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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 06:03 AM

Posts from the last Trump thread have been moved over here to lighten the load on the Mudcat server, as suggested by Joe. If you wish to visit the first portion (now closed, but still in view, visit here. It seemed appropriate to start with that link to Doonesbury, an excellent source of political commentary in the US. ---mudelf



Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau for March 27, 2022

Thanks Sandra, that's funny!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 06:37 AM

> Maybe he genuinely believes that it is not possible for him to lose

There's no "maybe" about it. He's a victim follower of Norman Vincent Peale: the constant repetition of keyphrases indices self-hypnosis. This really is a case of "if he says it often enough, he'll start to believe it himself".


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Nov 22 - 09:51 AM

Norman Vincent Peale yes, but also Roy Cohn. And Cohn was insidious in his persistent misbehavior and was a mentor to Trump. (He was a nasty piece of work, largely responsible for convicting the Rosenbergs, and then serving as counsel for Joe McCarthy.) And I bless Tony Kushner for his Angels in America and making Cohn a major character with enough of his bad behavior in view to educate a newer generation. Of course that was a couple of decades ago now - it's time for a revival to teach the newest voters about Trump's most important "influencer."


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Subject: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 10:58 AM

Could any of our American friends explain to a dumb Englishman....?

1) Donald encouraged a mob to attack the White House and Democratic Process.
2) He has systematically lied, and every so often there is a news story about criminal behaviour - but he's never been arrested. Why?
3) A great political party seems to think he is the American citizen most fitted to lead and represent your country.
4) millions of Americans want to vote for him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:03 AM

Al, there were millions of us Brits that believed a nicotine stained toad that leaving the EU would be good for us and that a posh blonde idiot was fit to lead our country. Let he who is without sin...


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Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: meself
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:33 AM

I don't know .... Used to be, when I'd see film footage of Hitler or Mussolini emoting at the podium to adoring crowds, I'd assume that there was something peculiar in the German and Italian cultures that made such obvious buffoons appear to be serious figures, and that no "Anglo-Saxon" society, to put it in that retrograde way, could be susceptible to such dangerous comedy. Then along came trump ... and Boris, I suppose, although beside his American counterpart, he almost appeared dignified, from the western shore of the pond, anyway ....


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Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 11:35 AM

Short of reading my 4,738 posts on Trump, I would say many people are under-educated, underachieving, criminally enthusiastic losers who feel that "he is one of us".


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Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:17 PM

I'd assume that there was something peculiar in the German and Italian cultures ......., and that no "Anglo-Saxon" society, to put it in that retrograde way, could be susceptible .....

The Angles and Saxons were from Germany before they had the sense to move to England.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:24 PM

I don't think the two are in any way comparable.

For one thing Boris has been cast out into the darkness, whereas Donal is knee deep in fan mail.
By and large Johnson was doing quite good moral things( like the furlough scheme) at a time Trump was suggesting injecting ourselves with disinfectant.

I mean theres bad, and theres outrageously bonkers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:26 PM

... and before anybody nit picks, I know it wasn't called England until a while after they arrived.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Please explain Donald Trump...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:28 PM

One thing that needs blowing right out of the water, Al: the Tory furlough scheme was no act of charity. The Tories had NO ALTERNATIVE but to bring it in. Any government of any colour would have had to do exactly the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 12:54 PM

Back when we were overwhelmed with UK political threads and started enforcing the one thread for all of that complaints came in about how many Trump threads were out there and I agreed that the cretin deserves no more than one thread. I have just moved Big AL's discussion into this thread, because no matter how laudable the discussion might start, it would soon deteriorate into the mess that is on the other thread.

Now that Trump has inserted himself into a political framework in hopes of heading off prosecutions that can be discussed here, along with anything else about him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 01:08 PM

I really don't think the furlough scheme would have occurred to a Thatcher government.

None of which matters a damn. The question on the table is, why the sane section of the American population allowed the rest of the world to be threatened by this man's re-emergence. He should be in a jail cell by now. This is the country where a guy got a life sentence for nicking a pizza.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 01:10 PM

NO new Trmp threads!

HOORAY!

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 02:21 PM

They have all grabbed power and airtime through populism, Al. Yes, there are degrees but do you imagine for one minute that Johnson, Farage or any of the other sociopaths out there would not have done the same as Trump (or even Putin!) if they thought it would extend their power?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 04:02 PM

If you want Dave, who knows?

I just can't understand how this has happened.
I mean, can't you remember the weeks when Jan 6th was the top news story in OUR country.

Many of his followers really do not believe in democratic process and openly talk of prosecuting anyone who opposes him. If no one is allowed to beat him in an election. We have another dictatorship like Russia and China and North Korea.

The two things twat Farage and Bumbling Boris are not in the same league of tragedy for the free world.
Might be an idea if America stopped sending us films and TV series about what a whizz bang law enforcement service you have over there, whilst this man openly schemes to steal your democracy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: meself
Date: 17 Nov 22 - 08:34 PM

"Might be an idea if America stopped sending us films and TV series ...." Might be an idea if Britain stopped ordering them ....


