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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 26 Nov 22 - 09:37 AM "Whose spaceship is this?" "It's mine." "No, whose is it really?" "It's really mine. Look: property is theft, theft is property, I stole it, it's mine." (For bonus marks, name the persons in question.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 26 Nov 22 - 09:40 AM Is that supposed to be funny? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 Nov 22 - 03:46 AM Ford Prefect? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 27 Nov 22 - 04:34 AM My first car was a 1955 Ford Prefect which I "shared" with my Mum - had to check the points and plugs weekly so that I could still get 75mph out of it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Nov 22 - 06:39 AM Our first car, a wedding present, was a white Morris Minor called Mildred (though years before that my Dad had gone through a couple of Ford Anglia three-speed biscuit tins and the first generation Vauxhall Viva - I passed my test in one of those). I spent many a happy weekend removing the Morris Minor cylinder head in order to grind burnt valves. Tappet noise was a very comforting sound after you'd put it all back, I seem to remember. The only special tool needed was a wooden stick with a rubber sucker on the end. There was so much room under the bonnet that you could almost get in and stand next to the engine. I open my Ford Focus bonnet today and I haven't a bloody clue what I'm looking at. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 27 Nov 22 - 06:48 AM I remember our Departmental Land Rover having [snip: seriously long saga] a mismatched power train: the gearbox was expecting an engine with rather higher max revs. It was only just possible, going downhill with no load, to break the speed limit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 27 Nov 22 - 06:54 AM My second car was a Morris Minor, the big end shells would need to be replaced about every 3 months, which I could do in a couple of hours, had to get a reconditioned engine eventually. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Nov 22 - 06:57 AM I had to replace the dashboard clock thingie (with the speedo and fuel gauge) on the Morris. I got one from a scrapyard. Unfortunately, it was a mismatch for our car. The speedo needle went doolally as soon as you drove off so we never knew how fast we were going, and the fuel gauge didn't work, so we never knew how much petrol we had. Bloody good car, that was. Happy days! We wrinklies could have a lot of fun in a cars-of-yore thread... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Nov 22 - 07:03 AM On one occasion we drove from London to Exeter with a hole in the radiator. Stones thrown up from the road by the car in front could easily zip through the grille and smash into the delicate fins. We topped it up with cold water every approx 15 miles. No harm done. You try that with a modern car... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Raggytash Date: 27 Nov 22 - 07:19 AM I am sure we all remember being told before and after the Brexit vote that the UK would be able to forged new trade deals across the globe and be at the forefront of world trade and basically we would live in a land of milk and honey. Well it would seem that the first major trade deal we negotiated with Japan which we were promised would lead to an increase in trade of £15 billion has proved to be a failure and in fact has led to a decline in trade of some 5%. As reported in the press today "Minako Morita-Jaeger, a senior research fellow in international trade at Sussex University business school and a policy research fellow of the UK Trade Policy Observatory, said the government had “oversold” the UK-Japan trade agreement and it did not offer significant economic advantages over the previous EU deal. She said the early trade data did not appear encouraging." Quelle Surprise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Nov 22 - 08:05 AM Brexit - the gift that keeps on giving… What was it they were predicting about ‘sunlit uplands’? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 27 Nov 22 - 08:12 AM .... And thus we segue seamlessly from old bangers of yore to the England's clapped-out political system and rusted-out economy. At least bangers had trade-in value, or at worst were worth something as scrap metal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 Nov 22 - 08:13 AM Apparently all the issues we are having is because remoaners will not get behind brexit. Wonder how that works? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Nov 22 - 09:57 AM Only in the brainwashed minds of those simple-minded enough to fall for the BrexShit Propaganda Campaign. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 27 Nov 22 - 10:04 AM A bit like saying the Holocaust was because Jewish people would not get behind the Nazis' Final Solution?????