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From: Donuel
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 09:41 AM

Also in the event of deaths, the Speaker is third in line for the Presidency.

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From: gillymor
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 09:14 AM

For the benefit of those that aren't familiar with the creep, he spells it "Jordan".

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From: gillymor
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 08:41 AM

Trump as Speaker would be like pouring gasoline on an already blazing dumpster fire.

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From: Lighter
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 07:54 AM

Under a Republican Party rule adopted in 2005, Trump is not eligible to be speaker:

"Rule 26—Temporary Step Aside of a Member of Leadership who is Indicted (a) A member of the Republican Leadership shall step aside if indicted for a felony for which a sentence of two or more years imprisonment may be imposed."

But let's see if they change the rule....

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From: Donuel
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 06:06 AM

Trump is eligible to be Speaker but so far he is pushing for Jim Jorden who is an insurrection insider.

Trump allegedly shared nuclear sub info with an Australian businessman.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 12:11 AM

On MSNBC this evening one of the guest commentators described Trump's followers as the "MAGA jackal conference." BINGO. Nailed it.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 12:01 PM

Trump is using inciting language that his former attorney Michael Cohen calls "mob boss talk." It's the "meddlesome priest" that Don mentioned, I've heard that same line used by Neal Katyal and Andrew Weissmann to describe the way Trump indicates he wants things done. His rhetoric speaks volumes.

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From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 10:12 AM

https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/trump-call-violence-presidency


"The blood of America is poisoned by illegal immigrants" is not saying that we should kill them does it?
Trump has called for the execution of the joint chief of staff General Milley.

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From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 09:45 AM

I remind folks of the numerous mass shootings be it in a North Carolina church or Buffalo NY or Walmarts in Texas targeting Latin Americans - ALL by white supremacists. Those killed in the January 6th insurrection are more problematic yes, but one can not say the shootings by MAGA fanatics are few and far between. Those incidents are up 400%

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From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 09:21 AM

Then you think they are unintended consequences?

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From: Lighter
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 08:09 AM

We'd best keep our facts straight.

There have been a very few murder attempts by MAGA fanatics, but none was at Trump's suggestion.

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From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 07:05 AM

Political speech is the most protected speech in America.
So how will the limited/narrow gag orders play out?
The inevitable defiance of narrow gag orders may end up in the Supreme Court. I do not think Judges are going to pull 'the contempt of court trigger' and jail Donald.

Intimidating and defaming witnesses will be allowed or not on social media like Twitter, Truth Social or even Mudacat..
I suspect Trump's impunity and inciting speech will continue.

When assassinations of Trump's targeting technique happen, he has not been indicted as an accomplice to murder. Is it an unintended consequence or a deliberate order to attempt murder?

When the King asked...
"Can someone rid me of this meddlesome priest?" Is it a question or an order?

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 04:04 AM

...or deify/demonise a leader!

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 02:25 AM

The point about cultism is very valid. We saw it here in the UK with Boris Johnson too. There are still people who believe he was just 'one of the lads'. Sadly Jeremy Corbyn was becoming a bit of a cult amongst left wingers too and, for all he is a decent human being with good policies, he was not a god. Compare how the press treated Johnson and Corbyn and you may see how to stamp out a cult following.

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From: Lighter
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 07:57 PM

It's this bad:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/clarion-call-arms-experts-why-094501341.html

Sorry to say I know somebody like this. Highly educated too and otherwise a very decent human being.

It defies easy understanding.

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 05:29 PM

Just seen this on the telly:

Asked for his advice to the next House speaker, Biden laughed and said: “That’s above my pay grade.”

Now that's what I call class...   :-)

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 01:34 PM

One of MSNBC's talking heads said of the GOP House with the removal of McCarthy and now needing a new leader: "It's like the dog caught the car." Now what. Well, GOP members who wanted McCarthy to be rescued by some votes from Democrats are moving the deck chairs on the Titanic.

In Trump World, Donald Trump's Properties Will Likely Be Auctioned Off, Attorney Says.

Donald Trump's properties will likely be liquidated and sold off at auction after a judge found he had committed fraud, New York's former assistant attorney general has said.

Tristan Snell was speaking after a court found that the former president had massively inflated the value of some of his properties and ordered that some Trump companies involved be stripped of their corporate licenses. It's one part of Trump's ongoing civil fraud trial.

