BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 06:03 AM

Posts from the last Trump thread have been moved over here to lighten the load on the Mudcat server, as suggested by Joe. If you wish to visit the first portion (now closed, but still in view, visit here. It seemed appropriate to start with that link to Doonesbury, an excellent source of political commentary in the US. ---mudelf

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Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau for March 27, 2022

Thanks Sandra, that's funny!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 06:37 AM

> Maybe he genuinely believes that it is not possible for him to lose

There's no "maybe" about it. He's a victim follower of Norman Vincent Peale: the constant repetition of keyphrases indices self-hypnosis. This really is a case of "if he says it often enough, he'll start to believe it himself".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 09:51 AM

Norman Vincent Peale yes, but also Roy Cohn. And Cohn was insidious in his persistent misbehavior and was a mentor to Trump. (He was a nasty piece of work, largely responsible for convicting the Rosenbergs, and then serving as counsel for Joe McCarthy.) And I bless Tony Kushner for his Angels in America and making Cohn a major character with enough of his bad behavior in view to educate a newer generation. Of course that was a couple of decades ago now - it's time for a revival to teach the newest voters about Trump's most important "influencer."

Subject: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 10:58 AM

Could any of our American friends explain to a dumb Englishman....?

1) Donald encouraged a mob to attack the White House and Democratic Process.
2) He has systematically lied, and every so often there is a news story about criminal behaviour - but he's never been arrested. Why?
3) A great political party seems to think he is the American citizen most fitted to lead and represent your country.
4) millions of Americans want to vote for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:03 AM

Al, there were millions of us Brits that believed a nicotine stained toad that leaving the EU would be good for us and that a posh blonde idiot was fit to lead our country. Let he who is without sin...

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: meself
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:33 AM

I don't know .... Used to be, when I'd see film footage of Hitler or Mussolini emoting at the podium to adoring crowds, I'd assume that there was something peculiar in the German and Italian cultures that made such obvious buffoons appear to be serious figures, and that no "Anglo-Saxon" society, to put it in that retrograde way, could be susceptible to such dangerous comedy. Then along came trump ... and Boris, I suppose, although beside his American counterpart, he almost appeared dignified, from the western shore of the pond, anyway ....

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:35 AM

Short of reading my 4,738 posts on Trump, I would say many people are under-educated, underachieving, criminally enthusiastic losers who feel that "he is one of us".

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:17 PM

I'd assume that there was something peculiar in the German and Italian cultures ......., and that no "Anglo-Saxon" society, to put it in that retrograde way, could be susceptible .....

The Angles and Saxons were from Germany before they had the sense to move to England.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:24 PM

I don't think the two are in any way comparable.

For one thing Boris has been cast out into the darkness, whereas Donal is knee deep in fan mail.
By and large Johnson was doing quite good moral things( like the furlough scheme) at a time Trump was suggesting injecting ourselves with disinfectant.

I mean theres bad, and theres outrageously bonkers.

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:26 PM

... and before anybody nit picks, I know it wasn't called England until a while after they arrived.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:28 PM

One thing that needs blowing right out of the water, Al: the Tory furlough scheme was no act of charity. The Tories had NO ALTERNATIVE but to bring it in. Any government of any colour would have had to do exactly the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:54 PM

Back when we were overwhelmed with UK political threads and started enforcing the one thread for all of that complaints came in about how many Trump threads were out there and I agreed that the cretin deserves no more than one thread. I have just moved Big AL's discussion into this thread, because no matter how laudable the discussion might start, it would soon deteriorate into the mess that is on the other thread.

Now that Trump has inserted himself into a political framework in hopes of heading off prosecutions that can be discussed here, along with anything else about him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 01:08 PM

I really don't think the furlough scheme would have occurred to a Thatcher government.

None of which matters a damn. The question on the table is, why the sane section of the American population allowed the rest of the world to be threatened by this man's re-emergence. He should be in a jail cell by now. This is the country where a guy got a life sentence for nicking a pizza.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 01:10 PM

NO new Trmp threads!

HOORAY!

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 02:21 PM

They have all grabbed power and airtime through populism, Al. Yes, there are degrees but do you imagine for one minute that Johnson, Farage or any of the other sociopaths out there would not have done the same as Trump (or even Putin!) if they thought it would extend their power?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 04:02 PM

If you want Dave, who knows?

I just can't understand how this has happened.
I mean, can't you remember the weeks when Jan 6th was the top news story in OUR country.

Many of his followers really do not believe in democratic process and openly talk of prosecuting anyone who opposes him. If no one is allowed to beat him in an election. We have another dictatorship like Russia and China and North Korea.

The two things twat Farage and Bumbling Boris are not in the same league of tragedy for the free world.
Might be an idea if America stopped sending us films and TV series about what a whizz bang law enforcement service you have over there, whilst this man openly schemes to steal your democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: meself
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 08:34 PM

"Might be an idea if America stopped sending us films and TV series ...." Might be an idea if Britain stopped ordering them ....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:22 AM

Whether or not they support Trump or break off in their own demented direction, the GOP has a slim majority in the House and will turn it into a circus for the next two years. Biden has seen them coming from a long way off.

Colorado's Lauren Boebert is in a race so close that there will be a recount - it would be nice to get rid that clown. Another jerk, Madison Cawthorn, has moved out of his congressional office two months before the end of the term. Is he still collecting a paycheck? He apparently often votes by proxy - having another member of congress cast his vote, so he's absent from the capitol. He lost his primary last spring so has been withdrawing from the congressional work for months.

By all accounts, when Trump first won he was surprised to win, and when he had to spend time in the White House he was unhappy with how old and relatively small it is, compared to his palatial residences. Melania refused to move in for months, and now that most of his family are "stepping back to spend time with their families," one wonders if Melania would refuse to participate in a campaign, should he get the nomination.

Subject: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp thr 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 11:43 AM

Joe has suggested that to keep Mudcat stable, reducing the number of very long threads is something I might do with this particular thread. So I'm moving the last couple of dozen posts to this new thread and then will close the old thread but link it for reference.

Trump Actions and Effects - part 1

This was the first post until I transferred some from the last thread - I'll leave it here for now as an explanation for what happened. And apologies to Big Al - I could have just switched over to his thread and closed the old one. But whatever - it is done, and his questions are in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:02 PM

You may want to do the same with the UK politics one?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:13 PM

I had that same thought. Later this afternoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 03:41 PM

In the couple of hours since I made this new thread, Merrick Garland has appointed Jack Smith special counsel to continue working with the various Trump investigations and COMPLETE the work. Not start from scratch, but to work with those who are already doing the job and move forward. Saves a lot of time. Trump, of course, calls this political theater. NPR reporting on today's events.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Nov 22 - 04:34 PM

Twitter-owner Elon Musk has reinstated Trump on Twitter. Was it really necessary to spend $44B to bring the Orange One back online? This seems to be where the whole episode has been heading.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Nov 22 - 07:59 AM

Trump has ignited a culture war on of all people Trans folk.

The gunman was taken down by the heroic patrons
Five were dead and dozens wounded by the crazy Satan
pulled down by his armor and beaten until he was still
Heros ended hell but red politicians had not the will
to grab the AR from the killer's twitching hands
That it took patron heroes is easy to understand
The crowd outside gathered and the ambulances came
To carry off the bodies of pawns lost in the game
Some stared in hatred, and others turned in pain
But everyone wished they could feel safe again
The veteran is now a hero but his daughter's friend was dead
We revisit these scenes every week and never get ahead
chorus:
Some blame the rhetoric and
others blame the heretic.
We want some heroes to make sense
and come to our defense
Every year we fall farther behind
as the blind are shooting the kind
It is time to open your eyes
and end the lies that deny.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Nov 22 - 11:23 AM

E. Jean Carroll is making use of a new law in NY State that went into effect yesterday, allowing victims of physical violence like rape to sue their attackers even decades after it happened. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jean-carroll-files-new-lawsuit-donald-trump-alleging/story. If there was ever anyone who deserved it to have people pile on regarding charges and lawsuits, Trump is it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Nov 22 - 11:02 AM

It is a race to see if the Democratic House (until January 2) can get their hands on the Trump tax returns and park them in places where the Kevin McCarthy gangsters can't immediately hide them from view. The Supreme Court didn't block the access, surprising with his appointees, but for now we will take what we can get.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Nov 22 - 11:54 AM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2022/11/27/trump-calls-kanye-west-seriously-troubled-man-in-latest-defense-of-dinner-with-west-and-white-supremacist-nick-fuentes/

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Nov 22 - 11:07 PM

Jewish Allies Call Trump’s Dinner With Antisemites a Breaking Point
Supporters who looked past the former president’s admirers in bigoted corners of the far right, and his own use of antisemitic tropes, now are drawing a line. “He legitimizes Jew hatred and Jew haters,” says one. “And this scares me.”

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Nov 22 - 09:50 AM

To follow up on Big Al's post:
"Could any of our American friends explain to a dumb Englishman....?

1) Donald encouraged a mob to attack the White House and Democratic Process.
2) He has systematically lied, and every so often there is a news story about criminal behaviour - but he's never been arrested. Why?
3) A great political party seems to think he is the American citizen most fitted to lead and represent your country.
4) millions of Americans want to vote for him. "

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The Republican party is now a loose coalition of antiabortion advocates, anti-immigration zealots, gun nuts, climate and holocaust deniers, fiscal conservatives, greedy corporations, Gerrymandering states and pure fascists..etc.. who don't necessarily 'like' Trump, but want stuff he seems willing to give them in order to retain power and stay out of jail. (He gave them a Supreme Court)
   Now, as Trump gets wackier by the day, they are trying to oh, so carefully, disassociate themselves from him as his troubles increase... but find someone(s) else to keep his 'spirit' alive.
   This leads to power struggles, crazy candidates, awkward alliances and the extreme polarization of the electorate we see these days. The 'United' States doesn't mean what it was supposed to.
   The recent election shows that the majority is still trying to avoid an autocracy, but it's not easy when ***STATE'S RIGHTS*** still allows some states to simply ignore certain parts of the Constitution and re-write voting laws.

