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BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2

Dave the Gnome 04 Feb 23 - 10:12 AM
Rain Dog 04 Feb 23 - 06:47 AM
DMcG 04 Feb 23 - 06:41 AM
Backwoodsman 04 Feb 23 - 06:28 AM
Bonzo3legs 04 Feb 23 - 06:15 AM
Backwoodsman 04 Feb 23 - 04:38 AM
Dave the Gnome 04 Feb 23 - 03:16 AM
SPB-Cooperator 03 Feb 23 - 08:24 PM
Backwoodsman 03 Feb 23 - 04:19 PM
Steve Shaw 01 Feb 23 - 07:31 PM
peteglasgow 01 Feb 23 - 06:46 PM
Dave the Gnome 01 Feb 23 - 12:55 PM
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Backwoodsman 01 Feb 23 - 10:29 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Feb 23 - 10:12 AM

Worth asking again. Just who was it that managed to wipe billions off the economy by getting her sums wrong?

And just how stupid would anyone be to think that they can liken a large lady of African heritage to a hippopotamus and think they can get away with it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Rain Dog
Date: 04 Feb 23 - 06:47 AM

"HMRC will not allow overpayment of tax, they will refund any excess paid automatically."

Not strictly true.

Voluntary payments / donations to government

"Donations in general towards public expenditure

If you wish to make a voluntary payment to HM Government you may arrange a direct bank transfer to HM Treasury. Please be advised that gifts cannot be ring-fenced for a specific purpose or assigned to a specific area of public spending."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Feb 23 - 06:41 AM

HMRC will not allow overpayment of tax, they will refund any excess paid automatically

Great! So your advice to the Zahawi's and others is, in the event of the slightest doubt, to overpay any tax they might be due, safe in the knowledge any excess will be refunded.

Hardly worth employing an accountant, then Just pay lots and let HMRC sort it out!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Feb 23 - 06:28 AM

Nobody mentioned ‘overpayment of tax’. Where did you dig that red herring up from? For your clients’ sakes, I hope your maths is better than your English comprehension.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Feb 23 - 06:15 AM

What absolute bollocks. HMRC will not allow overpayment of tax, they will refund any excess paid automatically.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Feb 23 - 04:38 AM

Saw this on FarceBook this morning (button it, Steve) - thought I’d post it here for our resident Zahawi-apologist to peruse…

”Dear Nadhim Zahawi, today I had two rather marvellous and deeply British experiences, and I thought you might like to know about them. I have been ill for the past four weeks with a particularly unpleasant flu virus, and since I am both self-employed and immunocompromised I thought I'd better check in with my GP today before things started to turn nasty. I called the surgery at 10.15 am, expecting there to be long delays at all points in the system; but by 12.15 I had been dealt with by a very skilled receptionist, triaged, been given an oppointment, been seen by a doctor, been diagnosed and given a prescription, been to the pharmacy and taken my first drugs. God Bless the NHS - what an amazing invention. Then ( after I had a little lie down) I finished and filed my online tax return, without, I am happy to say, my accountant finding any errors, careless or no; I then hit the button and proudly paid my taxes, in full, out of the money which I have managed to save in the course of the past year of not very highly paid work as a writer, teacher and freelancer. It seems to me that the two things are not unconnected; we pay our taxes, and in return we get this extraordinary public service. Now I know that some people are saying that the NHS is a mess, that it needs more money, but that sadly we just can't afford it from current tax revenues. Well, here's an idea; what if very single one of the top earners in this country - oh, I don't know - let's say just the top 1% of them- what if just that top 1% paid their full whack of taxes fairly and promptly, instead of exploiting all and every available legal loophole and/or occasionally resorting to a spot of "carelessness" via their accountants. Imagine. For instance, imagine if only another 500 or 1000 people had each paid - oh, I don't know - plucking a figure out of the air - if they each paid another £3.8 million in taxes this year - without being asked, or forced, but simply because they are proud of this country and its NHS and all the extraordinary work it does.....or even simply because they are decent human beings. Just saying. Just imagine, eh?”


