the entire U.S. banking system.) The news of the Moody’s downgrade did not hit the wires until yesterday, which should have cratered the most vulnerable bank stocks. Instead, there was a highly suspicious short squeeze that fueled a big rally in the prices of publicly-traded banks.

That unwarranted optimism has now been reversed this morning with Dow futures down more than 600 points just after 8:00 a.m. in New York; major banks in Europe temporarily halted from trading after steep selloffs; and troubled Swiss behemoth bank, Credit Suisse, down 24 percent to a new all time low of $1.74 in morning trade in Europe following multiple trading halts. For the systemic contagion posed by Credit Suisse, see our February 10 article: Credit Suisse Tanks Yesterday to $3.02; It’s Lost Over 90 Percent of Its Market Value Since 2007; It’s Not Alone.

The rest is at the link. Trump always wants access to banks, and wants to have an unlevel playing field. He borrows from banks, he doesn't invest in them - that I know of - so his diddling the rules regarding banks would have been to benefit himself. One wonders if any banks (Deutsche Bank comes to mind) will throw him under the clown car.

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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 23 - 10:41 AM

The bottom line is to not think a panic run on banks is a good idea.
This repeat of the effect of deregulation of banks in 1929 and 2008 is not on the same scale.

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Mar 23 - 02:50 PM

> Trump always wants access to banks

.... so did the Rumpo Kid in Carry On Cowboy. Hopefully there's a Marshall P Knutt in town somewhere.

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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 23 - 02:56 PM

His name is Elizabeth Warren.

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From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 23 - 08:20 PM

Washington Week reported an additional 135 Billion dollars has been used
to (bailout) prop up a number of banks that will not be disclosed for 2 years. This can lead to a snap slow down in the economy which is probably too much medicine to lower inflation.
Between inflation, bailouts, and student loans this looks like a 3 body problem with no clear solution.

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From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 23 - 08:45 PM

Trump's Hate List has expanded to include OURSELVES and the 'harrible' people in charge and the, innovative silicon valley companies, Hollywood, Disney, Democratic Culture, Pop Music, Gays-lesbians and trans, anyone or book that is woke which includes the Pentagon, CIA, FBI and NSA. In other words, a giant purge is needed.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 12:01 AM

Trump is so close to indictment we can almost taste it. The folks at MSNBC are counting the possible places it could come from and watching to see who gets there first. Good. He has it coming.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 05:53 AM

Trump is America's Khaddafi and his followers are the American Isis.
I am not their keeper but as an American, I am their brother.
Who I am to the Trumpists shouldn't be different, but is.
To unite a dysfunctional family will be a tough lesson to learn znd will need specific situations and compassion for the duped and deluded.
Just locking their champion up is not the full answer.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 06:03 AM

There will need to be an iconic visual that will lift us all or shame us all. Words are not enough.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 06:21 AM

In my opinion the SDNY Stormy Danials case will be a reach to prosecute compared to the Georgia election interference case. The classified documents case has become diluted due to Biden and Pence documents.
I hope these facts will intercede strategically over a lust for an indictment.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 08:42 AM

WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS, TRUMP HAS POSTED COME TO MY ARREST ON TUESDAY AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK, IT WILL BE WILD!!!!!!!!!1

Perhaps the visual I was alluding to will be his mug shots and fingerprinting. I am guessing US Marshalls will have to take a plane down to Florida to take him into custody since I don't think he will turn himself in. This Trump post is a gambit and based on leaks and a threat of violence.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 09:00 AM

In his post Trump blames a Jew George Soros for his impending arrest.

I blame his one of the four times the Capitol was attacked.
First by the British then the Civil War, 9-11 and Jan. 6th.

Will US Marshalls have to go to FL?

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 10:52 AM

He posted this crap from his golf course.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 12:24 PM

So he is overtly breaking the law again by calling for another riot or insurrection. The guy does. not. learn. from. his. mistakes.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 12:46 PM

Technically he is calling for protests. Between March madness and doing a Trump protest, I think March Madness wins.

McCarthy and Greene have posted their Trump fear and anger support.
The DA has made no comment.
Personally, I think the mixed metaphorical glove fits but it is a bridge too far above a river of tears.:^?

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 02:19 PM

In the upper echelons of government and decorum, it is being said that Trump has pulled this out of his ass.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 02:50 PM

It looks like Trump was just passing ammunition to Jim Jorden's House investigation regarding the Democrat's weaponization of the law with their investigation into the attack on the Capitol and law makers.

Will there be a Senate investigation into the House Investigations of the 1st investigation's investigation?

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 03:20 PM

When he again says "it will be wild!" he's signalling that riots and destruction are fine with him.

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From: Helen
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 03:58 PM

Donuel and SRS, I do try to stay out of the politics of other countries, but Trump has unfortunately "trumped" my good intentions.

I can't help thinking of the Anti-Christ, who generates a huge following but has nothing to offer but his own, huge self-serving intentions, cleverly shrouded in big words, duping the real people into following him into battle, believing it to be for the good of the nation and/or the world.

I agree with you Donuel that there needs to be compassion for the duped and deluded, preceded by an opening of their minds to reality.

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From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 08:18 AM

The hard core true believer Nazix will not back down.

In an almost organic process, the bank failures follow a process of multiple hive collapses of the money bees.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 11:52 AM

Helen, I fear that the process of having eyes opened to the fraud that Trump has practiced will be painful to his followers. In the immediate future it doesn't feel like a passive process. His dense subalterns like Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, and other self-serving individuals won't want to give up their platform for attention and riches.

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From: Helen
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 01:55 PM

SRS, I agree.

One of the scariest things I saw on ABC [American] News was a group of serious looking Christians standing around the back of Trump's chair in the White House, laying their hands on his shoulders and praying as if he were the new Messiah.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 02:45 PM

Remarkable that that happened because he apparently doesn't like being touched.

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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 02:57 PM

”…a group of serious looking Christians standing around the back of Trump's chair in the White House, laying their hands on his shoulders and praying as if he were the new Messiah.”

Not so much the new Messiah, IMHO, more the Anti-Christ.

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From: Helen
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 03:53 PM

Sorry Backwoodsman, I should have said "Messiah" and not just Messiah. I did say the Anti-Christ in my post at 18 Mar 23 - 03:58 PM.

Also, I think it was on ABC News but it might have been PBS News. The Christians might not have actually been touching him. Maybe they were just holding their hands a little bit away from him, sending him the Christian energy to help him in his "mission" - whatever they thought THAT might be.

I also keep thinking about how surprised a lot of his followers were when, a) they found out COVID was real and dangerous, and b) they found out that the attack on the Capitol was in fact a life-threatening attack.

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From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 03:54 PM

I told an ex CIA operative who was stationed in Uzbekistan that Bush was the anti christ. She said "just wait".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 04:50 PM

I did an internet search on:

trump christians in the white house

There were a lot of results.

This is a long article but makes some interesting points:

How the Christian Right Helped Foment Insurrection

And here is the photo I mentioned earlier. with an interesting take on what some Christians believe about Trump and his intentions:

photo

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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 05:29 PM

They are utterly, irreversibly barking mad, completely insane. As is Trump.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 05:46 PM

Arrest warrant out for Putin. Trump looks to be at the end of his road. Just BoJo to complete the set.

We can but hope...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 05:51 PM

Even George Washington lamented the politically extreme Christians of his day.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 06:08 PM

Gosh. I've been on here countless times grandstanding my militant atheism. I haven't got much time for Christianity or any other creed that people were accidentally born into and find it hard to escape from. But let's be careful here. The majority of people who I've lived with, were brought up with, who brought me up, worked with or otherwise encountered in multifarious ways have been Christians "to some degree" (discuss!). Most of them are decent people who have certain views I don't agree with and who don't agree with some of my views. Whatever Trump has done he has not done it in the name of Jesus, whatever he might claim. Neither have the sanctimonious bastards who support him "in the name of Jesus," whatever THEY might claim. Let's keep a sense of perspective. And come on, you genuine Christians, speak up and don't let these bloody charlatans get away with it. And we non-Christians too!

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 09:15 PM

There are countless memes out there that express opinions that reject religions that insist on dictating how other people think and act. Christianity in the US is becoming the American Taliban. If more moderate xtians can't convince their brethren to tone it down and take a few steps back, then they need to act, or reject outright the behavior - do something to regain their religion. Just like moderate GOP members have to contend with the lunatics in power right now.

Trump is trying to control the event, to dictate how this story moves forward. His proclaiming that he will be arrested on Tuesday is trying to get in front of the story. But this one is carrying him along to parts unknown.

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From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 20 Mar 23 - 03:44 AM

he has asked his supporters to protest on the day, & no doubt some will bring their 2nd Amendment rights along with them ...

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From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 23 - 07:57 AM

Hey, those are code words for guns and murder. ;^/

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From: gillymor
Date: 20 Mar 23 - 08:49 AM

If his loonies try anything in Manhattan, where drumpf has long been considered a pariah, there should be plenty of NY's finest there in riot gear to tamp down any protest that turns violent.

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From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 06:41 AM

McConnell fell Wednesday after attending a reception for the Senate Leadership Fund, a super PAC that pumped $290 million into the 2022 election, followed by a private dinner at the Waldorf Astoria.

Sources familiar with the evening described the dinner as a small private event. McConnell was taken to the hospital by ambulance after tripping and hitting his head and fracturing a rib..

McConnell fractured his shoulder after falling at his home in Kentucky in 2019 and triple bypass surgery in 2003. He is in a rehab center and not attending Congress.

Marjorie Taylor Greene says she only gave Mitch a tiny slap on the back ;-/

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From: gillymor
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 06:53 AM

Sounds like what we used to call a case of the Kentucky flu.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 11:25 AM

I'm going to make a big bowl of popcorn.

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From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 07:53 PM

I think of all the political pundits and authors of Trump books and realize that they all miss the point and make arcane explanations of their own. One in Five Americans read at a third-grade level and half at the 6th-grade level. nuff said.

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From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 08:20 PM

It turns out that the great Trump arrest leak was a trickle compared to the one he watched in Moscow.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 09:34 PM

Trump is trying to manage the story, and by saying it would happen today, had a lot of people paying attention to him. My popcorn will keep, my Tupperware bowl has an airtight lid.

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From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 10:08 PM

can't waste that popcorn!

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 10:58 PM

It sounds like a race to the indictment - Jack Smith has an overnight deadline for some of the work he's doing (he's the special counsel on the stolen documents case.) So many possibilities! Perhaps it will be like watching a tennis match - back and forth between the players.

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From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 23 - 06:51 PM

In my crystal ball, I see some of the 3 upcoming indictments overlapping and Trump fundraising with the video of being fingerprinted and perp walked. As Rachel says "put a pin in it".

Trump Documentaries in the future will have great soundtrack background music like Jailhouse Rock and tunes by Cash, Waites and others.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Mar 23 - 08:04 PM

The New York grand jury is pushing work until Monday. I heard today about a death threat and envelope of white powder sent to the Manhattan DA; not sure if this is part of the delay.

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From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 23 - 08:13 PM

Trump promises in text "Death and Destruction".
He is such a Hitler wannabe.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 04:48 AM

I cannot find any recent source for that Donuel. Can you provide a link please?

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From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 06:45 AM

It is in today's Daily Telegraph.

DC

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From: gillymor
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 07:31 AM

He's stirring up the mob again-
Huffpost death and destruction . Someone needs to grow a pair and prosecute this rabid dog.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 09:35 AM

Got it - Thanks Doug and gillymore

The man is a menace to the stability of the USA and the world in general. I said a long time back, possibly on this thread, that he is treating the presidency like a game. Someone should explain to him that it is not the WWE and he is not 'fighting' Vince MacMahon!

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 01:56 PM

The man is mentally ill. At the very least a sociopath.

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From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 06:26 PM

And now Trump has got a pastor in Waco, Texas, of all places,
preaching that Trump is the Lord's Anointed
and that he is going to bring about the Fall of the Babylon Deep State.
THis from the New York Times.
It's getting too weird for words now.

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From: Helen
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 06:30 PM

With all of his blatant threats to democracy and the institutions and people in the U.S., I don't understand why he isn't being charged with treason.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 10:07 PM

These things take time, apparently.

I guess he flew over the top of all of the chaos in Mississippi after a horrible tornado, to talk shit in Texas. I hope most people know which is the more important story.

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 05:23 AM

I think that a very important story indeed is that Donald Trump is very likely to be your next president.

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From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 08:32 AM

At his Waco Texas rally he celebrated the Jan 6th insurrection on a big screen and claimed the jailed insurrectionists were being mistreated in abhorrent cruel and unusual prison conditions.

The prisoners are actually all issued tablets to post online and search the web. They have the independent option to sun bathe 5 hours a day.
The food is better than Arbys. Visitation rules include daily visitation. It is a typical Club Fed facility for white collar criminals.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 09:28 AM

I sincerely hope you are wrong, Steve. Surely the majority of the US population would not fall for the same con trick twice would they?

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 10:13 AM

> Surely the majority of the US population would not fall for the same
> con trick twice would they?

Why not? the English re-elected the same shower, touting the same lies, three times running; and they look worrying likely to repeat the offence next time as well. But that's a rant for another thread.

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From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 10:54 AM

While capitalism dismisses ethics routinely, most Americans are not outright criminals seeking the abandonment of the security of law enforcement.

FYI: Waco Texas was the site where Koresh was a cult leader with machine guns and wanted for child molestation. After a 51-day siege by ATF and FBI, his compound burned to the ground claiming all but 9 lives. A couple of years later to the day the Oklahoma bombing occurred.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 11:05 AM

The Waco date is significant in certain circles - sovereign citizen types who used to live in a secretive way now are out in the open. Jeff Guinn has a new book: Waco that looks back at the event. Guinn was a journalist for years at the local newspaper but now makes a good living as a deep research writer of nonfiction books. Google some of the interviews - he was on Fresh Air in the last few months talking about this.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 01:16 PM

True MaJoC but at least we are rid of liar in chief Johnson. For now at any rate!

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 04:46 PM

Monday gives the Grand Jury another opportunity to do the right thing. We hope we all know what that will be.

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From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 05:06 PM

Although both are narcissists, Citizen Kane was brought down by a sex scandal but not Trump.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 05:08 PM

A story just released from National Public Radio: It's not just Stormy Daniels. Here are ongoing criminal investigations Trump faces

The New York Times has a list as well.

I found a site called "Just Security" that catalogs his criminal and civil cases Litigation Tracker: Pending Criminal and Civil Cases Against Donald Trump. They started it in 2021 and keep updating it.

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From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 08:29 PM

WOW
The litigation tracker is great.

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 08:10 AM

Big Al you've asked this before, and I answered that fellow racists and bigots see Trump as their spokesperson. Number 2 Conspiracy groups are believers for anything and finally, half of Americans read at a 6th grade level.

Trump puts his hand on his heart and stands at attention to the Qanon theme song. I expect to eventually see his new version of the American flag which will look like a hybrid of the confederate battle flag and the former South African flag.

He would need another miracle like the November surprise) FBI Comey investigation of Hillary right before voting day, but bigger, since Trump has an amazing shrinking base.

Isreal is shut down today because of protests against Netanyahu trying to abolish the judiciary. Democracies are messy and slow to respond but they do finally respond.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 04:34 PM

This little ditty, from Calvin Trillin about the Dubya administration, shows us how far to the right the GOP has moved since then:

Our policies address the cares
Of heiresses and millionaires.
Our point of view reverberates
With folks who live behind high gates
And folks whose country clubs may lack
A single Jew, a single black.
We're backed by all the CEOs.
We waive the regs that bring them woes.
To comfort them is our intent.
Yes, though we always represent
The folks who sit in corporate boxes,
The gratifying paradox is ---
And this we love; it's just the neatest ---
The other party's called elitist.

If that was only what is wrong with them now.