So, Big Al.. Englishmen are not dumb... but they simply have a hard time comprehending why we don't DO SOMETHING! We have painted ourselves into a corner where our own democratic legal system can be used against that frustrated majority. It's kinda like Monty Python.."Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Nov 22 - 02:26 PM

On the computer I'm using this afternoon they don't have an ad blocker installed; when I clicked on this thread an ad for buying a Trump commemorative coin popped up. Gag.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Nov 22 - 03:50 AM

Acoording to the New Scientist in an article on "swarms" and group behaviour (Feb 1 - 2014 p49). It takes a quote from the publication "Science" vol 334, p1578 and says:

For better or worse, ignorance plays a significant role in the way democracies operate.

Sound familiar?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 11:28 AM

Today's January 6 Committee hearing meeting is coming up in a couple of hours. It will be largely symbolic as prosecution referrals go, but it means a whole lotta testimony, collected under oath, will be headed to the Justice Department now before the new Congress can suppress the work.

Trump's ass is grass. So to speak.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 03:27 PM

Trumps domestic policy leaves much to be desired,

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 03:49 PM

His domestic policy is simply "fleece the rubes".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 04:47 PM

Sounds like he could be in a spot of legal bother. Bring it on.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 11:45 PM

This might be what pushes him to decide to rejoin Twitter. An enabling event. Just as Musk is told that everyone on the planet wants him to step down and appoint a CEO for Twitter. What could happen?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Dec 22 - 09:34 PM

Mitch McConnell today told NBC News that he would actively work against any Trump candidates in the 2024 election. But even if he said it doesn't mean he'll do it. He just said it over again like he has, in more or less the same meaning, in the past.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Dec 22 - 02:27 PM

For 300 years the racial hatred in the US has been horrendous. Immigrants have faced quota systems that prevented their entry. America first referred to an anti immigration policy and isolationism.
Trumps knows his hateful base.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Dec 22 - 07:27 AM

Here comes the 2023 Trump candidacy.. for President.
Its going to get late early
Quote Yogi Beara

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Dec 22 - 11:21 PM

The Trump environment of no consequences for lying about important stuff has shifted, and is about to bite George Santos In The Ass.

George Santos Faces Federal and Local Investigations, and Public Dismay
Prosecutors said on Wednesday that they would examine Mr. Santos, who has admitted lying about his work and educational history during his campaign.

Dec. 28, 2022
Updated 11:14 p.m. ET
Federal and local prosecutors are investigating whether Representative-elect George Santos committed any crimes involving his finances and lies about his background on the campaign trail.

The federal investigation, which is being run by the U.S. attorney’s office in Brooklyn, is focused at least in part on his financial dealings, according to a person familiar with the matter. The investigation was said to be in its early stages.

In a separate inquiry, the Nassau County, N.Y., district attorney’s office said it was looking into the “numerous fabrications and inconsistencies associated with Congressman-elect Santos” during his successful 2022 campaign to represent parts of Long Island and Queens.

It was unclear how far the Nassau County inquiry had progressed, but the district attorney, Anne Donnelly, said in a statement that Mr. Santos’s fabrications “are nothing short of stunning.”

She added: “No one is above the law, and if a crime was committed in this county, we will prosecute it.”

A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment on Wednesday. The office’s interest in Mr. Santos was reported earlier by ABC News, and the Nassau County inquiry was first reported by Newsday.

Both investigations followed reporting in The New York Times that uncovered that Mr. Santos had made false claims about his educational and professional background, including whether he worked at Citigroup and Goldman Sachs. The Times also found that Mr. Santos had omitted key details about his business on required financial disclosures.

The statement by Ms. Donnelly, a Republican like Mr. Santos, added to the growing pressure on Mr. Santos, who was elected in November to represent northern Nassau County and northeast Queens in Congress beginning in January.

In interviews with several other media outlets on Monday, Mr. Santos confirmed some of the inaccuracies identified by The Times. He admitted that he had lied about graduating from Baruch College — he said he does not have a college degree — and that he had made misleading claims about working for Citigroup and Goldman Sachs.

Mr. Santos also acknowledged not having earned substantial income as a landlord, something he claimed as a credential during the campaign. In making his admissions, he has sought to explain his dishonesty as little more than routine résumé padding.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Dec 22 - 12:19 AM

And . . . once again, Trump was able to run out the clock.

Jan. 6 Committee Withdraws Its Subpoena of Trump
With the panel wrapping up its work in the final days before a new Congress, it has also pulled back its subpoenas for other witnesses.

The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol on Wednesday withdrew the subpoena it had issued to former President Donald J. Trump, conceding that the lawmakers had run out of time to obtain his documents or testimony.

The committee is set to dissolve on Jan. 3. It waited until October to issue a subpoena to Mr. Trump, who promptly sued the panel to try to block it.

The panel had directed Mr. Trump to produce an extensive list of documents and communications — including phone calls, texts, encrypted messages and emails — related to nearly every aspect of his effort to invalidate the 2020 election between Nov. 3, 2020, and Jan. 6, 2021. But Mr. Trump’s suit made it highly unlikely that he would ever testify, given the committee’s end date.

His ass is still grass. There are too many investigations, PLUS, the new head of the investigation for the DOJ can issue subpoenas. It isn't over for "Donal John," as one obnoxious Mudcatter used to fondly call him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Dec 22 - 09:50 AM

There isn't a paywall here so CNBC should have a link to Trump's taxes tomorrow when they're released at 9am Eastern time.

Here is the Senate Report summarizing his tax status. (A PDF)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Dec 22 - 12:00 PM

Trump Tax Returns Released by House Democrats
The publication of former President Donald J. Trump’s private tax documents comes amid questions about why the I.R.S. failed to fully audit him during his presidency.

New York Times, if you can open it the whole story should be there, with links.

The release came 10 days after Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee published two reports about Mr. Trump’s taxes as part of an inquiry into the Internal Revenue Service’s practice of conducting mandatory audits on presidents while they are in office. The reports found that the I.R.S. failed to audit Mr. Trump during the first two years of his presidency and did not begin the examination process until 2019, after House Democrats initiated oversight proceedings in an attempt to gain access to his tax records.

“Our findings turned out to be simple — I.R.S. did not begin their mandatory audit of the former president until I made my initial request,” Representative Richard E. Neal of Massachusetts, the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, said in a statement on Friday.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 22 - 04:21 PM

America has always had two sets of laws. One is written for certain races and the poor The other set of laws is unwritten and for the wealthy. The Constitution sometimes crosses that border between the two sets of laws. That's why Trump wants to destroy the Constitution.
By god if they try to use the Constitution against Trump what is this country coming to?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 31 Dec 22 - 06:12 AM

> America has always had two sets of laws.

So has England (I can't speak for the rest of the Untied Kingdom). It goes back a Long Way: "To them that have shall be given, and from them that have not shall be taken away even that which they have" appears several times in the Gospels.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Dec 22 - 09:15 AM

America has a set of laws regarding court cases and procedures that Trump and many rich people are able to game for themselves, at any rate.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Dec 22 - 03:02 PM

His goose is cooked in time for Christmas.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 06:17 AM

> His goose is cooked in time for Christmas.

But he insists on leaving it on the sideboard. He'll end up with cold turkey.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 01:57 PM

Once he's finally charged with something and he's knocked out of contention in future elections, they can stop worrying about all of these investigations, though I would like to see him sentenced to prison time, even if he receives probation.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 07:40 PM

New Years Eve party at Mar a Lago
"Former President Trump’s annual New Year’s Eve party at Mar-a-Lago was packed this year, with the guests reportedly including hundreds of the club’s members and Trump political allies.

Among the attendees were MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell and the former president’s onetime attorney Rudy Giuliani. Eric Trump and wife Lara were also in attendance, as well as Melania Trump, according to The Palm Beach Post. But several other family members appeared notably absent, including Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump."

Apparently he included a press opportunity but none of the cable news agencies attended. Poor widdle Donald.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 07:54 PM

did he really invite fake news media, or are they all Truth(full) media?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 11:39 PM

I didn't delve deeply into that, just glanced through a Yahoo blurb about a press opportunity that the networks ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 12:51 AM

only the fake news media would ignore him ....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 02:08 AM

There is a fine old Americanism which may have outlived most American minds by now:

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." This is kind of sad because it displays an implicit self confidence that the average American was competent to parse reality with enough success to figure it out.

This is why I was so depressed by the performance of many Americqans in the 2016 election. And here SIX YEARS LATER the supposedly canny citizens of New York prove themselves PDS (PrettyDamnSusceptible) to the mouthings of a guy in a relatively clean brown suit who practises a little resume inflation.

Unless he actually stole enough money to arouse the cupidity of his co-sponsers, he falls into that democratic basin of a-legality that allows votes to supplement good order, law and morality.

This is something that Trump has not led us to, but has shown us as in a mirror of shame and stupidity.
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 05:02 AM

its one of those anomalies.
during the war, apparently you were lucky if you could get 10 woodbines - yet there was Churchill with an inexhaustible supply of Cuban cigars. Apparently some people did resent that, but not the majority.

Now we have Trump who doesn't pay any tax, though most people do.
Apparently some people do resent that, but not the majority.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 10:41 AM

Trump pushes for tri-partisanship and then rule by Royalty.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 10:49 AM

From Grammarist:

The saying, Fool Me Once, Shame on You; Fool Me Twice, Shame on Me was first used in 1650 by politician Anthony Weldon. It’s a witty way to say that you should learn from someone’s tricks on you. If you don’t, you’re the only one to blame.

Weldon was an English 17th Century courtier and politician.

I looked it up. That's one of those quotes that could as easily be attributed to Mark Twain (who may also have said it, or something more clever along those lines.)

That Long Island con man has operated under the national radar until now. Chances are he doesn't have the personal fortune to play the same massive shell game that Trump has managed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jan 23 - 01:05 PM

Electoral Count Act reforms are a resounding victory for bipartisanship and democracy

A quick read, showing that bi-partisan cooperation is still possible. And Trump's tactic is now impossible to pull off (his alternative electors plot).

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 05:10 AM

I was alarmed to hear today that half of all Americans believe that there was fraud (along the lines of the Trump allegations) during the last election, and that about 20% think that the Jan 6 attack was in some way justified. These numbers are increasing, the latter having doubled.