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:22 AM

Whether or not they support Trump or break off in their own demented direction, the GOP has a slim majority in the House and will turn it into a circus for the next two years. Biden has seen them coming from a long way off.

Colorado's Lauren Boebert is in a race so close that there will be a recount - it would be nice to get rid that clown. Another jerk, Madison Cawthorn, has moved out of his congressional office two months before the end of the term. Is he still collecting a paycheck? He apparently often votes by proxy - having another member of congress cast his vote, so he's absent from the capitol. He lost his primary last spring so has been withdrawing from the congressional work for months.

By all accounts, when Trump first won he was surprised to win, and when he had to spend time in the White House he was unhappy with how old and relatively small it is, compared to his palatial residences. Melania refused to move in for months, and now that most of his family are "stepping back to spend time with their families," one wonders if Melania would refuse to participate in a campaign, should he get the nomination.


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Subject: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp thr 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 11:43 AM

Joe has suggested that to keep Mudcat stable, reducing the number of very long threads is something I might do with this particular thread. So I'm moving the last couple of dozen posts to this new thread and then will close the old thread but link it for reference.

Trump Actions and Effects - part 1

This was the first post until I transferred some from the last thread - I'll leave it here for now as an explanation for what happened. And apologies to Big Al - I could have just switched over to his thread and closed the old one. But whatever - it is done, and his questions are in this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:02 PM

You may want to do the same with the UK politics one?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 12:13 PM

I had that same thought. Later this afternoon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 22 - 03:41 PM

In the couple of hours since I made this new thread, Merrick Garland has appointed Jack Smith special counsel to continue working with the various Trump investigations and COMPLETE the work. Not start from scratch, but to work with those who are already doing the job and move forward. Saves a lot of time. Trump, of course, calls this political theater. NPR reporting on today's events.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Nov 22 - 04:34 PM

Twitter-owner Elon Musk has reinstated Trump on Twitter. Was it really necessary to spend $44B to bring the Orange One back online? This seems to be where the whole episode has been heading.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Nov 22 - 07:59 AM

Trump has ignited a culture war on of all people Trans folk.

The gunman was taken down by the heroic patrons
Five were dead and dozens wounded by the crazy Satan
pulled down by his armor and beaten until he was still
Heros ended hell but red politicians had not the will
to grab the AR from the killer's twitching hands
That it took patron heroes is easy to understand
The crowd outside gathered and the ambulances came
To carry off the bodies of pawns lost in the game
Some stared in hatred, and others turned in pain
But everyone wished they could feel safe again
The veteran is now a hero but his daughter's friend was dead
We revisit these scenes every week and never get ahead
chorus:
Some blame the rhetoric and
others blame the heretic.
We want some heroes to make sense
and come to our defense
Every year we fall farther behind
as the blind are shooting the kind
It is time to open your eyes
and end the lies that deny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Nov 22 - 11:23 AM

E. Jean Carroll is making use of a new law in NY State that went into effect yesterday, allowing victims of physical violence like rape to sue their attackers even decades after it happened. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jean-carroll-files-new-lawsuit-donald-trump-alleging/story. If there was ever anyone who deserved it to have people pile on regarding charges and lawsuits, Trump is it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Nov 22 - 11:02 AM

It is a race to see if the Democratic House (until January 2) can get their hands on the Trump tax returns and park them in places where the Kevin McCarthy gangsters can't immediately hide them from view. The Supreme Court didn't block the access, surprising with his appointees, but for now we will take what we can get.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Nov 22 - 11:54 AM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2022/11/27/trump-calls-kanye-west-seriously-troubled-man-in-latest-defense-of-dinner-with-west-and-white-supremacist-nick-fuentes/


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Nov 22 - 11:07 PM

Jewish Allies Call Trump’s Dinner With Antisemites a Breaking Point
Supporters who looked past the former president’s admirers in bigoted corners of the far right, and his own use of antisemitic tropes, now are drawing a line. “He legitimizes Jew hatred and Jew haters,” says one. “And this scares me.”


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Nov 22 - 09:50 AM

To follow up on Big Al's post:
"Could any of our American friends explain to a dumb Englishman....?

1) Donald encouraged a mob to attack the White House and Democratic Process.
2) He has systematically lied, and every so often there is a news story about criminal behaviour - but he's never been arrested. Why?
3) A great political party seems to think he is the American citizen most fitted to lead and represent your country.
4) millions of Americans want to vote for him.
"

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The Republican party is now a loose coalition of antiabortion advocates, anti-immigration zealots, gun nuts, climate and holocaust deniers, fiscal conservatives, greedy corporations, Gerrymandering states and pure fascists..etc.. who don't necessarily 'like' Trump, but want stuff he seems willing to give them in order to retain power and stay out of jail. (He gave them a Supreme Court)
   Now, as Trump gets wackier by the day, they are trying to oh, so carefully, disassociate themselves from him as his troubles increase... but find someone(s) else to keep his 'spirit' alive.
   This leads to power struggles, crazy candidates, awkward alliances and the extreme polarization of the electorate we see these days. The 'United' States doesn't mean what it was supposed to.
   The recent election shows that the majority is still trying to avoid an autocracy, but it's not easy when ***STATE'S RIGHTS*** still allows some states to simply ignore certain parts of the Constitution and re-write voting laws.