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 05:13 PM

Another grade school mass shooter has killed kids and others.
The twist is that the shooter was a she.

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 05:19 PM

let us pray and praise first responders.
Tenn. gov speaks

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 05:27 PM

she had testicles and was pissed off by the new anti trans laws I suspect.

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 09:25 PM

The popular question is how many more. After Congress people lose their kids to mass shootings or Harvard and Yale have mass shootings some rich parents may lend a hand to save kids. I wonder if fentanyl or Tic Tok kill more kids than guns.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 11:50 AM

Tennessee officials were quick to release the body cam videos from police to show that they weren't like the Texas police. The shooter was apparently suicidal and had told someone else s/he was going to die that day.

More Grand Jury interviews this week; yesterday the former owner of the National Enquirer was interviewed. And in other hearings we learn that the former Chief of Staff and attorney have been ordered to testify, piercing the privilege protections they claimed. But it is so slow. The world seems to be heading to Hell in an Handbasket with all of the shit going on. Put Trump out of business and move forward to fix things.

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From: Donuel
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 04:39 PM

Helena Handbaskit will be subpeonaed. Mel Brooks has been pardoned after all. He just didn't open his mail for almost 2 years.
or was it Mo Brooks?

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From: Donuel
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 05:45 PM

Sometimes I wonder if Roger Stone forged his own Presidential pardon.

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From: Donuel
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 06:58 PM

(C) He's crazy, (A7) He's manic de(Dm)pressive (A7)and (Dm) angry
He's (G7) crazy, paranoid, schizoid and (C) rude (C#dim ) and (Dm) violent (G7)
They (C) gave him(A7) some kind of new medi(Dm)cation (A7) (Dm)
And (G7) lately I think He's murderous (C) too. (F) (C) (C7)

(F) He's so bat shit crazy(C) shady (C7)
(C#7) And (D7) lately I'm wondering what he will do (G7) In (Dm) jail (G7) sue?
Cause He's (C) crazy, psy(A7)chotic and lieing de(Dm)pendent, (A7) (Dm)

He's (F) angry ag(Em)gressive, com(Dm)pulsive, ob(A7)sessive
And He's (Dm) crazy from (G7) catching (C) the (G7)flu

(F) Worried? You bet your ass I get (C) worried (B) (C)(B)(C)(C#)
Just (D7) wondering, wondering just what I should (G7) do (Dm) (G7)
'Cause He's (C) crazy, psy(A7)chotic and despot de(Dm)pendant (A7) (Dm)
He's (F) laughin' and (Em) lyin', patho(Dm)logically (A7) fryin'
Cuz he's(Dm) crazy from (G7) Hong Kong (C) flu.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 09:34 PM

There's a thread for that, Don! Isn't there? Songs about Trump?

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From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 23 - 05:20 AM

A gelatinous Pense doesn't want to testify.

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From: Helen
Date: 29 Mar 23 - 06:01 AM

Yes, but Donuel, Mike Pence may be afraid for his life after the threats at the Capitol riot.

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From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 23 - 06:19 AM

Here is a version worth passing along if you know where.



C) He's crazy, (A7) He's manic de(Dm)pressive (A7)and (Dm) angry
He's (G7) crazy, paranoid, schizoid and (C) rude (C#dim ) and (Dm) violent (G7)
They (C) gave him(A7) some kind of new medi(Dm)cation (A7) (Dm)
And (G7) lately I think he's murderous (C) too. (F) (C) (C7)

(F) He's bat shit crazy(C) (C7)
(C#7) And (D7) lately I wonder what he's going to do (G7) In (Dm) jail (G7) sue?
Cause He's (C) crazy, psy(A7)chotic and lieing de(Dm)pendent, (A7) (Dm)

He's (F) angry ag(Em)gressive, com(Dm)pulsive, ob(A7)sessive
He's long haul (Dm) crazy from (G7) knowing (C) he's(G7) through

(F) Worried? You bet your ass I get (C) worried (B) (C)(B)(C)(C#)
Just (D7) wondering, wondering just what I should (G7) do (Dm) (G7)
'Cause He's (C) crazy, psy(A7)chotic and deeply de(Dm)pendant (A7) (Dm)
He's (F) laughin' and (Em) lyin', patho(Dm)logically (A7) fryin'
He so (Dm) crazy just like (G7) you know (C) who.

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From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 06:05 PM

Well Stilly, any news? :^/

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From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 06:08 PM

Take Me To The Pilot
Song by Elton John

Can you feel that's real, I'm on trial
And now I'm here in your prison
Like a stone in your shoe
I am charged with high treason
Through my syes my throne
Is now a danger zone
Take me to the center for control
Take me to the center of your soul
Take me to the center
Lead me through the chambers
Take me to the center
I am not a stranger
Take me to the center
Lead me through the chamber
Take me to the center
I am not a stranger
Na-na-na, na-na-na
Na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na
Na-na-na, na-na-na
Na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na
Well, I knowt I'm not old
as I'm told, I'm not a stupid virgin
I am smart not dumb.
What I'm told is never, never for certain
Through my eyes, its my throne
Its in the danger zone
Take me to the center for control
Take me to the center of your soul, yeah, yeah
Let me out of prison
Lead me through the chamber
Take me to the White House
I am not a stranger
Take me to the White House
Lead me through the gate house
Take me to the White House
I am not a stranger
Na-na-na, na-na-na
Na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na
Na-na-na, na-na-na
Na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 06:37 PM

On MSNBC last night Lawrence O'Donnell was talking about the breaks - apparently the Manhattan Grand Jury was scheduled to take a few weeks off and in April is that time. They won't meet again until maybe the third week of the month?

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 06:50 PM

NEVER MIND! They did it!

Trump indicted by grand jury in Stormy Daniels hush money scheme

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From: gillymor
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 07:06 PM

Let's hope this opens the prosecutorial floodgates.

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From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 07:21 PM

With the eventual number of charges which will most probably follow with more indictments, it will be as stressful for Donald as being drawn and quartered.

God bless his McDonald-addled heart.

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From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 08:25 PM

Which Hunt will lock him up the longest?

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 05:10 AM

This will strengthen him. You need an awful lot more.

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From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 06:23 AM

Thars money in them thar end dite mints.

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From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 06:38 AM

The indictment is still sealed but The Governor of Florida said he would not obey extradition laws.
Republicans want to prosecute law itself, not Trump.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 01:04 PM

Someone needs to do research into all of the conservative "think tanks" that spawn so many of the really stupid ideas coming out of state legislatures and the US Congress (GOP side of things.) It just gets stupider and stupider out there, and the three yahoos at the top, the Trump appointees to the Supreme Court, make it all possible because people figure they won't overturn this stuff.

Meanwhile, Israel has riots because BeBe wants to take over the judiciary. Trump seems already to have done that. Now we need to riot to get the Supreme Court fixed. Add a couple of more justices or impeach Thomas and disqualify Kavanaugh.

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From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 06:44 PM

I would not interfere when someone is shooting themselves in the foot.

Will Trump return to reality TV in the Apprehendice or comedy like Arrested Developer.

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From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 07:02 PM

Heritage house is an oldie but billionaires prefer more direct input with their own grassroots lobbying groups. Remember Citizens United?

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 11:08 PM

Rachel Maddow tonight talked about how Spiro Agnew (Richard Nixon's corrupt vice-president) was persuaded to step down from office and agree not to run for office again in exchange for the charges against him being set aside or diminished so he didn't have a trial or do time. HINT HINT - they could offer something like that to Trump.

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From: Helen
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 12:33 AM

Yes, but Trumpty-Dumpty will say anything to anyone to get out of accusations, and then he'll turn around and do the opposite when it suits him.

It might work if there were strong enough legal sanctions to throw at him if he goes back on his promise.

I just watched a news item and there were literally only a few people protesting on his behalf outside Mar-a-Lago. A few thousand less than Trump would have hoped for.

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From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 02:04 PM

Right Helen, Trump calls the prosecutor and judge Filthy Mudbloods but soon we can call him number 623586.

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From: Helen
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 02:57 PM

It might not be soon, Donuel. I think the current indictment is the thin edge of the wedge, just a thorn in his side. The really pointy legal issues for him will come after this one.

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From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 03:21 PM

While the wheels of justice grind slowly, I have seen recent expedited rulings by the court. A gradual strategy has some advantages.

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From: Helen
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 03:37 PM

Something just popped into my head. Those scenes in movies where someone is in a room and suddenly, slowly, inevitably the walls start moving inwards with no escape route, threatening to crush the main character unless s/he can come up with a brilliant strategy to save her/his life.

The hero in Hollywood lives to fight another day, due to the amazing magic of film and scriptwriters. Can an ex-TV star pull off the same stunt in real life?

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From: Donuel
Date: 02 Apr 23 - 08:37 AM

I'm so indicted
He's gonna bite it
I'm in a shi[ that tipped and I just can't right it.
So it's decided
I was...misguided?
They know, they know, they know, they know, they know, they got you, they got you

I'll get a lawyer, and I won't take chances
They're gonna offer me some kind of deal
Just plead exterminating circumstances
Or maybe like Cohen, I will squeal

Right now I'm freakin', leakin'
Right into my trousers
If I tattle, that'll
Lead to both of you
Don't go down that trail
I'm too old for jail

Don't be short-sighted
Then help me fight it
Well, if we have a good excuse, hey, I think they'll buy it
Hey, let's all try it...

I am not a crook
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, the Biden, Soros
Mission accomplished
shit

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Apr 23 - 05:34 AM

From Simon Jenkins in today's Guardian:

...Most observers had reached the view that Trump the politician was over the hill. His rallies were tired and his speeches meandering. New Republican hopefuls for 2024 were on the horizon, notably Florida’s Ron DeSantis and former vice-president Mike Pence, both of whom have publicly criticised Trump for refusing to concede the 2020 election. Continued reports of his many misdemeanours would surely lead Republicans to accept his days were over.

Legal analysis of this week’s case against Trump suggests there are serious obstacles in the way of his ending up in prison. A law professor and former prosecutor, Jeffrey Bellin, has pointed out that falsifying accounts can have numerous mitigating factors. Any judge and jury, even in New York, will be aware of the political perils of jailing an ex-president, not least for crimes ostensibly less awful than those for which President Nixon was excused. Were Trump to be on trial for interfering in the Georgia poll or inciting a riotous assault on the Capitol, it might be different. But Republicans find it hard to disagree with Trump’s claim that the New York case is a witch-hunt that amounts to “political persecution and electoral interference”.

Meanwhile, Trump’s team have treated the indictment as the best adrenaline boost a populist could ask for. It has given them a platform, an enemy and a cause...

Unless he's found guilty, and unless the ensuing sentence is outrageously harsh (very unlikely), this will strengthen him. I can also see the risk of charging him with either of the other two offences mentioned, as it could be hard to make 'em stick, but this one seems even riskier to me.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Apr 23 - 06:39 AM

I can see it opening the floodgates for other indictments but, even though it is hard to believe, I have been wrong before :-)

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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Apr 23 - 07:22 AM

Attila the Stockbroker on FarceBook today - seems very much on-point….

”Tomorrow is a crucial day for the United States of America.

For historians - and I have been a student of the period ever since I first started collecting American Civil War cards at primary school in the mid Sixties - I’d say we’re back at one minute to seven, or 18:59. Just before the Harpers Ferry raid. The fault lines are as vivid now as they were then, and that is terrifying.

I don’t do sensationalism or hyperbole. This is a moment in history. It’s 1859. It’s 1933. There’s no getting away from it.

The actual ‘proper’ Republican Party is backing Donald Trump in this initial, relatively minor indictment (by his standards, not legal ones) despite the fact he has a huge string to follow, starting with his criminal claim that the last election was stolen and his incitement to riot at the Capitol on January 6th.

And Trump has published a composite picture of himself waving a baseball bat next to Manhattan district attourney Alvin Bragg who will be prosecuting the case.

Just think about that.

As someone who has never sought out violence but has stood up to fascist intimidation and thuggery all my life, all I can say is: in the name of Thomas Paine, America, do something about this before it is too late.

Evil will triumph if good men do nothing.”

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From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 23 - 07:40 AM

An Englishman named Burke said, "Evil will triumph if good men do nothing". We have been doing something for 50 years. If there had been no Martin Luther King however we would not have 2 black District Attornies indicting Trump.

Trump is like an old profane tattoo on the body politic. Donald will leave a trace whether we remove it by laser or try to cover it up.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Apr 23 - 09:19 AM

Good analogy, Don. That spot where the tattoo is removed should serve as a warning.

The talking heads consider this indictment to be the lesser charge - the weakest case against Trump. The stolen documents charge is sounding very strong with new revelations about interviews with his staff. Seems he looked through the documents before returning some and his staff brought them to him. Then he lied and said they'll all been returned.

In Georgia - well, it's a good case, but it has a couple of strikes against it. A new state law in which the Republican legislature wants to remove prosecutors who get too close to the GOP, for one. That will present some issues, possibly need a side trip to the Supreme Court.

For those who have watched the "Teflon" effect over his whole life, this is a day of reckoning. No matter how it plays out, it is Karma, Illustrated.

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From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 23 - 09:33 AM

Thanks, it was an original analogy. The scar will be ugly.
You are right that the other possible indictments will probably extend well beyond the next Presidental election.

By law Trump is presumed innocent but his recent remarks amount to clip and save confessions.

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From: Helen
Date: 04 Apr 23 - 04:40 PM

I just briefly watched some news coverage of Trump on his way back to the airport and then Alvin Bragg's media statement.

One of the ABC (Oz) news reporters said something about Trump making derogatory remarks on social media (maybe) about Mr Bragg's daughter, I think. It was a brief statement in the middle of other commentary so I'm not sure of the details. In the same segment they mentioned the photo which Trump posted of himself holding a baseball bat next to a photo of Mr Bragg .

Listening to Mr Bragg's comments about the nature of the charges, I am beginning to think that this is not just a minor case against Trump. There are some serious charges and as Mr Bragg said, no one is above the law regardless of how much money or power they have. I sincerely hope he is right.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Apr 23 - 06:03 PM

Trump has been saying things about Bragg's wife. I haven't gone looking for them, but that's a classic move from the Trump playbook.

It was slow moving today, and they won't be back in court again until December, with the trial starting in January. But by then Trump will have several other indictments and civil suits to deal with. This month has a Trump court case each week in different jurisdictions.

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From: Helen
Date: 04 Apr 23 - 07:41 PM

SRS said, "This month has a Trump court case each week in different jurisdictions."

So what we need is a Trump Legal Advent Calendar with little reveal windows to be opened on the date of each new legal event. Fun! :-D

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Apr 23 - 09:10 PM

Helen, I'm copying this from one of my posts a couple of weeks ago:

I found a site called "Just Security" that catalogs his criminal and civil cases Litigation Tracker: Pending Criminal and Civil Cases Against Donald Trump. They started it in 2021 and keep updating it.

That lets you see all of the cases. The list is quite long.

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From: Helen
Date: 04 Apr 23 - 11:18 PM

The longer the list, the better it is, in my opinion.

I didn't listen to his ramblings today but I'm hoping he gave the prosecution some juicy leads for their case.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Apr 23 - 12:10 AM

MSNBC played a clip of him telling one of the FAUX NEWS folks this week something along the lines of "I can keep some stuff" that had to do with gifts to the President (that have to be declared and turned over to the National Archives or the State Department, along those lines) unless it is worth under a modest amount (maybe $400?).

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Apr 23 - 04:08 AM

How many criminals use the line 'It wasn't me, I have been fitted up'? How many people believe them? How many Trump supporters believe him? I think they are a different species of human!

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From: Rain Dog
Date: 05 Apr 23 - 04:24 AM

The vast majority of people who go on trial plead not guilty. Not all of them are convicted.

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 05 Apr 23 - 05:13 AM

> How many criminals use the line 'It wasn't me, I have been fitted up'?