Putting Trump behind bars may mean he can't become president, but it doesn't mean he can't become a martyr.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 11:41 AM

I've heard the reverse, that those numbers of true believers are decreasing.

It would be nice if they could drive the Congressional January 6 participants out of office, that would be one way to take the Speaker's gavel away from McCarthy. There are more than four of them, the current lead the GOP has. Enablers, line-straddlers and quiet resisters: How GOP lawmakers contributed to Jan. 6

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 12:17 PM

I can't remember where I saw that now, but a quick trawl found this bunch of bullet points in the Daily Mail (I definitely didn't first read it there!). Apparently, the figures were obtained in a YouGov poll of 1500 Americans. Hmm. Daily Mail...YouGov... *gulp*

-Americans by a wide margin disapprove of the pro-Trump attack on the Capitol
-But the number of people who endorse it has grown these past two years
-The share of approving Americans has risen from 9 to 20 percent
-Startlingly, the biggest shift in opinion has been among Democrats
-The share of approving Democrats has risen from 3 to 16 percent

Details, if you really want them, in the Mail if you google "Support for the January 6 attack on the US Capitol has more than doubled..."

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 01:28 PM

Dark money is supporting a lot of the members of the insurgency, I read that this morning. Trying to turn them into "patriots."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 11:36 AM

The MAGA folks in the GOP now intend to defund, one agency or individual at a time, anyone they don't like.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 01:54 PM

In two weeks it will be revealed if Trump is to be indicted in Georgia.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 04:06 PM

Should that be on the precognition thread?

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 04:23 PM

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 04:54 PM

It's unfortunate, but probably not unusual, that when Biden's attorneys were clearing out an office he used at a U of Pennsylvania think tank where he spent some time as vice president, they found a few classified documents. They notified the National Archives immediately and they were retrieved from their locked closet the next day. Unfortunate because Trump is going to try to use it for all he can to suggest that he should be able to keep the documents he had OR that Biden should be charged, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 06:10 PM

I just read another headline about another ancient stash of classified papers, but I haven't read the article. It could be that when the Trump thing happened everyone was told "go check your own papers and lets get this all cleared up." The fact that Trump tried all sorts of prevarication and resistance to returning papers the Archives knew he had means he committed a crime where other omissions of returning may be just an oversight. Makes it harder for the AG to make a case, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jan 23 - 09:30 PM

While at the gym today one of the televisions over the equipment was tuned to FAUX News. I couldn't hear it, thank dog, but the whole time the chiaron ran about Hunter Biden and Biden's stashed top secret documents. There isn't a story there, but they'll make it into one if they can.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 06:06 AM

For the life of me I can't understand why Biden didn't sneak those papers out of the way as soon as the Trump documents outrage came to light. Tsk.

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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 08:11 AM

Probably forgot he had them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 08:55 AM

In Bizzaro world there may exist anti-plumbers who plant documents and don't steal them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 10:33 AM

That's an armed-forces tiger-team tactic, Donuel: leave a note reading "Your code books have been stolen" on top of the code books in your secure safe. Successful penetrations are promptly followed by snap site inspections, and the fan changes colour abruptly.

In this case, however, methinks Hanlon's Razor is more likely to apply IRL.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 10:59 AM

If you're a rational, prudent person and your predecessor is charged with holding onto top secret papers and refusing to return them, it should occur to you, if I'd been in a place where those documents came your way, to check your own files and see if any got left behind. It sounds like this is what happened.

If Bush or Carter or Clinton or anyone else has old documents like this they returned them quietly or they're so old to be harmless now. Hillary was put through the ringer over her private email server and was found to be without malice and no charges filed. That would be the reasonable outcome with any of these others, and the sooner it is taken care of, the better.

Trump is in his own toxic case a souvenir collector and I bet if you checked the phones of his visitors to the White House or Mar-a-Lago that you'll find they snapped a few photos of those documents Trump was waving around.

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From: Charmion
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 02:47 PM

Classified records turn up in the strangest places.

Some forty tears ago, a Canadian submarine skipper died and left his professional papers to the Public Archives (as it then was). The collection was packed up at the old salt’s house in Esquimalt, trucked to Ottawa, and in due course accessioned. It came to me, then a student on a four-month stage, to be “arranged”, as they say in the racket.

Three cubic-foot storage boxes and two weeks into the project, I found a four-inch file box tightly packed with Secret and Top Secret documents about nuclear warheads for torpedoes and performance studies of the then brand-new Oberon class of diesel-electric boats.

After his command tour, the skipper was posted to the Operations branch at Naval Headquarters. It was deep in the Cold War and a time of frantic security theatre, but he nevertheless took work home — and forgot some of his reference materials.

The world continued to revolve on its axis.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 23 - 02:28 PM

Where is the final resolution, if any, in that story?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 08:26 AM

Could the Democrats be playing chess while the Republicans are playing checkers? I can imagine that Biden reviewed the classified report on the Steele dossier that included the famous Russian Pee video. Not knowing this, Republicans will cry out that the documents must be made public, at which time Democrats will appear to reluctantly give in.
Hijinks ensue.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 11:52 AM

That last remark appears to be a brain fart - have you suddenly gone back in time six years? It made an impact when it first came out, but surely Biden didn't have the Trump pee video stashed in the locked garage cabinet. So much water under the bridge since then (or pee over the dam. . . )

In the alternate universe of Trumpville, Matt Gaetz says Trump should pick Sarah Huckabee Sanders or Kristi Noem as his running mate to get votes from women who don't like him for his VP running mate next time. Gaetz hasn't sussed that women despise those two fools also.

Trump announced on November 15 that he is running for president again in 2024. This is his third presidential run: He won his first race against Clinton in 2016 and lost to President Joe Biden in 2020.

In October, The New York Times Magazine journalist Robert Draper told the Daily Beast that Trump has "repeatedly" discussed choosing Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene as his running mate. Draper said this is because Greene has been "unflaggingly loyal" to the former president through a litany of scandals and lawsuits.

In January, The Daily Beast also reported, citing two sources who have spoken to Trump and an unnamed GOP strategist, that Trump has mostly been considering female running mates for his 2024 campaign. GOP Reps. Elise Stefanik and Greene, as well as former Democratic congresswoman and presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard, have been floated as candidates, per the Daily Beast.

Such incompetence packed into the top of one political party.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 11:55 AM

And firmly in the Trump Sock Puppet school of governance, New details link George Santos to cousin of sanctioned Russian oligarch
The New York congressman once claimed Andrew Intrater’s company was his “client,” while another Intrater company allegedly made a deposit with a firm where Santos worked

George Santos, the freshman Republican congressman from New York who lied about his biography, has deeper ties than previously known to a businessman who cultivated close links with a onetime Trump confidant and who is the cousin of a sanctioned Russian oligarch, according to video footage and court documents.

Andrew Intrater and his wife each gave the maximum $5,800 to Santos’ main campaign committee and tens of thousands more since 2020 to committees linked to him, according to filings with the Federal Election Commission. Intrater’s cousin is Russian billionaire Viktor Vekselberg, who has been sanctioned by the U.S. government for his role in the Russian energy industry.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 03:25 PM

I imagined it would be funny, but farts are funny too.

Oligarch WOOF! It seems Russia is involved again afterall.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 03:49 PM

"It’s not like Ukraine is a great democracy. It’s a totalitarian regime. They’re not a great bastion of freedom,” said Santos. He has insisted that Ukraine “welcomed the Russians into their provinces”—an apparent reference to President Vladimir Putin’s 2014 invasion to prop up rogue separatist parties—and that Ukrainians in the east “feel more Russian than Ukrainian,” even though every single Ukrainian province overwhelmingly voted for independence in 1991.

It was not the first time Devolder-Santos had parroted Kremlin talking points. In the weeks before Putin’s brutal, blundering attack upon his western neighbor, the candidate repeatedly took to Twitter to accuse President Joe Biden of plotting to “start a war” with Russia and deploy American troops to Ukraine. - Daily Beast

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 04:43 PM

ODE TO GEORGE SANTOS (what a load)

The only way to get what you want is to become a liar BEYOND COMPARE.
Can you do that?
My dear, Santos. That's what Trump does. It's what Putin lives for.
To help unfortunate folks like yourself.
Poor souls with no one else to turn to.
I admit that in the past lies have been nasty
They weren't kidding when they called me, well, SATAN prince of lies
But you'll find that nowadays
I've mended all my ways
Repented, seen the light, and made a switch
Got it? Yes.
And I, fortunately, know a little magic
It's a talent that I always have possessed
And dear George, please don't laugh
I use it on behalf
Of the miserable, the lonely, and pathetic
unfortunate souls
In pain, in need
This one longing to appear richer
That one wants to get the girl
And do I help them?
Yes, indeed
Those poor unfortunate souls
So sad, so true
They come flocking to my dungeon
Crying, "Spells, Satan, please!"
And I help them!
Yes I do
Now it's happened once or twice
Someone couldn't pay the price
And I'm afraid I had to rake 'em 'cross the coals
Yes I've had the odd complaint
But on the whole I've been a saint
To those poor unfortunate souls
Have we got a deal?
If I become truthful, I'll never be with my father or sisters again.
But you'll have your man, heh heh. Life's full of tough choices, isn't it? Heh heh.
Oh, and there is one more thing.
We haven't discussed the subject of payment.
But I don't have-
I'm not asking much, just a token really, a trifle!
What I want from you is - your reputation.
And after all dear, what is embellished babble for?
Come on, they're not all that impressed with honesty
Even voters avoid it when they can
But they dote and swoon and fawn
On a man who lies all he can
Come on you poor unfortunate soul
Go ahead!
Make your choice!
I'm a very busy devi and I haven't got all day
It won't cost much
Just your life
You poor unfortunate soul
It's sad but true
If you want to win a seat among others of deceit
You've got the pay the toll
Take your arm and go ahead, reach
And go ahead and sign the scroll
AHHH
The boss is on a roll
This poor unfortunate soul
Come winds of the Caspian Sea
Now, LIE!
Aah... lie beyond compare!
Keep LIEING!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Jan 23 - 06:56 PM

I believe Trump is claiming credit for exposing the current corrupt regime (which regime? You name it!) based on his post incumbancy behaviour. I remember when he took credit for verifying Obama's Americanness based on his campaign to declare him a foreigner.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jan 23 - 07:05 PM

Robo, you're alive!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 07:41 AM

Narcissists will never change so I expected Trump to return to Twitter.
The election denier and losing candidate in New Mexico was arrested for shooting up the homes of winning Democratic candidates.
The cold Civil War continues among the criminal element.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 10:31 AM

Wow. Even the evangelicals have had enough of Donald Trump.

