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BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2

Stilly River Sage 03 Feb 23 - 10:38 AM
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Steve Shaw 27 Jan 23 - 05:22 AM
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MaJoC the Filk 26 Jan 23 - 09:30 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Feb 23 - 10:38 AM

In that piece:
How coordinated was the effort in that New York field office to pump up the ultimate nothingburger about Clinton’s emails while pooh-poohing the very real evidence of Russian interference on Trump’s behalf, and who were the agents behind it? What was the role, if any, of McGonigal and his international web of intrigue? Was the now-tainted McGonigal a source who told the New York Times that fateful October that Russia was not trying to help Trump win the election — before the U.S. intelligence community determined the exact opposite? If not McGonigal, just who was intentionally misleading America’s most influential news org, and why?

As a veteran journalist, I find the Times’ role in this fiasco — although likely an unwitting one — deeply disturbing. To be sure, the 2016 FBI leaks weren’t the first time a major news organization has been burned by anonymous law enforcement sources, and regrettably, it probably won’t be the last. Media critics have been talking for years about the Times’ flawed coverage, and how its near certainty that Clinton would win and a desire to show its aggressiveness toward a future president seemed to have skewed its coverage.

All filed under "how Russia helped get Trump elected.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Feb 23 - 10:37 AM

An Op-Ed out of the Philadelphia Inquirer looking into the reason for the timing of Comey announcing the investigation of the Clinton assistant's laptop right before the election:

This week’s stunning corruption charges against a top FBI spymaster who assumed a key role in the bureau’s New York office just weeks before 2016's “October surprise” — an agent who by 2018 was known to be working for a Vladimir Putin-tied Russian oligarch — should cause America to rethink everything we think we know about the Trump-Russia scandal and how it really happened that Trump won that election.


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From: Donuel
Date: 01 Feb 23 - 06:25 AM

Republicans have no platform but they are anti-science, anti-vaccine, anti-doctors, anti-chamber of congress, anti social security etc.
Even before Covid, Republicans typically ran up the debt to historic levels to make Democrats have to address and fix it later to the unpopular dismay of voters.
Holding the country hostage has worked before but now it is a bridge too far. The people are slow to wise up but we are getting wise to the anti-democratic attack on Middle-class America.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Jan 23 - 09:49 PM

Last summer's video of deposition. A civil fraud probe. Nothing new in Trumpland, so they're talking about his taking the Fifth for four hours.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 09:25 AM

Trump says he is more committed than ever.
If only he were committed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 06:54 PM

Nope, no announcement of the indictment today.


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From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 08:15 AM

The Attorney General of GA. says the announcement is 'imminent'.
So far they announced they will not make public the grand jury evidence.
That is typical. I bet the usual Friday release of info will be forthcoming. Friday is a prime day to disseminate announcements.


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 05:22 AM

What have I told y'all about Facebook...


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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 04:30 AM


Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel - PM
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 01:54 PM

In two weeks it will be revealed if Trump is to be indicted in Georgia


Did it happen? And...


100!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 03:00 PM

From Facebook/Meta:

Ending Suspension of Trump’s Accounts With New Guardrails to Deter Repeat Offenses

Takeaways
  • We will be ending the suspension of Mr. Trump’s Facebook and Instagram accounts in the coming weeks.
  • We’ve put new guardrails in place to deter repeat offenses.
  • The public should be able to hear what politicians are saying so they can make informed choices.

Social media is rooted in the belief that open debate and the free flow of ideas are important values, especially at a time when they are under threat in many places around the world. As a general rule, we don’t want to get in the way of open, public and democratic debate on Meta’s platforms — especially in the context of elections in democratic societies like the United States. The public should be able to hear what their politicians are saying — the good, the bad and the ugly — so that they can make informed choices at the ballot box. But that does not mean there are no limits to what people can say on our platform. When there is a clear risk of real world harm — a deliberately high bar for Meta to intervene in public discourse — we act.

Truth be told, it is my guess that Facebook wants the revenue from all of the eyeballs that Trump attracts. Bottom line, they want the dollars.

