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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Sep 23 - 09:46 PM

'Set the stage for a demagogue': Presidential historian explains rise of Trump

Former President Donald Trump's uniquely successful rise to power over the Republican Party, and his durable support even in the face of criminal indictments, is a product of unique changes to the cultural and media landscape that have only recently become possible.

That's the view of presidential historian Michael Beschloss, who joined MSNBC's Ari Melber to explain his thinking.

"I'm curious what you think we can make of the history as it unfolds," said Melber. "And what in our past shows us guidance for things that were unprecedented and then have a precedent, like holding these government officials, who are presumed innocent, accountable? Putting them on trial for coup attempts?"

Instead of the media per se, Beschloss credits the rise of the Internet in the mid-1990s, and the beginning of "Fox News" (that isn't really a news site, it presents current events as entertainment).

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Sep 23 - 12:58 PM

With democracy on the ballot, the mainstream press must change its ways
US news organizations have turned Biden’s age into a scandal and continue to cover Trump as an entertaining side show

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From: Donuel
Date: 21 Sep 23 - 08:22 AM

Three sources have told Rolling Stone that Trump has asked his lawyers about possible prison time.
He wondered; if a bad prison or a Club Fed prison is possible, Would I have to wear an orange jumpsuit, Could I stay at home, Would the Secret Service be involved, what if I won while in jail?
He is fretting about it despite his public remarks.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Sep 23 - 11:32 AM

Sounds like someone just got out of jail. That might make it easier to figure out who Q is.

The Trump support tag team (aka the "Freedom Caucus" in the US House of Representatives) are having a go at Merrick Garland this morning in a sham hearing. They should have a stack of individual pack Wet Ones hand wipes at the table - people will feel like they need to clean up after being addressed by the likes of Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan.

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From: Donuel
Date: 20 Sep 23 - 09:16 AM

EX GENERAL FLYNN IS THRILLED https://www.cnet.com/news/misinformation/qanon-explained-q-returns-after-18-months-of-silence/

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 11:06 AM

Case it point, how quickly, during the #MeToo era, Kirsten Gillibrand insisted Al Franken resign from the senate, and to avoid a fuss, Al did. But his faux pas were of enthusiastic hugs or getting too close in personal space, and when he was told to stop it, he did. We lost a really good one there. Thanks, Kirsten, for watching out for the party. Not. I always thought he should have stayed. She's much less effective or helpful.

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From: Donuel
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 10:27 AM

A Trumpist can relate to a fuck up or a bad choice addict like Trump. They sympathize because a bit of them is like Donald. Sometimes they screw up through no fault of their own. In their eyes, Trump can do no wrong because of his trappings of wealth or white supremacy.

Other people of some accomplishment can do wrong by just speaking.

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From: Helen
Date: 18 Sep 23 - 01:12 PM

Regarding Trump's recent confusion, I'm wondering whether the strain of having to think before he speaks due to legal constraints is starting to make his brain boil over. All that stress of holding in what he really wants to say must be taking a toll on his health. For him, NOT saying something and evaluating every word he does say is not a normal state of affairs.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Sep 23 - 12:25 PM

The US House of Representatives lost a member last week when Christ Stewart of Utah resigned due to his wife's health (a stroke).

Stewart’s departure sets off a race to replace him on the Appropriations Committee, right as lawmakers feud over stopgap plans to fund the government before the month is out.

With his name already gone from his office door, Stewart left the Capitol on Thursday before the final votes of the day. In an interview with Roll Call on his way out of town, he shared his next moves (including buying some cows) and recalled his “somber” mood in 2013 during the first shutdown of his career. “We did what we thought was right at the time, and it didn’t work,” Stewart said.

A special Republican primary to fill his seat was held in the Beehive State last week, where his former aide, Celeste Maloy, clinched the nomination and is heavily favored to win on Nov. 21.

His replacement won't be there until after the November special election, so the House has only a four member GOP margin.

Trump will no doubt be dabbling in that kind of race, still trying to line up ducks to support him. As Rachel Maddow says, "#WatchThisSpace

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 18 Sep 23 - 11:57 AM

> Maybe he thinks he did beat Obama.