So, Big Al.. Englishmen are not dumb... but they simply have a hard time comprehending why we don't DO SOMETHING! We have painted ourselves into a corner where our own democratic legal system can be used against that frustrated majority. It's kinda like Monty Python.."Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition"


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Nov 22 - 02:26 PM

On the computer I'm using this afternoon they don't have an ad blocker installed; when I clicked on this thread an ad for buying a Trump commemorative coin popped up. Gag.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Nov 22 - 03:50 AM

Acoording to the New Scientist in an article on "swarms" and group behaviour (Feb 1 - 2014 p49). It takes a quote from the publication "Science" vol 334, p1578 and says:

For better or worse, ignorance plays a significant role in the way democracies operate.

Sound familiar?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 11:28 AM

Today's January 6 Committee hearing meeting is coming up in a couple of hours. It will be largely symbolic as prosecution referrals go, but it means a whole lotta testimony, collected under oath, will be headed to the Justice Department now before the new Congress can suppress the work.

Trump's ass is grass. So to speak.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 03:27 PM

Trumps domestic policy leaves much to be desired,


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 03:49 PM

His domestic policy is simply "fleece the rubes".


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 04:47 PM

Sounds like he could be in a spot of legal bother. Bring it on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 22 - 11:45 PM

This might be what pushes him to decide to rejoin Twitter. An enabling event. Just as Musk is told that everyone on the planet wants him to step down and appoint a CEO for Twitter. What could happen?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Dec 22 - 09:34 PM

Mitch McConnell today told NBC News that he would actively work against any Trump candidates in the 2024 election. But even if he said it doesn't mean he'll do it. He just said it over again like he has, in more or less the same meaning, in the past.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Dec 22 - 02:27 PM

For 300 years the racial hatred in the US has been horrendous. Immigrants have faced quota systems that prevented their entry. America first referred to an anti immigration policy and isolationism.
Trumps knows his hateful base.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Dec 22 - 07:27 AM

Here comes the 2023 Trump candidacy.. for President.
Its going to get late early
Quote Yogi Beara


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Dec 22 - 11:21 PM

The Trump environment of no consequences for lying about important stuff has shifted, and is about to bite George Santos In The Ass.

George Santos Faces Federal and Local Investigations, and Public Dismay
Prosecutors said on Wednesday that they would examine Mr. Santos, who has admitted lying about his work and educational history during his campaign.
Dec. 28, 2022
Updated 11:14 p.m. ET
Federal and local prosecutors are investigating whether Representative-elect George Santos committed any crimes involving his finances and lies about his background on the campaign trail.

The federal investigation, which is being run by the U.S. attorney’s office in Brooklyn, is focused at least in part on his financial dealings, according to a person familiar with the matter. The investigation was said to be in its early stages.

In a separate inquiry, the Nassau County, N.Y., district attorney’s office said it was looking into the “numerous fabrications and inconsistencies associated with Congressman-elect Santos” during his successful 2022 campaign to represent parts of Long Island and Queens.

It was unclear how far the Nassau County inquiry had progressed, but the district attorney, Anne Donnelly, said in a statement that Mr. Santos’s fabrications “are nothing short of stunning.”

She added: “No one is above the law, and if a crime was committed in this county, we will prosecute it.”

A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment on Wednesday. The office’s interest in Mr. Santos was reported earlier by ABC News, and the Nassau County inquiry was first reported by Newsday.

Both investigations followed reporting in The New York Times that uncovered that Mr. Santos had made false claims about his educational and professional background, including whether he worked at Citigroup and Goldman Sachs. The Times also found that Mr. Santos had omitted key details about his business on required financial disclosures.

The statement by Ms. Donnelly, a Republican like Mr. Santos, added to the growing pressure on Mr. Santos, who was elected in November to represent northern Nassau County and northeast Queens in Congress beginning in January.

In interviews with several other media outlets on Monday, Mr. Santos confirmed some of the inaccuracies identified by The Times. He admitted that he had lied about graduating from Baruch College — he said he does not have a college degree — and that he had made misleading claims about working for Citigroup and Goldman Sachs.

Mr. Santos also acknowledged not having earned substantial income as a landlord, something he claimed as a credential during the campaign. In making his admissions, he has sought to explain his dishonesty as little more than routine résumé padding.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Dec 22 - 12:19 AM

And . . . once again, Trump was able to run out the clock.

Jan. 6 Committee Withdraws Its Subpoena of Trump
With the panel wrapping up its work in the final days before a new Congress, it has also pulled back its subpoenas for other witnesses.
The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol on Wednesday withdrew the subpoena it had issued to former President Donald J. Trump, conceding that the lawmakers had run out of time to obtain his documents or testimony.

The committee is set to dissolve on Jan. 3. It waited until October to issue a subpoena to Mr. Trump, who promptly sued the panel to try to block it.