"The worst outcome that could have come from this case has already been handed down, and that is for the corporate licenses to be canceled," Snell told MSNBC. "The properties are likely going to be liquidated. The properties are probably going to be sold at auction. That's probably what is going to happen. We don't know that for sure, but that is probably where this is headed. So [Trump] is already really, really in trouble."

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 11:09 AM

As a whole, the news today illustrates many ways that the GOP is crumbling. One commentator remarked that much of this started when they invited in the populist voice (and that would go back to the Tea Party). Gingrich brought incivility to the fore when he was in the House.

Americans need to be exposed to high school Civics and Social Studies courses again. So many of them don't seem to have an idea of what the various political positions are supposed to be doing and why a responsible life of service, whatever your political viewpoint, is a desirable thing.

Trump is in court for the third day. One suspects that this is about as long as he'll stick with these appearances, partly because so many eyes are averted from him, instead drawn to the drama at the Capitol, and because he'll be bored with the process in which he has no control.

Breaking news - one of the worst of the worst, Jim Jordan, has announced he wants to be Speaker of the House. #3 in the presidential succession. No way. What a complete jerk.

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From: Helen
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 02:33 AM

SRS, that handshake video was a scream. But would any blonde woman want to touch his hand? Not in a million years.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 06:50 PM

Trump had a gag order dropped on him this afternoon after he put up a post that doxed the judge's clerk (put up her Instagram information and suggested she was involved with Senator Schumer, the senator from her state, where it isn't unreasonable to have your photo taken with your representative).

The posts were removed from Truth Social.

That thing Lighter shared is pretty damned surreal. A drawing of the sociopathic guy from Queens situated beside a European-featured representation of the christian nationalists' icon who by all rights (and common sense) is a swarthy-skinned Middle-Eastern man. There's a White House photo of when a bunch of those folks were in the Oval Office and stood around Trump, laying their hands on him. He apparently doesn't like to be touched (self-proclaimed germaphobe, according to various news sources). Though this handshake he offered is a good one: Melania handshake from Polish first lady

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 06:36 PM

The Trump defense did not ask for a jury trial but the scattershot lies they are telling their base is that it is unfair they were not given a jury trial. The other lie is that a form got lost and they were denied a jury without said form.

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 06:09 PM

Good, measured post on polls, Lighter. As I said, polling is embedded in our democracies. Polls are just one factor in influencing the electorate. Right-wing mass media and lying politicians are probably far more influential. We can't silence any of 'em. That's democracy for you.

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 05:36 PM

Wow Lighter, I wonder who taught who that no-surrender mug shot scowl.

Today reminded me of a bloodless 'night of the long knives' when the Nazis ate their own.

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From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 04:58 PM

I've heard Trump compared to Jesus by his apostles (Trump's apostles) several times.

Now check out Trump's latest post:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-shares-surreal-courtroom-sketch-094724195.html

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From: Helen
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 04:56 PM

I guess McCarthy thought that if he backed the Biden "impeachment" issue he might be safe-ish. Guessed wrong! I think he was in a lose-lose position, whichever decision he backed.

BTW Donuel, I agree with what you said in your post 02 Oct 23 - 07:42 PM about the Electoral College and mandatory voting. As an outsider in a country with an electoral system which works fairly well most of the time, I view both of those parts of the U.S. electoral system with considerable disquiet.

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 04:46 PM

Speaker of the House McCarthy has been ousted 216 to 210.
1st time in our history.

He was a toadie sycophant ousted by other Trump toady sycophants.

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From: Helen
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 04:28 PM

Thanks for the explanation, Lighter.

In Oz, there have been occasions where the polling indicates a likely result and the opposite result occurs. In some cases I think that the polling helps some voters to think more clearly about their voting intentions, and possibly sways them into a different path than originally they intended. We are poised to find out one of those results in a week or so. I have my fingers and toes crossed that the current polling results are not the final outcome on that issue.

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 04:10 PM

Day of election exit polls are revealing. https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/national-results/house/0

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From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 03:04 PM

The polls I pay attention to are those cited by the major news outlets. They identify all those variables, including the question, the polling organization, and the margin of error.

Professional pollsters take a stratified random sample of about 1,200 people. And, yes, that's enough to give a good ballpark estimate. The key is that the sample population be representative of the whole: random (everybody has an equal chance of being polled) and stratified (every subgroup of the population is covered). If properly conducted, the margin of error is about +/-3% 95% of the time.

Consider that polling in 2016 indicated Clinton would probably be elected. In fact, she did win the popular vote, which is what most of the polls were measuring.