Traditional aside: He may not have been guilty of this particular crime, but innocent? *him*?

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From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 23 - 06:43 AM

As a man of the people, Trump does not deny paying $130,000 in hush money to sex workers. Who hasn't ?? If everybody does it all the time, how can it be a crime? Especially when we are running for office. The whole idea of hush money is to keep it quiet so of course, you cover it up and falsify business records. I bet everyone here would gladly take hush money. It may be a serious crime to pay hush money to prosecutors and judges so they are probably just jealous. HUSH MONEY RECIPIENTS UNITE! we can all use the extra $.
{:-)

Today is National walking day. I bet he walks.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Apr 23 - 11:56 AM

I forgot I saved this link. National Public Radio updates it regularly.

The Jan. 6 attack: The cases behind the biggest criminal investigation in U.S. history

An overview of the cases so far

• Number of people charged, federal: 997
  
• Number of people charged, D.C.: 24
  
• Number of people who have pleaded guilty: 543
  
• Number of individuals who have had jury or bench trials: 68
  
• The number with mixed verdicts: 24
  
• The number convicted on all charges: 43
  
• The number acquitted on all charges: 1
  
• Number of people sentenced: 447
  
• The percentage of people sentenced who have received prison time: 57
  
• The median sentence for those who received prison time, in days: 60
  
• The number of cases dismissed: 5 federal; 8 D.C. Superior Court
  
  

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Apr 23 - 01:15 PM

Forget Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen — this is who could seal Trump’s fate from RawStory.

Cohen eventually pleaded guilty to campaign finance charges stemming from his involvement in the payments to Daniels and was sentenced to three years in prison.

But he isn’t someone who seems altogether reliable given his past crimes. Trump’s defence team is therefore undoubtedly going to do everything possible to discredit the disbarred ex-lawyer, ex-inmate and convicted perjurer.

Does that mean Trump has nothing to fear? Not exactly. So who should Trump fear, especially given the nature of the charges against him?

The accountants.

Follow the money

A dogged accountant brought down infamous gangster Al Capone in the 1920s and the 1970s-era Watergate scandal was largely uncovered by reporters who heeded advice to “follow the money.”

How might accountants hold the key to Trump’s fate on the charges he’s facing in New York?

Let’s start with a provable notion: The former president has a pattern of not paying his bills. In 2016, USA Today reported that Trump “has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades” pertaining to allegations of unpaid bills.

The newspaper documented the people who accused Trump and his businesses of failing to pay them for their work. They included a glass company in New Jersey, a carpet company, 48 waiters, dozens of bartenders and other hourly workers and real estate brokers who’d sold his properties.

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From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 23 - 04:52 PM

The quality of the remaining Trump lawyers has hit rock bottom.
The lawyers say his comments about the judge and his wife being butt faced are opinions and not facts. Technically the DA is in fact an animal, a mammal to be exact. The statute of limitation argument failed and now they are claiming Trump is too old to be a boner doner and too cheap to pay hush money.

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From: Helen
Date: 05 Apr 23 - 05:00 PM

An interesting article on ABC (Oz) News:

Donald Trump's criminal case carries huge risks — and not just for the former president

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From: Donuel
Date: 06 Apr 23 - 07:58 AM

He's back in Mara Legal but he has been advised by the judge to not make violent pleas to his cult. Even so his calls to protest have gone unanswered.

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From: Donuel
Date: 06 Apr 23 - 08:09 AM

With a small donation you too can protect the Golden Calf against the evil baby eating NYC and porn stars!

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From: Donuel
Date: 06 Apr 23 - 08:20 AM

The idolized Wolf of Main Sreet needs your money to afford his trophy; wives, golf courses and golden towers. Make Assholes Great Again.

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From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 23 - 08:20 AM

The absurd support of Trumpism need not go as far as Germany's final solution and Holocaust. But it could. The pendulum of societal norms can get small incremental pushes from victimization and hate politics.
Given enough pushes the pendulum can go so far right that it goes up and all the way around full circle.

Decency and goodness are not automatic safeguards to stop the pendulum from spinning all the way around. Decency is fragile. Goodness and love are an aroma while hate is incendiary. In this time when three major religions are preaching self-reflection, and that God's love is supremely powerful, they are only hopes of faith.
Daily good deeds and condemnation of evil are both required to create change.

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From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 23 - 09:14 AM

The fascist GOP or as I call it the 'Shut the F up party', Is going ramming speed at gagging any speech about history, gender, racism, and rights. Seeing, hearing, and speaking are under attack. Books, representatives, and education are in their sights to eliminate opposition to their extreme agenda.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Apr 23 - 11:47 AM

From New Yorker humorist Andy Borowitz, Melania Sends Thoughts and Prayers

PALM BEACH (The Borowitz Report)—As Donald J. Trump became the first former President in U.S. history to be arraigned, his wife, Melania, marked the occasion by sending thoughts and prayers.

According to Mike Lindell, better known as the MyPillow guy, the former President was “surprised” to be on the receiving end of his wife’s thoughts and/or prayers.

“Mr. Trump had not been expecting to receive thoughts and prayers,” Lindell said. “He’s mainly been focussing on donations.”

Although it is not known how many thoughts and how many prayers the former First Lady sent, sources familiar with her thoughts and prayers believe that they are considerably fewer than the number of felony counts in her husband’s indictment.

Speaking to reporters at Mar-a-Lago, Mrs. Trump said that she would have “no comment” on the Manhattan District Attorney, Alvin Bragg. “I have a saying,” she said. “‘When they go low, we go high.’”

(Another saying lifted from Michelle Obama, for those across the pond who might not catch the plagiarism reference.)

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From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 23 - 04:19 PM

Does the extinction act apply to the orange albatross?

Subject: RE: BS: Joke thread for 2023
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Apr 23 - 10:53 AM

What does Melania see in her husband?

A truckload of documents worth money, high cholesterol and Covid-19

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Thoughts and prayers are with Covid-19 for having to hang out with Trump.

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What is Trump's favourite TV series?

Orange is The New Black



What is the fastest way to get Trump to change a light bulb?

Tell him Obama installed it.

?

Last night there was an accident and Trump's personal library burnt down.

This is a huge catastrophe because BOTH of his books were lost, and he had only coloured in one of them so far.

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Why is Trump unable to be hanged for treason?

Fake noose.


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What condition does Trump take his anti-anxiety medication for?

Hispanic attacks.

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Why did Trump get absolutely soaked when he was travelling down the river?

Fake canoes

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How much does it cost to keep Donald Trump alive?

One Pence.

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What's the difference between a chickpea and a kidney bean?

Donald Trump has never paid more to have a kidney bean on his face.

???


Why do Republicans continue to support Trump?

Because they really believe in taking a baby to full term

?

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How does Donald Trump play darts?

He throws darts and then proceeds to draw the targets around them afterwards.





At a very important large gathering, the Pope whispers to Donald Trump "I bet you $100 that with one wave of my hand I can make the crowd go ecstatic. It will be a celebration like you have never seen before Mr Trump".

Trump replies "I don't think so, one wave of your hand? I will be more than happy to take your $100. Now Show me!"

The Pope proceeds to slap him and the crowd goes bananas!


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"Did your hear how Trump responded when he was questioned about how to deal with Hurricane Florence ?"

"Pay her the same as Stormy Daniels!"

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Abraham Lincoln couldn't tell a lie.

Richard Nixon couldn't tell the truth.

Donald Trump can't tell the difference.

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Why should you never cross Trump?

There is hell toupee

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Racial minorities can play the race card, females can play the equal opportunity card, what can redneck trailer trash folk play?

The Trump card.

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What is Trump's secret agenda?

To "Make America Hate Again

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Why does Trump like to be seen in public with his wife Melania?

Because all of his other wives support Joe Biden.

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What was Trump's biggest challenge when he was elected President?

Finding a cabinet position for his hair piece.

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What is the song "Kokomo" by The Beach Boys about?

The various locations of Trump's bank accounts.

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How does Trump plan of getting rid of the Mexican's in America?

Juan by Juan.

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What did the Redneck community of America say to Trump?

You are hired.

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What did Trump say when he heard a Mexican man wanted to be an American Fireman?

No way Hose A.

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What do you see when you look deep into the eyes of Donald Trump?

The back of his skull.

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Which Disney character loves Trump the most?

Snow White Supremacist.

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Why does Trump always store a potato in his underpants?

He wants to be USA's first dictator.

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What is Trump's favorite nation of all?

Discrimination.

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If Trump had sense of humour, he would die of laughter every time he looked in the mirror.

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Trump Knock Knock Jokes

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Knock Knock

Who is there?

Ray

Ray who?

Ray Sist, but my buddies call me Donald Trump

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Knock knock

Who is there?

No way Jose.

No way Jose who?

No way Jose is climbing over my wall

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Longer Donald Trump Jokes

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Trump gets up one morning, he heads out to his backyard and starts collecting various random stones...

He holds up a stone, and he inspects it all over, he then throws the stone back in the garden and then proceeds to go and find another one.

This continues for a few days until his fellow cabinet members start to get nervous. Pence decides to give Putin a phone call to see if he is able to help them out.

"Hey Vlad! Mike Pence here. We have a little bit of a problem here..."

He tells Putin what is going on who says "rest easy Mike, I will look into this for you".

Ten minutes later Putin calls Mike Pence back.

"He should return to normal now. We accidentally sent him our latest Lunar Lander instructions."

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A group of Scientists are running an experiment on the human brain. They are trying to figure out how well a human brain can function when it is missing various sections.

They start off by cutting out half of the first subjects brain and then ask him to count to 10. The subject replies "one, five, seven, ten".

The scientists are intrigued by this. They decide to cut out the entire brain this time and once again ask the subject to count to ten.

the subject replies "I can count to ten, I'm the best at counting in the world, I have the best numbers, the news is fake when they disagree with me, I think, people, when they think about good numbers, I can count, with any numbers, all the time, better than China, better than anyone."

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Trump is out for dinner at a French restaurant with Putin.

The waiter asks Putin what he would like to order.

"I will have the chicken," says Putin.

The waiter replies, "And for your vegetable?"

McDonalds


Funny Jokes Made By Donald Trump, Intentionally And Unintentionally
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"It's freezing and snowing in New York, we need global warming"

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Trump likes to tweet about the weather and global warming. Apparently we need global warming!?

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"she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her" - USA Today

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It is a shame that Ivanka is Trump's daughter, otherwise he could date her.

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"I look very much forward to showing my financials. Because they are huge" - TIME

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Huge financials? Unsure what this means exactly but Trumps financials are huge! I am guessing over 1000 pages or even more.

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"Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?" - Washington Post

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There is nothing worse than having people from shithole countries come to visit. Unsure what constitutes a shithole country but Trump sure isn't a fan of them.

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Trump's thoughts on using a breast pump for breastfeeding "disgusting" - Mercury News

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Well, it isn't exactly sexy but pretty sure that feeding your baby is far from "disgusting"?

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“If Hillary Clinton can’t satisfy her husband what makes her think she can satisfy America?” - CBS

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Apparently you have to have the Karma Sutra down pat before you can do a good job at being president of the USA. You learn something new every day.

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"I think apologizing's a great thing, but you have to be wrong. I will absolutely apologize sometime, hopefully in the distant future, if I'm ever wrong" - CBS

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Trump hasn't been wrong yet, but he will let us all know if he is

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Geezus Keeerist! but that was a lot of scrolling. Much of it has been shortened - do us a favor and never space a post like that again. It was killing the thread! ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 08 Apr 23 - 03:25 PM

I laughed out loud on the longer Putin joke: "He should return to normal now. We accidentally sent him our latest Lunar Lander instructions."

And re: the "baby to full term" joke, lately I've been thinking about that Trump Baby balloon used by anti-Trumpers in London in 2018. Funny!

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From: robomatic
Date: 10 Apr 23 - 05:35 PM

SNL last Saturday (8 April 23) had a very good opening with Trump commenting on the Last Supper.

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From: Donuel
Date: 12 Apr 23 - 06:07 AM

In his dramatic Trumatic way he described his experience of his arrest and court appearance. "people were crying, they were crying and said 24 sir 24...they said they were sorry for what they had to ask me to do and court was like a jail"...

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From: Donuel
Date: 12 Apr 23 - 07:45 PM

In a related matter, HBO killed Rupert Murdoch in effigy by giving a heart attack to the Rupert character in the series Succession.
Also his latest wife has left him and the judge is pissed at him for withholding evidence in the Dominion case.

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From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 23 - 08:00 AM

HERE WE GO AGAIN - Russian and Chinese bots amplify Trump's arrest.
About half a million bots supported Trump when actually only 26,000 actual posts did.

PBS

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Apr 23 - 10:52 AM

Trump was on the stand for eight hours yesterday answering questions in the New York/ AG Letitia James lawsuit. He can't take the Fifth Amendment excuse for not answering questions because the jury is allowed to know about it and infer that he would be hiding his guilt. So apparently he talked quite a lot. Hopefully he dug his own legal grave with what he said. Trump appeared for deposition in high-stakes civil lawsuit threatening the fate of his business empire (I was thinking this was the E. Jean Carroll rape civil lawsuit, but that is NEXT week.)

And in other news of the truly undeserving in Congress, Marjorie Taylor Green is defending the idiot who leaked all sorts of classified documents to impress his video gaming and gun collecting buddies. I wonder if that was also an incel cell.

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From: Helen
Date: 14 Apr 23 - 04:40 PM

SRS, I am predicting that this will be on his gravestone, "He dug his own legal grave with what he said".

And Marjorie Taylor Green? Just when I thought I couldn't be more surprised about U.S. politicians. No way!

(Although I have to say that one of our Oz politicians is amazing me at present with his stony-faced, audacious, prejudiced, spin-doctor rubbish, so I shouldn't be surprised.) LOL

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Apr 23 - 05:11 PM

There's a group in the GOP who push back at anything they think is supported by Democrats without rational thought as to what they they are appearing to support. They're toddlers in an adult game.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 14 Apr 23 - 05:32 PM

Yes, that sounds similar to some of our politicians here.

Reminds me of that old saying:

Don't Vote , it Just Encourages the Bastards

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Apr 23 - 06:20 PM

P.J. O'Rourke was an example of a well-adapted Republican. We knew his political views but he didn't hold other people's politics against them. I just pulled up his Wikipedia page. They have a quote from him:

In 2016, he endorsed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. O'Rourke stated that his endorsement included her "lies and empty promises" and added "She's wrong about absolutely everything, but she's wrong within normal parameters".

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 23 - 06:45 PM

I don't hold with the concept of compulsory voting at all, but we should always vote. I've just voted in our trade union elections for a new deputy general secretary (a couple of months ago it was for a new general secretary). It's all done by post, the union tries very hard to let us know what the candidates are like and what they stand for, but the turnout is always abysmally low. Low turnouts are not only a blight on the democracy that we're still allowed to have (watch out...) but they also give our political enemies grist to the mill. I always scrutinise the candidates' election statements with a fine-tooth comb and try to pick out the real lefties who I can vote for. This month I can "celebrate" my 50-year membership of the NUT/NEU (our main teachers' union). As a retired member I can still vote for our leaders but can't get involved in decisions about industrial action (and my fees are a lot lower!)

Our system in democratic countries means that we elect politicians who are forced to appeal to us for their votes, and we do not appoint instead faceless bureaucrats. We do need people to run the country and, with a million caveats, we have to cut them some slack. But the keynote of democracy is that we able also to ruthlessly hold them to account. If you haven't voted, you lose the moral right to do that (though who knows whether you've voted or not...) So I think we should always vote, even it it means holding our noses.

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From: Helen
Date: 14 Apr 23 - 07:02 PM

It's a humorous book.

Voting is compulsory for all adults in Australia and I think we have more politician accountability here than in the U.S. because everyone votes. Politicians don't have to encourage people to vote, or play sneaky games with the people who do or don't vote for them. Everyone votes.