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 Nov 22 - 11:53 AM SPB - :-D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Rain Dog Date: 27 Nov 22 - 01:25 PM From The Guardian Keir Starmer rules out return of free movement between Britain and EU "Starmer also ruled out a “Swiss-style” deal with the EU, which would allow access to the single market but require more generous immigration rules, after reports the government was considering such an arrangement prompted frantic denials from No 10. He told the Mail on Sunday: “A Swiss deal simply wouldn’t work for Britain. We’ll have a stronger trading relationship and we’ll reduce red tape for British business – but freedom of movement is a red line for me. It was part of the deal of being in the EU but since we left I’ve been clear it won’t come back under my government.” He added: “Ripping up the Brexit deal would lead to years more wrangling and arguing, when we should be facing the future.”" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: peteglasgow Date: 27 Nov 22 - 01:31 PM apparently starmer has ruled out a return to freedom of movement in europe. well, f*ck you, tory boy. in these days we need a bit of hope. it wouldn't be so be bad if we there was a chance that they were just pretending and the next labour government meant some moves back towards common sense, europe, renationalisation etc but he doesn't seem like the devious type. but what happened to labour party conference? surely he wouldn't get this past by the party? i'm always a socialist and still in the party - mostly because of my (cat smith anti-anti-corbyn) mp and angela rayner. and what else is there? but come on labour - throw us something we can be positive about. erasmus? pet passports? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Nov 22 - 04:29 PM I'm a socialist and I'm still in the party. I completely share your frustration. I think there's a massive danger of Labour losing the next election. Absolutely the wrong person at the helm. I really want to be wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Nov 22 - 03:13 PM Presume whoever wrote this doesn't mind it being pinched! T'was the night before Christmas, and all through the nation, There was misery, poverty and great deprivation, Some stockings were empty, some fridges were bare, The heating turned off, little money to spare. Rishi Sunak was cosy, a quaffing champagne, Cognac and Port so he’s feeling no pain, Stuffing his chops on goose flesh and gammon, Caviar, Stilton and the finest smoked salmon. The homeless are shivering in cardboard containers, Ex-Servicemen, youngsters, both Leave and Remainers, The nurses and doctors all still searching for beds, With a shortage of staff, of money and meds. The Moggs singing carols with moguls and bankers, Hedge funders, financiers and various wankers , Admiring his baubles and pulling his crackers, Rejoicing that he's got us all by the knackers. Your Gran's in the corridor, still on the trolley While the Chancellor's counting the last of his lolly, And Grandad’s in pieces, stemming his tears, Though they’ve paid their dues these past sixty years But hey, Goves on the sherry and is quite off his tits, While his missus is battered and doing the splits, And Drunken Smith is a singing along with the Pogues, With the rest of the mob and a few Russian rogues. And the kids who are dreaming of gifts in the morning, Won’t get them- their benefits were stopped without warning, While those whose dosh is in off-shore accounts, Will be rubbing their hands as the grand total mounts. And the Waspi woman alone in her kitchen, Has long given up on Dancer and Blitzen, She was robbed of her pension, they don’t give a shite, That she’s freezing and hungry on Christmas Eve night. And now, here’s the end of this so festive story Dont forget, STOP VOTING TORY. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Rain Dog Date: 29 Nov 22 - 04:33 PM From The Guardian Thurrock council admits disastrous investments caused £500m deficit Another council who borrowed money when rates were low and then lost it in poor investments. Governments, both national and local, are not good at spending public money. With the rise in interest rates there will probably be more councils running into problems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: The Sandman Date: 29 Nov 22 - 04:47 PM thurrock council are feckin winkers |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 29 Nov 22 - 06:01 PM https://www.croydonconservatives.com/news/revealed-true-scale-croydon-labours-toxic-financial-mismanagement |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Rain Dog Date: 29 Nov 22 - 06:19 PM Four councils, Croydon, Slough, Northamptonshire and Thurrock have gone insolvent in recent months. 2 Labour controlled and 2 Tory controlled. I wonder who was doing their accounts. I think Croydon & Thurrock each have debts of over £ 1.5 billion. Nothing like wasting other peoples money. The value of your investment might go down as well as up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: The Sandman Date: 30 Nov 22 - 05:07 AM when the first dartford toll tunnel was built, the rate payers of essx and kent had to pay extra to pay for the building of the tunnel in theory the tunnel belonged to to essex and kent rate payers, somehow the tunnel was privatised . i have a recollection that mrs thatchers husband was a director of a firm that got the contract to build the bridge and or the second tunnel, the toll tunnel is now owned by a private company, even though the first tunnel was partly financed by the rate payers of thurrock. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: The Sandman Date: 30 Nov 22 - 12:40 PM w hat happens to councils that get in to this kind of debt , and how does it happen, do they not have auditors |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 15 Dec 22 - 08:29 PM Mick Lynch made absolute mincemeat of Mischal Husain in Today a couple of mornings ago. Poor Mishal, a far better newsreader and reporter than she is an interviewer. But Mick was spot on. He simply wasn't going to accept the blatant anti-union establishment stance of the BBC and he tore right through it. Brilliant. Today, we had the estimable Emma Barnett on Womans' Hour ripping into the horrendous, smirking, smug, shitty, disgraceful Tory lying scumbag who is Helen Whately over the nurses' strike. What a bloody treat that was. There isn't much to celebrate these days, but these two buggers are at least fighting the good fight ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 15 Dec 22 - 08:31 PM Ach, apostrophe hell - should have gone to Barnard Castle... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 16 Dec 22 - 04:09 AM "w hat happens to councils that get in to this kind of debt , and how does it happen, do they not have auditors" The dire financial mismanagement by the extremely corrupt labour Croydon council will take years to rectify. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Dec 22 - 06:30 AM I shall repeat Rain Dog's post of 29 Nov Four councils, Croydon, Slough, Northamptonshire and Thurrock have gone insolvent in recent months. 2 Labour controlled and 2 Tory controlled. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: The Sandman Date: 16 Dec 22 - 01:09 PM Thurrock has debts of 50 million |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 16 Dec 22 - 06:12 PM I wish all selfish and greedy striking workers a most miserable Christmas and a thoroughly bad New Year! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Raggytash Date: 16 Dec 22 - 06:25 PM I'm sure that you and your good ladies benefits will still come through though Bonzo............. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Dec 22 - 06:39 PM I wish all selfish and greedy bankers, corrupt lady peers (£29 million and counting), corrupt recipients of dodgy PPI deals, corrupt politicians who engineered those deals, parasitic non-doms and other off-shorers a most miserable Christmas and a thoroughly bad New Year. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Dec 22 - 02:05 AM I wonder if any of those whinging that unions are ruining the Christmas holidays realise that they only have Christmas holidays because of the unions. Or that in any dispute, there are two sides. Or that they are being led by the nose by billionaire press barons. Then I remember how gullible, greedy or uncaring some people are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 17 Dec 22 - 05:46 AM And as for lynch, what a despicable commie crack he is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 17 Dec 22 - 06:21 AM The reporting narrative in the current industrial disputes is set by the Mail/Telegraph axis. Keywords, to be included bigly in every report, are "disruption," "strike," "chaos," picket line," "inconvenience," "delay," "union bosses/barons" (add your own). You might just hear that it's a dispute about "pay and conditions." What you'll have to dig and delve for yourself are the exact reasons for desperate people being forced to lay down their tools. What you won't hear too much of is the 12-year suppression of pay and the rapidly deteriorating working and living conditions of many of the striking workers in a time of high inflation. You won't read about the privations of those withdrawing their labour, the only weapon they have, as they lose hundreds of pounds a week in pay. But you will hear plenty of platitudes and downright lies from ministers about how the paltry offers on the table are "fair and reasonable" which were decided by "independent" pay review bodies (the biggest lie of all). And then, of course, the downright lie that pay settlements above the parsimony currently on the table will "fuel inflation," or "embed inflation in the economy." Well there's already inflation in the economy that has nothing to do with pay settlements, and giving nurses, carers, ambulance drivers and teachers a decent pay rise can't possibly fuel inflation. You'll hear ministers telling us that they can't intervene in negotiations when, every time they open their mouths, they are intervening. You'll hear some minister or other who's been wheeled out to tell us that the nurses' 19.2% pay demand is "unreasonable and unaffordable," which can't be negotiated, even though we all know that that is merely an opening bargaining gambit and not an all-or-nothing stance. We all know that unions almost always ask for more than they eventually settle for. The government wants us to think that the unions are our enemies-within and that the NHS can't be fit for purpose and should be broken up. They lie to us