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Feb 23 - 03:16 AM

Yea, but she is white and wimpy. Bonzo will like that. Makes him feel manly


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 03 Feb 23 - 08:24 PM

Pray tell me, who f***ed up the economy last year. Her name wasn't Truss, was it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Feb 23 - 04:19 PM

Why doesn’t the HMR&C break into Zahawi’s house and install a prepayment tax meter?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Feb 23 - 07:31 PM

Diane Abbott (do note the correct spelling, Bonzzoo...) has an educational background that would put most of us here to shame, me included. Go on, look it up. Jeremy Corbyn, though perhaps not a born leader, has more principle in his little finger than all those Tories Pete mentioned put together, and a damn sight more than Starmer.

Anyway, Raab is doomed. Next to go. I wouldn't like to bet on who will be next after him. There will be Braverman scandals to come I should think, though Shapps already has form. Fishi's dad-in-law is embroiled in tax issues with HMRC, nothing to see here, just another few million...

My missus brought me up a cup of tea a couple of mornings ago. That early, I didn't have my hearing aids in. She'd been listening to Today and was saying to me, they've decided not to ban neonicotinoid insecticides...Thérèse Coffey...

I said, what use would that be? We don't raise coffee in this country, the climate's too cold! I was lucky to receive that tea still in its cup... (and that's a completely true story!)

As of this year it's 50 years since I joined the NUT, now the NEU. I'll never not be in a trade union until they finally carry me out in a box, and I never worked a single day as a teacher not in the Union. I fought the good fight along with many another to get the Union to be militant, which in my opinion it never has been (which in large part is why teaching has been shat on for decades), and got in trouble several times with the Union establishment. My union mentor and numero uno brother-in-arms was Blair Peach, one of the finest men it's been my privilege to know. In spite of this shoddy government's rules about who can strike (they got into power on a far weaker mandate than we have to achieve to go on strike, lest we forget), we comfortably won the strike ballot, which echoed the strength of feeling I've seen in the people I know who are still in teaching, generally a very mild-mannered bunch. It could be that this bloody shower will eventually starve the public sector workers back to work, but that will be nothing like a solution. I want to see Labour giving us a real alternative for repairing the public sector, even if it's never going to be a quick fix. I'm hearing nothing of vision so far...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: peteglasgow
Date: 01 Feb 23 - 06:46 PM

i always think about john mcdonnell with jeremy
thatcher and keith joseph
brown and blair
john major and currie
cameron and osborne
johnson and trump

all with their varied skills, vices and peculiarities

then there was truss and coffey. jeez, how did it ever come to that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Feb 23 - 12:55 PM

You've put a picture in my head Pete. Raab alongside Rotten and Vicious singing "Pretty Vacant" :-D


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: peteglasgow
Date: 01 Feb 23 - 12:31 PM

when you see him sat beside the prime minister du jour at PMQs he always has the same sort of strange expression - angry though vacant


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Feb 23 - 10:29 AM

Things not looking too good for Voldemort Raab - eight complaints for bullying under investigation, a total of twenty-four complaints have been registered (allegedly).

The words ‘Ethics’ and ‘Tories’ really don’t belong in the same sentence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Jan 23 - 01:49 PM

Just seen elsewhere…

”The idea of the Tories having an Ethics Advisor is like a brothel having a Virginity Consultant”.

Made me larff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 06:49 AM

Earlier this year, France's health agency ANSES confirmed a link between nitrites and nitrates in ham and charcuterie and the development of colorectal cancer - otherwise known as bowel cancer. The French government has since begun planning the reduction or phasing out of nitrites from processed meats in the country.29 Dec 2022
Italy is alone in banning these preservatives to protect their Parma Ham industry
Do Italians use nitrates?
Italy has always been at the forefront in the production of raw ham without nitrates. PDO hams are always free of these preservatives, to regulate.30 Apr 2022


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 06:42 AM

Bacon is often preserved with Nitrites, which are contributory to Colon Cancer, good eating, Bonzo


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 02:09 AM

A-a-and…400!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 01:55 AM

Usual drivel from peteglasgow


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 07:15 PM

And anyway, you can't make a proper bacon butty with thick-cut bacon. Bloody Croydonista southerner...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: peteglasgow
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 06:42 PM

so, bozo, you choose your diet by the amount of offence it may give to decent people. you are one sick eejit. do you really imagine anyone cares? do you talk about your food related attacks on minorities outwith these pages? do you boast about your gluttony just to annoy foodbank users?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 06:22 PM

Yeah, don't confuse the bacon with the gammon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 03:24 PM

I mean thickly cut bacon, Morrison's best!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 02:38 PM

LOL! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 01:26 PM

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: peteglasgow
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 01:25 PM

thick bacon? is that like gammon?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 06:39 AM

Humble pie???? No I had some excellent thick bacon - a Jewish Vegan's delight!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 06:37 AM

of Stamboul was Constantinople
Now it's of Stamboul not Constantinople!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 06:20 AM

Nevertheless, the secrecy surrounding the loan, together with Zahawi’s failed attempt to defraud HMRC of £5m in unpaid tax, demonstrates that he is a very, very shady character indeed.