The panel had directed Mr. Trump to produce an extensive list of documents and communications — including phone calls, texts, encrypted messages and emails — related to nearly every aspect of his effort to invalidate the 2020 election between Nov. 3, 2020, and Jan. 6, 2021. But Mr. Trump’s suit made it highly unlikely that he would ever testify, given the committee’s end date.

His ass is still grass. There are too many investigations, PLUS, the new head of the investigation for the DOJ can issue subpoenas. It isn't over for "Donal John," as one obnoxious Mudcatter used to fondly call him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Dec 22 - 09:50 AM

There isn't a paywall here so CNBC should have a link to Trump's taxes tomorrow when they're released at 9am Eastern time.

Here is the Senate Report summarizing his tax status. (A PDF)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Dec 22 - 12:00 PM

Trump Tax Returns Released by House Democrats
The publication of former President Donald J. Trump’s private tax documents comes amid questions about why the I.R.S. failed to fully audit him during his presidency.

New York Times, if you can open it the whole story should be there, with links.

The release came 10 days after Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee published two reports about Mr. Trump’s taxes as part of an inquiry into the Internal Revenue Service’s practice of conducting mandatory audits on presidents while they are in office. The reports found that the I.R.S. failed to audit Mr. Trump during the first two years of his presidency and did not begin the examination process until 2019, after House Democrats initiated oversight proceedings in an attempt to gain access to his tax records.

“Our findings turned out to be simple — I.R.S. did not begin their mandatory audit of the former president until I made my initial request,” Representative Richard E. Neal of Massachusetts, the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, said in a statement on Friday.


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From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 22 - 04:21 PM

America has always had two sets of laws. One is written for certain races and the poor The other set of laws is unwritten and for the wealthy. The Constitution sometimes crosses that border between the two sets of laws. That's why Trump wants to destroy the Constitution.
By god if they try to use the Constitution against Trump what is this country coming to?


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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 31 Dec 22 - 06:12 AM

> America has always had two sets of laws.

So has England (I can't speak for the rest of the Untied Kingdom). It goes back a Long Way: "To them that have shall be given, and from them that have not shall be taken away even that which they have" appears several times in the Gospels.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Dec 22 - 09:15 AM

America has a set of laws regarding court cases and procedures that Trump and many rich people are able to game for themselves, at any rate.


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From: Donuel
Date: 31 Dec 22 - 03:02 PM

His goose is cooked in time for Christmas.


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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 06:17 AM

> His goose is cooked in time for Christmas.

But he insists on leaving it on the sideboard. He'll end up with cold turkey.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 01:57 PM

Once he's finally charged with something and he's knocked out of contention in future elections, they can stop worrying about all of these investigations, though I would like to see him sentenced to prison time, even if he receives probation.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 07:40 PM

New Years Eve party at Mar a Lago
"Former President Trump’s annual New Year’s Eve party at Mar-a-Lago was packed this year, with the guests reportedly including hundreds of the club’s members and Trump political allies.

Among the attendees were MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell and the former president’s onetime attorney Rudy Giuliani. Eric Trump and wife Lara were also in attendance, as well as Melania Trump, according to The Palm Beach Post. But several other family members appeared notably absent, including Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump."

Apparently he included a press opportunity but none of the cable news agencies attended. Poor widdle Donald.


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From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 07:54 PM

did he really invite fake news media, or are they all Truth(full) media?


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 23 - 11:39 PM

I didn't delve deeply into that, just glanced through a Yahoo blurb about a press opportunity that the networks ignored.


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From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 12:51 AM

only the fake news media would ignore him ....


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From: robomatic
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 02:08 AM

There is a fine old Americanism which may have outlived most American minds by now:

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." This is kind of sad because it displays an implicit self confidence that the average American was competent to parse reality with enough success to figure it out.

This is why I was so depressed by the performance of many Americqans in the 2016 election. And here SIX YEARS LATER the supposedly canny citizens of New York prove themselves PDS (PrettyDamnSusceptible) to the mouthings of a guy in a relatively clean brown suit who practises a little resume inflation.

Unless he actually stole enough money to arouse the cupidity of his co-sponsers, he falls into that democratic basin of a-legality that allows votes to supplement good order, law and morality.

This is something that Trump has not led us to, but has shown us as in a mirror of shame and stupidity.
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From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 05:02 AM

its one of those anomalies.
during the war, apparently you were lucky if you could get 10 woodbines - yet there was Churchill with an inexhaustible supply of Cuban cigars. Apparently some people did resent that, but not the majority.

Now we have Trump who doesn't pay any tax, though most people do.
Apparently some people do resent that, but not the majority.


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From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 10:41 AM

Trump pushes for tri-partisanship and then rule by Royalty.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jan 23 - 10:49 AM

From Grammarist:
The saying, Fool Me Once, Shame on You; Fool Me Twice, Shame on Me was first used in 1650 by politician Anthony Weldon. It’s a witty way to say that you should learn from someone’s tricks on you. If you don’t, you’re the only one to blame.


Weldon was an English 17th Century courtier and politician.

I looked it up. That's one of those quotes that could as easily be attributed to Mark Twain (who may also have said it, or something more clever along those lines.)