Just days before Donald Trump hosts his first 2024 event in South Carolina, a state whose evangelical population has long played a critical role in its presidential primary, the former president is lashing out at religious conservatives who have declined to endorse his third presidential campaign.

Trump’s comments to conservative journalist David Brody in a podcast interview Monday, in which he decried the “disloyalty” of evangelical leaders who have withheld public support for his campaign, were the latest in a series of bewildering remarks he’s made about one of the most critical voting blocs in a Republican primary.

“Nobody has ever done more for Right to Life than Donald Trump. I put three Supreme Court justices, who all voted, and they got something that they’ve been fighting for 64 years, for many, many years,’” Trump told Brody, referring to the Supreme Court’s overturning of federal abortion rights in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision last summer.

“There’s great disloyalty in the world of politics and that’s a sign of disloyalty,” Trump continued, bemoaning evangelical leaders who have declined to support his latest campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 11:09 AM

In chess the king is at great disadvantage without the bishops.
The same with authoritarian politics.

It is my belief that the teachings of religion is always to suppress freedom and adore the boss, overlord or God. This allows a king a legitimacy since the minions are taught to want and need a leader who is always there to decide for them. Without the support of that segment of society a king has little advantage except to exploit fear and victimhood which the king will find a limited angry but loyal base.

It seems obvious to me but many pundits claim that they do not understand the attraction to Trump and fascism. Many people really want to be told what to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 04:27 PM

Trump can't help himself, even though it makes no sense. The sound of one stupid mouth flapping: Trump calls for jailing journalists who broke Supreme Court’s draft abortion decision.

Former President Trump is calling for the jailing of the journalists who published a leaked draft opinion showing the Supreme Court was poised to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Last spring, Politico reporters Josh Gerstein and Alexander Ward published a blockbuster report on a draft opinion penned by Justice Samuel Alito that would overturn the landmark abortion ruling.

The court on Thursday made public a report detailing an investigation into the leak of the opinion, indicating it was unable to identify the source of the leak to Politico.

“They’ll never find out, & it’s important that they do,” Trump wrote in a post on his Truth Social website. “So, go to the reporter & ask him/her who it was. If not given the answer, put whoever in jail until the answer is given. You might add the editor and publisher to the list.”

He simply doesn't understand the bit in the Constitution about the freedom of the press, if it isn't FAUX News.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Rain Dog
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 04:44 AM

Does anyone keep track of where 'classified' documents go?

I think the security system or rather lack of it, needs to be looked at.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 07:56 AM

The rules are strict and complex! The myth of a government job is forever is bogus. It is most often ended by a charge of mishandling classified material. It is like Capone getting arrested for taxes and not for the actual crimes. After that even porn on a phone can get you fired. When a government worker is working with classified material, the computer often auto-saves the classified info without the user's knowledge but the rules are to go back and remove the save. Almost everyone is guilty of mishandling when every trace is not unknowingly removed. BUT IN BIDEN'S CASE it was his staff's job to be sure document handling is cleaned up. There is a big difference between top secret and classified or confidential.

Senators and Congressmen have to use an eye's only SKIF to view documents but not in the old days.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 08:30 AM

Much more info is classified than really needs to be. It is in the trillions.
Just cleaning that up has proved difficult.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 11:22 AM

The U.S. has an overclassification problem, says one former special counsel

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 12:00 PM

Yes even newspaper headlines can be classified but most of the time it is used to cover someone's ass for being wrong or dishonest or worse.

As for Biden's political (not criminal) problem, I do accuse him of not being unapologetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: leeneia
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 12:15 PM

RE the classified documents, I want to know why the National Archives didn't miss them and demand them back. I also want to know whose fingerprints are on them.

It would be so easy for somebody to get past the lock on a university office and put something in the room.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 08:42 AM

> RE the classified documents, I want to know why the National Archives
> didn't miss them and demand them back.

Perhaps because we live in a photocopier world? so many copies, so much data to track.

> I also want to know whose fingerprints are on them.

None if those, erm, donating the documents were halfway competent.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 09:01 AM

There is a bill to enhance the protocols of the National archives.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 09:08 AM

We are past the days of microfilm and copiers. We are past the days of Furbies phones and apple watches. We are in the age of the hack.

Eyes only documents are old hat and are being destroyed as we speak.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 09:30 AM

> Eyes only documents are old hat and are being destroyed as we speak.

Then I fear for the long-term record, as well as short-term security. Hard copy is still signed for wills, house deeds, treaties etc, for long-term durability. For the really long term, follow the example of the English Parliament: Hansard is still printed on vellum, because it lasts longer than even acid-free paper.

One of the fundamental problems with securing soft-copy documents is that, when you make a copy, the original is untouched. One can steal a hard-copy document, but its theft is easier to detect, because it isn't where it should be.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 03:00 PM

From Facebook/Meta:

Ending Suspension of Trump’s Accounts With New Guardrails to Deter Repeat Offenses

Takeaways

• We will be ending the suspension of Mr. Trump’s Facebook and Instagram accounts in the coming weeks.
  
• We’ve put new guardrails in place to deter repeat offenses.
  
• The public should be able to hear what politicians are saying so they can make informed choices.

Social media is rooted in the belief that open debate and the free flow of ideas are important values, especially at a time when they are under threat in many places around the world. As a general rule, we don’t want to get in the way of open, public and democratic debate on Meta’s platforms — especially in the context of elections in democratic societies like the United States. The public should be able to hear what their politicians are saying — the good, the bad and the ugly — so that they can make informed choices at the ballot box. But that does not mean there are no limits to what people can say on our platform. When there is a clear risk of real world harm — a deliberately high bar for Meta to intervene in public discourse — we act.

Truth be told, it is my guess that Facebook wants the revenue from all of the eyeballs that Trump attracts. Bottom line, they want the dollars.

"In the event that Mr. Trump posts further violating content, the content will be removed and he will be suspended for between one month and two years, depending on the severity of the violation."

Yeah, right.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 04:30 AM


Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel - PM
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 01:54 PM

In two weeks it will be revealed if Trump is to be indicted in Georgia

Did it happen? And...


100!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 05:22 AM

What have I told y'all about Facebook...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 08:15 AM

The Attorney General of GA. says the announcement is 'imminent'.
So far they announced they will not make public the grand jury evidence.
That is typical. I bet the usual Friday release of info will be forthcoming. Friday is a prime day to disseminate announcements.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 06:54 PM

Nope, no announcement of the indictment today.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 09:25 AM

Trump says he is more committed than ever.
If only he were committed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Jan 23 - 09:49 PM

Last summer's video of deposition. A civil fraud probe. Nothing new in Trumpland, so they're talking about his taking the Fifth for four hours.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Feb 23 - 06:25 AM

Republicans have no platform but they are anti-science, anti-vaccine, anti-doctors, anti-chamber of congress, anti social security etc.
Even before Covid, Republicans typically ran up the debt to historic levels to make Democrats have to address and fix it later to the unpopular dismay of voters.
Holding the country hostage has worked before but now it is a bridge too far. The people are slow to wise up but we are getting wise to the anti-democratic attack on Middle-class America.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Feb 23 - 10:37 AM

An Op-Ed out of the Philadelphia Inquirer looking into the reason for the timing of Comey announcing the investigation of the Clinton assistant's laptop right before the election:

This week’s stunning corruption charges against a top FBI spymaster who assumed a key role in the bureau’s New York office just weeks before 2016's “October surprise” — an agent who by 2018 was known to be working for a Vladimir Putin-tied Russian oligarch — should cause America to rethink everything we think we know about the Trump-Russia scandal and how it really happened that Trump won that election.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Feb 23 - 10:38 AM

In that piece:

How coordinated was the effort in that New York field office to pump up the ultimate nothingburger about Clinton’s emails while pooh-poohing the very real evidence of Russian interference on Trump’s behalf, and who were the agents behind it? What was the role, if any, of McGonigal and his international web of intrigue? Was the now-tainted McGonigal a source who told the New York Times that fateful October that Russia was not trying to help Trump win the election — before the U.S. intelligence community determined the exact opposite? If not McGonigal, just who was intentionally misleading America’s most influential news org, and why?

As a veteran journalist, I find the Times’ role in this fiasco — although likely an unwitting one — deeply disturbing. To be sure, the 2016 FBI leaks weren’t the first time a major news organization has been burned by anonymous law enforcement sources, and regrettably, it probably won’t be the last. Media critics have been talking for years about the Times’ flawed coverage, and how its near certainty that Clinton would win and a desire to show its aggressiveness toward a future president seemed to have skewed its coverage.

All filed under "how Russia helped get Trump elected.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Feb 23 - 11:27 AM

There were Chinese weather/spy balloons over US territory at least 3 times during the Trump administration. Not. A. Peep.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Feb 23 - 07:56 AM

It is the primary season again but the Koch brothers' money network is not going with Trump and is supporting alternatives this time.

The DNC is going with a new order of primary states, not going with Iowa first anymore. This will allow D candidates a better showing. The RNC is going with the old order.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Feb 23 - 10:44 AM

You're just ahead of me - I looked at this article yesterday about the Koch money and didn't share it.

Koch network to back alternative to Trump after sitting out recent primaries

That money has always been behind anti-Democratic principles and candidates. I think they're big with the Federalist Society funding as well (think Supreme Court justices) - and they helped the Tea Party get off the ground.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Feb 23 - 10:58 PM

a bit of Koch history          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/17/dark-money-review-nazi-oil-the-koch-brothers-and-a-rightwing-revolution

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 23 - 09:01 AM

Yet even more classified documents were found at Mara Lago with a staffer's laptop having downloaded a classified document to his computer.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Feb 23 - 03:57 PM

I didn't see that one. I'm waiting to see proof that visitors to the Mar-a-loco office snapped phone photos of classified documents. You know he let people do it.