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 23 - 09:12 PM

Well yes, but whether that means that democracy is better served is moot. You're forced to vote but you can spoil your ballot or, worse, vote for an idiot just to avoid penalty. Whilst I'm a member of the state, the state doesn't own me. There are many reasons why I might not want to vote, and, in a democracy, I should not have to admit to them.

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From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 23 - 09:21 PM

P.J. was a colorful character as entertaining as Will Rogers.
Truth is funny.

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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 07:41 AM

Compulsory voting is a great idea for DEMOCRACY but anathema for a deplorable minority.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 08:00 AM

Think again. Compulsory voting means that people who haven't got the slightest interest in politics may go and vote randomly just to stay within the law, a very bad reason for making choices. Worse, they may be persuaded/manipulated into voting for bad people as their ignorance will put up little resistance to such devious practices. I can't see how a vote cast for someone you know nothing about, or about whom you've been misled, can possibly serve democracy. Far better to use publicity to persuade people to vote, to ensure that maximum honest information about candidates is readily available and, most importantly, to radically improve political education in schools. Round here we have mostly "independent" local councillors. It can be difficult from what little information is available to decide where they stand, and the fact that they profess no party allegiance makes choice even more difficult. I've found myself on rare occasions unable to make realistic choices so haven't voted. My principles dictate that I always vote, but an even stronger principle is that it's unsafe to vote in ignorance.

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 08:05 AM

By the way, there's nothing deplorable about having a measured view just because it doesn't chime with yours. Your history is that many of your views are at best shaky and at worst uninformed. It is possible to discuss without auto-criticising.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 11:05 AM

I'd like to see mandatory voting. People who don't want to vote may spoil their ballots, but I'd have to think that most people, once there, would express actual wishes at the ballot box.

Next week (April 25) is the E. Jean Carroll trial that brings aspects of the first two week's of April's trials together. He tried to not testify, tried to dismiss this because he was president, and that didn't fly, it just waited until he was out of office. She has a

From NBC:

NEW YORK — A Washington, D.C., appeals court on Thursday refused to decide whether Donald Trump can be shielded from the first of two defamation lawsuits by E. Jean Carroll, a writer who alleges the former U.S. president raped her nearly three decades ago.

The district’s highest local court, the Court of Appeals, said it did not have enough facts to decide whether Trump was acting as president when he accused the former Elle magazine columnist in June 2019 of lying about the alleged encounter.

It sent the case back to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan, which had last September asked whether under local law Trump made his comments in his role as president, or in his personal capacity as Carroll argued.

Of course he tried to make it presidential, but the rape occurred back in his mogul days.

But wait! There's more! From Reuters:
Judge rejects Trump's bid to learn juror names at defamation trial

Donald Trump will not learn the identities of jurors expected to decide at an upcoming civil trial whether the former president defamed the writer E. Jean Carroll, who also claims Trump raped her.

U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan in Manhattan on Friday rejected Trump's renewed effort to require that prospective jurors provide their names, employment and 38 other pieces of information on written questionnaires.

Kaplan said the law was "abundantly clear" it was his choice whether to use questionnaires, and nothing has changed his decision to seat an anonymous jury at the April 25 trial, reflecting the threat of juror harassment.

Lawyers for Trump did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Trump had argued that his recent criminal indictment filed by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg had brought on a "deluge of prejudicial media coverage" that would make it tough to find an impartial jury in Carroll's civil case.

His lawyers said the coverage dwarfed the media attention given to Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein, biotech executive Elizabeth Holmes and Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell just before their recent high-profile criminal trials began.

While jurors would hear much about Trump even in "normal" circumstances, "the risk of prejudice is even more elevated" because of Bragg's case, Trump's lawyers said.

Trump is leading the Republican field for the 2024 presidential election.

Carroll, a former Elle magazine advice columnist, has said Trump forced himself upon her in a Bergdorf Goodman department store dressing room in Manhattan in late 1995 or early 1996.

The trial concerns whether Trump defamed her in October 2022 by saying the rape claim was a "hoax" and "lie" and that she was not his "type."

His goose is cooked legally from so many directions.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 01:20 PM

In a way, the issues of voting Steve rails against were a part of the Adams-Jefferson debates as well as in the Federalist Papers.

A well-informed electorate is still getting straightened out regarding truthful national news. I speak of Dominion bringing a defamation case against Fox. They could have settled for big money but to their credit they wanted to make Fox accountable by trial to the entire country.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 04:34 PM

Donuel said, "Compulsory voting is a great idea for DEMOCRACY but anathema for a deplorable minority".

Meaning that some people in the minority of the population deplore compulsory voting.

Steve, you have said that you vote or don't vote according to your evaluation of the candidates in each election. That's your choice.

But some people deplore compulsory voting because they don't want the people who disagree with their views to vote at all. That is when the politicians and influencers, and especially Donald Trump, try to create inflated and untruthful statements about how unreliable the voting system is, or they try to discredit their opponents using dirty political tactics.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 04:46 PM

> People who don't want to vote may spoil their ballots

.... or (as rumour had it when I was young and gullible) they may tick the first box in the first column, the second in the second, and so on diagonally down the ballot paper till they ran out of columns to tick, just to be seen to Do Their Duty and be out of the polling booth. This was alleged to yield candidates being chosen for having names as early as possible in the alphabet. Or is someone about to say "Bazinga"?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 05:46 PM

My posts are abnormally short but are not gospel. When Steve's posts are not outright name-calling, in general, they are current or past paradigm friendly. I am in general for paradigm shifts.

At least we offer voter registration along with motor vehicle licensing.

Regarding more upcoming Trump indictments, the family should slip him some Xanex in his milkshake.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 05:53 PM

Sorry, Helen, but you need to consult your dictionary about the meaning of "deplorable." It absolutely does not mean what you think it means.


Once again please.

I have not "railed against" anything. I've given you my point of view and I've put some arguments in favour of it. I've done a fair bit of reading on both sides of this debate. Most of the arguments I've read that are in favour of compulsory voting dwell on the potential equalisation of the rich (very much inclined to vote, and to vote right wing) and the more deprived (far less inclined to vote, and, if they do vote, inclined to vote more leftist). That's the theory, but there is very little research to back up that theory, apparently. On top of that, there's a distinct element in that of principle being ditched. I'd far sooner see much better political education, which, at its best, would encourage people to make informed decisions and, just as importantly, encourage them to vote. By the way, compulsory voting is a bit of a canard. What we really mean is compulsory turnout. You can't force people to actually vote unless you are in a regime which monitors every person's vote and none of us here live in such a regime.

There are respectable arguments on both sides of this conversation. I nearly always vote, but I won't vote if, in spite of my researches, I can't glean enough about the candidates on offer. To do so would be undemocratic.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 06:04 PM

deplore

transitive verb

    To feel or express strong disapproval of; condemn.To express sorrow or grief over.To regret; bemoan.

deplorable

adjective

    Worthy of severe condemnation or reproach.Lamentable; woeful.Wretched; bad.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 06:09 PM

MaJoC, that's called the donkey vote here.

One of the (many) actions of Trump and his minions which made me angry was his attempts to prevent pre-polling day voting. What I saw on ABC (U.S.) News was that the people who most needed to pre-poll vote were the ones who would be working at their jobs on polling day, and could not be away from their jobs to stand in line for hours waiting to place their vote. That would mainly affect people who could not afford to lose a day's pay, or even a few hour's pay and then would have to make the almost impossible choice of whether to vote or whether to put food on their table or a roof over their heads.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 06:26 PM

Great that you educated yourself as to the meaning of that word, Helen. Well done.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 07:03 PM

Rather than compulsory voting how about compulsory checks that the voters actually understand what they are voting for or against?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 07:59 PM

Well that's it, innit, Dave. It's all very well forcing people to vote, ostensibly in the interests of democracy, but I'd far sooner employ strong persuasion coupled with bloody good political education. Actually, the practicalities are that the minority of democracies that have compulsory voting rarely sanction those who refuse to vote. The Aussies accept almost any excuse from non-voters. And anyway, it isn't really about compulsory voting at all. It's about forcing people to turn out. Once they're in that ballot box they can do what they like.

The Aussies often crow about their compulsory voting. I'd love to hear from whatever fair-minded Aussies we have here whether their voting system has produced good governance... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 08:22 PM

I mentioned that better minds have debated whether the unwashed public should be allowed to choose representation. Despite Trump's support by the unwashed deplorable public, I support voting for all.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Rain Dog
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 02:46 AM

"Rather than compulsory voting how about compulsory checks that the voters actually understand what they are voting for or against?"

I hope that you are not serious about that. Who would do the checking? How would you check it?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 02:57 AM

Education, Rain Dog. Remember that RE used to be compulsory at schools. How about making a basic understanding of politics the same. With exams before you leave school and attain voting age.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 02:59 AM

Oh, and a little more flippantly, no one objects to you having to pass a test to drive a car. Maybe voting tests should be compulsory before you get a licence to drive the country.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Rain Dog
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 03:03 AM

How much of their RE education do you think the vast majority remember?

Don't let the uneducated vote. Where have we heard that before?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 03:53 AM

Straw man, Rain Dog. Nowhere have I said the uneducated should not vote. I did say that political education should be compulsory. However, this is a diversion from Trump so I am starting another thread on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 12:52 PM

Thanks for spinning this off to a new thread, Dave. I agree, it's an important topic all on its own. Political education and voting.

Meanwhile, the Dominion voting machine trial, a spinoff of the Trump Big Lie and his wacky attorneys (Powell and Giuliani), starts tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 03:46 PM

Mentioning those wacky attorneys always brings to my mind the images of both of them sweating and talking rubbish at the Four Seasons (landscaping) outdoor media conference. I was especially gobsmacked at the weird stuff Sidney Powell was saying. And I still LOL about the event being booked at a landscaping yard instead of the Four Seasons swanky hotel.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 03:56 PM

Don't forget the adult bookstore in the background and the dark hair dye streaming down the face of "America's Mayor", Helen. Those must seem like the Halcyon Days to trump at this point.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Charmion
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 04:16 PM

Dominion v Fox has been postponed for 24 hours. Is that the aroma of *settlement* I sniff on the wind?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 04:53 PM

Oh yes! The dark hair dye. I forgot that.

That media event certainly added to the impression of trustworthiness for them both.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 06:43 PM

The Fox trial was delayed because Fox is trying to settle without a trial. If it goes to trial it would disincentivize Fox and other news orgs from lying. Lets hope for a trial. I wouldn't blame Dominion for settling for 15 billion. A bankrupt Fox would be nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Apr 23 - 07:53 AM

Donald and Adolf share more than a few things like the initial humorous reactions, fake news, make germany great again, and enemy of the state quotes. Adolf had a treason trial and a limited sentence that actually helped him. Time is on our side with Trump's extreme age even if briefly jailed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Apr 23 - 02:59 PM

Georgia's fake electors are turning on each other in hopes of immunity. I don't think the DA knows the meaning of imminent.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 18 Apr 23 - 04:13 PM

Latest news: The Dominion v. Fox trial has been halted. A settlement has been reached, with further details to follow.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 18 Apr 23 - 04:47 PM

Fox News and Dominion Voting Systems resolve defamation lawsuit

"Voting machine company Dominion Voting Systems and Fox News have reached a settlement in a high-profile defamation case in the United States.

"A lawyer for Dominion said the case was settled for $US787.5 million ($AU1.17 billion)."

..........

"The deal spares Fox the peril of having some of its best-known figures called to the witness stand and subjected to potentially withering questioning.

"This would have ranged from executives including Rupert Murdoch, the 92-year-old media mogul who serves as Fox Corp chairman, and Fox CEO Suzanne Scott as well as on-air hosts including Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Jeanine Pirro."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Apr 23 - 05:21 PM

In the rape trial coming up, The Daily Beast reports that the judge told Donald he doesn't have to be there, but he won't make a lame excuse for his absence.

Trump’s lawyers wanted the jurors, who will decide if Trump really did rape the journalist E. Jean Carroll in the 1990s, to hear that Trump would love to be there but cannot right now because it’s just too burdensome on New York City. They asked U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan to issue a formal excuse, but the judge instead signed an order that says the opposite: Trump is very much welcome to show up and can’t complain about alleged insufficient security because it’s actually a highly guarded federal courthouse. After glancing at Trump’s campaign website and noticing that he has a campaign event in New Hampshire scheduled on what will be Day 3 of the rape trial, Kaplan wrote: “If the Secret Service can protect him at that event, certainly the Secret Service, the Marshals Service, and the City of New York can see to his security in this very secure federal courthouse.”

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Apr 23 - 05:24 PM

And Trump's supporters in the House of Representatives are trying to sideline the Manhattan prosecutor: PBS story with a 7 minute video of the report.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 23 - 06:45 AM

When Fox wants to be disreputable in the future they may have to pay another tax-deductible fine. Big Deal, they may want to settle earlier next time.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Apr 23 - 11:46 AM

According to what we are reading this end, DeSantis is doomed. His ratings are biting the dust. That leaves Trump as the only realistic nominee.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Apr 23 - 10:23 PM

At this point, Mitt Romney sounds like a totally rational choice - he was a Democrat when as governor of Massachusetts they became the first state to provide health care for all citizens. He changed parties, eventually ran for GOP senator from Utah, and voted to impeach Trump, so his good name is dust. Obama beat him handily, but that was the last time we had loyal opposition in a presidential race. Now it's the lunatic fringe.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 23 - 10:46 PM

I liked Mitt's dad better than Mitt.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Apr 23 - 01:09 AM

Twitter as a formerly fairly reliable media source has to be kicking itself up one side and down the other for insisting that Elon Musk go ahead and buy them. Someone made money out of that, but everyone else lost. Impersonators Run Wild on Twitter Thanks to Sabotaged Verification System
Now that the legacy blue checks are gone, users are free to pose as celebrities and government agencies

This is another iteration of the Pandora's Box that the Trump presidency opened up. Bad behavior and no consequences for the rich guy who is running Twitter into the ground as fast as he can and leaving a lot of people vulnerable in the process.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 23 - 01:19 PM

AI bots will make people more reliably vulnerable.

In a house that last year's flood smells just like a mangy animal
A man with a gun watching Fox waits for a trespass like a cannibal
The fearful gun lust burns with the video loops of crime on his TVs
When an unknown car turns into his driveway his handy gun pleases
BANG BANG he fires two blind shots into the car as it squeals away
What he can not see is the girl in the back seat turn an ashen grey
As he finally turns around
He says "I stood my ground"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 23 - 01:29 PM

I believe Rupert Murdoch aided and abetted the killer but he would never be charged.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Apr 23 - 04:18 PM

Next up at bat: E. Jean Carroll 1.0: Defamation and Federal Tort Claims Act Litigation

Carroll is suing Trump for defamation after he publicly accused her, in June 2019, of fabricating a rape allegation against him. There was a whole lot of fighting about suing a sitting president and now there are two lawsuits by Ms. Carroll. We can start sorting it out tomorrow.

Trump's rape trial brought by E. Jean Carroll starts Tuesday in Manhattan. The case centers around accusations from the 1990s

Get your popcorn ready!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 24 Apr 23 - 06:41 PM

Meanwhile, back at the Fox ranch:

Tucker Carlson , the most popular host at Fox News, parts ways with the network

"Key points:

- The break comes less than a week after Fox agreed to pay $1.2 billion to settle a lawsuit with Dominion Voting Systems
- Carlson was also named in another lawsuit by a former Fox producer
- An expert says that the sudden ouster will have profound consequences for Fox News, TV news and the Republican Party"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 23 - 06:54 PM

Fox commentator Tucker CARLSON was fired by Murdoch.
Tucker was a stupid person's idea of what a smart bigot looks like and a Rush Limbaugh wannabe.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Apr 23 - 07:48 PM

FOX agreed to pay $787.5m, not the $1.6b Dominion sued for.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 24 Apr 23 - 08:01 PM

Ebbie, sorry, you are right.