Given that [according to legend] he stood the first time because Obama teased him in public ....

.... then again, that statement may just be a side-effect of them-and-us-itis.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Sep 23 - 08:55 AM

Trump said, "if you take a look at Obama and look at some of the things he's done its the same thing and the country's very divided and we did it with Obama and we won an election that everyone said it couldn't be won..."

I think he is confusing Obama with Hillary Biden?
Maybe he thinks he did beat Obama.

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From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 23 - 07:00 PM

Speaker McCarthy is making Trump happy. Behind McCarthy's sad eyes, I don't think he is very committed to the Kabuki impeachment.

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From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 23 - 01:29 PM

"It is entirely up to the House to say what crime is committed AND that an inquiry is not required for impeachment."
To be precise...
It is the House Committee in charge of impeachment that decides, not the entire House.

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From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 23 - 01:19 PM

By the Constitution, the House of Representatives has “the sole power of impeachment,” and the Senate “the sole power to try all impeachments.” When the President of the United States is tried on impeachment, the Chief Justice is to preside. The concurrence of two thirds of the Senate members present is necessary to convict. “The President, Vice-President, and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” But judgment cannot “extend further than to removal and disqualification to hold and enjoy and office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.” Thus it is obvious that the founders of the government meant to secure it effectually against all official corruption and wrong, by providing for process to be initiated at the will of the popular branch, and furnishing an easy, safe, and sure method for the removal of all unworthy and unfaithful servants.

The fly in the ointment is that an inquiry has always led to a 'partial' impeachment except for Nixon who resigned first. Also there is disagreement on what constitutes treason, high crimes and misdemeanors. It is entirely up to the House to say what crime is committed AND that an inquiry is not required for impeachment. Technically the House could lie about the crime and evidence for an impeachment vote. The Senate however would then acquit. https://time.com/6313452/impeachment-experts-biden-inquiry-weakest-us-history/

Impeachment is not as clear-cut as we think even if we like things to be neat and orderly. The House could say "Evidence, we don't need no stinking evidence. We just KNOW". I bring these possibilities up because we are living in strange times.

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From: Helen
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 11:12 PM

Yes, thanks for clarifying that SRS. It's a bit confusing for an Aussie.

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 10:01 PM

> It isn't an impeachment, it is an impeachment inquiry.

Thanks for noting the distinction, SRS: that had escaped our notice here. But it does mean the I word gets put in a headline, so the offender's fanbase salivates on queue.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 09:19 PM

It isn't an impeachment, it is an impeachment inquiry. The research that happens first to see if there is a case for impeachment - big difference.

There are some far right wingnuts who make a lot of threats but don't follow through as far as the Speaker of the House position.

I'm hoping the Washington, D.C. case is pushed sooner on the calendar to keep Trump from having more time to intimidate everyone he hates. It is an option open to Judge Chutkan that would limit the damage, but she also needs to muzzle him somehow. I think the threat of jail would overburden the Secret Service, but he has it coming.

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From: Helen
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 07:28 PM

I have seen two news commentaries about the difficult situation in which Kevin McCarthy has found himself regarding the announced impeachment against President Biden. One was on Deutsche Welle news on Oz TV, and one was on an Oz show called Planet America.

Both commentaries imply that McCarthy is caught between a rock and a hard place, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't announce the impeachment. One of the comments on Planet America was that because the impeachment was not put to a vote, it may not be valid, but that McCarthy may not have been confident of sufficient numbers to pass the motion.

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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 02:02 PM

Ya gotta hand it to Trump, he sure is ambitious. Not only does he have all Seven Deadly Sins, but he also has a few unique ones of his own creation.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 06:28 PM

Special counsel asks for 'narrow' gag order for Trump in election interference case
Jack Smith's office says Trump's "disparaging and inflammatory attacks" have spurred threats against witnesses and threaten the court process.

"Like his previous public disinformation campaign regarding the 2020 presidential election, the defendant’s recent extrajudicial statements are intended to undermine public confidence in an institution—the judicial system—and to undermine confidence in and intimidate individuals—the Court, the jury pool, witnesses, and prosecutors," they wrote.