This is just a little story, but it's what is coming across more often now: Trump's 'desperation' is beginning to show: GOP campaign consultant

"DeSantis had a little interesting moment," Jennings told CNN host Jake Tapper. "Trump was attacking him over Covid and said some very dishonest things about what DeSantis had done as governor on Covid policy. And then DeSantis kind of responds to it -- doesn't mention Trump by name -- but he said, 'I did what I did and other people did what they did, and you can look at the electoral results of that.'"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Feb 23 - 09:54 PM

A judge in Georgia will release this week three parts of the grand jury report written after the investigation into Trump and his tampering with the Georgia election. It doesn't name names, leaving that to the Fulton County District Attorney when she's ready to press charges.

So close . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Possible careers you turned down
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 23 - 10:02 PM

So now imminent means 4 weeks come this Thursday.
Trump has only attacked law enforcement like the Justice Dept. and FBI and has replaced key people with his own BUT NOW the entire third leg of Democracy which is the Court System is in his crosshairs. It is the court that can arrest indict and jail Trump and he can not fire the judges and jury.

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Moved from the thread where this was accidentally posted. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Feb 23 - 12:37 PM

Just read the news that Nikki Haley is running for the Republican candidacy. Is this good or bad news?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Feb 23 - 11:04 AM

It might be good news for the GOP that it isn't Trump, but she is a Trump apologist all over the place, so not much of an improvement.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Feb 23 - 06:47 AM

;) So a Florida man told the bank teller "I just need 11,780 dollars which is one more than I have" and was immediately arrested and charged with bank robbery.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Feb 23 - 11:18 AM

Good call! Trump is definitely "Florida man" now since he has rejected his New York City roots.

It seems someone lied to the Georgia grand jury and they're not chuffed about that. Heads other than The Donald's may roll.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 23 - 07:05 AM

Almost everybody couldn't say Voldemort's name except Harry Potter.
Today Pense, DeSantis or Niki Halley can't say Trump out loud.

Trump's childhood heroes were Norman Vincent Peele, or so they say.
I think it was Jackie Gleason from the Honeymooners.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Feb 23 - 11:07 AM

That head of the Georgia special grand jury has managed to say his name, I think. She has also managed to spill a whole bunch of beans in her anxiousness to see something come from the eight months they spent working on the project. Hopefully she has someone advising her that less is more. Like to stop that chatter right now. Let the grownups take it from here.

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 07:33 AM

Fortunately, she was not on the charging grand jury.
Simple folks are often enamored by celebrities and go overboard.
Lawyers will grab any weed if they are falling down a cliff.

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 08:02 AM

As Trump said overseas; "Putin is a genius" I don't see why Putin would lie" "I believe Putin over our own intelligence" etc. one claim is true IMO.
Putin was a genius in getting Trump to be his own Kremlin candidate along with Manafort who was Trump's campaign advisor after being the campaign advisor for Putin's Ukraine puppet President who was eventually overthrown by Ukraine and then elected Velodemir Zelenski instead.

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 08:11 AM

SNL

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 10:14 AM

The jury foreperson is an odd one - her 15 minutes of fame are just about up.

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From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 23 - 06:29 AM

CHARISMA - i don't know exactly what it is or how its made but whatever it is De Santis doesn't have any.

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From: gillymor
Date: 01 Mar 23 - 07:27 AM

He reminds me of Tricky Dick in that department.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Mar 23 - 10:57 AM

The latest FAUX amongst the hens is the gift of access to the security camera footage to FOX "news." Content from there was kept back by the January 6 committee for security reasons, court reasons, etc. But apparently the new very handicapped (by 15 votes and a shitload of promises to the corrupt far right) Speaker gave access to only Fox. Someone needs to step in and stop it on legal grounds.

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From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 23 - 10:00 AM

Fair and balanced reporting will show a split-screen compare and contrast format showing a peaceful Jan. 6th march and tourists staying inside the Capitol velvet ropes to video of Portland riots, Disney security video of long line altercations, people reacting violently to the Charlottesville nazis and Kyle Rittenhouse 'fighting' for his life.

What's not fair about the compare and contrast format?

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Mar 23 - 11:02 PM

From "WTF Just Happened Today":

Welcome to Day 772 [of the Biden administration].

Today in one sentence: Trump can be sued by injured Capitol Police officers and Democratic lawmakers over the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol; the House Ethics Committee opened an investigation into George Santos; Biden plans to ask Congress for $1.6 billion to recapture stolen Covid-19 relief funds and help victims of identity theft; Eli Lilly will cap the out-of-pocket costs of insulin at $35 a month; and the Senate voted to repeal a Biden administration rule that allowed retirement funds to consider climate and social factors in their investments decisions.

He ran this during the Trump administration, started as a lark, I think, but taken seriously by a lot of readers so he buckled down and kept it going. It is finally beginning to feel like the worm has turned as far as Trump's fate in court.

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 23 - 05:47 AM

He lost a civil suit over Trump University and lost when he sued Mahre and others.

My dear, Santos. That's what Trump does. It's what Putin lives for.
To help unfortunate folks like yourself.
Poor souls with no one else to turn to.
I admit that in the past lies have been nasty
They weren't kidding when they called me, well, SATAN prince of lies
But you'll find that nowadays
I've mended all my ways
Repented, seen the light, and made a switch
Got it? Yes.
And I, fortunately, know a little magic
It's a talent that I always have possessed
And dear George, please don't laugh
I use it on behalf
Of the miserable, the lonely, and pathetic
unfortunate souls
In pain, in need
This one longing to appear richer
That one wants to get the girl
And do I help them?
Yes, indeed
Those poor unfortunate souls
So sad, so true
They come flocking to my dungeon
Crying, "Spells, Satan, please!"
And I help them!
Yes I do
Now it's happened once or twice
Someone couldn't pay the price
And I'm afraid I had to rake 'em 'cross the coals
Yes I've had the odd complaint
But on the whole I've been a saint
To those poor unfortunate souls
Have we got a deal?
If I become truthful, I'll never be with my father or sisters again.
But you'll have your man, heh heh. Life's full of tough choices, isn't it? Heh heh.
Oh, and there is one more thing.
We haven't discussed the subject of payment.
But I don't have-
I'm not asking much, just a token really, a trifle!
What I want from you is - your reputation.
And after all dear, what is embellished babble for?
Come on, they're not all that impressed with honesty
Even voters avoid it when they can
But they dote and swoon and fawn
On a man who lies all he can
Come on you poor unfortunate soul
Go ahead!
Make your choice!
I'm a very busy devi and I haven't got all day
It won't cost much
Just your life
You poor unfortunate soul
It's sad but true
If you want to win a seat among others of deceit
You've got the pay the toll
Take your arm and go ahead, reach
And go ahead and sign the scroll
AHHH
The boss is on a roll
This poor unfortunate soul
Come winds of the Caspian Sea
Now, LIE!
Aah... lie beyond compare!
Keep LIEING!
Because soon you'll be crying
cause the ehics committee
sees your nitty gritty
You are under investigation.
for your imagination.

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 23 - 08:23 AM

NEW YORK (AP) — Former FBI Director James Comey is on a career path both new and familiar — crime fiction.

Comey has a deal to write two novels for The Mysterious Press, an imprint of Penzler Publishers. The first is called “Central Park West,” and it features an assistant U.S. Attorney looking into ties between the Mafia and the murder of a local politician. The book is scheduled for next spring.


I started the New Trump Constitution to replace the one Trump wants to terminate and will BE INTRODUCED TO THE WORLD at CPAC.

"We the real people in order to provide the most huge and best in the history of the universe, union to provide control and establish the Presidency to do whatever it wants and to establish the real Constitution of the United States of America that replaces the prior woke fake laws by decree on Twitter."

CPAC also wants some new Biden scandals but all I have so far is that Jeffery Epstein was the illegitimate love child of a young Joe Biden.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 23 - 09:48 AM

Wouldn't it be better all round if you cited the source of your parody Donuel? Not everyone is into Disney!

(I know it coz I have twin daughters who were 4 when the Little Mermaid came out and when it was released on video we had to rent it every week!)

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Mar 23 - 10:26 AM

Sounds more like The Onion.

If Murdoch goes down with FOX for the Dominion stuff, what are the odds he's going to drag Trump under that bus with him?

So many possibilities.

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 23 - 09:24 PM

When it is AP I say so. When it is all me I don't source myself.

A song parody is another matter. Did someone forget I was a cartoonist or that my dad was a Constitutional law professor?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Mar 23 - 10:14 PM

PLEASE - tell us more about your Dad. I didn't know that.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Mar 23 - 03:35 AM

Fine. I was only suggesting it may be better if people knew what it was based on. I found it funny because I could envisage Ursula singing it. Others may not.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Mar 23 - 08:43 AM

Dad was born in Boston to Jewish parents who spoke Yiddish and escaped the Nazis just before the Einsatzgruppen invaded Poland and Russia. Dorchester was a neighborhood in transition between the Irish and the Jews. Lottsa fights. He joined the Army and was given the option to work as a legal clerk for the court martial division in England or join the front line because of religion and the Nazis. He witnessed the Blitz.
After the war the GI bill enabled a choice to study journalism or poli sci. An opening in Syracuse for poli sci opened up over Chicago journalism. He sought a law degree as well in Denver but a family and teaching was a bridge too far. He got tenure in New York when I was old enough to glean some of his knowledge and ethics. He kept his head down during the McCarthy era while colleagues wrote books about the Military Industrial Complex. In his day he was in Who's Who but retired with a following of lawyers who studied Constitutional law with him in their youth. His books involved the Supreme Court in human terms and not a scientific analysis. That was considered old school. His standards were strict, however. We ate bacon and he was as reformed as one can get so teaching me religion in Hebrew school was forbidden. As a result I rarely saw the survivors in his side of the family. My dyslexia was not understood so my difficulty in school was attributed to laziness. I have educated my self and now have an affinity to Russel Brand.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Mar 23 - 08:50 AM

It was Mom who taught us both about diversity and skill acquisation.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Mar 23 - 09:27 AM

I understand about the dyslexia - and the Russel Brand reference certainly creates a mental image of functionality and brains.