"In the event that Mr. Trump posts further violating content, the content will be removed and he will be suspended for between one month and two years, depending on the severity of the violation."

Yeah, right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 09:30 AM

> Eyes only documents are old hat and are being destroyed as we speak.

Then I fear for the long-term record, as well as short-term security. Hard copy is still signed for wills, house deeds, treaties etc, for long-term durability. For the really long term, follow the example of the English Parliament: Hansard is still printed on vellum, because it lasts longer than even acid-free paper.

One of the fundamental problems with securing soft-copy documents is that, when you make a copy, the original is untouched. One can steal a hard-copy document, but its theft is easier to detect, because it isn't where it should be.


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From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 09:08 AM

We are past the days of microfilm and copiers. We are past the days of Furbies phones and apple watches. We are in the age of the hack.

Eyes only documents are old hat and are being destroyed as we speak.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 09:01 AM

There is a bill to enhance the protocols of the National archives.


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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 08:42 AM

> RE the classified documents, I want to know why the National Archives
> didn't miss them and demand them back.

Perhaps because we live in a photocopier world? so many copies, so much data to track.

> I also want to know whose fingerprints are on them.

None if those, erm, donating the documents were halfway competent.


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From: leeneia
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 12:15 PM

RE the classified documents, I want to know why the National Archives didn't miss them and demand them back. I also want to know whose fingerprints are on them.

It would be so easy for somebody to get past the lock on a university office and put something in the room.


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From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 12:00 PM

Yes even newspaper headlines can be classified but most of the time it is used to cover someone's ass for being wrong or dishonest or worse.

As for Biden's political (not criminal) problem, I do accuse him of not being unapologetic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 11:22 AM

The U.S. has an overclassification problem, says one former special counsel


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From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 08:30 AM

Much more info is classified than really needs to be. It is in the trillions.
Just cleaning that up has proved difficult.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 07:56 AM

The rules are strict and complex! The myth of a government job is forever is bogus. It is most often ended by a charge of mishandling classified material. It is like Capone getting arrested for taxes and not for the actual crimes. After that even porn on a phone can get you fired. When a government worker is working with classified material, the computer often auto-saves the classified info without the user's knowledge but the rules are to go back and remove the save. Almost everyone is guilty of mishandling when every trace is not unknowingly removed. BUT IN BIDEN'S CASE it was his staff's job to be sure document handling is cleaned up. There is a big difference between top secret and classified or confidential.

Senators and Congressmen have to use an eye's only SKIF to view documents but not in the old days.


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From: Rain Dog
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 04:44 AM

Does anyone keep track of where 'classified' documents go?

I think the security system or rather lack of it, needs to be looked at.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 04:27 PM

Trump can't help himself, even though it makes no sense. The sound of one stupid mouth flapping: Trump calls for jailing journalists who broke Supreme Court’s draft abortion decision.
Former President Trump is calling for the jailing of the journalists who published a leaked draft opinion showing the Supreme Court was poised to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Last spring, Politico reporters Josh Gerstein and Alexander Ward published a blockbuster report on a draft opinion penned by Justice Samuel Alito that would overturn the landmark abortion ruling.

The court on Thursday made public a report detailing an investigation into the leak of the opinion, indicating it was unable to identify the source of the leak to Politico.

“They’ll never find out, & it’s important that they do,” Trump wrote in a post on his Truth Social website. “So, go to the reporter & ask him/her who it was. If not given the answer, put whoever in jail until the answer is given. You might add the editor and publisher to the list.”

He simply doesn't understand the bit in the Constitution about the freedom of the press, if it isn't FAUX News.


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From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 11:09 AM

In chess the king is at great disadvantage without the bishops.
The same with authoritarian politics.

It is my belief that the teachings of religion is always to suppress freedom and adore the boss, overlord or God. This allows a king a legitimacy since the minions are taught to want and need a leader who is always there to decide for them. Without the support of that segment of society a king has little advantage except to exploit fear and victimhood which the king will find a limited angry but loyal base.