That Long Island con man has operated under the national radar until now. Chances are he doesn't have the personal fortune to play the same massive shell game that Trump has managed.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jan 23 - 01:05 PM

Electoral Count Act reforms are a resounding victory for bipartisanship and democracy

A quick read, showing that bi-partisan cooperation is still possible. And Trump's tactic is now impossible to pull off (his alternative electors plot).


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 05:10 AM

I was alarmed to hear today that half of all Americans believe that there was fraud (along the lines of the Trump allegations) during the last election, and that about 20% think that the Jan 6 attack was in some way justified. These numbers are increasing, the latter having doubled.

Putting Trump behind bars may mean he can't become president, but it doesn't mean he can't become a martyr.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 11:41 AM

I've heard the reverse, that those numbers of true believers are decreasing.

It would be nice if they could drive the Congressional January 6 participants out of office, that would be one way to take the Speaker's gavel away from McCarthy. There are more than four of them, the current lead the GOP has. Enablers, line-straddlers and quiet resisters: How GOP lawmakers contributed to Jan. 6


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 12:17 PM

I can't remember where I saw that now, but a quick trawl found this bunch of bullet points in the Daily Mail (I definitely didn't first read it there!). Apparently, the figures were obtained in a YouGov poll of 1500 Americans. Hmm. Daily Mail...YouGov... *gulp*

-Americans by a wide margin disapprove of the pro-Trump attack on the Capitol
-But the number of people who endorse it has grown these past two years
-The share of approving Americans has risen from 9 to 20 percent
-Startlingly, the biggest shift in opinion has been among Democrats
-The share of approving Democrats has risen from 3 to 16 percent


Details, if you really want them, in the Mail if you google "Support for the January 6 attack on the US Capitol has more than doubled..."


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 01:28 PM

Dark money is supporting a lot of the members of the insurgency, I read that this morning. Trying to turn them into "patriots."


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 11:36 AM

The MAGA folks in the GOP now intend to defund, one agency or individual at a time, anyone they don't like.


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From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 01:54 PM

In two weeks it will be revealed if Trump is to be indicted in Georgia.


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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 04:06 PM

Should that be on the precognition thread?


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 04:23 PM

:-)


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 04:54 PM

It's unfortunate, but probably not unusual, that when Biden's attorneys were clearing out an office he used at a U of Pennsylvania think tank where he spent some time as vice president, they found a few classified documents. They notified the National Archives immediately and they were retrieved from their locked closet the next day. Unfortunate because Trump is going to try to use it for all he can to suggest that he should be able to keep the documents he had OR that Biden should be charged, etc.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 06:10 PM

I just read another headline about another ancient stash of classified papers, but I haven't read the article. It could be that when the Trump thing happened everyone was told "go check your own papers and lets get this all cleared up." The fact that Trump tried all sorts of prevarication and resistance to returning papers the Archives knew he had means he committed a crime where other omissions of returning may be just an oversight. Makes it harder for the AG to make a case, though.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jan 23 - 09:30 PM

While at the gym today one of the televisions over the equipment was tuned to FAUX News. I couldn't hear it, thank dog, but the whole time the chiaron ran about Hunter Biden and Biden's stashed top secret documents. There isn't a story there, but they'll make it into one if they can.


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 06:06 AM

For the life of me I can't understand why Biden didn't sneak those papers out of the way as soon as the Trump documents outrage came to light. Tsk.


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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 08:11 AM

Probably forgot he had them.


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From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 08:55 AM

In Bizzaro world there may exist anti-plumbers who plant documents and don't steal them.


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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 10:33 AM

That's an armed-forces tiger-team tactic, Donuel: leave a note reading "Your code books have been stolen" on top of the code books in your secure safe. Successful penetrations are promptly followed by snap site inspections, and the fan changes colour abruptly.

In this case, however, methinks Hanlon's Razor is more likely to apply IRL.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 10:59 AM

If you're a rational, prudent person and your predecessor is charged with holding onto top secret papers and refusing to return them, it should occur to you, if I'd been in a place where those documents came your way, to check your own files and see if any got left behind. It sounds like this is what happened.

If Bush or Carter or Clinton or anyone else has old documents like this they returned them quietly or they're so old to be harmless now. Hillary was put through the ringer over her private email server and was found to be without malice and no charges filed. That would be the reasonable outcome with any of these others, and the sooner it is taken care of, the better.

Trump is in his own toxic case a souvenir collector and I bet if you checked the phones of his visitors to the White House or Mar-a-Lago that you'll find they snapped a few photos of those documents Trump was waving around.


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From: Charmion
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 02:47 PM

Classified records turn up in the strangest places.

Some forty tears ago, a Canadian submarine skipper died and left his professional papers to the Public Archives (as it then was). The collection was packed up at the old salt’s house in Esquimalt, trucked to Ottawa, and in due course accessioned. It came to me, then a student on a four-month stage, to be “arranged”, as they say in the racket.

Three cubic-foot storage boxes and two weeks into the project, I found a four-inch file box tightly packed with Secret and Top Secret documents about nuclear warheads for torpedoes and performance studies of the then brand-new Oberon class of diesel-electric boats.