As for the electoral vote, polling showed both candidates within the margin of error, i.e., the election could go either way. As it turned out, Trump won more than Clinton because of the geographical distribution of the votes.

Possibly the biggest caveat about polls nowadays is that people are now more likely to give false answers because they think the polls are rigged by the Fake News and the Deep State. Another is that caller ID keeps many people from answering the phone.

There are statistical methods that can minimize such bias in the sample.

A well conducted poll isn't infallible, but it's far from meaningless.
Even in 1948, when most polls had mistakenly predicted that Dewey would beat Truman, a swing of only about 1% in California, Ohio, and Illinois would have given him the victory in the electoral college.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 03:04 PM

People need to understand that polls are biased and inaccurate. I have the feeling that more people understand that, but the results of elections are a sure-fire way to tell if that is the case.

The House is debating whether McCarthy stays as Speaker or not. Another artificial crisis manufactured by Trump zealots.

Meanwhile, Trump must figure that the attention of attending court is worth his time as far as donations coming in. He's in court for a second day when he doesn't have to be. I wonder if he's staying at the Tower or commuting in from the golf course? I think the tower will be forfeit if/when the trial concludes, since the summary judgement has already shown that fraud did happen.

The details of that judgment are here: Judge rules Donald Trump defrauded banks and insurers while building real estate empire

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 01:43 PM

Too many polls are flawed by asking less-than-representative samples of people, samples that are too small and by asking leading questions, often by polls which seek a particular outcome. There are reputable pollsters who work on these things. Polls, whether you like it or not, are embedded in our democratic process. The UK forbids polling on the day of the election except for exit polls, which tend be be extremely accurate. If you want to ban polls (I'm sure you don't), we should also be banning tabloid newspapers and Fox/Sky News, which have the same baleful influences on the electorate that you list.

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From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 12:54 PM

Or else that it's vital for them to vote.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 12:14 PM

What polls do is convince people who do pay attention to them, who aren't skeptical about the questions asked, who did the asking, or how they were phrased, that their vote can't possibly matter. They discourage people from voting.

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From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 12:11 PM

It depends on the polls you're talking about.

Polls saying that Trump's matches or beats Biden's right now doesn't prove that he'll win or even be nominated.

But polls (like the 2020 election) that show his incredible popularity, which seems not be declining in spite of everything so far (adjudicated sexual abuse, adjudicated decades of fraud, admission of stealing nuclear secrets, a call for General Milley's execution) surely tell us something about the public that's far from "meaningless."

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 11:41 AM

I also write postal mail and faxes and emails to my Congressional representative and US Senators.

Again . . .

Polls Are Meaningless

That is all.

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From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 11:31 AM

I've written my GOP congressmen several times. Sometimes I get a polite response telling me gently I'm an idiot. Once I got quite a strident one (even more clearly a form letter) swearing that the inviolability of the Second Amendment was sacred ("I will not lift a finger to infringe upon the rights of my constituents.")

Mostly I hear nothing. Why, when you have an overwhelming Trump base, waste a staff member's time on somebody who'll never vote for you anyway?

We used to have a Republican senator who was pretty mild on Trump. In reply to an email, one of his staffers actually called us on the phone to discuss an issue briefly. We were impressed. (Of course it wouldn't have happened if his boss hadn't needed votes, but that's just built in.)

Our conservative senator declined to run for re-election, because his weakness on Trump had turned his constituency dead against him. His successor doesn't have that problem.

Keep those cards going.

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 10:55 AM

At least Robert is part of the resistance. My family is part of the resistance in ways available to us outside of silly social media. We write handwritten postcards to Republicans in Georgia, Ohio and some other states prior to elections. The questions and hopes expressed are not strident but one of friendship and explanations of why we care. So far the number of cards sent are less than a thousand but we are not alone. We buy postcards from Amazon with themes from the universe to pictures we think might be saved. We will never know about actual results but even small efforts can have positive effects.

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From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 10:15 AM

The best Reich can say is "a bit more secure" and "some hope."

Meanwhile Trump keeps rising in the polls. Literally. No politician in my lifetime could have gotten away even once with what he gets away with almost daily.

Court findings have had no effect on either him or his 80,000,000 followers.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 10:07 AM

Robert Reich has played the role of Cassandra ever since Trump started running for the office. I follow him on several of the social media sites. His pithiest pieces appear on the Substack blog and as occasional editorials and the New York Times or the Washington Post.