It seems obvious to me but many pundits claim that they do not understand the attraction to Trump and fascism. Many people really want to be told what to do.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 10:31 AM

Wow. Even the evangelicals have had enough of Donald Trump.
Just days before Donald Trump hosts his first 2024 event in South Carolina, a state whose evangelical population has long played a critical role in its presidential primary, the former president is lashing out at religious conservatives who have declined to endorse his third presidential campaign.

Trump’s comments to conservative journalist David Brody in a podcast interview Monday, in which he decried the “disloyalty” of evangelical leaders who have withheld public support for his campaign, were the latest in a series of bewildering remarks he’s made about one of the most critical voting blocs in a Republican primary.

“Nobody has ever done more for Right to Life than Donald Trump. I put three Supreme Court justices, who all voted, and they got something that they’ve been fighting for 64 years, for many, many years,’” Trump told Brody, referring to the Supreme Court’s overturning of federal abortion rights in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision last summer.

“There’s great disloyalty in the world of politics and that’s a sign of disloyalty,” Trump continued, bemoaning evangelical leaders who have declined to support his latest campaign.


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From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 07:41 AM

Narcissists will never change so I expected Trump to return to Twitter.
The election denier and losing candidate in New Mexico was arrested for shooting up the homes of winning Democratic candidates.
The cold Civil War continues among the criminal element.


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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jan 23 - 07:05 PM

Robo, you're alive!


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From: robomatic
Date: 18 Jan 23 - 06:56 PM

I believe Trump is claiming credit for exposing the current corrupt regime (which regime? You name it!) based on his post incumbancy behaviour. I remember when he took credit for verifying Obama's Americanness based on his campaign to declare him a foreigner.


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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 04:43 PM

ODE TO GEORGE SANTOS (what a load)

The only way to get what you want is to become a liar BEYOND COMPARE.
Can you do that?
My dear, Santos. That's what Trump does. It's what Putin lives for.
To help unfortunate folks like yourself.
Poor souls with no one else to turn to.
I admit that in the past lies have been nasty
They weren't kidding when they called me, well, SATAN prince of lies
But you'll find that nowadays
I've mended all my ways
Repented, seen the light, and made a switch
Got it? Yes.
And I, fortunately, know a little magic
It's a talent that I always have possessed
And dear George, please don't laugh
I use it on behalf
Of the miserable, the lonely, and pathetic
unfortunate souls
In pain, in need
This one longing to appear richer
That one wants to get the girl
And do I help them?
Yes, indeed
Those poor unfortunate souls
So sad, so true
They come flocking to my dungeon
Crying, "Spells, Satan, please!"
And I help them!
Yes I do
Now it's happened once or twice
Someone couldn't pay the price
And I'm afraid I had to rake 'em 'cross the coals
Yes I've had the odd complaint
But on the whole I've been a saint
To those poor unfortunate souls
Have we got a deal?
If I become truthful, I'll never be with my father or sisters again.
But you'll have your man, heh heh. Life's full of tough choices, isn't it? Heh heh.
Oh, and there is one more thing.
We haven't discussed the subject of payment.
But I don't have-
I'm not asking much, just a token really, a trifle!
What I want from you is - your reputation.
And after all dear, what is embellished babble for?
Come on, they're not all that impressed with honesty
Even voters avoid it when they can
But they dote and swoon and fawn
On a man who lies all he can
Come on you poor unfortunate soul
Go ahead!
Make your choice!
I'm a very busy devi and I haven't got all day
It won't cost much
Just your life
You poor unfortunate soul
It's sad but true
If you want to win a seat among others of deceit
You've got the pay the toll
Take your arm and go ahead, reach
And go ahead and sign the scroll
AHHH
The boss is on a roll
This poor unfortunate soul
Come winds of the Caspian Sea
Now, LIE!
Aah... lie beyond compare!
Keep LIEING!


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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 03:49 PM

"It’s not like Ukraine is a great democracy. It’s a totalitarian regime. They’re not a great bastion of freedom,” said Santos. He has insisted that Ukraine “welcomed the Russians into their provinces”—an apparent reference to President Vladimir Putin’s 2014 invasion to prop up rogue separatist parties—and that Ukrainians in the east “feel more Russian than Ukrainian,” even though every single Ukrainian province overwhelmingly voted for independence in 1991.