After his command tour, the skipper was posted to the Operations branch at Naval Headquarters. It was deep in the Cold War and a time of frantic security theatre, but he nevertheless took work home — and forgot some of his reference materials.

The world continued to revolve on its axis.


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From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 23 - 02:28 PM

Where is the final resolution, if any, in that story?


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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 08:26 AM

Could the Democrats be playing chess while the Republicans are playing checkers? I can imagine that Biden reviewed the classified report on the Steele dossier that included the famous Russian Pee video. Not knowing this, Republicans will cry out that the documents must be made public, at which time Democrats will appear to reluctantly give in.
Hijinks ensue.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 11:52 AM

That last remark appears to be a brain fart - have you suddenly gone back in time six years? It made an impact when it first came out, but surely Biden didn't have the Trump pee video stashed in the locked garage cabinet. So much water under the bridge since then (or pee over the dam. . . )

In the alternate universe of Trumpville, Matt Gaetz says Trump should pick Sarah Huckabee Sanders or Kristi Noem as his running mate to get votes from women who don't like him for his VP running mate next time. Gaetz hasn't sussed that women despise those two fools also.
Trump announced on November 15 that he is running for president again in 2024. This is his third presidential run: He won his first race against Clinton in 2016 and lost to President Joe Biden in 2020.

In October, The New York Times Magazine journalist Robert Draper told the Daily Beast that Trump has "repeatedly" discussed choosing Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene as his running mate. Draper said this is because Greene has been "unflaggingly loyal" to the former president through a litany of scandals and lawsuits.

In January, The Daily Beast also reported, citing two sources who have spoken to Trump and an unnamed GOP strategist, that Trump has mostly been considering female running mates for his 2024 campaign. GOP Reps. Elise Stefanik and Greene, as well as former Democratic congresswoman and presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard, have been floated as candidates, per the Daily Beast.

Such incompetence packed into the top of one political party.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 11:55 AM

And firmly in the Trump Sock Puppet school of governance, New details link George Santos to cousin of sanctioned Russian oligarch
The New York congressman once claimed Andrew Intrater’s company was his “client,” while another Intrater company allegedly made a deposit with a firm where Santos worked
George Santos, the freshman Republican congressman from New York who lied about his biography, has deeper ties than previously known to a businessman who cultivated close links with a onetime Trump confidant and who is the cousin of a sanctioned Russian oligarch, according to video footage and court documents.

Andrew Intrater and his wife each gave the maximum $5,800 to Santos’ main campaign committee and tens of thousands more since 2020 to committees linked to him, according to filings with the Federal Election Commission. Intrater’s cousin is Russian billionaire Viktor Vekselberg, who has been sanctioned by the U.S. government for his role in the Russian energy industry.


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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 03:25 PM

I imagined it would be funny, but farts are funny too.

Oligarch WOOF! It seems Russia is involved again afterall.


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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 03:49 PM

"It’s not like Ukraine is a great democracy. It’s a totalitarian regime. They’re not a great bastion of freedom,” said Santos. He has insisted that Ukraine “welcomed the Russians into their provinces”—an apparent reference to President Vladimir Putin’s 2014 invasion to prop up rogue separatist parties—and that Ukrainians in the east “feel more Russian than Ukrainian,” even though every single Ukrainian province overwhelmingly voted for independence in 1991.

It was not the first time Devolder-Santos had parroted Kremlin talking points. In the weeks before Putin’s brutal, blundering attack upon his western neighbor, the candidate repeatedly took to Twitter to accuse President Joe Biden of plotting to “start a war” with Russia and deploy American troops to Ukraine. - Daily Beast


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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 04:43 PM

ODE TO GEORGE SANTOS (what a load)

The only way to get what you want is to become a liar BEYOND COMPARE.
Can you do that?
My dear, Santos. That's what Trump does. It's what Putin lives for.
To help unfortunate folks like yourself.
Poor souls with no one else to turn to.
I admit that in the past lies have been nasty
They weren't kidding when they called me, well, SATAN prince of lies
But you'll find that nowadays
I've mended all my ways
Repented, seen the light, and made a switch
Got it? Yes.
And I, fortunately, know a little magic
It's a talent that I always have possessed
And dear George, please don't laugh
I use it on behalf
Of the miserable, the lonely, and pathetic
unfortunate souls
In pain, in need
This one longing to appear richer
That one wants to get the girl
And do I help them?
Yes, indeed
Those poor unfortunate souls
So sad, so true
They come flocking to my dungeon
Crying, "Spells, Satan, please!"
And I help them!
Yes I do
Now it's happened once or twice
Someone couldn't pay the price
And I'm afraid I had to rake 'em 'cross the coals
Yes I've had the odd complaint
But on the whole I've been a saint
To those poor unfortunate souls
Have we got a deal?
If I become truthful, I'll never be with my father or sisters again.
But you'll have your man, heh heh. Life's full of tough choices, isn't it? Heh heh.
Oh, and there is one more thing.
We haven't discussed the subject of payment.
But I don't have-
I'm not asking much, just a token really, a trifle!
What I want from you is - your reputation.
And after all dear, what is embellished babble for?
Come on, they're not all that impressed with honesty
Even voters avoid it when they can
But they dote and swoon and fawn
On a man who lies all he can
Come on you poor unfortunate soul
Go ahead!
Make your choice!
I'm a very busy devi and I haven't got all day
It won't cost much
Just your life
You poor unfortunate soul
It's sad but true
If you want to win a seat among others of deceit
You've got the pay the toll
Take your arm and go ahead, reach
And go ahead and sign the scroll
AHHH
The boss is on a roll
This poor unfortunate soul
Come winds of the Caspian Sea
Now, LIE!
Aah... lie beyond compare!
Keep LIEING!