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From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 05:49 PM

Jack Smith has requested that the
Judge limit Trump's speech. Perhaps next month she will have a hearing to ask/tell Donald to not intimidate, threaten, and defame people involved in his case. The words gag order might be tossed around but a true gag order involves a real gag.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 02:02 PM

Delay, delay, delay - that is the game plan for the Trump defenders on all fronts. A hearing on Sept. 14 resulted in a possible delay because Trump is suing the judge in the New York civil fraud case that is scheduled to start in early October this year.

Trump New York fraud case could be delayed after ex-president sues judge

Trump has repeatedly sought to delay or throw out the case, and has repeatedly been rejected. But this time, the Daily Beast said, an appeals judge, David Friedman, “grant[ed] the former president’s request in a surprise hearing on Thursday that was closed off to the public”.

Trump lawyers said Engoron defied an appellate order to work out which real-estate deals in the case are in fact too old to be examined for bank and insurance fraud. Engoron, the Daily Beast said, is due to make the decision soon.

Trump lawyers also protested against a recent order in which Engoron rejected an attempt to delay the case, writing curtly: “Decline to sign; defendants’ arguments are completely without merit.”

Following Friedman’s move to pause the case, a full appeals panel was due to consider the question, potentially altering the case or delaying it altogether. A spokesperson for the state court system told the Times the appeals panel would rule in the week beginning 25 September.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 12:52 PM

Fulton County judge rules DA can't try all 19 defendants together in Trump RICO case

Fulton County Judge Scott McAfee ruled Thursday in favor of severing the trials for 17 of the defendants, including former President Donald Trump, from that of two of the defendants in the election interference case.

The trial for the two defendants, lawyers Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell, is scheduled to begin Oct. 23. McAfee denied their request to have trials separate from each other. McAfee said his decision "is simply a procedural and logistical inevitability."

"Beginning with the logistical concerns, the Fulton County Courthouse simply contains no courtroom adequately large enough to hold all 19 defendants, their multiple attorneys and support staff, the sheriff's deputies, court personnel, and the State's prosecutorial team," McAfee said in the ruling. "Relocating to another larger venue raises security concerns that cannot be rapidly addressed."

And on another front, the federal judge in the documents case restricted Trump's access to the documents in question. He isn't allowed to take them back to Mar a lago to peruse them at his leisure. But it took her an entire month to come up with a ruling that would normally have been rendered in a single day. She's slow-walking this for Trump.

A lot of recent content and the attendant bickering was removed. Stick to talking about the cases.

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From: Helen
Date: 08 Sep 23 - 04:33 PM

Donald Trump hosts $US100,000 a head fundraiser to help Rudy Giuliani pay legal bills

* "Mr Giuliani is facing a barrage of legal fees, fines, sanctions and damages related to helping Mr Trump with his cases
* "He faces a total of 13 charges, including the violation of Georgia's anti-racketeering law
* "His son Andrew told local radio the event was expected to make $US1 million"

See, he does care about the people around him. Or is he just helping his own cause as usual?

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Sep 23 - 09:35 AM

Now they need to go after Jim Jordan who did the EXACT SAME THING as Peter Navarro.

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From: Donuel
Date: 08 Sep 23 - 07:51 AM

Trump loyalist Navarro did not even put on a defense or call a single witness. It took the jury 2 hours to convict.
His fate is a lesson to others to show up when subpoenaed,

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Sep 23 - 02:37 AM

Another Trump aide convicted

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From: Donuel
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 07:03 PM

Democrat Cornel West has announced his Green Party candidacy for President.
He is for truth and justice for the middle class and poor.
While no third-party candidate has received an electoral vote, he can introduce new ideas. If he had not run I would have hoped Michael Dyson would have.

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From: Lighter
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 03:39 PM

And if 30% of all eligible voters in the right states vote for Trump, and 29% vote for Biden, Trump wins.

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From: Helen
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 03:30 PM

Perhaps Donuel meant to say, "Many people wonder what Trump tapped into to entice nearly half of the REPUBLICAN people to his version of populism."