It was not the first time Devolder-Santos had parroted Kremlin talking points. In the weeks before Putin’s brutal, blundering attack upon his western neighbor, the candidate repeatedly took to Twitter to accuse President Joe Biden of plotting to “start a war” with Russia and deploy American troops to Ukraine. - Daily Beast


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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 03:25 PM

I imagined it would be funny, but farts are funny too.

Oligarch WOOF! It seems Russia is involved again afterall.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 11:55 AM

And firmly in the Trump Sock Puppet school of governance, New details link George Santos to cousin of sanctioned Russian oligarch
The New York congressman once claimed Andrew Intrater’s company was his “client,” while another Intrater company allegedly made a deposit with a firm where Santos worked
George Santos, the freshman Republican congressman from New York who lied about his biography, has deeper ties than previously known to a businessman who cultivated close links with a onetime Trump confidant and who is the cousin of a sanctioned Russian oligarch, according to video footage and court documents.

Andrew Intrater and his wife each gave the maximum $5,800 to Santos’ main campaign committee and tens of thousands more since 2020 to committees linked to him, according to filings with the Federal Election Commission. Intrater’s cousin is Russian billionaire Viktor Vekselberg, who has been sanctioned by the U.S. government for his role in the Russian energy industry.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 11:52 AM

That last remark appears to be a brain fart - have you suddenly gone back in time six years? It made an impact when it first came out, but surely Biden didn't have the Trump pee video stashed in the locked garage cabinet. So much water under the bridge since then (or pee over the dam. . . )

In the alternate universe of Trumpville, Matt Gaetz says Trump should pick Sarah Huckabee Sanders or Kristi Noem as his running mate to get votes from women who don't like him for his VP running mate next time. Gaetz hasn't sussed that women despise those two fools also.
Trump announced on November 15 that he is running for president again in 2024. This is his third presidential run: He won his first race against Clinton in 2016 and lost to President Joe Biden in 2020.

In October, The New York Times Magazine journalist Robert Draper told the Daily Beast that Trump has "repeatedly" discussed choosing Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene as his running mate. Draper said this is because Greene has been "unflaggingly loyal" to the former president through a litany of scandals and lawsuits.

In January, The Daily Beast also reported, citing two sources who have spoken to Trump and an unnamed GOP strategist, that Trump has mostly been considering female running mates for his 2024 campaign. GOP Reps. Elise Stefanik and Greene, as well as former Democratic congresswoman and presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard, have been floated as candidates, per the Daily Beast.

Such incompetence packed into the top of one political party.


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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 08:26 AM

Could the Democrats be playing chess while the Republicans are playing checkers? I can imagine that Biden reviewed the classified report on the Steele dossier that included the famous Russian Pee video. Not knowing this, Republicans will cry out that the documents must be made public, at which time Democrats will appear to reluctantly give in.
Hijinks ensue.


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From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 23 - 02:28 PM

Where is the final resolution, if any, in that story?


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From: Charmion
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 02:47 PM

Classified records turn up in the strangest places.

Some forty tears ago, a Canadian submarine skipper died and left his professional papers to the Public Archives (as it then was). The collection was packed up at the old salt’s house in Esquimalt, trucked to Ottawa, and in due course accessioned. It came to me, then a student on a four-month stage, to be “arranged”, as they say in the racket.

Three cubic-foot storage boxes and two weeks into the project, I found a four-inch file box tightly packed with Secret and Top Secret documents about nuclear warheads for torpedoes and performance studies of the then brand-new Oberon class of diesel-electric boats.

After his command tour, the skipper was posted to the Operations branch at Naval Headquarters. It was deep in the Cold War and a time of frantic security theatre, but he nevertheless took work home — and forgot some of his reference materials.

The world continued to revolve on its axis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 10:59 AM

If you're a rational, prudent person and your predecessor is charged with holding onto top secret papers and refusing to return them, it should occur to you, if I'd been in a place where those documents came your way, to check your own files and see if any got left behind. It sounds like this is what happened.