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From: robomatic
Date: 18 Jan 23 - 06:56 PM

I believe Trump is claiming credit for exposing the current corrupt regime (which regime? You name it!) based on his post incumbancy behaviour. I remember when he took credit for verifying Obama's Americanness based on his campaign to declare him a foreigner.


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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jan 23 - 07:05 PM

Robo, you're alive!


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From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 07:41 AM

Narcissists will never change so I expected Trump to return to Twitter.
The election denier and losing candidate in New Mexico was arrested for shooting up the homes of winning Democratic candidates.
The cold Civil War continues among the criminal element.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 10:31 AM

Wow. Even the evangelicals have had enough of Donald Trump.
Just days before Donald Trump hosts his first 2024 event in South Carolina, a state whose evangelical population has long played a critical role in its presidential primary, the former president is lashing out at religious conservatives who have declined to endorse his third presidential campaign.

Trump’s comments to conservative journalist David Brody in a podcast interview Monday, in which he decried the “disloyalty” of evangelical leaders who have withheld public support for his campaign, were the latest in a series of bewildering remarks he’s made about one of the most critical voting blocs in a Republican primary.

“Nobody has ever done more for Right to Life than Donald Trump. I put three Supreme Court justices, who all voted, and they got something that they’ve been fighting for 64 years, for many, many years,’” Trump told Brody, referring to the Supreme Court’s overturning of federal abortion rights in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision last summer.

“There’s great disloyalty in the world of politics and that’s a sign of disloyalty,” Trump continued, bemoaning evangelical leaders who have declined to support his latest campaign.


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From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 11:09 AM

In chess the king is at great disadvantage without the bishops.
The same with authoritarian politics.

It is my belief that the teachings of religion is always to suppress freedom and adore the boss, overlord or God. This allows a king a legitimacy since the minions are taught to want and need a leader who is always there to decide for them. Without the support of that segment of society a king has little advantage except to exploit fear and victimhood which the king will find a limited angry but loyal base.

It seems obvious to me but many pundits claim that they do not understand the attraction to Trump and fascism. Many people really want to be told what to do.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 04:27 PM

Trump can't help himself, even though it makes no sense. The sound of one stupid mouth flapping: Trump calls for jailing journalists who broke Supreme Court’s draft abortion decision.
Former President Trump is calling for the jailing of the journalists who published a leaked draft opinion showing the Supreme Court was poised to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Last spring, Politico reporters Josh Gerstein and Alexander Ward published a blockbuster report on a draft opinion penned by Justice Samuel Alito that would overturn the landmark abortion ruling.

The court on Thursday made public a report detailing an investigation into the leak of the opinion, indicating it was unable to identify the source of the leak to Politico.

“They’ll never find out, & it’s important that they do,” Trump wrote in a post on his Truth Social website. “So, go to the reporter & ask him/her who it was. If not given the answer, put whoever in jail until the answer is given. You might add the editor and publisher to the list.”

He simply doesn't understand the bit in the Constitution about the freedom of the press, if it isn't FAUX News.


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From: Rain Dog
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 04:44 AM

Does anyone keep track of where 'classified' documents go?

I think the security system or rather lack of it, needs to be looked at.


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From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 07:56 AM

The rules are strict and complex! The myth of a government job is forever is bogus. It is most often ended by a charge of mishandling classified material. It is like Capone getting arrested for taxes and not for the actual crimes. After that even porn on a phone can get you fired. When a government worker is working with classified material, the computer often auto-saves the classified info without the user's knowledge but the rules are to go back and remove the save. Almost everyone is guilty of mishandling when every trace is not unknowingly removed. BUT IN BIDEN'S CASE it was his staff's job to be sure document handling is cleaned up. There is a big difference between top secret and classified or confidential.

Senators and Congressmen have to use an eye's only SKIF to view documents but not in the old days.


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From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 08:30 AM

Much more info is classified than really needs to be. It is in the trillions.
Just cleaning that up has proved difficult.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 11:22 AM

The U.S. has an overclassification problem, says one former special counsel


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From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 12:00 PM

Yes even newspaper headlines can be classified but most of the time it is used to cover someone's ass for being wrong or dishonest or worse.

As for Biden's political (not criminal) problem, I do accuse him of not being unapologetic.


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From: leeneia
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 12:15 PM

RE the classified documents, I want to know why the National Archives didn't miss them and demand them back. I also want to know whose fingerprints are on them.