The article I linked to is from an Australian news site and they keep quoting the Australian dollar equivalent which is confusing. I think they should put $AU before the amount to avoid confusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Apr 23 - 09:32 AM

A reason why Carlson was the most racist personality on cable news is that he and his staff lifted much of their content from 4 Chan and later 8 Chan which are Neo-Nazi websites.
He might fade away or he might form a media business like Glen Beck or Alex Jones.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Apr 23 - 11:45 AM

Another Woman Comes Forward with Story of Donald Trump Forcibly Trying to Kiss Her

His defense is always "look at her" - not up to his standards to rape.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Apr 23 - 02:17 PM

Donald Trump Is Going on Trial for Rape
What to know about E. Jean Carroll’s lawsuit.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Apr 23 - 03:37 PM

Rupert Murdoch, Donald Trump, and Alex Jones walk into a bar.
Three billion dollars fly out the door.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Apr 23 - 08:20 PM

Some say Trump has 9 lives or 9 Horcrux. I think he is running through them pretty fast.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 23 - 09:27 AM

Sports betting is facing a windfall in 2024.
WHO WILL DIE FIRST? Place your bets!
Diet, blood pressure, and activity will figure prominately in this election.
The simple act of trying to outdo their opponent could be a death knell for both in this sport where seconds count...
Its a countdown to death for their very last breath.
Niki Halley has already placed her bet.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Apr 23 - 02:27 PM

There’s a Remarkable Piece of Evidence in the E. Jean Carroll Trial

It’s the smoking gun of Donald Trump’s treatment of women.

His pussy grabbing admission is finally going to do some damage, hopefully.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 28 Apr 23 - 04:46 PM

Thanks for the link to that article, SRS. It raises a lot of good points.

I have been thinking that E. Jean Carroll would have very little concrete evidence to offer in her case, but *everyone* saw the Access Hollywood clip, even if some of them made lame excuses at the time for Trump's statement.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Apr 23 - 10:15 PM

She told people at the time, but if she wasn't going to act, I can see that after all of this time the exact date is forgotten. Unless something turns up to trigger that memory (and who knows - perhaps someone will come up with something in a journal or note. This is event was pre-email for most people, so it would probably be on paper somewhere.)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 23 - 10:26 PM

The date is not important. Her testimony is credulous and realistic.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Apr 23 - 10:41 PM

There are many important events in my past lives in different jobs that I can place by location and with people involved, but I have to stop to think which year was it within a range of two or three years if I worked in a place for a while.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Apr 23 - 12:51 PM

I know its the subplot of all the Terminator movies but lately, I have been wondering how long it will take a Presidential candidate to have a secret AI advisor. Once that Rubicon is crossed, a running mate or even an immortal AI president could be considered. In the meantime, we have a close MONUMENTAL absurd choice AGAIN.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 29 Apr 23 - 04:05 PM

> a secret AI advisor

Given that the ChatGPTs have a known tendency to tell plausible lies with total confidence (it's called "hallucination" in the trade), methinks Agent Orange would have one in an instant, either as an advisor or as a running mate, and watch the commentators play Spot The Difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 29 Apr 23 - 04:30 PM

Yes, but no, MaJoC! Agent Orange has always had an AI generator implanted in his brain. We just didn't realise it until ChatGPTs were revealed. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 29 Apr 23 - 11:54 PM

Next question: What is his attitude to Mondays?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 30 Apr 23 - 12:29 AM

Is the correct answer, he doesn't like them?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 May 23 - 12:17 AM

Referring to 28 April, 10:26 PM

Credulous: having or showing too great a readiness to believe things.
Credible: convincing, able to be believed

I realize that pointing out glaring errors is on the persnickety side but I still am compelled to do it if only for the very few who use words and their meanings wrongly. Words matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 01 May 23 - 07:20 AM

i have a hard time calling Qanon, the proud boys and insurrectionists credulous. ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE CORRECT. THE TESTIMONY OF THE RAPE VICTIM IS CREDIBLE.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 01 May 23 - 07:35 AM

good recovery

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 May 23 - 07:40 AM

In the context it was used, the word should have been "credible." I'm fully with Ebbie on this sort of thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 01 May 23 - 09:07 AM

lf you all will shut your trap,
I will tell you 'bout a chap,
That was broke and up against it too, for fair;
He was not the kind to shirk,
He was looking hard for work,
But he heard the same old story everywhere.

(CHORUS:)
Trump, trump, trump, keep on a-trumping,
Nothing doing here for you;
If I catch you 'round again,
You will wear the ball and chain,
Keep on trumping, that's the best thing you can do.

He walked up and down the street,
Till the shoes fell off his feet.
In a house he spied a lady cooking stew,
And he said, "How do you do,
May I chop some wood for you?"
What the lady told him made him feel so blue.
(CHORUS)

'Cross the street a sign he read,
"Work for Jesus" so it said,
And he said, "Here is my chance, I'll surely try,"
And he kneeled upon the floor,
Till his knees got rather sore,
But at eating-time he heard the preacher cry...
(CHORUS)

Down the street he met a cop,
And the copper made him stop,
And he asked him, "When did you blow into town?
Come with me up to the judge,"
But the judge he said, "Oh fudge,
Bums that have no money needn't come around." This song was originally posted on protestsonglyrics.net
(CHORUS)

Finally came that happy day
When his life did pass away,
He was sure he'd go to heaven when he died,
When he reached the pearly gate,
Saint Peter, mean old skate,
Slammed the gate right in his face and loudly cried:

(CHORUS)

Joe Hill

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 01 May 23 - 09:52 AM

The only strategy I see that would make a Trump win and leave Biden unelectable is to make some States have a mandatory third party choice for Independents and moderate Democrats. Remember how Nader made Gore lose Florida?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 May 23 - 12:48 PM

Trumps folks requested a mistrial in the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit, and the judge wasn't having it. Trump's attorney accused the judge of having a bias against Trump. (Reuters links disappear quickly.)

Trump's lawyer said the effect of several "unfair and prejudicial" rulings by Kaplan "manifests a deeper leaning towards one party over another," including comments where the judge "openly expresses favoritism."

Tacopina said Kaplan, an appointee of Democratic President Bill Clinton, should have let him question Carroll about why she did not seek security camera footage of the alleged rape.

This week Trump is in Scotland and Ireland playing golf. Is there anything officials over there can to do embarrass or evict the cretin?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 01 May 23 - 04:05 PM

Security cameras would not have been very common back in 1995, so that comment is not very realistic. A long shot by the lawyer. Is that the best he can do? Clutching at straws?

I'm still placing my bets on Trump shooting his mouth off as usual, and shooting himself in the foot in relation to the legal framework. Bring it on!

And there are plenty more legal cases against him so if he doesn't do it this time, there are more opportunities to come.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 May 23 - 11:59 PM

"Hoist with his own petard."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 02 May 23 - 12:17 AM

Multiple hoists by multiple petards on multiple occasions.

So many petards that it will be like a fireworks show.

(That's my hope, anyway.)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 23 - 08:17 AM

An attempted assassination of Putin by drone has failed at the Kremlin Russia claims.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 23 - 08:44 AM

Did tucker carlson wish that Trumper truckers would kill an antifa kid in the text that got him fired?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 May 23 - 11:26 AM

If an AI running mate stabbed him in the back would it be called AI Gore?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 23 - 11:37 AM

Ya know Ai Gore is kinda wooden and robotic.

11,000 TV writers are on strike. They are not getting streaming repeat pay. Producers are seeking to replace them with AI writers for comedy and series. TV may become an artificial wasteland.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 May 23 - 11:39 AM

One tends to think that by claiming that Putin was targeted that the Kremlin is telegraphing what they actually plan to try to do to Zelenskyy. The schoolyard bully chant of "they started it" is their defense if they manage such a thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 03 May 23 - 12:30 PM

I didn't think of that. Poisoning via airports and clothing seems to be Putin's MO. Defenestration is fine in a pinch.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 May 23 - 03:02 PM

Ron DeSantis’ Own Smug Memoir May Have Handed Disney Victory in Their Battle: see the third paragraph. This Trump-wannabe is as toxic as the guy he wants to replace.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 03 May 23 - 04:46 PM

The views of some military analysts:

Russia says Ukraine tried to kill Vladimir Putin but Ukraine flatly denies it. Could the drone attack on the Kremlin have been a false flag?
By Andrew Thorpe

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 May 23 - 02:40 AM

It's not a thread about Ukraine and Russia either Stilly. No comments about that? And are we no longer allowed to poke fun at Trump? Or other politicians?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 04 May 23 - 03:49 PM

Jury convicts Proud Boys members of seditious conspiracy in US Capitol attack

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 May 23 - 03:58 PM

The thread is on target to cover Trump and his ilk and those who aim to replace him. And his court cases. And his loser family.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 04 May 23 - 04:54 PM

I think it is noteworthy that the Proud Boys now want to shift the blame onto Trump. See the last three paragraphs of that article.

So now other key players are also attempting to shoot Trump in the foot. Hoist by the petards of others, as well as his own.

Bring it on!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 04 May 23 - 04:59 PM

There is some sort of glitch when I try to copy text from the news articles. I get an error message, even when I just use plain text by pasting it into Notepad and then copying it but when I deleted the quoted text and just pasted my comments it worked. This is the second time I had to leave out the quotes on two ABC (Oz) articles. Very odd.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 May 23 - 05:40 PM

server is timing out & Max has been informed - see Lyrics & knowledge Search thread above the line.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 23 - 06:10 PM

I found the ultimate Trump Movie called 'Who is Amos Otis?' on Prime Video. However, it is science fiction.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 May 23 - 06:46 PM

Several posts of mine simply won't post.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 23 - 07:02 PM

Nothing personal. It was a glitch

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 23 - 07:08 PM

The Proud Boy insurrectionist leaders and Oath Keepers were found guilty and could be sentenced for decades behind bars.
Garland intimated that higher up plotters and planners could be next.
That might include Rudy and Cruz.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 04 May 23 - 07:31 PM

And hopefully even higher up the food chain to the arch-plotter? :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 23 - 07:43 PM

Yes now that the grunts are guilty the suits are next. Who should be worried? Rudy, Cruz, Meadows, MT Greene, Jim Jordan...Donald.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 May 23 - 11:22 AM

Multi-paragraph or long paragraphs aren't posting right now, Mudcat keeps timing out.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 05 May 23 - 01:38 PM

Being succinct and accurate is a skill in itself.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 05 May 23 - 04:34 PM

Thanks for the explanation, SRS. It was a bit spooky, having some posts creating error messages and then cutting out some of the content, et voilà! It works.

I thought it might have been the quotation marks causing a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 May 23 - 12:45 PM

Being succinct and accurate is a skill in itself. That was ironic in the extreme coming from you, Don :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 06 May 23 - 02:11 PM

I see you're trying to be a baby STEVE, Don't bother.
Its like DeSantis trying to out petty Trump. It can't be done.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 May 23 - 09:46 PM

Trump's lawyers rested on Friday in the E. Jean Carroll rape trial, but the judge is so sure that Trump is going to try to use that as an excuse to blast the case in social media saying he wasn't given a chance to testify that the judge gave him until Sunday to officially declare his intent to testify or not. This is quite a gift, not something afforded any other defendant.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 06 May 23 - 10:35 PM

Just imagine how almost impossible it will be for Trump to rein in his overwhelming desire to blast his opinions out on social media. For a whole weekend! He must be holding his breath and going red in the face trying to control his normal urge-to-splurge on diatribes.

The image of the Trump Baby balloon keeps getting more relevant with each chapter of the saga(s).

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 May 23 - 03:25 AM

Not at all, Don. I just found it funny. Hence the smiley

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 07 May 23 - 06:43 AM

I just read Don's quote and spewed coffee all over my tablet. It was a joke, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 May 23 - 06:43 AM

Every time I see the title of this thread, I read ‘Trump INDUCTED’! :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 May 23 - 06:54 AM

I thought so, gillymor, but it seems I was wrong!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 May 23 - 07:44 AM

Donuel doesn't do jokes, gillymor. Surely you haven't forgotten that!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 07 May 23 - 06:17 PM

After I listened to Trump's recorded testimony, I believe any juror with a daughter will seek maximum punishment. It was depraved.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 07 May 23 - 06:27 PM

It was especially interesting showing evidence of Trump confusing E. Jean Carroll's image and a photo of his ex-wife while claiming that EJC is not his type.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 08 May 23 - 09:09 AM

Life, motherhood and apple pie was an idiom that was often repeated as the good things Americans could still agree upon.
It looks like all we have left is apple pie.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 May 23 - 11:14 AM

Trump made no move to accept the offer to testify. His goose is now officially cooked.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 08 May 23 - 05:26 PM

I just read this article about the war in Ukraine and the mistakes made by Russian General Valery Gerasimov.

I think the quote near the end is relevant to Trump. Why is Vladimir Putin standing by Russian General Valery Gerasimov after four key failures during the Ukraine war?

"There is an old saying: 'When your enemy is making mistakes, don't get in their way.' "

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Lighter
Date: 08 May 23 - 05:43 PM

It will take a unanimous verdict to find against Trump.

In other words, not even one of the jurors can be a dedicated, unacknowledged Trump supporter ready to believe he's the real victim.

Odds of that?   

Stay tuned.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 May 23 - 07:24 PM

Yup.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 09 May 23 - 11:22 PM

Yay!!

Donald Trump found liable for sexually abusing writer E Jean Carroll in civil trial

Recently, around the time of state or federal elections here in Oz a sticker has appeared on the local post box making fun of the conservative Liberal party. It looks like their usual logo but the word is spelled "Liarble" and not "Liberal".

It makes me laugh each time I see it, and now seeing that Trump has been found liable, makes me think he is also liarble. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 May 23 - 12:12 AM

The cherry on top of today's wonderful news was that the Justice Department has indicted George Santos (the lying GOP congressman from Long Island) and we'll learn what those charges are tomorrow when he appears in federal court. It doesn't mean he's out of Congress and the GOP needs his vote so they won't do a thing to expel him.

Trump's attorneys of course say they'll appeal the decision today, but this die has been cast. He is no longer "Teflon Don."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 10 May 23 - 12:44 AM

Given that Trump thought so little of the EJC case that he didn't bother to offer a defence, I would be very surprised if an appeal against the findings would bear any weight. He had his chance and he threw it away.

I imagine he might have been throwing crockery at the wall in his usual tiny-temper tantrum manner.

Bring on all those other cases against him!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 May 23 - 03:35 AM

Trumpers are lauding today's development as a victory for trump, saying that since he was not convicted of actual rape, the whole trial was a big loss for his accusers.

They don't mention the money he's going to have to shell out.

I keep reading that trump offered no defense in the trial, and it is true that he didn't appear in person. He did, however, present the deposition; he and his team must have figured that would do the trick.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 10 May 23 - 06:54 AM

The Teflon Don has lost his nonstick coating and has been grabbed by his wallet again.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 May 23 - 07:14 AM

This will not finish him and will probably strengthen him. Either you get a lot more on him or we should be very afraid.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 10 May 23 - 07:32 AM

Anything bad for Trump goes on his Enemies of the State List.
Currently, a jury by one's peers appears on that list.
Also on that list is anything that did not support his coup such as; the Constitution, the US military, the Law, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the Justice Dept., anything democratic, any critic, and finally Rosie O'Donnell.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Lighter
Date: 10 May 23 - 09:11 AM

I can't believe it. I was actually too cynical.