If Bush or Carter or Clinton or anyone else has old documents like this they returned them quietly or they're so old to be harmless now. Hillary was put through the ringer over her private email server and was found to be without malice and no charges filed. That would be the reasonable outcome with any of these others, and the sooner it is taken care of, the better.

Trump is in his own toxic case a souvenir collector and I bet if you checked the phones of his visitors to the White House or Mar-a-Lago that you'll find they snapped a few photos of those documents Trump was waving around.


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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 10:33 AM

That's an armed-forces tiger-team tactic, Donuel: leave a note reading "Your code books have been stolen" on top of the code books in your secure safe. Successful penetrations are promptly followed by snap site inspections, and the fan changes colour abruptly.

In this case, however, methinks Hanlon's Razor is more likely to apply IRL.


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From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 08:55 AM

In Bizzaro world there may exist anti-plumbers who plant documents and don't steal them.


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From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 08:11 AM

Probably forgot he had them.


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 23 - 06:06 AM

For the life of me I can't understand why Biden didn't sneak those papers out of the way as soon as the Trump documents outrage came to light. Tsk.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jan 23 - 09:30 PM

While at the gym today one of the televisions over the equipment was tuned to FAUX News. I couldn't hear it, thank dog, but the whole time the chiaron ran about Hunter Biden and Biden's stashed top secret documents. There isn't a story there, but they'll make it into one if they can.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 06:10 PM

I just read another headline about another ancient stash of classified papers, but I haven't read the article. It could be that when the Trump thing happened everyone was told "go check your own papers and lets get this all cleared up." The fact that Trump tried all sorts of prevarication and resistance to returning papers the Archives knew he had means he committed a crime where other omissions of returning may be just an oversight. Makes it harder for the AG to make a case, though.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 04:54 PM

It's unfortunate, but probably not unusual, that when Biden's attorneys were clearing out an office he used at a U of Pennsylvania think tank where he spent some time as vice president, they found a few classified documents. They notified the National Archives immediately and they were retrieved from their locked closet the next day. Unfortunate because Trump is going to try to use it for all he can to suggest that he should be able to keep the documents he had OR that Biden should be charged, etc.


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 04:23 PM

:-)


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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 04:06 PM

Should that be on the precognition thread?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions/Effects (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 01:54 PM

In two weeks it will be revealed if Trump is to be indicted in Georgia.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 11:36 AM

The MAGA folks in the GOP now intend to defund, one agency or individual at a time, anyone they don't like.


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 01:28 PM

Dark money is supporting a lot of the members of the insurgency, I read that this morning. Trying to turn them into "patriots."


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 12:17 PM

I can't remember where I saw that now, but a quick trawl found this bunch of bullet points in the Daily Mail (I definitely didn't first read it there!). Apparently, the figures were obtained in a YouGov poll of 1500 Americans. Hmm. Daily Mail...YouGov... *gulp*

-Americans by a wide margin disapprove of the pro-Trump attack on the Capitol
-But the number of people who endorse it has grown these past two years
-The share of approving Americans has risen from 9 to 20 percent
-Startlingly, the biggest shift in opinion has been among Democrats
-The share of approving Democrats has risen from 3 to 16 percent


Details, if you really want them, in the Mail if you google "Support for the January 6 attack on the US Capitol has more than doubled..."


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 11:41 AM

I've heard the reverse, that those numbers of true believers are decreasing.

It would be nice if they could drive the Congressional January 6 participants out of office, that would be one way to take the Speaker's gavel away from McCarthy. There are more than four of them, the current lead the GOP has. Enablers, line-straddlers and quiet resisters: How GOP lawmakers contributed to Jan. 6


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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 05:10 AM

I was alarmed to hear today that half of all Americans believe that there was fraud (along the lines of the Trump allegations) during the last election, and that about 20% think that the Jan 6 attack was in some way justified. These numbers are increasing, the latter having doubled.

Putting Trump behind bars may mean he can't become president, but it doesn't mean he can't become a martyr.


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