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BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2

Helen 16 Nov 22 - 06:03 AM
MaJoC the Filk 16 Nov 22 - 06:37 AM
Stilly River Sage 16 Nov 22 - 09:51 AM
Big Al Whittle 17 Nov 22 - 10:58 AM
Dave the Gnome 17 Nov 22 - 11:03 AM
meself 17 Nov 22 - 11:33 AM
Donuel 17 Nov 22 - 11:35 AM
Doug Chadwick 17 Nov 22 - 12:17 PM
Big Al Whittle 17 Nov 22 - 12:24 PM
Doug Chadwick 17 Nov 22 - 12:26 PM
Steve Shaw 17 Nov 22 - 12:28 PM
Stilly River Sage 17 Nov 22 - 12:54 PM
Big Al Whittle 17 Nov 22 - 01:08 PM
Doug Chadwick 17 Nov 22 - 01:10 PM
Dave the Gnome 17 Nov 22 - 02:21 PM
Big Al Whittle 17 Nov 22 - 04:02 PM
meself 17 Nov 22 - 08:34 PM
Stilly River Sage 18 Nov 22 - 12:22 AM
Stilly River Sage 18 Nov 22 - 11:43 AM
Dave the Gnome 18 Nov 22 - 12:02 PM
Stilly River Sage 18 Nov 22 - 12:13 PM
Stilly River Sage 18 Nov 22 - 03:41 PM
Stilly River Sage 20 Nov 22 - 04:34 PM
Donuel 22 Nov 22 - 07:59 AM
Stilly River Sage 25 Nov 22 - 11:23 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 06:03 AM

Posts from the last Trump thread have been moved over here to lighten the load on the Mudcat server, as suggested by Joe. If you wish to visit the first portion (now closed, but still in view, visit here. It seemed appropriate to start with that link to Doonesbury, an excellent source of political commentary in the US. ---mudelf



Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau for March 27, 2022

Thanks Sandra, that's funny!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 06:37 AM

> Maybe he genuinely believes that it is not possible for him to lose

There's no "maybe" about it. He's a victim follower of Norman Vincent Peale: the constant repetition of keyphrases indices self-hypnosis. This really is a case of "if he says it often enough, he'll start to believe it himself".


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 09:51 AM

Norman Vincent Peale yes, but also Roy Cohn. And Cohn was insidious in his persistent misbehavior and was a mentor to Trump. (He was a nasty piece of work, largely responsible for convicting the Rosenbergs, and then serving as counsel for Joe McCarthy.) And I bless Tony Kushner for his Angels in America and making Cohn a major character with enough of his bad behavior in view to educate a newer generation. Of course that was a couple of decades ago now - it's time for a revival to teach the newest voters about Trump's most important "influencer."


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Subject: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 10:58 AM

Could any of our American friends explain to a dumb Englishman....?

1) Donald encouraged a mob to attack the White House and Democratic Process.
2) He has systematically lied, and every so often there is a news story about criminal behaviour - but he's never been arrested. Why?
3) A great political party seems to think he is the American citizen most fitted to lead and represent your country.
4) millions of Americans want to vote for him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:03 AM

Al, there were millions of us Brits that believed a nicotine stained toad that leaving the EU would be good for us and that a posh blonde idiot was fit to lead our country. Let he who is without sin...


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Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: meself
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:33 AM

I don't know .... Used to be, when I'd see film footage of Hitler or Mussolini emoting at the podium to adoring crowds, I'd assume that there was something peculiar in the German and Italian cultures that made such obvious buffoons appear to be serious figures, and that no "Anglo-Saxon" society, to put it in that retrograde way, could be susceptible to such dangerous comedy. Then along came trump ... and Boris, I suppose, although beside his American counterpart, he almost appeared dignified, from the western shore of the pond, anyway ....


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Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:35 AM

Short of reading my 4,738 posts on Trump, I would say many people are under-educated, underachieving, criminally enthusiastic losers who feel that "he is one of us".


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Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:17 PM

I'd assume that there was something peculiar in the German and Italian cultures ......., and that no "Anglo-Saxon" society, to put it in that retrograde way, could be susceptible .....

The Angles and Saxons were from Germany before they had the sense to move to England.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:24 PM

I don't think the two are in any way comparable.

For one thing Boris has been cast out into the darkness, whereas Donal is knee deep in fan mail.
By and large Johnson was doing quite good moral things( like the furlough scheme) at a time Trump was suggesting injecting ourselves with disinfectant.

I mean theres bad, and theres outrageously bonkers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:26 PM

... and before anybody nit picks, I know it wasn't called England until a while after they arrived.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:28 PM

One thing that needs blowing right out of the water, Al: the Tory furlough scheme was no act of charity. The Tories had NO ALTERNATIVE but to bring it in. Any government of any colour would have had to do exactly the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:54 PM

Back when we were overwhelmed with UK political threads and started enforcing the one thread for all of that complaints came in about how many Trump threads were out there and I agreed that the cretin deserves no more than one thread. I have just moved Big AL's discussion into this thread, because no matter how laudable the discussion might start, it would soon deteriorate into the mess that is on the other thread.