How can that be?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 May 23 - 12:19 PM

There is a "Town Hall" on CNN tonight that Trump scheduled at the last minute. Hosted at a small conservative university in New England. The chatter is that he's already telling people he wasn't allowed to tell his side of the story in the trial concluded yesterday, never mind all of the extra time he was given to make an appearance. He just lies as it suits him, we've always known that.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 May 23 - 01:52 PM

How can any legal system allow him an appeal? He didn't bother turning up for the trial so surely he gave his chance up! If I was invited for a job interview, didn't turn up and then complained when I failed to get the job, I would be a laughing stock

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 May 23 - 02:02 PM

There is probably a high percentage of bluster and attempt at saving-face involved in those remarks about an appeal. It will cost him more to appeal than he would pay, but he isn't that bright when it comes to money, he just knows how to grift for it.

Fellow GOP Liar George Santos is now in custody (midday on May 10) awaiting his arraignment. Keeping Trump out and whittling down the GOP numbers in the House and Senate are goals number one and two for the upcoming election. We'll have to see who would replace Santos (if an election happens, both Democrats and Republicans have a shot at it.)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 May 23 - 02:32 PM

Thanks Stilly. That makes more sense

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 10 May 23 - 04:26 PM

And the winners are ...... [drumroll] .... the lawyers!!!!

As Stilly said, it will cost him more to appeal than he would pay.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 10 May 23 - 04:54 PM

Donald Trump's most loyal supporters will stick by him after E Jean Carroll trial,

but experts say he should brace for impact

Notre Dame University professor of political science Christina Wolbrecht said the question of whether or not the verdict would change voters' minds was misguided.

"The more relevant question, I think, is whether this decision will be sufficient to scare away potential advisors and financial supporters from his campaign, or get the news media to cover him differently," Professor Wolbrecht said.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 May 23 - 09:35 PM

We watched part of that "town hall" - it's just wholesale Trump lies. Couldn't stand it after about 20 minutes, and it is going on for a full 2 hours. Unless everyone gets up and walks out.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 May 23 - 12:45 AM

Steve Shaw 10 May 23 - 07:14 AM
... Either you get a lot more on him or we should be very afraid."

Sadly, I think that both of those postulations are true: #1.I have little doubt but that there will be many more revelations and #2. Yes, we can legitimately be very afraid.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 May 23 - 07:52 PM

CNN gave Donald Trump a huge gift, and may have signed a death sentence to their business as far as being considered a "news agency." Two hours of unbridled lies when Trump held forth was an embarrassment to behold. I saw about 20 minutes before I couldn't stand it any more. From the WTF Just Happened Today newsletter I get on weekdays:

CNN reported that “it’s hard to see how America was served by the spectacle of lies that aired on CNN” during Trump’s primetime town hall interview. In his first media appearance since being found liable for sexual abuse and defamation, Trump spent roughly 70 minutes maintaining his lie that the 2020 election was “rigged,” refusing to pledge to accept the results of the 2024 election, calling the moderator a “nasty person,” claiming he had the right to take classified documents to Mar-a-Lago, and saying he would pardon a “large portion” of the Jan. 6 rioters. Although Kaitlan Collins attempted to fact-checked his inaccurate claims, the live audience of Republicans and undeclared voters regularly clapped and laughed on behalf of Trump and his false claims. (CNN / Associated Press / Politico / NPR / Wall Street Journal / Washington Post / New York Times / NBC News / CNBC)

I've added in all of the articles he linked to in the newsletter.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 23 - 07:57 PM

I believe that the majority are good honest people,

If you think most people are evil you have bigger problems.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 11 May 23 - 09:12 PM

Also an article on the ABC (Oz) news site.

Trump lodges appeal against sexual abuse finding as CNN grapples with town hall fallout

"Donald Trump signals he will appeal against a jury's decision to find him liable for sexual abuse and defamation, a day after joking about the case during a controversial CNN broadcast."

I assume that Trump hoisted a few of his own legal petards during his rants.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 May 23 - 10:39 PM

I *was* going to watch it, but like Sage, after a few minutes I had to turn it off. The lies were too, too blatant, and the audience was awful.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 May 23 - 11:37 PM

After last night's performance E. Jean Carroll said she might sue him again.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 May 23 - 12:44 PM

The Washington Post sends out a subscriber newsletter and their note this morning:

Trump’s CNN town hall: A firehose of false claims

Former president Donald Trump appeared Wednesday at a CNN “town hall” with Republican and independent voters in New Hampshire. No surprise, there was a lot of material to fact check! We wrote a packed 3,000-word report on his many falsehoods.

We divided the report into subject areas, which included:

• The 2020 election
  
• The Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol
  
• His presidential policies
  
• The controversy over presidential papers found at his estate
  
• Various claims on immigration, crime and foreign policy
  

Please click the link to read our complete accounting.

(You may hit a paywall, depending on how many articles you've read this month if you aren't a subscriber.)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 May 23 - 11:37 AM

CNN has nothing to lose by hosting the Trump and DeSantis showdown in Tulsa OK this weelenTHEY SHOULD TITLE IT 'DUELING ASSHOLES'

Dueling banjo music can be played over them loudly when they won't shut up.

PS Tulsa is also the city of the deadliest and most destructive attack on black people by whites.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 23 - 05:52 PM

I watched 'the tapes of Ted Bundy' on Netflix today.
As a result, it would be accurate for me to say Donald Trump is the Ted Bundy of politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 May 23 - 11:20 AM

Kemp in Georgia was the Secy of State when he ran for governor the first time, and he purged the voter rolls to favor himself. Taking a page from that book, DeSantis is changing state law so he can run for President while still gov of Florida. "Ron DeSantis is using the final weeks before he reportedly launches a presidential campaign to modify Florida law to allow him to run while serving as governor and reduce transparency over political spending and his travel." Link.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 May 23 - 11:22 AM

Those two are doing what Trump would have done were he an office holder when he first ran - they're cheating. And if Trump is elected, he'll try to cheat some more to keep himself in office.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 15 May 23 - 10:47 PM

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/f-me-like-crazy-donald-trump-crony-rudy-giuliani-faces-sexual-abuse-lawsuit-using-same-law-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 15 May 23 - 10:58 PM

It has also come to light that Rudy was selling pardons for 2 million dollars.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 May 23 - 12:13 PM

I read that it is believed - or at least, claimed- that Giuliani offered $2 million pardons but that there has been no indication that anyone took him up on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 May 23 - 01:29 PM

Even a failed Fentanyl dealer is still a criminal salesman.
The sexual abuse evidence by Rudy is far more shocking and detailed than in the Trump conviction.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 May 23 - 07:02 PM

They read through a lot of a charges against Giuliani last night on MSNBC. Power went to his head and his behavior has been abusive and perverse. And criminal.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 05:52 AM

Sasha Baron Cohen has part of his film submitted as evidence against Rudy in court.
Well done. His trap of the NRA is also classic.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:30 AM

Yeah, Cohen caught the old perv with his hand down his pants obviously expecting some manner of sexual gratification from the young actress but I can't find any indication that "Sasha Baron Cohen has part of his film submitted as evidence against Rudy in court."
Where did you find this, how about a link?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:37 AM

It's in print and on cable news/
Poor Rudy, there's no fool like an old
caveman.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:56 AM

Found it, Yahoo News, what a creep show.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 23 - 06:56 AM

Under penalty of perjury, the evidence submitted to the court includes patterns of behavior, 23,000 emails, and audio recordings.
Then there is witness testimony and financial records.
Rudy and Santos have mistakenly followed the new Trump ethics. 'commit any crime and lie all the time'.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 May 23 - 02:02 PM

Sasha Baron Cohen had an actress in the room with Rudy and had to keep her safe and Rudy appeared ready to jump her (Lawrence O'Donnell played part of his interview with Cohen about that on The Last Word). O'Donnell said he can't play or read any more from that complaint against Rudy because of the network standards, it's too gross.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 May 23 - 06:33 PM

Harassment Suit Against Rudy Giuliani Full of Graphic Allegations. The planned sale of presidential pardons for $2m each (to be split by Don and Rudy) is mild compared to the sexual harassment stuff.
"A New York woman says the ex-mayor sexually harassed her while she was working for him—claims he previously denied."

This is a PDF of the complaint.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 23 - 11:55 AM

”BlobNotFoundThe specified blob does not exist. RequestId:ea1ba5e6-401e-007b-1d6a-8acd8a000000 Time:2023-05-19T15:54:32.5082242Z”

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 May 23 - 12:02 PM

Here's the search I did for "published version of the complaint against Rudy Giuliani" - you can track down the results in there. The link above was to a government document, but I didn't save it so I'd have to hunt for it again myself to read it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 May 23 - 12:06 PM

Try this one. The file is 650033_2023_Noelle_Dunphy_v_Rudolph_W_Giuliani_et_al_COMPLAINT_10

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 19 May 23 - 01:00 PM

See Backwoodsman, that's what happens when you go searching for unspecified blobs! LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 23 - 01:13 PM

”See Backwoodsman, that's what happens when you go searching for unspecified blobs! LOL”

LOL, Helen! :-)

When I read through the .pdf on SRS’s new link, I really wished I hadn’t bothered! What an appalling tale.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 19 May 23 - 02:05 PM

BWM, I have enough trouble sleeping already without reading the grisly details. I can already imagine the extent of the crimes, given the well-known nature of the perp.

I did see the Sacha Baron Cohen footage when it was first released. It didn't surprise me.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 23 - 06:45 PM

This the Sasha and Ben discussion I saw;
https://www.google.com/search?q=ben+afflack+and+sasha+cohen+talk+about+rudy&rlz=1C1YTUH_enUS1037US1037&sxsrf=APwXEdd3D2o1nCS2XTt

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 23 - 06:37 AM

In the hunt for the great white fail, Donald is all fat and no chattel, and DeSantos is Scrooge McDuck.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 May 23 - 02:45 PM

A play upon words, Donuel, is meaningless when the words themselves are meaningless."All fat and no chattel"? Sheesh

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 20 May 23 - 03:01 PM

Personal insults are not helpful, Ebbie.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 May 23 - 03:25 PM

Considering that Donald has wasted money he inherited and leveraged money he borrowed and gone bankrupt several times, the "no chattel" part seems about right.

Fani Willis has alerted the Atlanta courthouse community to not schedule trials between August 7 and 14, after they return from a conference they're attending in the first week of August. From the NY Post: “Thank you for your consideration and assistance in keeping the Fulton County Judicial Complex safe during this time,” Willis wrote in her memo to staff and judges. I dislike the Post so I'll stick with just that quote. I think The Hill is readable to all (no paywall): Georgia prosecutor clears decks for possible Trump charges

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 May 23 - 04:19 PM

I didn't detect any personal insult. Donuel's post was pointless and, as such, was vulnerable to challenge.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 21 May 23 - 04:13 PM

George W Bush was known as 'all hat and no cattle',
Comparing DeSantis to a villain DISNEY character is rife with possibility. I just don't know which one is most suitable.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 23 - 07:12 AM

The reality of Trump behind bars brings up factors that one can predict. He is accustomed to a servant lifestyle and will certainly confuse the guards as his servants. Big mistake.
I do not expect good behavior but I do expect obsequious trickery.
'Everything Trump touches dies including his lawyers' is a frequent saying.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 22 May 23 - 08:51 AM

The guy is as slippery as a frog. He may never wear the orange jumpsuit.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 May 23 - 01:03 PM

He would end up at one of those minimum security places for the ultra rich non-violent types (though his words certainly inspire violence, so look out). Or under house arrest at his golf course.

He has cornered the market in orange for his daily spray of face color.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 May 23 - 05:14 PM

Another contender has declared for the GOP post in the presidential race.

And with DeSantis trying to one-up Trump, Florida sounds like a terribly place to live right now. DeSantis’s $13.5m police program lures officers with violent records to Florida
Governor’s incentive scheme recruits officers with history of excessive violence or who have been arrested since signing up

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 23 - 06:46 PM

When Trump gets lawyers those lawyers have to get lawyers or quit.
People have tried to out-trump Trump to no avail. The NYT says, prosecutors are examining Trump's foreign business deals from 2017/
??
Even his ex-lawyer with the outrageous mustache says Trump is going to jail over the classified documents case since notes were found warning Trump to not do it. Even slimy frogs get stepped on.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 23 - 07:02 PM

If Trump does become PRESIDENT FROM JAIL, HIS CHIEF OF STALL MIGHT GET AN UNLOCKED ADJACENT CELL

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 22 May 23 - 07:37 PM

E Jean Carroll seeks new damages from Donald Trump over post-verdict statements

"Writer E Jean Carroll sought on Monday to amend the first of her two defamation lawsuits against Donald Trump to demand at least $US10 million ($15 million) in additional damages, citing comments he made on CNN after a jury found him liable for sexually abusing her."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 May 23 - 10:06 PM

I think she's entirely within her rights, and why go to court again, everyone saw it. More power to Jean.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 22 May 23 - 11:32 PM

SRS, the last two paragraphs of the article are the key issue, I think:

"Her original November 2019 lawsuit has been bogged down in appeals over whether Mr Trump was immune from being sued because he had been president when he spoke.

"Ms Carroll's lawyers said in a letter to US District Judge Lewis Kaplan on Monday that because Mr Trump's alleged defamatory statements were essentially the same, the only open issues are whether he was immune for making the first statement and, if not, what damages he owes."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 23 - 06:13 AM

The very next day he called her a 'WHACK JOB' on national TV (CNN)
That might be 10 million dollars per whack job statement for Donald.
The irony is delicious as to who is a whack job.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 May 23 - 10:32 AM

More details about the subpoena to collect the documents he removed from the White House: Trump was warned about retaining classified documents, notes reveal
Exclusive: Unreported warning contained in notes taken by lawyer Evan Corcoran that prosecutors have viewed in recent months

Federal prosecutors have evidence Donald Trump was put on notice that he could not retain any classified documents after he was subpoenaed for their return last year, as they examine whether the subsequent failure to fully comply with the subpoena was a deliberate act of obstruction by the former president.

The previously unreported warning conveyed to Trump by his lawyer Evan Corcoran could be significant in the criminal investigation surrounding Trump’s handling of classified materials given it shows he knew about his subpoena obligations.

Last June, Corcoran found roughly 40 classified documents in the storage room at Mar-a-Lago and told the justice department that no further materials remained at the property. That was later shown to be untrue, after the FBI later returned with a warrant and seized 101 additional classified documents.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 24 May 23 - 06:47 PM

Stupid gum. Trump will have court appearances in the middle of candidate selection.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 25 May 23 - 12:56 AM

Ron DeSantis needed his 2024 presidential launch to go perfectly to catch up to Trump. Then Twitter had a meltdown

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 25 May 23 - 01:51 AM

Every time I see a photo of Elon Musk, or a news item about him, I wonder when (not whether) he will decide to try to step in Trump's presidential shoes. The idiotic photo of Musk at the top of the article I just linked to just makes me more worried.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 May 23 - 02:17 AM

Born in South Africa, Musk, of course, is not eligible to become USA president. Adviser and influencer, yes....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 25 May 23 - 08:19 AM

Ron DeSantis real name is Ronald D. Santis. His wife suggested going with De Santis. They were married in Disney's Wonderland Amusment Park in an awkward 19 yr old trophy-wife ceremony. Ron is a tad older.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 25 May 23 - 09:01 AM

Around here we just call him Duh Santis.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 May 23 - 12:04 PM

All of these court cases are circling the drain - Trump is closer and closer to really going down for a crime, not just being found guilty of sexual assault in civil court. I have my popcorn ready.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 25 May 23 - 12:27 PM

You and your low-sodium popcorn. A jail sentence is worthy of a Mcdonald's feast.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 25 May 23 - 12:29 PM

That's good news Ebbie! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 May 23 - 04:34 PM

Donuel, to quote a phrase: There you go again...
From Wikipedia: "DeSantis was born on September 14, 1978, in Jacksonville, Florida, the son of Karen DeSantis (née Rogers) and Ronald Daniel DeSantis. His middle name, Dion, extols the singer Dion DiMucci.[3] His mother's family name, Rogers, was Ruggiero until her paternal grandfather changed it after entering the United States from Italy.[4][5][6]

DeSantis is Italian American; all of his great-grandparents were born in Southern Italy,[nb 1] and emigrated to the United States during the Italian diaspora.[1"

And, "Ron is a tad older"? He is two/2/TWO years older than his wife.