It would be so easy for somebody to get past the lock on a university office and put something in the room.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 08:42 AM

> RE the classified documents, I want to know why the National Archives
> didn't miss them and demand them back.

Perhaps because we live in a photocopier world? so many copies, so much data to track.

> I also want to know whose fingerprints are on them.

None if those, erm, donating the documents were halfway competent.


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From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 09:01 AM

There is a bill to enhance the protocols of the National archives.


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From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 09:08 AM

We are past the days of microfilm and copiers. We are past the days of Furbies phones and apple watches. We are in the age of the hack.

Eyes only documents are old hat and are being destroyed as we speak.


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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 09:30 AM

> Eyes only documents are old hat and are being destroyed as we speak.

Then I fear for the long-term record, as well as short-term security. Hard copy is still signed for wills, house deeds, treaties etc, for long-term durability. For the really long term, follow the example of the English Parliament: Hansard is still printed on vellum, because it lasts longer than even acid-free paper.

One of the fundamental problems with securing soft-copy documents is that, when you make a copy, the original is untouched. One can steal a hard-copy document, but its theft is easier to detect, because it isn't where it should be.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 03:00 PM

From Facebook/Meta:

Ending Suspension of Trump’s Accounts With New Guardrails to Deter Repeat Offenses

Takeaways
  • We will be ending the suspension of Mr. Trump’s Facebook and Instagram accounts in the coming weeks.
  • We’ve put new guardrails in place to deter repeat offenses.
  • The public should be able to hear what politicians are saying so they can make informed choices.

Social media is rooted in the belief that open debate and the free flow of ideas are important values, especially at a time when they are under threat in many places around the world. As a general rule, we don’t want to get in the way of open, public and democratic debate on Meta’s platforms — especially in the context of elections in democratic societies like the United States. The public should be able to hear what their politicians are saying — the good, the bad and the ugly — so that they can make informed choices at the ballot box. But that does not mean there are no limits to what people can say on our platform. When there is a clear risk of real world harm — a deliberately high bar for Meta to intervene in public discourse — we act.

Truth be told, it is my guess that Facebook wants the revenue from all of the eyeballs that Trump attracts. Bottom line, they want the dollars.

"In the event that Mr. Trump posts further violating content, the content will be removed and he will be suspended for between one month and two years, depending on the severity of the violation."

Yeah, right.


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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 04:30 AM


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From: Donuel - PM
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 01:54 PM

In two weeks it will be revealed if Trump is to be indicted in Georgia


Did it happen? And...


100!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 05:22 AM

What have I told y'all about Facebook...


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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 08:15 AM

The Attorney General of GA. says the announcement is 'imminent'.
So far they announced they will not make public the grand jury evidence.
That is typical. I bet the usual Friday release of info will be forthcoming. Friday is a prime day to disseminate announcements.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 06:54 PM

Nope, no announcement of the indictment today.


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From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 09:25 AM

Trump says he is more committed than ever.
If only he were committed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Jan 23 - 09:49 PM

Last summer's video of deposition. A civil fraud probe. Nothing new in Trumpland, so they're talking about his taking the Fifth for four hours.


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From: Donuel
Date: 01 Feb 23 - 06:25 AM

Republicans have no platform but they are anti-science, anti-vaccine, anti-doctors, anti-chamber of congress, anti social security etc.
Even before Covid, Republicans typically ran up the debt to historic levels to make Democrats have to address and fix it later to the unpopular dismay of voters.
Holding the country hostage has worked before but now it is a bridge too far. The people are slow to wise up but we are getting wise to the anti-democratic attack on Middle-class America.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Feb 23 - 10:37 AM

An Op-Ed out of the Philadelphia Inquirer looking into the reason for the timing of Comey announcing the investigation of the Clinton assistant's laptop right before the election:

This week’s stunning corruption charges against a top FBI spymaster who assumed a key role in the bureau’s New York office just weeks before 2016's “October surprise” — an agent who by 2018 was known to be working for a Vladimir Putin-tied Russian oligarch — should cause America to rethink everything we think we know about the Trump-Russia scandal and how it really happened that Trump won that election.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Feb 23 - 10:38 AM

In that piece:
How coordinated was the effort in that New York field office to pump up the ultimate nothingburger about Clinton’s emails while pooh-poohing the very real evidence of Russian interference on Trump’s behalf, and who were the agents behind it? What was the role, if any, of McGonigal and his international web of intrigue? Was the now-tainted McGonigal a source who told the New York Times that fateful October that Russia was not trying to help Trump win the election — before the U.S. intelligence community determined the exact opposite? If not McGonigal, just who was intentionally misleading America’s most influential news org, and why?

As a veteran journalist, I find the Times’ role in this fiasco — although likely an unwitting one — deeply disturbing. To be sure, the 2016 FBI leaks weren’t the first time a major news organization has been burned by anonymous law enforcement sources, and regrettably, it probably won’t be the last. Media critics have been talking for years about the Times’ flawed coverage, and how its near certainty that Clinton would win and a desire to show its aggressiveness toward a future president seemed to have skewed its coverage.

All filed under "how Russia helped get Trump elected.


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