Now that Trump has inserted himself into a political framework in hopes of heading off prosecutions that can be discussed here, along with anything else about him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 01:08 PM

I really don't think the furlough scheme would have occurred to a Thatcher government.

None of which matters a damn. The question on the table is, why the sane section of the American population allowed the rest of the world to be threatened by this man's re-emergence. He should be in a jail cell by now. This is the country where a guy got a life sentence for nicking a pizza.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 01:10 PM

NO new Trmp threads!

HOORAY!

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 02:21 PM

They have all grabbed power and airtime through populism, Al. Yes, there are degrees but do you imagine for one minute that Johnson, Farage or any of the other sociopaths out there would not have done the same as Trump (or even Putin!) if they thought it would extend their power?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 04:02 PM

If you want Dave, who knows?

I just can't understand how this has happened.
I mean, can't you remember the weeks when Jan 6th was the top news story in OUR country.

Many of his followers really do not believe in democratic process and openly talk of prosecuting anyone who opposes him. If no one is allowed to beat him in an election. We have another dictatorship like Russia and China and North Korea.

The two things twat Farage and Bumbling Boris are not in the same league of tragedy for the free world.
Might be an idea if America stopped sending us films and TV series about what a whizz bang law enforcement service you have over there, whilst this man openly schemes to steal your democracy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: meself
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 08:34 PM

"Might be an idea if America stopped sending us films and TV series ...." Might be an idea if Britain stopped ordering them ....


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:22 AM

Whether or not they support Trump or break off in their own demented direction, the GOP has a slim majority in the House and will turn it into a circus for the next two years. Biden has seen them coming from a long way off.

Colorado's Lauren Boebert is in a race so close that there will be a recount - it would be nice to get rid that clown. Another jerk, Madison Cawthorn, has moved out of his congressional office two months before the end of the term. Is he still collecting a paycheck? He apparently often votes by proxy - having another member of congress cast his vote, so he's absent from the capitol. He lost his primary last spring so has been withdrawing from the congressional work for months.

By all accounts, when Trump first won he was surprised to win, and when he had to spend time in the White House he was unhappy with how old and relatively small it is, compared to his palatial residences. Melania refused to move in for months, and now that most of his family are "stepping back to spend time with their families," one wonders if Melania would refuse to participate in a campaign, should he get the nomination.


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Subject: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp thr 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 11:43 AM

Joe has suggested that to keep Mudcat stable, reducing the number of very long threads is something I might do with this particular thread. So I'm moving the last couple of dozen posts to this new thread and then will close the old thread but link it for reference.

Trump Actions and Effects - part 1

This was the first post until I transferred some from the last thread - I'll leave it here for now as an explanation for what happened. And apologies to Big Al - I could have just switched over to his thread and closed the old one. But whatever - it is done, and his questions are in this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:02 PM

You may want to do the same with the UK politics one?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:13 PM

I had that same thought. Later this afternoon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 03:41 PM

In the couple of hours since I made this new thread, Merrick Garland has appointed Jack Smith special counsel to continue working with the various Trump investigations and COMPLETE the work. Not start from scratch, but to work with those who are already doing the job and move forward. Saves a lot of time. Trump, of course, calls this political theater. NPR reporting on today's events.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Nov 22 - 04:34 PM

Twitter-owner Elon Musk has reinstated Trump on Twitter. Was it really necessary to spend $44B to bring the Orange One back online? This seems to be where the whole episode has been heading.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Nov 22 - 07:59 AM

Trump has ignited a culture war on of all people Trans folk.

The gunman was taken down by the heroic patrons
Five were dead and dozens wounded by the crazy Satan
pulled down by his armor and beaten until he was still
Heros ended hell but red politicians had not the will
to grab the AR from the killer's twitching hands
That it took patron heroes is easy to understand
The crowd outside gathered and the ambulances came
To carry off the bodies of pawns lost in the game
Some stared in hatred, and others turned in pain
But everyone wished they could feel safe again
The veteran is now a hero but his daughter's friend was dead
We revisit these scenes every week and never get ahead
chorus:
Some blame the rhetoric and
others blame the heretic.
We want some heroes to make sense
and come to our defense
Every year we fall farther behind
as the blind are shooting the kind
It is time to open your eyes
and end the lies that deny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Nov 22 - 11:23 AM

E. Jean Carroll is making use of a new law in NY State that went into effect yesterday, allowing victims of physical violence like rape to sue their attackers even decades after it happened. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jean-carroll-files-new-lawsuit-donald-trump-alleging/story. If there was ever anyone who deserved it to have people pile on regarding charges and lawsuits, Trump is it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Nov 22 - 11:02 AM

It is a race to see if the Democratic House (until January 2) can get their hands on the Trump tax returns and park them in places where the Kevin McCarthy gangsters can't immediately hide them from view. The Supreme Court didn't block the access, surprising with his appointees, but for now we will take what we can get.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Nov 22 - 11:54 AM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2022/11/27/trump-calls-kanye-west-seriously-troubled-man-in-latest-defense-of-dinner-with-west-and-white-supremacist-nick-fuentes/


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