I don't like or trust DeSantis but facts is facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 25 May 23 - 04:51 PM

He's probably been out turning over the cow patties again.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 25 May 23 - 07:26 PM

Make Samaritans great again. Good job Ebbie.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 May 23 - 08:47 PM

Thanks for the pat, Donuel, but what I'd like to know is where did YOU get your 'facts'?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 May 23 - 10:00 PM

A Trump toady from Texas, Ken Paxton, the under-indictment Attorney General since 2015 (a slow moving federal case), is recommended to be impeached. By his own party. Texas lawmakers recommend impeaching Attorney General Ken Paxton

Paxton has been under FBI investigation for years over accusations that he used his office to help a donor and was separately indicted on securities fraud charges in 2015, but has yet to stand trial.

Unlike in Congress, impeachment in Texas requires immediate removal from office until a trial is held in the Senate. That means Paxton faces ouster at the hands of GOP lawmakers just seven months after easily winning a third term over challengers — among them George P. Bush — who had urged voters to reject a compromised incumbent but discovered that many didn't know about Paxton's litany of alleged misdeeds or dismissed the accusations as political attacks. Republican Gov. Greg Abbott could appoint an interim replacement.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 May 23 - 05:48 AM

Worrying artice in The Economist

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 May 23 - 06:12 AM

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ron-desantis-pronounce-name.html

Trump will not be the first to run for President from jail. Eugene Debbs did it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 May 23 - 06:30 AM

The story of his wife preferring DeSantis over D.Santis was on MSNBC Morning Joe along with their marriage ceremony at Disney.

The truth is so bizarre these days since Trump I seldom use satire anymore. The truth is now its own satire.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 May 23 - 06:50 AM

CPAC Treasurer resigns over financial mismanagement as bad as the NRA.
Conservatism is now about hate, grievance, and criminal acts even in the religious right. Donations water their money tree, free for the taking. Grifting con man scams are business as usual No lie to take free money is too big.

The first time I mentioned the Oath Keepers was 5 years ago in a group of troubling militias. Today their leader Elmer Rhodes was sentenced to 18 years in Federal Prison.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 May 23 - 07:30 AM

There is still room for sarcastic satire;
CLEARWATER, FL—Hoping that she had done enough to obtain one of the coveted feminine hygiene products, local Florida woman Jessica Calderon filled out a 25-page application Thursday in order to receive a tampon. The Florida legislature included the menstrual cycle as a form of abortion in the killing of an unfertilized egg via tampons.
Dr. Bubba Wilcox testified Thursday on the killing of unfertilized eggs and the legislature amended their 6 week abortion ban...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 26 May 23 - 08:26 AM

That was lame and crude.

My ideal scenario: trump eviscerates Duh Santis on a "debate" stage, ending his presidential aspirations and then checks into a Federal prison.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 May 23 - 10:11 AM

DuhSantis strikes me as a bullied wanna-be bully that would accept Trump's Vice Presidency. Moral decrepitude knows no bounds.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 May 23 - 10:39 AM

He posted the same dismal thing in the joke thread. The JOKE thread...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 May 23 - 10:43 AM

here endeth another week of DT walking round free as a bird, laughing his ass off at those people who confine their behaviour to what is lawful.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 26 May 23 - 04:15 PM

Big Al Whittle, I agree:

"...people who confine their behaviour to what is lawful."

and I would add ethical, empathetic, and a bunch of other essential human qualities.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 May 23 - 07:23 PM

DT has the quality and vanity that only he has all the answers.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 May 23 - 08:14 PM

DeSantis is Diet Trump. Yuck

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 May 23 - 10:10 PM

I dearly hope he is not tRumpdeLuxe

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 27 May 23 - 09:11 AM

The Complete GUIDE TO MAGA CULTURE WAR:

Pardon all convicts victimized by the weaponization of law
Defund FBI, DOJ, and replace the CONSTITUTION
REMOVE WOMEN'S RIGHTS TO HEALTHCARE
Destroy all woke books, media, and Democracy
Make MAGA history the only true history
Keep ; the following goals a secret
Take away all women's right to vote
Remove all women's right to serve
Make our President serve for life
Make minorities NOT MATTER
Make blacks slaves against
Remove the courts
Burn the jews

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 27 May 23 - 02:06 PM

"It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up against your enemies but a great deal more to stand up against your friends."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 May 23 - 02:55 PM

Quote from Albus Dumbledore in, I think, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. Or whatever you Yanks changed the title too because you couldn't understand the word "Pilosopher".

Why don't you just attribute your quotes to who said them, Don?

---

Doesn't everyone on the planet already know where that comes from? ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 27 May 23 - 03:08 PM

"Pilosopher"- lover of hemmeroids?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 27 May 23 - 03:32 PM

Donuel, re your statement: Strange enough many Latin American men voted for the Donald

I thought it was very strange that African-Americans were supporting him as well, back in his 2016 campaign. I'm not sure whether they would still be supporting him now.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 May 23 - 05:54 PM

Doesn't everyone on the planet already know where that comes from? ---mudelf

No. There are are some grown-ups who don't read dismal children's books.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 28 May 23 - 07:09 AM

The quote was in quotes and is firmly in the public domain, but some missed the point anyway. Even Bible quotes are rarely sourced and footnoted in conversation. Hair-brained condemnation as constant as the wind is because the troll would be embarrassed to admit why they hate. The truth would be humiliating to the troll. So let's not speak of it. The aim is to educate, not humiliate.

One reason why Trump was successful in his duping is that most intelligent people have self-doubt and over time it develops into an imposter syndrome that leaves them open to the big lies of the Troll.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 28 May 23 - 07:36 AM

Overcome self-doubt and the path to truth is wide and long.
The feeling of being a fraud or an accidental swindler, as Einstien put it, will go away and free high-achieving people.
Maya Angelou and Tom Hanks both suffered from self doubt that they would be found out. Just having an imposter syndrome is an indication that you have achieved excellence. Thats when you can overcome self-doubt and be free. That freedom leaves you impervious to the envious manipulators.

The paradox is that unworthy people like Trump also are free of self doubt and cause harm.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 28 May 23 - 07:55 AM

Having some self-doubt keeps you humble, keeps you working and keeps you learning. I see Helen on the cusp of learning to fly free of unnecessary self-doubt. Stilly has been liberated for years and the trolls can only peck at people who actually have important ideas.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 28 May 23 - 08:01 AM

I should mention that keb also is free of self doubt caused by abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 28 May 23 - 08:20 AM

Trump thinks he grows taller by cutting the head off others. Like a monopoly he thinks "I don't care because I don't have to".
Well, it looks like he will be learning to care.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 28 May 23 - 01:18 PM

It's hare-brained.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 May 23 - 05:50 PM

It's like watching a slow-moving chess game, which government prosecutor, county, state, or federal, is going to take a shot at Trump next, and ultimately, which one is going to disqualify him from holding public office. (The analogy is a chess game but it has more than two players, unless someone can name some other slow-moving game with lots of players.)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 28 May 23 - 06:07 PM

If convicted several times he is not disqualified from running.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 28 May 23 - 06:50 PM

SRS, another slow-moving (in my opinion) game with lots of players that I can think of is Monopoly, which is kinda relevant because that's what Trump tries to achieve in everything he does.

Coincidentally, this week I saw a UK TV quiz show host state that his family used to bend the rules of Monopoly so that each game would go on for days.

Bending the rules is also one of Trump's key features. And the aim of Monopoly is to monopolise all the money and resources to gain the most power over other people in the game.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 28 May 23 - 07:17 PM

Even after writing eleven books and winning several awards, Maya Angelou couldn't escape the self-doubt that she hadn't earned her accomplishments. This feeling of fraudulence is extremely common. Why can't so many of us shake feelings that our ideas and skills aren't worthy of others.

“I feel compelled to think of myself as an involuntary swindler.” - Albert Einstein in 1955, shortly before his death. Impostor Syndrome is a psychological ...You can check Tom Hanks yourself.

The gears of justice grind slowly but a grand pause after the capitol invasion I BELIEVE WAS NEEDED. Appeasing the Confederates lasted 150 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 28 May 23 - 07:23 PM

And, regarding Monopoly, how could I forget? There is a Go To Jail card! :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 May 23 - 08:32 PM

Slow-moving is exactly right. The democratic part of the world outside the US has watched with dismay how the yanks have allowed someone who is clearly criminal to weave his way through what you laughingly call your justice system into a position of being a realistic presidential candidate (let alone a rock-solid cert to win if and when he becomes that candidate). If he wins, that's the end of democracy, and America has sleepwalked its way into this position. You have powerful vested right-wing interests and you have frightened politicians who are allowing this to happen. I said on this forum many years ago that your politics is infantile. We are now reaping the whirlwind of that. Meet Trump, your next president. Or I'll eat my bloody hat.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 May 23 - 09:16 PM

There are several charges that if he is convicted will prohibit him from running. Sedition is one. If he is found guilty of sharing those classified documents at Mar-a-lago (have they checked the phones of frequent guests? I'd bet they snapped a few pix) he's toast as far as the espionage act.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 May 23 - 09:01 AM

We'll settle for Ron then. Sheesh, and we thought that Boris was bad enough...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 29 May 23 - 10:00 AM

> We'll settle for Ron then.

*NOOOOO* .... He reminds me of the I CLAVDIVS scene where Claudius's two advisers are discussing potential brides for Claudius. One suggests Agrippinilla, and the other retorts: "It'll be like the Lady Messalina all over again --- worse, the Lady Messalina with brains."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Lighter
Date: 29 May 23 - 12:07 PM

Of course Trump can run for President from a jail cell. It's been done before.

And if he wins, he's President.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/06/trump-running-for-president-prison-00090931

But at the rate the process is going, he may not even stand trial on federal charges before November, 2024.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 May 23 - 12:42 PM

He is the king of delay tactics, and has earned the name Teflon Don for a reason. But his luck has run out. Who knows, maybe the GOP in Texas tossing out their Attorney General will give the national party some ideas.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 29 May 23 - 02:09 PM

Stilly is right BUT he is not indicted or convicted of sedition.
I hope Steve's hat is made of cake.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 29 May 23 - 02:19 PM

Like Ron, I. Claudius said "let all the evil in the mud hatch out"
Believe me Florida is muddy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 May 23 - 02:20 PM

Cake hat. Mmmmmmmmm....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 29 May 23 - 06:37 PM

Yeah. If I had to eat a hat I would enjoy cake.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 29 May 23 - 06:41 PM

No he wants to eat a bloody hat. No accounting for taste.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 29 May 23 - 06:48 PM

We have somthing called an
ass·hat
noun VULGAR SLANG•NORTH AMERICAN
noun: ass-hat
a stupid or contemptible person.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 May 23 - 07:28 PM

I'd far sooner eat a hat than see Trump back in power. I call that GOOD taste. All I ask is that I get to choose the material. Last time I ate a felt hat I bloody near choked...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 May 23 - 07:36 PM

By the way, an elephant trainer in Ontario had his Tilley hat snatched from him and eaten by elephants three times. It was still wearable. As it happens, I've had a Tilley hat for 22 years. I'm trying to work out whether I can get it down in one as I'd still like to wear it afterwards. There wouldn't be any other takers. This looks a bit off-topic, though let's remember that elephants make TRUMPeting noises...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 29 May 23 - 08:05 PM

THE WRECK OF THE DONALD TRUMP BIG LIE

The legend lives on from Wikipedia on down
Of the big lie they called Donald's last stand
The race, it is said, never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy
With a load of Bull Shit twenty-six thousand tons more
The real Donald Trump campaign spent millions
That good ship Trump truth was a bone to be chewed
When campaigns of November came early
The ship was the pride of the American side
Coming back from some rally in Wisconsin
As the big liars go, HE was bigger than most
With a crew and good Donald well seasoned
Concluding some terms with a couple of firms
When they left fully loaded for Victory
And later that night when votes were counted
Could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'?
The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale sound
And a wave broke over his railing
And every man knew, as the Donald did too
T'was the witch of November come stealin'
The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
When campaigns of November came slashin'
When afternoon came votes felt like freezin' rain
In the face of a hurricane west wind
When suppertime came, the old cook came in sayin'
"Fellas, it's too late to feed ya"
At seven PM, the election caved in, he said
"Fellas, it's been good to know ya"
Then Rudy phoned in he had bad news comin' in
And the campaign and crew was in peril
And later that night when his lights went outta sight
Came the wreck of the Donald J Trump run
Does any one know where the love of God goes
When the truth turns the minutes to hours?
The broadcaster all say if he had more votes that day
If they'd put fifteen more States behind him
They might have split up or they might have capsized
They may have broke deep and went to jail
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters
Internet rolls, television sings
In the rooms of his golf resort mansion
Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams
The islands and bays are for sportsmen
And farther below Mason Dixon
Takes in what history sends her
And candidates go as the politicos all know
With campaigns of November remembered
In a musty old hall in old Queens they prayed
In the CRIMINAL MUSEUM' cathedral
The church bell chimed 'til it rang FORTY FIVE times
And each man on the Donald Trump ticket
The legend lives on from Manhatten on down
Of the big lie they called lets play dirty
America, they said, never gives up her dead
When campaigns of November come early

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 29 May 23 - 09:09 PM

edit 1

THE WRECK OF THE DONALD TRUMP BIG LIE

The legend lives on from Wikipedia on down
Of the big lie they called Donald's last stand
The race, it is said, never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy
With a load of Bull Shit twenty-six thousand tons more
The real Donald Trump campaign spent millions
That good ship Trump truth was a bone to be chewed
When campaigns of November came early
The ship was the pride of the American side
Coming back from some rally in Wisconsin
As the big liars go, HE was bigger than most
With a crew and good Donald well seasoned
Concluding some terms with a couple of firms
When they left fully loaded for Victory
And later that night when votes were counted
Could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'?
The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale sound
And a wave broke over his railing
And every man knew, as the Donald did too
T'was the witch of November come stealin'
The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
When campaigns of November came slashin'
When afternoon came votes felt like freezin' rain
In the face of a hurricane west wind
When suppertime came, the old cook came in sayin'
"Fellas, it's too late to feed ya"
At seven PM, the election caved in, he said
"Fellas, it's been good to know ya"
Then Rudy phoned in he had bad news comin' in
And the campaign and crew was in peril
And later that night when his lights went outta sight
Came the wreck of the Donald J Trump run
Does any one know where the love of God goes
When the truth turns the minutes to hours?
The broadcaster all say if he had more votes that day
If they'd put fifteen more States behind him
They might have split up but some of them have capsized
Some have broke deep and went to jail
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the con men, grifters, and pillows
Internet trolls and television bull now
Fill the rooms of his golf resort mansions
His bull shit steams like a narcissist's dreams
The laws and courts review his criminal schemes
And farther below Mason Dixon
Teach what Ron's history sends her
And candidates go as the politicos know
With campaigns of November remembered
In a musty old hall in old Queens they prayed
In the CRIMINAL MUSEUM' cathedral
The church bell chimed 'til it rang FORTY FIVE times
And for each man on the Donald Trump team
The legend lives on from Manhatten on down
Of the big lie they called lets play dirty
America, they said, never gives up her dead
When campaigns of November come early

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 30 May 23 - 05:16 AM

I hope that was the final edition, the phrase "polishing a turd" comes to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 30 May 23 - 06:12 AM

Gordon Lightfoot, only a month departed, may have turned in his grave

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 30 May 23 - 06:16 AM

Trump compares himself to fallen troops on MEMORIAL DAY.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 30 May 23 - 06:26 AM

When Ron DeSantis sees SLEEPING BEAUTY he sees the sexualization of children and necrophilia (kissing a corpse). I am concerned he is ill.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 30 May 23 - 06:35 AM

General Bonespurs has sacrificed so much for this country. Remember, STD's were his Viet Nam.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 31 May 23 - 07:10 AM

In a nutshell, the wreckage that remains from Trump is threefold.
1. The conservative Supream Court
2. A historic 8 Trillion dollar debt (not taxing the rich)
3. A race war, extra death in the pandemic and a US Isis insurrection.