Statistically it is still not correct but Donuel, generally I view your broad brush comments as thought provoking.

And don't forget that the TV persona of Trump has a very high influence. The disconnect between what is loosely referred to as "reality TV" and reality itself is difficult for some viewers to see. A TV star or Hollywood star projects an aura of being in control of dramatic situations and some voters project that carefully crafted and directed vision onto political reality.

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From: Donuel
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 02:37 PM

Spoken like a professional statistician.

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From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 08:21 AM

"Many people wonder what Trump tapped into to entice nearly half of the people to his version of populism."

No he did not. Only 61.4% of people who could vote did so.

Trump received 45.9% of those people, in reality receiving the vote of about 30% of the whole voting population.

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From: Donuel
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 07:13 AM

Many people wonder what Trump tapped into to entice nearly half of the people to his version of populism. It is not merely fascism or his big lie. IT IS WHAT PEOPLE LEARNED AS CHILDREN. For years people learned how to suppress their early teachings that were offensive in society but carried those feelings deep inside. Once legitimized those early lessons surface.
All it took was a bigot like Trump with the veneer of financial success and shared hatreds from an early age.

Donald's dad was sympathetic to the KKK and Donald absorbed all those teachings early.

Childish beliefs lead to childish behavior. It is not that hard to understand Trumpism and its fallacies from this POV. Perhaps this has been said before but we should bear in mind we are dealing with children with real guns.

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From: Helen
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 02:13 AM

Wouldn't the six voters have to wait until the outcome of the trial before they could do that? Or are they just anticipating that he will be found guilty and commencing action now?

Ok, from that article I can see that they are basing their action on this:

"The group included findings on Trump's efforts to overturn the election results that were revealed by the House Jan. 6 committee, which dissolved in January after having concluded a lengthy investigation into the riot, as well as from special counsel Jack Smith's investigation that led to one of the four criminal indictments against the former president."

I guess there is time pressure to start their action now, given the impending election processes.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 12:48 AM

Six Colorado voters sue to remove Trump from the state's 2024 ballot
Their lawsuit contends that Trump should be disqualified from running in future elections because he violated Section 3 of the 14th Amendment with his role in the Jan. 6 insurrection.

Pretty much says it all. NBC doesn't have a firewall so people should be able to read this, but here is the gist of it:

Their suit, which was filed in the U.S. District Court in Denver, contends that Trump should be disqualified from running in future elections under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, which states that no person shall hold any office if they "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" after having taken an oath to support the Constitution.

The group called on the court to remove Trump from the 2024 ballot and declare that it would be "improper" and "a breach or neglect of duty" for Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold, a Democrat, to allow his name to appear on any future primary or general election ballots.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) and several law firms filed the lawsuit on behalf of the six voters — four Republicans and two unaffiliated.

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From: Helen
Date: 06 Sep 23 - 11:06 PM

Just mention Sydney Powell and Rudy Giuliani and I am transported back in time to watching them both at that outdoor press conference at the landscaping business. He's sweating hair dye and she is spouting the most unbelievable, whackadoodle guff I have ever heard in my life. Hollywood, here they come!

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Sep 23 - 09:47 PM

Chesebro doesn't want to get any of Powell's cooties, but the judge isn't letting them sever the connections - they will be tried at the same time.

Georgia Judge Says Two Defendants in Trump Case Will Get Early Trial Together
Sidney Powell followed Kenneth Chesebro in demanding a speedy trial, but neither defendant in the election interference case wanted to be tried with the other.

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From: Helen
Date: 06 Sep 23 - 09:24 PM

Former US president Donald Trump faces new developments in Georgia election subversion case, defamation lawsuit

"Former US president Donald Trump's legal predicaments seem to be gaining momentum ahead of his 2024 electoral run.

"Amid a slew of new developments, Mr Trump has announced during a radio interview he is willing to testify in his classified documents case.

"The case, which alleges Mr Trump mishandled classified documents at his Mar-A-Lago resort after he left office, is scheduled to begin in May.

"'I look forward to testifying,' Mr Trump told the conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt.

"He has pleaded not guilty to all charges and accused prosecutors of targeting him for political purposes.