On the Trump front, his former attorney Cohen will probably testify to the grand jury soon.

Michael Cohen, former President Trump’s former personal lawyer, believes he will be called to testify to the New York grand jury investigating the former president “very soon.”

Cohen told reporters his prediction on the way to meeting with the Manhattan district attorney’s office, which is investigating alleged hush money payments Cohen arranged on behalf of the former president to two women who said they had sex with Trump.

He has met with investigators more than a dozen times throughout the course of the Manhattan investigation.

Cohen arranged large sums for adult film star Stormy Daniels and playboy model Karen McDougal before the 2016 election. Cohen paid Daniels $130,000 and McDougal was paid $150,000 by American Media, the then-parent company of The National Enquirer tabloid.

Trump has denied that he had sexual relations with either of the women. Cohen pled guilty to a bevy of charges related to the payoffs and other conduct last year. He was sentenced to three years in prison but served little of it due to the coronavirus pandemic.

There's more at the link.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Mar 23 - 11:27 AM

Out of interest, 'pled' didn't look right to me but I had deen it before so I looked it up and found the following bit of trivia -

"The formal pleaded is more common in British English while pled is more common in Scottish and American English."

I wonder why it became more common in the US and Scotland? Maybe Trump's Scottish connections? :-D

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 05 Mar 23 - 09:21 AM

The Don stood in the burning dock
when all but he had pled ....

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Mar 23 - 10:00 AM

Trying to find news sources that aren't behind paywalls. May not work outside the US.

Despite Republicans cooling on him, CPAC is still the Trump show

Saturday marked the final day of the Conservative Political Action Conference, and former President Donald Trump delivered the closing act.

"Change only happens if we plow fearlessly ahead and declare with one voice that the era of woke and weaponized government is over. That is our task, that is our mission. And this is the turning point and the time for that decision," Trump said, speaking to a crowd of CPAC attendees at the Gaylord National Resort & Convention Center in Maryland. The speech comes more than three months after he announced another bid for president.

The former president spoke for more than 90 minutes, ticking through a list of pledges for a second term in office while also hitting on points he's repeatedly made in past speeches since leaving the White House, notably the lie that he won the 2020 election.

Trump also criticized a handful of the Biden administration's policies, vowing to end the war in Ukraine and cut down on U.S. foreign aid.

He took aim at establishment Republicans that led the party in the early and mid-2010s – calling out the change in party ideals since he became a prominent political figure.

"We had a republican party that was ruled by freaks, neocons, globalists, open borders zealots and fools but we are never going back to the party of Paul Ryan, Karl Rove and Jeb Bush," he said.

The rest at the linked page.

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From: Donuel
Date: 07 Mar 23 - 04:23 PM

We deserve Trump. It is all ultimately a CIA blowback from a project to elect a US-friendly Russain.
What most people do not know is that 3 Americans were responsible for spearheading Boris Yeltsin's bid to rule. Putin naturally wanted to do the same to America and set people to manage the Trump campaign using the same people he used for a Russian puppet in Ukraine.
Both our hands are dirty. It seems Putin has done very well in creating a 'Kremlin' Candidate for the USA.

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From: Donuel
Date: 07 Mar 23 - 05:11 PM

The three American campaign consultants were not CIA but after being hired with oligarch money for the Yeltzin election the CIA were clued in. Putin may not see it from our angle.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Mar 23 - 08:08 PM

Trump has been invited to testify to the New York grand jury next week, a typical precursor to his being charged. The crime in this instance is paying off Stormy Daniels and another woman about sex - hush money.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/nyregion/trump-potential-criminal-charges-bragg.html

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From: Donuel
Date: 09 Mar 23 - 08:36 PM

I have a feeling you will be the first to announce the first indictment of a US President here.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Mar 23 - 10:01 AM

Michael Cohen to appear before NY Grand Jury (again!) I heard a conversation on MSNBC last week about his many appearances with the prosecutor (18 times). He has testified in other places also, but in this particular case Cohen was found guilty of making the payment and served his time. He's now free to topple Trump.

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From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 23 - 07:37 AM

If a hemorrhoid could talk it would sound like De Santis.

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From: Donuel
Date: 15 Mar 23 - 08:44 AM

Another Trump outcome has come to pass. His legislation to deregulate 250 billion dollar banks has led to the second largest bank failure like the bigger banks in 2008. Deregulation allows banks to invest depositor money in high-risk schemes that make for bonus money for executives., but anathema for others.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Mar 23 - 12:44 PM

I don't usually turn on the MSNBC folks in the morning, but today we have two Trump-caused crises looming: anti-abortion advocates went judge-shopping and found one of his appointees in Amarillo, TX, to try to overturn FDA approval of Mifepristone, while mid-size huge banks totter because Trump cut out important features of the Dodd-Franks bill that would have prevented this.

Biden needs to do something about expanding the Supreme Court. Or impeach a criminal-class judge who Trump appointed and Clarence Thomas should never have been approved. That one's on Biden, whichever way you look at it.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Mar 23 - 07:42 PM

Moody’s Downgrades Entire U.S. Banking System; Credit Suisse Plummets. Welcome to Banking Crisis 3.0

On July 29 of last year we wrote that Wall Street Megabanks’ Multi-Billion Dollar Blunders Suggest Money Controls as Good as George Bailey’s Uncle Billy and summed up our analysis with: “This is the stuff of banana republics – not a financial system befitting a superpower.”

On a regular basis, we emailed these articles to key staff of the Senators and House Reps who sit on the Senate Banking and House Financial Services Committees.

Late Monday, the credit rating agency, Moody’s, downgraded the entire U.S. banking system outlook to negative from stable. (Let that sink in for a moment – a downgrade of the entire U.S. banking system.) The news of the Moody’s downgrade did not hit the wires until yesterday, which should have cratered the most vulnerable bank stocks. Instead, there was a highly suspicious short squeeze that fueled a big rally in the prices of publicly-traded banks.

That unwarranted optimism has now been reversed this morning with Dow futures down more than 600 points just after 8:00 a.m. in New York; major banks in Europe temporarily halted from trading after steep selloffs; and troubled Swiss behemoth bank, Credit Suisse, down 24 percent to a new all time low of $1.74 in morning trade in Europe following multiple trading halts. For the systemic contagion posed by Credit Suisse, see our February 10 article: Credit Suisse Tanks Yesterday to $3.02; It’s Lost Over 90 Percent of Its Market Value Since 2007; It’s Not Alone.

The rest is at the link. Trump always wants access to banks, and wants to have an unlevel playing field. He borrows from banks, he doesn't invest in them - that I know of - so his diddling the rules regarding banks would have been to benefit himself. One wonders if any banks (Deutsche Bank comes to mind) will throw him under the clown car.

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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 23 - 10:41 AM

The bottom line is to not think a panic run on banks is a good idea.
This repeat of the effect of deregulation of banks in 1929 and 2008 is not on the same scale.

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Mar 23 - 02:50 PM

> Trump always wants access to banks

.... so did the Rumpo Kid in Carry On Cowboy. Hopefully there's a Marshall P Knutt in town somewhere.

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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 23 - 02:56 PM

His name is Elizabeth Warren.

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From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 23 - 08:20 PM

Washington Week reported an additional 135 Billion dollars has been used
to (bailout) prop up a number of banks that will not be disclosed for 2 years. This can lead to a snap slow down in the economy which is probably too much medicine to lower inflation.
Between inflation, bailouts, and student loans this looks like a 3 body problem with no clear solution.

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From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 23 - 08:45 PM

Trump's Hate List has expanded to include OURSELVES and the 'harrible' people in charge and the, innovative silicon valley companies, Hollywood, Disney, Democratic Culture, Pop Music, Gays-lesbians and trans, anyone or book that is woke which includes the Pentagon, CIA, FBI and NSA. In other words, a giant purge is needed.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 12:01 AM

Trump is so close to indictment we can almost taste it. The folks at MSNBC are counting the possible places it could come from and watching to see who gets there first. Good. He has it coming.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 05:53 AM

Trump is America's Khaddafi and his followers are the American Isis.
I am not their keeper but as an American, I am their brother.
Who I am to the Trumpists shouldn't be different, but is.
To unite a dysfunctional family will be a tough lesson to learn znd will need specific situations and compassion for the duped and deluded.
Just locking their champion up is not the full answer.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 06:03 AM

There will need to be an iconic visual that will lift us all or shame us all. Words are not enough.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 06:21 AM

In my opinion the SDNY Stormy Danials case will be a reach to prosecute compared to the Georgia election interference case. The classified documents case has become diluted due to Biden and Pence documents.
I hope these facts will intercede strategically over a lust for an indictment.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 08:42 AM

WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS, TRUMP HAS POSTED COME TO MY ARREST ON TUESDAY AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK, IT WILL BE WILD!!!!!!!!!1

Perhaps the visual I was alluding to will be his mug shots and fingerprinting. I am guessing US Marshalls will have to take a plane down to Florida to take him into custody since I don't think he will turn himself in. This Trump post is a gambit and based on leaks and a threat of violence.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 09:00 AM

In his post Trump blames a Jew George Soros for his impending arrest.

I blame his one of the four times the Capitol was attacked.
First by the British then the Civil War, 9-11 and Jan. 6th.

Will US Marshalls have to go to FL?

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 10:52 AM

He posted this crap from his golf course.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 12:24 PM

So he is overtly breaking the law again by calling for another riot or insurrection. The guy does. not. learn. from. his. mistakes.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 12:46 PM

Technically he is calling for protests. Between March madness and doing a Trump protest, I think March Madness wins.

McCarthy and Greene have posted their Trump fear and anger support.
The DA has made no comment.
Personally, I think the mixed metaphorical glove fits but it is a bridge too far above a river of tears.:^?

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 02:19 PM

In the upper echelons of government and decorum, it is being said that Trump has pulled this out of his ass.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 02:50 PM

It looks like Trump was just passing ammunition to Jim Jorden's House investigation regarding the Democrat's weaponization of the law with their investigation into the attack on the Capitol and law makers.