about the "investment" they've put in (which has been paltry in historical terms for over a decade). For many people who don't spend hours a day studying the political situation, gleaning what they know from the headlines or the first five minutes of the news, it's easy to dismiss them as gullible. The government controls the narrative that invites us to be gullible and most of the media connive in that. We need a damn sight more Mick Lynches articulately and confidently giving us the real, unadorned truth about how we are being manipulated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 17 Dec 22 - 07:52 AM Verbal diarrhoea |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 17 Dec 22 - 08:08 AM Maybe, but we can't stop you from posting it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Backwoodsman Date: 17 Dec 22 - 10:20 AM ”I wish all selfish and greedy striking workers a most miserable Christmas and a thoroughly bad New Year!” “And as for lynch, what a despicable commie crack he is.” Stop talking through your arse Bonz, your breath smells. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 17 Dec 22 - 10:57 AM Minor point: however much the Rabid Right bang on about privatising everything (when they mean *pirate*ising, but that's a separate rant), having nationalised industries actually *benefits* them on average. This is based on the observation that there's only one thing a trade-union official hates more than the management, and that's an official of a rival trade union. Consider:
This of course all breaks down, as we are seeing now in the UK, if there's an extended imposition of austerity: none of the industries in question get a pay rise for long enough that union members' dislike of the Govt overcomes their distaste of other unions. Let there be flames. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Raggytash Date: 17 Dec 22 - 11:11 AM Could it be that people who work beyond the statutory age of retirement and well into their 70's are selfish and greedy depriving other younger, needy people of gainful employment |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 17 Dec 22 - 12:08 PM Not at all, they know nothing and are generally stupid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 17 Dec 22 - 04:02 PM In my case, Raggy, it was simple absentmindedness: I clean forgot I was supposed to retire, until Herself towed me away for the Caribbean cruise that was supposed to celebrate my retirement. It did pad out my pension a tad, which will be selflessly passed on to the next generation once I date-expire completely and/or save them paying for a rest home for me in the meantime. More generally, older workers aren't selfish, just more expensive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Dec 22 - 04:14 PM That argument about older employees keeping jobs away from younger people looking for jobs is a false dilemma (logical fallacy) - suggesting that older employees are taking from other unknown employees when in fact it appears that keeping older people in the work force longer is one way to help counter the problems of a lower birth rate (bringing new younger employees along) and keeping them pulling their own weight longer as far as paying into social services pools that they draw from more heavily than younger people (here in the US those are typically social security and medicare). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Doug Chadwick Date: 17 Dec 22 - 04:50 PM Could it be that people who work beyond the statutory age of retirement and well into their 70's are selfish and greedy depriving other younger, needy people of gainful employment The same sort of argument used to be used to keep women in their place, at home, instead stealing jobs from men. I chose to take early retirement because that is what suited me but, if others feel they have something to offer, they have every right to pursue those goals. Growing old shouldn't turn people into second-class citizens. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 17 Dec 22 - 05:35 PM Absolutely. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: The Sandman Date: 18 Dec 22 - 03:23 AM in my opinion, using automation to replace people so private rail companies can make an increased profit and then the state has to provide unemployment money, is a foolish capitalist policy. When i use rail,particularly late at night i want someone at the ticket office for security and because as a customer i want to make enquiries and use cash or have the choice of cash or card, it is called customer service. replacing people with machines is treating me as a second class citizen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 18 Dec 22 - 03:59 AM 99... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 2 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 18 Dec 22 - 04:25 AM "in my opinion, using automation to replace people so private rail companies can make an increased profit and then the state has to provide unemployment money, is a foolish capitalist policy." East Croydon has had both ticket machines and a very efficient ticket office for with 6 windows for many years. Why can't you buy your rail tickets on line? |