Mrs Backwoodsperson habitually refers to Zahawi as ‘The Eunuch of Stamboul’. Easy to see why…


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 06:18 AM

Are our tory trolls enjoying their humble pie for breakfast? Seem that Zahawi not carelessly failed to declare millions stashed away on offshore accounts, but also carelessly failed to disclose that he was under investigation by HMRC when he was appointed Chancellor of the Exchequer and Party Chairman. This shows the extent of total contempt that the self-entitled **** have towards those of us they consider their inferiors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 06:09 AM

A loan from the company to a director or family member of a director is a different matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 05:57 AM

There is absolutely no way that you will find out the source of that loan - no obligation to disclose in small company acccounts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 04:57 AM

Yes, he has gone, and rightly so.

Consequently, I expect the media and others will quietly forget to explore that mysterious £30m unsecured loan. They should not, but I expect they will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Rain Dog
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 04:07 AM

Yeah a few days later than I expected but he has gone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jan 23 - 04:05 AM

Steve’s first prediction has come true - Zahawi’s got the boot! Not before time! Now for the second prediction - everything crossed!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jan 23 - 12:26 PM

Oh, I forgot ‘lying’ - ‘that parcel of greedy, tax-dodging, LYING rogues…”.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jan 23 - 11:28 AM

”Nah. I think I'll just wait for……the feckless Tories to implode.”

Bring it on - it’s high time that parcel of greedy, tax-dodging rogues got their just desserts before they totally bankrupt the country.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 23 - 08:40 AM

Nah. I think I'll just wait for Nadhim to be sacked (a cert) and for the feckless Tories to implode (another cert).


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Jan 23 - 07:28 AM

"The whole point, Bonzo, is that it may not be what it appears to be, and what it really is may just be a tad shady."

I suggest that you write to the company and complain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jan 23 - 06:58 AM

Well, unlike the Lefty Triddlebuts, Bonzo ‘knows his place’ where his betters are concerned, he assures himself of their approval by gazing askance, doffing his cap, and tugging his forelock in their presence, and he has the good manners to thank them after he’s lifted his shirt for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 23 - 06:45 AM

The whole point, Bonzo, is that it may not be what it appears to be, and what it really is may just be a tad shady. We're not talking here about spivs selling stuff off the back of a lorry. We're talking about people who are running the country.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Jan 23 - 06:34 AM

Well it is what it is, so put up or shut up!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Jan 23 - 04:50 AM

I should add, by the way, that the fact a company is not obliged to release information is a very poor excuse for letting someone who wanted to play the system get away with fraud. I am not accusing anyone, naturally, just saying how thin that defence is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Jan 23 - 04:29 AM

What is your objection to the loans?

My objection to the loans is that the source of them is hidden. If, for example, what had happened is one of his UK companies bought a whole lot of services from the Cayman Islands, and so avoided tax because it made no profit, then loaned the money back to him as an unsecured loan, that would be a clear case of tax evasion and fraudulent. If it came from a Russian oligarch it would problematic for other reasons. That it was unsecured raises the question whether the lender actually wanted something other than money in return.

So the problem is not the loan, but the secrecy around them and in particular the fact they were unsecured.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jan 23 - 03:22 AM

When you mention leopards, Steve, should it not have been changing his leopard skin pants? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 06:39 PM

Well that tells us. Clear as bloody mud. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 06:25 PM

Nobody discloses any more in small company filleted accounts than required FRS 102 1A to show "a true and fair view".


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 05:14 PM

I didn't say there was an obligation. I sad that clarity would be welcome. My friendly advice to Nadhim would be that continued absence of clarity regarding his affairs will hurt not just him but Rishi too. Why would I worry about the Tories hurting themselves? Carry on, lads!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 01:25 PM

What obligation to disclose source of the loans?

The accounts show what is required of a private company, however a reader must assume that the company has not been affected by Covid, and no Covid Grants have been claimed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 12:58 PM

Bet the Daily Heil hasn’t got that on its front page…


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