Will there be a Senate investigation into the House Investigations of the 1st investigation's investigation?

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 03:20 PM

When he again says "it will be wild!" he's signalling that riots and destruction are fine with him.

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From: Helen
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 03:58 PM

Donuel and SRS, I do try to stay out of the politics of other countries, but Trump has unfortunately "trumped" my good intentions.

I can't help thinking of the Anti-Christ, who generates a huge following but has nothing to offer but his own, huge self-serving intentions, cleverly shrouded in big words, duping the real people into following him into battle, believing it to be for the good of the nation and/or the world.

I agree with you Donuel that there needs to be compassion for the duped and deluded, preceded by an opening of their minds to reality.

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From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 08:18 AM

The hard core true believer Nazix will not back down.

In an almost organic process, the bank failures follow a process of multiple hive collapses of the money bees.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 11:52 AM

Helen, I fear that the process of having eyes opened to the fraud that Trump has practiced will be painful to his followers. In the immediate future it doesn't feel like a passive process. His dense subalterns like Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, and other self-serving individuals won't want to give up their platform for attention and riches.

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From: Helen
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 01:55 PM

SRS, I agree.

One of the scariest things I saw on ABC [American] News was a group of serious looking Christians standing around the back of Trump's chair in the White House, laying their hands on his shoulders and praying as if he were the new Messiah.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 02:45 PM

Remarkable that that happened because he apparently doesn't like being touched.

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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 02:57 PM

”…a group of serious looking Christians standing around the back of Trump's chair in the White House, laying their hands on his shoulders and praying as if he were the new Messiah.”

Not so much the new Messiah, IMHO, more the Anti-Christ.

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From: Helen
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 03:53 PM

Sorry Backwoodsman, I should have said "Messiah" and not just Messiah. I did say the Anti-Christ in my post at 18 Mar 23 - 03:58 PM.

Also, I think it was on ABC News but it might have been PBS News. The Christians might not have actually been touching him. Maybe they were just holding their hands a little bit away from him, sending him the Christian energy to help him in his "mission" - whatever they thought THAT might be.

I also keep thinking about how surprised a lot of his followers were when, a) they found out COVID was real and dangerous, and b) they found out that the attack on the Capitol was in fact a life-threatening attack.

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From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 03:54 PM

I told an ex CIA operative who was stationed in Uzbekistan that Bush was the anti christ. She said "just wait".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 04:50 PM

I did an internet search on:

trump christians in the white house

There were a lot of results.

This is a long article but makes some interesting points:

How the Christian Right Helped Foment Insurrection

And here is the photo I mentioned earlier. with an interesting take on what some Christians believe about Trump and his intentions:

photo

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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 05:29 PM

They are utterly, irreversibly barking mad, completely insane. As is Trump.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 05:46 PM

Arrest warrant out for Putin. Trump looks to be at the end of his road. Just BoJo to complete the set.

We can but hope...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 05:51 PM

Even George Washington lamented the politically extreme Christians of his day.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 06:08 PM

Gosh. I've been on here countless times grandstanding my militant atheism. I haven't got much time for Christianity or any other creed that people were accidentally born into and find it hard to escape from. But let's be careful here. The majority of people who I've lived with, were brought up with, who brought me up, worked with or otherwise encountered in multifarious ways have been Christians "to some degree" (discuss!). Most of them are decent people who have certain views I don't agree with and who don't agree with some of my views. Whatever Trump has done he has not done it in the name of Jesus, whatever he might claim. Neither have the sanctimonious bastards who support him "in the name of Jesus," whatever THEY might claim. Let's keep a sense of perspective. And come on, you genuine Christians, speak up and don't let these bloody charlatans get away with it. And we non-Christians too!

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 09:15 PM

There are countless memes out there that express opinions that reject religions that insist on dictating how other people think and act. Christianity in the US is becoming the American Taliban. If more moderate xtians can't convince their brethren to tone it down and take a few steps back, then they need to act, or reject outright the behavior - do something to regain their religion. Just like moderate GOP members have to contend with the lunatics in power right now.

Trump is trying to control the event, to dictate how this story moves forward. His proclaiming that he will be arrested on Tuesday is trying to get in front of the story. But this one is carrying him along to parts unknown.

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From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 20 Mar 23 - 03:44 AM

he has asked his supporters to protest on the day, & no doubt some will bring their 2nd Amendment rights along with them ...

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From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 23 - 07:57 AM

Hey, those are code words for guns and murder. ;^/

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From: gillymor
Date: 20 Mar 23 - 08:49 AM

If his loonies try anything in Manhattan, where drumpf has long been considered a pariah, there should be plenty of NY's finest there in riot gear to tamp down any protest that turns violent.

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From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 06:41 AM

McConnell fell Wednesday after attending a reception for the Senate Leadership Fund, a super PAC that pumped $290 million into the 2022 election, followed by a private dinner at the Waldorf Astoria.

Sources familiar with the evening described the dinner as a small private event. McConnell was taken to the hospital by ambulance after tripping and hitting his head and fracturing a rib..

McConnell fractured his shoulder after falling at his home in Kentucky in 2019 and triple bypass surgery in 2003. He is in a rehab center and not attending Congress.

Marjorie Taylor Greene says she only gave Mitch a tiny slap on the back ;-/

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From: gillymor
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 06:53 AM

Sounds like what we used to call a case of the Kentucky flu.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 11:25 AM

I'm going to make a big bowl of popcorn.

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From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 07:53 PM

I think of all the political pundits and authors of Trump books and realize that they all miss the point and make arcane explanations of their own. One in Five Americans read at a third-grade level and half at the 6th-grade level. nuff said.

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From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 08:20 PM

It turns out that the great Trump arrest leak was a trickle compared to the one he watched in Moscow.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 09:34 PM

Trump is trying to manage the story, and by saying it would happen today, had a lot of people paying attention to him. My popcorn will keep, my Tupperware bowl has an airtight lid.

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From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 10:08 PM

can't waste that popcorn!

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 10:58 PM

It sounds like a race to the indictment - Jack Smith has an overnight deadline for some of the work he's doing (he's the special counsel on the stolen documents case.) So many possibilities! Perhaps it will be like watching a tennis match - back and forth between the players.

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From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 23 - 06:51 PM

In my crystal ball, I see some of the 3 upcoming indictments overlapping and Trump fundraising with the video of being fingerprinted and perp walked. As Rachel says "put a pin in it".

Trump Documentaries in the future will have great soundtrack background music like Jailhouse Rock and tunes by Cash, Waites and others.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Mar 23 - 08:04 PM

The New York grand jury is pushing work until Monday. I heard today about a death threat and envelope of white powder sent to the Manhattan DA; not sure if this is part of the delay.

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From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 23 - 08:13 PM

Trump promises in text "Death and Destruction".
He is such a Hitler wannabe.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 04:48 AM

I cannot find any recent source for that Donuel. Can you provide a link please?

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From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 06:45 AM

It is in today's Daily Telegraph.

DC

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From: gillymor
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 07:31 AM

He's stirring up the mob again-
Huffpost death and destruction . Someone needs to grow a pair and prosecute this rabid dog.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 09:35 AM

Got it - Thanks Doug and gillymore

The man is a menace to the stability of the USA and the world in general. I said a long time back, possibly on this thread, that he is treating the presidency like a game. Someone should explain to him that it is not the WWE and he is not 'fighting' Vince MacMahon!

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 01:56 PM

The man is mentally ill. At the very least a sociopath.

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From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 06:26 PM

And now Trump has got a pastor in Waco, Texas, of all places,
preaching that Trump is the Lord's Anointed
and that he is going to bring about the Fall of the Babylon Deep State.
THis from the New York Times.
It's getting too weird for words now.

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From: Helen
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 06:30 PM

With all of his blatant threats to democracy and the institutions and people in the U.S., I don't understand why he isn't being charged with treason.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 10:07 PM

These things take time, apparently.

I guess he flew over the top of all of the chaos in Mississippi after a horrible tornado, to talk shit in Texas. I hope most people know which is the more important story.

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 05:23 AM

I think that a very important story indeed is that Donald Trump is very likely to be your next president.

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From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 08:32 AM

At his Waco Texas rally he celebrated the Jan 6th insurrection on a big screen and claimed the jailed insurrectionists were being mistreated in abhorrent cruel and unusual prison conditions.

The prisoners are actually all issued tablets to post online and search the web. They have the independent option to sun bathe 5 hours a day.
The food is better than Arbys. Visitation rules include daily visitation. It is a typical Club Fed facility for white collar criminals.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 09:28 AM

I sincerely hope you are wrong, Steve. Surely the majority of the US population would not fall for the same con trick twice would they?

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 10:13 AM

> Surely the majority of the US population would not fall for the same
> con trick twice would they?

Why not? the English re-elected the same shower, touting the same lies, three times running; and they look worrying likely to repeat the offence next time as well. But that's a rant for another thread.

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From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 10:54 AM

While capitalism dismisses ethics routinely, most Americans are not outright criminals seeking the abandonment of the security of law enforcement.

FYI: Waco Texas was the site where Koresh was a cult leader with machine guns and wanted for child molestation. After a 51-day siege by ATF and FBI, his compound burned to the ground claiming all but 9 lives. A couple of years later to the day the Oklahoma bombing occurred.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 11:05 AM

The Waco date is significant in certain circles - sovereign citizen types who used to live in a secretive way now are out in the open. Jeff Guinn has a new book: Waco that looks back at the event. Guinn was a journalist for years at the local newspaper but now makes a good living as a deep research writer of nonfiction books. Google some of the interviews - he was on Fresh Air in the last few months talking about this.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 01:16 PM

True MaJoC but at least we are rid of liar in chief Johnson. For now at any rate!

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 04:46 PM

Monday gives the Grand Jury another opportunity to do the right thing. We hope we all know what that will be.

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From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 05:06 PM

Although both are narcissists, Citizen Kane was brought down by a sex scandal but not Trump.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 05:08 PM

A story just released from National Public Radio: It's not just Stormy Daniels. Here are ongoing criminal investigations Trump faces

The New York Times has a list as well.