Trump's appointees to the Supreme Court aren't there just to take away women's rights, they're also there to enable more oligarchs to retain their wealth. One of the first cases of the session has to do with the funding of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau; the payday lenders (who end up charging massive interest on their loans) and other scammers want the bureau gone, so are trying a backdoor method to get there. If Trump loses all of his properties we should not be surprised to learn of Trump Payday Loans in the near future.

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 07:55 AM

P.T. Barnum had a valid point when he said "There is a sucker born every minute". Fortunately, there are good people born within the rest of that minute.

The Trump base are the suckers and would join the firing squads to execute our; Generals, journalists, democrats, minorities, Judges, law enforcement officers, and even women and children, ALL by order of Commander and Chief President Trump. It has happened before as I have warned since I was 13.

This time I believe we have the Institutional guard rails to save lives.

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 07:19 AM

This piece in today's Guardian reveals a ray of hope (without having to mention the colour of Trump's face and other irrelevancies that might cheer us up but which get us nowhere). Trump may think he's playing to the gallery of his supporters but the steadfastness and sanity of the various layers of the judiciary could be his ultimate undoing. Before you get to the end, if you didn't know already the author is an eminent American, not a know-all Brit. Robert Reich:

There’s reason to feel a bit more secure about the strength of American democracy, notwithstanding Donald Trump’s escalating threats.

For one thing, a large bipartisan coalition in both chambers of Congress has beat back the House Maga Republicans’ attempt to shut down the government.

This was a major defeat for Trump, who had called a shutdown “the last chance to defund these political prosecutions against me and other patriots”.

Americans should also feel encouraged by the tenacity of judges and prosecutors in holding Trump accountable, notwithstanding his threats.

Ever since his first indictment, Trump has attacked with increasing ferocity the judges and prosecutors who have tried to hold him accountable – calling them “deranged”, “thugs”, “hacks”, “corrupt”, “biased”, “disgraceful”, “radical”, “unAmerican”, and worse.

To their credit, judges and prosecutors have not wavered.

They have set strict timetables for Trump’s criminal trials. They have refused Trump’s many motions and appeals. They have ruled against Trump in the civil lawsuits against him and meted out tough penalties.

Last Tuesday, Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling in a civil lawsuit brought by New York’s attorney general, found that Trump and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used to secure financing.

As punishment, Engoron ordered that some of Trump’s business licenses be rescinded.

Trump lashed out: “The widespread, radical attack against me, my family, and my supporters has now devolved to new, un-American depths, at the hands of a DERANGED New York State Judge, doing the bidding of a completely biased and corrupt ‘Prosecutor,’ Letitia James,” Trump wrote.

As Trump’s attacks on judges and prosecutors have worsened, prosecutors and judges have responded forcefully.

On Friday, the Colorado district judge Sarah B Wallace, overseeing the first significant lawsuit to bar Trump from the 2024 presidential ballot – on grounds that the 14th amendment explicitly bars from office anyone who has sworn an oath to uphold the constitution and has taken part in an insurrection – issued a protective order prohibiting parties in the case from making threatening or intimidating statements.

Judge Wallace said the order was necessary to protect the safety of those involved – including herself and her staff.

Meanwhile, Jack Smith, the special counsel overseeing the justice department’s prosecutions of Trump, has requested a gag order against Trump. Smith linked Trump’s ominous rhetoric to threats against prosecutors, judges and potential witnesses.

“The defendant continues these attacks on individuals precisely because he knows that in doing so, he is able to roil the public and marshal and prompt his supporters,” Smith said in the court filing.

One day after he posted “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING FOR YOU!” a woman called the chambers of the US district judge Tanya Chutkan, who has been assigned to the election fraud case against Trump, and said that if Trump is not reelected next year, “we are coming to kill you”. The woman was later charged with making the call.

The top prosecutors on the four criminal cases against Trump – two brought by the justice department and one each in Georgia and New York – now require round-the-clock protection.

Smith himself – whom Trump has described as “a thug” and “deranged” – has been a target of violent threats. His office is spending $8m to $10m on protective details for him, his family and senior staff members, according to officials.

Since its agents carried out the court-authorized search of Mar-a-Lago in August 2022, the FBI has seen the number of threats against its personnel and facilities surge more than 300%.

A Trump supporter wearing tactical gear and armed with an AR-15 tried to breach the FBI field office in Cincinnati. He failed, fled and later died in a shootout with law enforcement.

Trump is escalating his threats and provocations. Even if one or two of his followers act on them, the result would be tragic.