"While the claim sounds promising, Mr Trump has a history of showing a willingness to testify in investigations, only to back-pedal later."


It's a long article but in the light of the last statement I quoted from it, we'll just have to wait and see whether he does actually testify.

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From: Helen
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 08:15 PM

Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio sentenced for seditious conspiracy role in January 6 riots

"The former chairman of the far-right Proud Boys group has been sentenced to 22 years' prison for his role in the events of January 6 Capitol riot.

...

"Tarrio addressed the court ahead of sentencing, describing what happened on January 6 as "national embarrassment".

"He apologised to members of Congress, the police officers who defended the Capitol and the citizens of Washington DC.

"The defendant's voice cracked as he pleaded with the judge to show him mercy and broke down when talking of his family, saying he had failed them.

"'I am not a political zealot. Inflicting harm or changing the results of the election was not my goal,' Tarrio said."

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 06:41 PM

The First Amendment lets him speak about everything else, and his range of material is bizarrely huge and off-topic for any other politician out there. He collects what he considers injustices and must rant against them - this is where the threat of being fined keeps him in check. We hope. So far it has done nothing to remove him from the race (though the debate about the seditious acts and whether a court prosecution is required to remove him from running is ongoing).

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From: Helen
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 03:44 PM

Ah yes, the hip-pocket nerve!

I'm thinking that the restrictions placed on him communicating in the time before and during all of the trials is probably the most effective way to take him out of the running for the election. He's in a damned-if-you-do talk, and damned-if-you-don't situation because he can't sway voters with his BS. So the trials themselves could go either way, but the time leading up to and during the trials could be the crucial turning point. Possibly a glimmer of hope there??!!

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 03:25 PM

Someone probably got past all the "advisors" to be heard - telling him that the most likely result of his continuing to talk are hefty fines that he can't avoid or appeal. Hundreds of thousands that would hit him where it hurts most, in the ego.

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From: Helen
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 11:45 AM

Trump has been surprisingly quiet. Not a natural state for him, so I expect the urge to make his usual outbursts will outdo the legal demands placed on him for silence and self preservation. Silence, for him, would be anathema.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Sep 23 - 01:58 PM

I didn't know anything about either so thanks for the heads up

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Sep 23 - 11:18 AM

That's a really bad joke. The Kennedy in question drank the konspiracy koolaid years ago and Williamson is a bonafide flake. Roll them together and sprinkle with cash and you have Trump, and the Democratic party is not one to go with either of them. Ever.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Sep 23 - 05:43 AM

On Wiki it says Robert F Kennedy Jr and Marianne Williamson.

Are either likely to become president?

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From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 06:54 PM

When Proud Boy Leaders are sentenced to 15 and 17 years they have been seen to break down crying.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 06:27 PM

Trump's standing armies of thugs are losing their leadership, as several more are found guilty and sentenced to between 10 and 20 years in prison for the January 6 events. Like drug cartels there are probably lower-level thugs moving into the top positions. In a news story this week I heard them discuss how some of these groups have regular meetings and dues. The Southern Poverty Law Center gives a thorough history of the group.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 10:52 AM

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. . .

Jamie Raskin Turns the Tables on James Comer and That’s Bad News for Jared Kushner

From the end of that article:

Raskin later added during an interview on MSNBC that he is seeking all documents and information related to Jared Kushner’s business dealings with Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern nations. Raskin pointed out that if the Committee can investigate Hunter Biden, who never worked in government, they can also investigate Jared Kushner who worked in the Trump administration and then got billions of dollars from foreign governments.

Raskin is using Comer’s own words against him, and if Comer refuses to investigate Kushner, the contrast will highlight the House Republican Hunter Biden’s hypocrisy

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From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 06:56 AM

Even sycophant Mike Pense was not loyal enough to Trump.
Who would be? Thats easy. Donald Trump Jr.
At 45 he is old enough. This notion started as a cartoon idea but...
A Trump double ticket would ensure Trump's power no matter what happens in Court like pardons etc.
Would Republicans go for it? a 2021 article

'a double Trump' sounds more like a bowel movement than a Presidential ticket but Republicans have done stranger things.