I found a site called "Just Security" that catalogs his criminal and civil cases Litigation Tracker: Pending Criminal and Civil Cases Against Donald Trump. They started it in 2021 and keep updating it.

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From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 08:29 PM

WOW
The litigation tracker is great.

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 08:10 AM

Big Al you've asked this before, and I answered that fellow racists and bigots see Trump as their spokesperson. Number 2 Conspiracy groups are believers for anything and finally, half of Americans read at a 6th grade level.

Trump puts his hand on his heart and stands at attention to the Qanon theme song. I expect to eventually see his new version of the American flag which will look like a hybrid of the confederate battle flag and the former South African flag.

He would need another miracle like the November surprise) FBI Comey investigation of Hillary right before voting day, but bigger, since Trump has an amazing shrinking base.

Isreal is shut down today because of protests against Netanyahu trying to abolish the judiciary. Democracies are messy and slow to respond but they do finally respond.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 04:34 PM

This little ditty, from Calvin Trillin about the Dubya administration, shows us how far to the right the GOP has moved since then:

Our policies address the cares
Of heiresses and millionaires.
Our point of view reverberates
With folks who live behind high gates
And folks whose country clubs may lack
A single Jew, a single black.
We're backed by all the CEOs.
We waive the regs that bring them woes.
To comfort them is our intent.
Yes, though we always represent
The folks who sit in corporate boxes,
The gratifying paradox is ---
And this we love; it's just the neatest ---
The other party's called elitist.

If that was only what is wrong with them now.

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 05:13 PM

Another grade school mass shooter has killed kids and others.
The twist is that the shooter was a she.

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 05:19 PM

let us pray and praise first responders.
Tenn. gov speaks

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 05:27 PM

she had testicles and was pissed off by the new anti trans laws I suspect.

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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 09:25 PM

The popular question is how many more. After Congress people lose their kids to mass shootings or Harvard and Yale have mass shootings some rich parents may lend a hand to save kids. I wonder if fentanyl or Tic Tok kill more kids than guns.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 11:50 AM

Tennessee officials were quick to release the body cam videos from police to show that they weren't like the Texas police. The shooter was apparently suicidal and had told someone else s/he was going to die that day.

More Grand Jury interviews this week; yesterday the former owner of the National Enquirer was interviewed. And in other hearings we learn that the former Chief of Staff and attorney have been ordered to testify, piercing the privilege protections they claimed. But it is so slow. The world seems to be heading to Hell in an Handbasket with all of the shit going on. Put Trump out of business and move forward to fix things.

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From: Donuel
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 04:39 PM

Helena Handbaskit will be subpeonaed. Mel Brooks has been pardoned after all. He just didn't open his mail for almost 2 years.
or was it Mo Brooks?

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From: Donuel
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 05:45 PM

Sometimes I wonder if Roger Stone forged his own Presidential pardon.

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From: Donuel
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 06:58 PM

(C) He's crazy, (A7) He's manic de(Dm)pressive (A7)and (Dm) angry
He's (G7) crazy, paranoid, schizoid and (C) rude (C#dim ) and (Dm) violent (G7)
They (C) gave him(A7) some kind of new medi(Dm)cation (A7) (Dm)
And (G7) lately I think He's murderous (C) too. (F) (C) (C7)

(F) He's so bat shit crazy(C) shady (C7)
(C#7) And (D7) lately I'm wondering what he will do (G7) In (Dm) jail (G7) sue?
Cause He's (C) crazy, psy(A7)chotic and lieing de(Dm)pendent, (A7) (Dm)

He's (F) angry ag(Em)gressive, com(Dm)pulsive, ob(A7)sessive
And He's (Dm) crazy from (G7) catching (C) the (G7)flu

(F) Worried? You bet your ass I get (C) worried (B) (C)(B)(C)(C#)
Just (D7) wondering, wondering just what I should (G7) do (Dm) (G7)
'Cause He's (C) crazy, psy(A7)chotic and despot de(Dm)pendant (A7) (Dm)
He's (F) laughin' and (Em) lyin', patho(Dm)logically (A7) fryin'
Cuz he's(Dm) crazy from (G7) Hong Kong (C) flu.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Mar 23 - 09:34 PM

There's a thread for that, Don! Isn't there? Songs about Trump?

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From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 23 - 05:20 AM

A gelatinous Pense doesn't want to testify.

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From: Helen
Date: 29 Mar 23 - 06:01 AM

Yes, but Donuel, Mike Pence may be afraid for his life after the threats at the Capitol riot.

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From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 23 - 06:19 AM

Here is a version worth passing along if you know where.



C) He's crazy, (A7) He's manic de(Dm)pressive (A7)and (Dm) angry
He's (G7) crazy, paranoid, schizoid and (C) rude (C#dim ) and (Dm) violent (G7)
They (C) gave him(A7) some kind of new medi(Dm)cation (A7) (Dm)
And (G7) lately I think he's murderous (C) too. (F) (C) (C7)

(F) He's bat shit crazy(C) (C7)
(C#7) And (D7) lately I wonder what he's going to do (G7) In (Dm) jail (G7) sue?
Cause He's (C) crazy, psy(A7)chotic and lieing de(Dm)pendent, (A7) (Dm)

He's (F) angry ag(Em)gressive, com(Dm)pulsive, ob(A7)sessive
He's long haul (Dm) crazy from (G7) knowing (C) he's(G7) through

(F) Worried? You bet your ass I get (C) worried (B) (C)(B)(C)(C#)
Just (D7) wondering, wondering just what I should (G7) do (Dm) (G7)
'Cause He's (C) crazy, psy(A7)chotic and deeply de(Dm)pendant (A7) (Dm)
He's (F) laughin' and (Em) lyin', patho(Dm)logically (A7) fryin'
He so (Dm) crazy just like (G7) you know (C) who.

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From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 06:05 PM

Well Stilly, any news? :^/

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From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 06:08 PM

Take Me To The Pilot
Song by Elton John

Can you feel that's real, I'm on trial
And now I'm here in your prison
Like a stone in your shoe
I am charged with high treason
Through my syes my throne
Is now a danger zone
Take me to the center for control
Take me to the center of your soul
Take me to the center
Lead me through the chambers
Take me to the center
I am not a stranger
Take me to the center
Lead me through the chamber
Take me to the center
I am not a stranger
Na-na-na, na-na-na
Na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na
Na-na-na, na-na-na
Na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na
Well, I knowt I'm not old
as I'm told, I'm not a stupid virgin
I am smart not dumb.
What I'm told is never, never for certain
Through my eyes, its my throne
Its in the danger zone
Take me to the center for control
Take me to the center of your soul, yeah, yeah
Let me out of prison
Lead me through the chamber
Take me to the White House
I am not a stranger
Take me to the White House
Lead me through the gate house
Take me to the White House
I am not a stranger
Na-na-na, na-na-na
Na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na
Na-na-na, na-na-na
Na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 06:37 PM

On MSNBC last night Lawrence O'Donnell was talking about the breaks - apparently the Manhattan Grand Jury was scheduled to take a few weeks off and in April is that time. They won't meet again until maybe the third week of the month?

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 06:50 PM

NEVER MIND! They did it!

Trump indicted by grand jury in Stormy Daniels hush money scheme

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From: gillymor
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 07:06 PM

Let's hope this opens the prosecutorial floodgates.

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From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 07:21 PM

With the eventual number of charges which will most probably follow with more indictments, it will be as stressful for Donald as being drawn and quartered.

God bless his McDonald-addled heart.

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From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 23 - 08:25 PM

Which Hunt will lock him up the longest?

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 05:10 AM

This will strengthen him. You need an awful lot more.

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From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 06:23 AM

Thars money in them thar end dite mints.

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From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 06:38 AM

The indictment is still sealed but The Governor of Florida said he would not obey extradition laws.
Republicans want to prosecute law itself, not Trump.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 01:04 PM

Someone needs to do research into all of the conservative "think tanks" that spawn so many of the really stupid ideas coming out of state legislatures and the US Congress (GOP side of things.) It just gets stupider and stupider out there, and the three yahoos at the top, the Trump appointees to the Supreme Court, make it all possible because people figure they won't overturn this stuff.

Meanwhile, Israel has riots because BeBe wants to take over the judiciary. Trump seems already to have done that. Now we need to riot to get the Supreme Court fixed. Add a couple of more justices or impeach Thomas and disqualify Kavanaugh.

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From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 06:44 PM

I would not interfere when someone is shooting themselves in the foot.

Will Trump return to reality TV in the Apprehendice or comedy like Arrested Developer.

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From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 07:02 PM

Heritage house is an oldie but billionaires prefer more direct input with their own grassroots lobbying groups. Remember Citizens United?

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Mar 23 - 11:08 PM

Rachel Maddow tonight talked about how Spiro Agnew (Richard Nixon's corrupt vice-president) was persuaded to step down from office and agree not to run for office again in exchange for the charges against him being set aside or diminished so he didn't have a trial or do time. HINT HINT - they could offer something like that to Trump.

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From: Helen
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 12:33 AM

Yes, but Trumpty-Dumpty will say anything to anyone to get out of accusations, and then he'll turn around and do the opposite when it suits him.

It might work if there were strong enough legal sanctions to throw at him if he goes back on his promise.

I just watched a news item and there were literally only a few people protesting on his behalf outside Mar-a-Lago. A few thousand less than Trump would have hoped for.

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From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 02:04 PM

Right Helen, Trump calls the prosecutor and judge Filthy Mudbloods but soon we can call him number 623586.

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From: Helen
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 02:57 PM

It might not be soon, Donuel. I think the current indictment is the thin edge of the wedge, just a thorn in his side. The really pointy legal issues for him will come after this one.

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From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 03:21 PM

While the wheels of justice grind slowly, I have seen recent expedited rulings by the court. A gradual strategy has some advantages.

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From: Helen
Date: 01 Apr 23 - 03:37 PM

Something just popped into my head. Those scenes in movies where someone is in a room and suddenly, slowly, inevitably the walls start moving inwards with no escape route, threatening to crush the main character unless s/he can come up with a brilliant strategy to save her/his life.

The hero in Hollywood lives to fight another day, due to the amazing magic of film and scriptwriters. Can an ex-TV star pull off the same stunt in real life?