Merrick B Garland, the attorney general, recently told Congress that Trump’s demonization of judges and prosecutors threatened the rule of law. “Singling out individual career public servants who are just doing their jobs is dangerous – particularly at a time of increased threats to the safety of public servants and their families,” Garland said.

Garland then added: “We will not be intimidated. We will do our jobs free from outside influence. And we will not back down from defending our democracy.”

America owes a great debt of gratitude to the judges, prosecutors, grand jurors and prospective jurors who refuse to be intimidated by Trump’s threats, and who will not back down from defending our democracy.

While the mainstream media continues to treat Trump as a politician rather than a peril, normalizing his dangerous threats, the nation’s judges and prosecutors are protecting the rule of law.

They – along with Saturday’s bipartisan majority vote in Congress against Maga extremists – give some hope that the fever of Trumpism may be starting to break.

[Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is a professor of public policy at the University of California, Berkeley]

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From: Donuel
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 09:32 PM

Besides the skating rinks, six of Trump Place residential buildings in New York City’s Upper West Side dropped his name in February.
And his Trump SoHo hotel (also in New York City) removed the president’s name in 2017, spurring a full financial recovery from a prolonged slump.
Two other Trump hotels?—one in Toronto, the other in Panama?—dropped his name in 2017 and 2018.
The SoHo, Toronto and Panama hotels are no longer doing business with Trump, while the Upper West Side condos still have a contract with him.
Multiple reports suggested that the properties cut ties with Trump because in a divisive political climate, the association was hurting business.
The Panama hotel, however, accused the Trump Organization of evading taxes a year after ending their business relationship.
Key background: Trump’s iconic skating rinks are located in the northern and southern ends of New York City’s Central Park. But he doesn’t own them. Instead, Trump leases them from the city, a long-held arrangement held over from when he took over their reconstruction in the ’80s. Trump famously got the project done on time and under budget, the Post reported, helping to solidify him as a reputable businessman.

Tangent: Since Trump began his 2016 presidential campaign, his estimated net worth has dropped by $1.4 billion in Forbes’ ranking of billionaires. Polarizing politics were partly behind the decline, costing Trump an estimated $200 million at last count.

The Chicago Trump Tower International Hotel still has its name on it.
The Tribune has called for the name to be jackhammered off. The top floors are still owned by RUSSIAN oligarchs.

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From: Donuel
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 08:13 PM

The Trump Supreme Court is back in session and will decide if domestic abusers may buy guns. They could decide that guns have more rights than women. We shall see. They will also decide if physicians and experts in government agencies will decide on medical issues like abortion pill availability or if lower court judges will decide.

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From: Donuel
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 07:42 PM

TYRANNY OF THE MINORITY is a book about using intimidation and outrageous rhetorical tactics. As Trump targets Judges, AGs, opponents and law enforcement it fuels his followers to attack 82 year olds with a hammer, shooting up FBI offices or commit other cowardly acts.

A few laws would be curative. Get rid of the Electoral College. In 1969 we came within a handful of Senate votes to abolish the Electoral College.

Make registering to vote mandatory at 18 so that voter suppression would no longer work.

Make white supremacy political parties illegal just as we did with the Communist Party.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 05:50 PM

I had a conversation with a psychologist friend this weekend, discussing the difference between personality disorders, such as sociopaths, versus brain and chemical disorders such as schizophrenia or bipolar conditions. You can't "treat" personality disorders except for trying to teach some skills through lots of therapy and practice. Trump has no empathy, he's not going to learn it or be shamed into exhibiting it. He has a martyr thing going now, he collects grievances and acts out against those he considers his tormentors. He rarely listens to his attorneys when they try to get him to stop slamming his victims and the prosecutors and judges.

He belongs in jail. Without a phone or a computer.

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From: Helen
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 05:03 PM

Oh sorry, Lighter. :-)

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From: Lighter
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 04:53 PM

Yes, Helen. I was making a different point.

Cheney, Romney, and Kinzinger are not of the MAGA ilk. But the MAGAs are firmly in the GOP saddle, and C, R, & K have no influence on them.

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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 04:24 PM

I wonder if he’s trying to intimidate the judge, Dave? He’s a bully by nature, perhaps he thinks he can bully the judge into going easy on him?

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 03:56 PM

What does he hope to achieve by publicly criticising the judge during the trial? On the basis that he does nothing without hoping to gain something, what will he get from this?

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From: Helen
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 03:22 PM

Lighter, SRS was referring to non-MAGA politicians, people who were prepared to act on their principles:

"Think of someone who served on the January 6 committee."