Some would include his crimes or global US humiliation.
The Republican Party works to establish a permanent minority rule by voter suppression and gerrymandering representative districts. A shift toward fascism goes together with abject lying.

The world moves on and new issues have emerged like AI and Ukraine war presenting new dangers.
This is only my perspective but I hope others have sharper vision.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 May 23 - 04:15 PM

Even Rolling Stone is in the Trump news reporting business: Trump’s Lawyers Warn Him: Get Ready to Be Indicted by the Feds
The former president has angrily complained in response to predictions that if the Justice Department is going to charge him, then “What about Joe Biden?”

This month, several legal and political counselors to Trump have bluntly informed him that they expect the Justice Department to charge him in the criminal investigation into his hoarding of highly classified documents following the end of his presidency, two sources familiar with the matter tell Rolling Stone. The feds have also been probing whether or not Trump tried to obstruct the investigation prior to last year’s FBI raid of the ex-president’s Florida estate.

This, of course, comes on the heels of Trump’s indictment by local prosecutors in Manhattan in April for falsifying business records. Later this summer, officials in Fulton County, Georgia, are expected to decide whether or not to indict Trump on election fraud charges.

Trump’s attorneys and confidants have told Trump that though they view the federal investigation as “bullshit,” they would be surprised at this point if he wasn’t charged — particularly for alleged obstruction of justice — and have urged Trump to prepare for yet another historic fight. “Looks like they’re going for it,” one of the sources says. “People close to the [former] president have discussed with him what we think is going to happen soon, and how he and everyone else needs to be ready for it . . . it would be crazy not to.”

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jun 23 - 03:26 AM

CNN.com:
"
Federal prosecutors have obtained an audio recording of a summer 2021 meeting in which former President Donald Trump acknowledges he held onto a classified Pentagon document about a potential attack on Iran, multiple sources told CNN, undercutting his argument that he declassified everything."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 23 - 05:48 AM

The Trump Supreme Court ruled that one half of all US wetlands may now be polluted. Only wetlands directly adjacent to a flowing waterway may be protected now.

In some circles Trump's MAGA means makes attorneys get attorneys.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 23 - 07:15 AM

A petite young lady named Reality
released only one document to the press
It was about Russian bots in our elections
That was called espionage
and she served 5 years in prison.

If the words espionage are in his indictment
Trump is in deep feces.
One stolen document was our Iran attack plans
Even if he merely intended to sell it to Iran
Donald could be charged with treason.

Subject: RE: WOKE WAR 3 WW3
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 23 - 07:43 AM

The war on Woke is going violent. Brandishing AR 15s people are destroying 'Pride merchandise', and harassing employees. Boycotting Chic Fillet for their diversity employee requirement is their message. BOMB THREATS and intimidation are being reported. Book bans are part of their strategy. The perpetrators are a small group and 75% of Americans are fine with gays but violence magnifies the woke war.
D Santis is pleased with a wuke war.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 23 - 09:21 AM

HOORAY It's Narcissistic Abuse Awareness Day.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jun 23 - 11:42 AM

It was reported this week on MSNBC that Trump has started asking his people to make lists of individuals to fire or otherwise abuse. The special prosecutor and others are working to shield jury members and staff who work on these Trump cases so that should the most awful scenario of Trump in the White House happen again, he can't purge everyone who ever worked on his case.

That seems to count as narcissistic awareness.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jun 23 - 12:14 PM

Trump pledged, "If I am the next President the prosecutors will be fired/removed, outta here".
.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jun 23 - 05:52 AM

Ah June my favorite month. A perfect month to indict Trump up the WAZOO with open and shut cases.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jun 23 - 03:55 PM

Judge denies bid to derail E. Jean Carroll case because Trump is a persecuted 'white Christian'

Judge Lewis Kaplan dismissed a motion from a Donald Trump ally to dismiss E. Jean Carroll's 2019 defamation case because he's being persecuted for being a white Christian.

Court documents uploaded on Thursday revealed Kaplan's decision to dismiss the demands of far-right Trump pal, James H. Brady. He has been described by the New York Post as "a gadfly who clogs courts with 'vexatious' claims." It goes on to claim that the man "has filed so many repetitive lawsuits he’s been ordered to stop and sanctioned in both state and federal courts..."

Writing to Judge Kaplan, Brady said: "I am making this motion to intervene in the case of Carroll v. Trump, 20-cv-7311, because I am unwilling to sit silent and watch another white Christian be treated as poorly and unfairly as I personally have been treated in the New York State and Federal Courts."

No surprise that Kaplan makes it clear that Brady has no standing to intervene.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 23 - 05:28 AM

What next, will he make a motion that he is a God and is immune to prosecution? Ceasar tried that one but the Senate had an answer to that one.

Christian fascism and antisemitism are bringing people together but perhaps not enough to save their leader. If he thinks he can replace Christ, he is going to have to be tortured to death first and be resurrected, which is not that hard with a big lie.
ah Oh... there goes my satire alarm. It tells me when the truth crosses the line and might cause someone pain. Oh well, its 5 in the morning so I am likely to be honest.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 23 - 02:29 PM

Sometimes releasing documents can get you a medal and not a prison sentence. Daniel Ellsberg released the Pentagon Papers to the NYT.
Julian Assange and Snowden got a raw deal.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 23 - 06:27 PM

While Trump isn't religious he wishes people were more like the Duggar family well beyond his base. The Family Research Council is all in for Trump. After all, perversion is not a problem for Trumpers, it's a blessing.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jun 23 - 08:13 AM

The US is subject to the same danger of religious rule as Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and other nations, except it is by Christianity and not Islam.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 23 - 06:14 AM

Mark Meadows, Trump's chief of staff, TESTIFIED in the documents case.
We don't know what he said yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jun 23 - 06:40 PM

The Trump cases are circling the drain now, any time these things are going to go down (sorry about the mixed metaphors). But I like the image of Trump being flushed or ending up in the sewer.

That extra grand jury in Florida we just learned about seems to be for those Trump staffers at Mar-a-lago who were never in D.C., so the appropriate place to examine their participation in Trump crimes is in Florida. And this is the place where they may be able to make deals - testimony for leniency or no charges in return for telling what they know about Trump and Giuliani and a few of the other Trump lieutenants.

Meanwhile, I knew there wouldn't be many breaths drawn between the breaking account of the PGA merger with the LIV Saudi golf league and news of Trump's gloating about it. The golfers who didn't take the Saudi money have good reason to be pissed that management took the bucks. And Trump just makes like a bandit.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 23 - 06:42 PM

boom   boom    boom    boom    boom    RAMMING SPEED Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom






Things are gearing up.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 12:15 AM

I read this article about Jeffrey Epstein in prison, holding his hands over his ears because a faulty toilet was making too much noise in his cell and he was trapped and couldn't get away from it. I thought of Trump, when he gets his just desserts and goes to prison, with extremely limited facilities and no staff at his beck and call. How to drive a sociopath nuts.

Documents reveal new details about lead-up and aftermath to Jeffrey Epstein's death

"Two weeks before ending his life, Jeffrey Epstein sat in the corner of his Manhattan jail cell with his hands over his ears, desperate to muffle the sound of a toilet that would not stop running."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 04:02 AM

For it is written: “Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says the Lord.”

Fantasising about the prospect of a miserable existence for Trump in prison is futile. There is just one urgent matter, and that is to get him out of the way so that he can no longer influence events, specifically stopping him from becoming president again. The clock is ticking.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 04:16 AM

This BBC article gives us quite a bit of hope.

How big are Donald Trump's legal problems?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 05:35 AM

It is conceivable that Trump could have a scheduling conflict on INAUGURATION DAY should he somehow win. In the unlikely event that he report to prison at 9 AM on the same day, what to do what to do?

Taking the oath to the Constitution from behind bars with a toilet behind him would be iconic. Of course Trump supporters are revolting, calling the law a weaponization of the government. I concede that the law has always been a weapon against crime.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 05:56 AM

Oh yes, how delicious it is to dream about Trump's prospective tribulations behind bars. Just get him there first. As I said, the clock is ticking.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 10:04 AM

When he gets his just desserts and goes to prison? Finish off your Portuguese custard tarts, Eton Mess and Victoria sponge, Donald - you're off to jail!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 11:01 AM

The Donald has refined his art of the deal since his days of extravagance. Like the game show Let's Make a Deal, Trump has found a way to deliver a Zonk to anyone who makes a deal with him.
It's a very American phenomenon stemming from super capitalism.
His true calling could have been a rainmaker for an exorbitant fee.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 12:05 PM

Trump's supporter are revolting. The adjective, not the verb.

One of his supporters kicked the bucket today. If there were a heaven, Pat would never get there.

With Donald, it is the Art of the Steal, to grab as much cash by under- or over-valuing (as the situation dictates) to end up paying less and earning more. That's why he loves this new PGA-LIV golf "merger." The head of the PGA sold his soul and they'll resume paying to play at his golf establishments again.

Trump was informed that he is the target of a criminal probe.

Former President Donald Trump's lawyers have been informed that he is a target of the federal criminal investigation into possible mishandling of classified information after he left office, according to three sources knowledgeable about the communication between the two sides.

Justice Department regulations allow prosecutors to inform individuals that they are targets of a grand jury investigation before prosecutors seek an indictment. According to the department's manual, such a notification is sent to afford individuals the opportunity to testify before the grand jury before any prosecution is brought. The practice also gives defense attorneys an opportunity to present their case against an indictment.

This was the story on MSNBC last night.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 12:32 PM

Good on you for getting the double entendre.
Trump's defense has indicated that they will try and prove the Justice dept did something wrong and it is unfair. Jack Smith seems to be too careful to fall prey to that tactic. The Trump lawyers probably feel desperate for good reason.

If all they can do is accuse the accusers they are toast.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 12:55 PM

”It is conceivable that Trump…should he somehow win.”

When I hear Trump supporters, as I have on a significant number of occasions recently, coming out with stuff like, “He has been put on Earth by God to be the President in perpetuity”, and declaring that Trump is actually the President right now and, along with a group of cohorts, is running the US under cover from Mar-a-Lago, whilst President Biden has been executed and actors are ‘playing’ him and all of the Senators and Representatives in Congress, I’m persuaded that there’s every chance of Trump’s re-election in 2024. It’s pretty clear that a significant number of American voters are probably misinformed and brainwashed enough to bring it about, aided and abetted by the archaic election system.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 01:11 PM

Every attempt to nail him for breaking the law that ends in failure strengthens him. That's the fear that pervades his enemies and the whole of the justice system. In the same way, the US lives in fear of the gun lobby, the pro-Israeli regime lobby and the big oil lobby. From this end it looks like paralysis, and BWM is right. Carry on like that and he WILL be the next president. Fortune favours the brave.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 01:20 PM

Despite a few outliers, most American women hate Trump. Hate that his supreme court overturned Roe V. Wade. Pissed off women will prevail.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 01:30 PM

If they believe that the orange one won the last election then this is his second term of office and he can't stand again. Sorted!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 03:41 PM

In early use desert was often used in the singular, and just desert might not refer to a punishment, but to anything that was deserved. In modern use it is typically found in the plural, and just deserts almost always is in reference to a deserved punishment, rather than a reward. And remember that just deserts has nothing to do with post-prandial sweets, unless it is that the punishment that you deserve is to receive none of these things.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 03:46 PM

You spelled it with two esses. You can't have your cake and eat it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 03:53 PM

If the old fraud is incarcerated I hope he winds up in a facility that doesn't allow Soap on a rope.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 05:41 PM

In middle school my teacher reminded us that desert with one S is the dry place, and dessert has two Ss because you want more. Or something along those lines. I've always heard "just desserts" and assumed it was what someone deserved at the metaphorical end of their meal (or life or actions).

Trump certainly has something coming to him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 07:17 PM

Sorry, my bad. I forgot to put the quoted last paragraph from the Merriam-Webster page in quotes:

"In early use desert was often used...."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 08:54 PM

The etymology isn't difficult. It's just deserts/what he deserves. Deserts/deserves, geddit? Desserts can only ever mean puddings/sweets. Just desserts means that you go to a restaurant and get told that all they have is ice cream, chocolate brownies or spotted dick with custard. Speaking of a baddie who you hope will get his come-uppance as getting his just desserts is just wrong, and always was!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 09:05 PM

CNN has become less reliable with the company power struggle, but I think everyone here can read it (no payway).

Donald Trump indicted in classified documents probe, sources say.

Trump has been charged with seven counts in the indictment, according to another source familiar with the matter.

At least one of the charges against Trump will be a conspiracy charge, a source said.

The special counsel has been investigating Trump’s handling of classified documents that were brought to his Mar-a-Lago Florida resort after he left the White House in 2021, as well as possible obstruction of the investigation and government efforts to retrieve the material.

The former president wrote on Truth Social that he had been informed by the Justice Department he was indicted and that he was “summoned to appear at the Federal Courthouse in Miami on Tuesday, at 3 PM.”

“The corrupt Biden Administration has informed my attorneys that I have been Indicted, seemingly over the Boxes Hoax,” Trump wrote.

The special counsel declined to comment. The Justice Department is moving additional resources to Miami ahead of the expected appearance, according to a law enforcement source.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 08 Jun 23 - 10:41 PM

I get it - you don't get the joke. Ok. But repeating yourself is not useful or even entertaining.

What type of desserts are served by the department of Justice in prison?

I doubt whether they will be of the same level of excellence as the desserts he gets in his usual places of residence. And how important will prison food be to him if/when he is given a prison sentence? My guess is, VERY important.

Whatevs!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 23 - 01:06 PM

I didn't make a joke and I certainly didn't repeat the the desserts - I mentioned the puds in two posts, six desserts, all different! Maybe we should show the posts to Donald when he's behind bars, along with photos of them, then tell him he can't have any. That'll piss him off!

Looks like things are stepping up today, what with charges being made. It said on the Beeb news that further charges could be months away and any trial could easily be a year away. So the campaigning period could be an interesting mess.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jun 23 - 01:09 PM

The indictment is sealed and no one apart from the court knows what is in it except a list of charges reported by Trump's lawyers. The most serious is the espionage charge. trump likes to get out ahead of some issues to spin it. The spin so far is that Biden did this and has weaponized government. To which I say the justice dept. did this alone and that the law is and has always been a weapon against crime and criminals. When the indictment is officially unsealed more precise analysis can be done.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jun 23 - 01:33 PM

Joe Biden needs to step away from the controversies over Trump. So far, he is doing just that and I think he's wise to do so. You don't hear him mentioning Trump. If he were to break that silence, Trump would claim that it's him versus the government and that he's the victim of a witch-hunt. At the moment there isn't much traction in that claim and it needs to be kept that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jun 23 - 01:53 PM

Biden is required to do so. It was Trump who illegally commented on other people's trials.

BTW the indictment is just now unsealed. ONE CHARGE INVOLVES DISSEMINATION OF CLASSIFIED MATERIAL   yikes that's heavy

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jun 23 - 02:45 PM

37 counts against Trump. The evidence includes hours of recordings (made by lawyers who were asked to commit criminal acts)
There are recordings that made me laugh of the people ordered to hide the boxes such as "There is a shower where we can hide some boxes".

Trump has managed to obtain a renowned and excellent trial lawyer.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jun 23 - 04:17 PM

The full indictment - PDF 49 pages.

MSNBC is reading it and discussing on the air now. Fascinating. And Trump will be convicted based upon his own words.