Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Thompson Date: 22 Oct 23 - 06:40 AM And what looks to me like an attack by slavers in Scandinavia during the collapse of the Roman Empire. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Thompson Date: 21 Oct 23 - 11:14 PM Amazing discovery in the Orkneys, the far-flung group of islands north of Scotland: a beautifully built tomb from five thousand years ago, containing fourteen skeletons of adults and children, two positioned as if they were embracing. We'll never know the stories of these people who were commemorated with such beauty and such technology. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 19 Oct 23 - 04:24 PM groan .... |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Bill D Date: 19 Oct 23 - 09:19 AM *grin* Did you identify those 'leopards', or just take it for granite? ;>) |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 19 Oct 23 - 08:23 AM a few more pics - NEW MONUMENTAL STATUES DISCOVERED AT GÖBEKLITEPE AND KARAHANTEPE New Statues and Fresh Insights from Karahan Tepe and Göbekli Tepe I finally found some leopards! Carving of man holding his penis and surrounded by leopards is oldest known depiction of a narrative scene, archaeologists say |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Raggytash Date: 19 Oct 23 - 07:01 AM Do you mean you can't spot it ? :-) |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Thompson Date: 19 Oct 23 - 01:16 AM I see no leopard…? |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 18 Oct 23 - 02:38 AM Prehistoric skeletons of Australia's giant 'wombat' Diprotodon excavated in the Pilbara Skeletons belonging to a gigantic Australian proto-wombat have been unearthed by scientists in Western Australia's north, shedding light on the state's rich natural history. Western Australia Museum's palaeontology team descended on a remote mine site at Du Boulay Creek, in the Pilbara, where several Diprotodon fossils have lurked beneath the surface for tens of thousands of years. Related to the modern-day wombat and koala, the diprotodon is the largest known marsupial to have ever lived, growing up to four metres in length and 1.7 metres tall, and reaching weights of almost three tonnes (read on) |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 15 Oct 23 - 08:25 AM Phallus and the boar: Türkiye digs yield clues to human history The dry expanses of south-eastern Türkiye, home to some of humanity's most ancient sites, have yielded fresh discoveries in the form of a stone phallus and a coloured boar. For researchers, the carved statue of a man holding his phallus with two hands while seated atop a bench adorned with a leopard, is a new clue in the puzzle of our very beginnings. The 2.3-metre work was discovered at the end of September at Karahantepe, in the heart of a complex of some 20 sites that were home to thousands of people during the Stone Age. Karahantepe is part of the network around UNESCO-listed Gobekli Tepe, a place where our prehistoric ancestors gathered to worship more than 7,000 years before Stonehenge or the earliest Egyptian pyramids. ... Archaeologists found a 1.2 metre long by 70 centimetre tall depiction of a boar, with red eyes and teeth as well as a black-and-white body. This 11,000-year-old wild pig is the first coloured sculpture from this period discovered to date, Mr Karul said ... |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Oct 23 - 06:35 PM Meanwhile, Far, Far Away . . . Osiris-Rex: Nasa reveals first look at 'beautiful' asteroid sample "It's beautiful, it really is - certainly what we've seen of it so far," said Dr Ashley King. The rest at the link. |
Subject: BS: Mac Iain's summer house From: Thompson Date: 11 Oct 23 - 04:07 PM I find this story tragic, this family fleeing to their booleying house and burying some coins, perhaps enough to get the children away safely, but being killed by the guests they'd hosted. This is the same story Sandra posted earlier today. It fits in the Archaeology thread - or you could start a music thread to discuss this kind of thing that might be the subject of a song (or many songs.) ---mudelf |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Bill D Date: 11 Oct 23 - 09:33 AM Earliest known wooden structure found "Close to half a million years ago, someone built an ancient structure from wood near Kalambo Falls in modern-day Zambia, at a time in human prehistory that archaeologists would previously never have expected." |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 10 Oct 23 - 05:49 AM Coin hoard could be linked to 1692's Glencoe Massacre (2023 article) The dig uncovering Glencoe's dark secrets (2019 article) |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 10 Oct 23 - 05:41 AM 1,900-year-old Knot-Frilled Child’s Gown Discovered in Israel's Cave of Letters The Cave of Letters in Israel has yielded many artifacts from the famous Bar Kokhba revolt, offering deep insights into Jewish history. Recently, a 1,900-year-old child's nightgown with intriguing "knots" was discovered, prompting speculation regarding their protective significance within ancient Jewish practices and beliefs. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Oct 23 - 12:52 PM Leonardo da Vinci. Just so. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 06 Oct 23 - 08:49 AM Basil John Wait Brown (22 January 1888 – 12 March 1977) was an English archaeologist and astronomer. Self-taught, he discovered and excavated a 6th-century Anglo-Saxon ship burial at Sutton Hoo in 1939, which has come to be called "one of the most important archaeological discoveries of all time". Other innovative amateurs who were open without agendas were Leonardo D'Vinci and the Wright brothers. Government-funded Harvard experts like Samual Langley could not solve the problem of controlled flight. An armchair amateur archeologist doesn't have to be a genius to make a discovery. If one could dig down 10 meters they would find more than gas and sewer lines or unexploded armaments. If one is curious enough and study twice before digging once, I bet people would be surprised by what they find. My grandmother found rare Eohippus fossils (tiny horses) in the Midwest that were millions of years old. If you are spry give it a try you'll be surprised by what you find |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 06 Oct 23 - 06:00 AM Animal footprints in that area include the giant sloth. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 06 Oct 23 - 04:03 AM Further evidence points to footprints in US National Park being the oldest sign of humans in the Americas New research has indicated fossil human footprints in New Mexico are likely the oldest direct evidence of human presence in the Americas, a finding that up-ends what many archaeologists thought they knew about civilisation in the region. The footprints were discovered at the edge of an ancient lake bed in White Sands National Park and date back to between 21,000 and 23,000 years ago, according to research published Thursday in the journal Science ... |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Sep 23 - 03:09 PM The comprehensively-discredited politician, Michael Gove, "Britons have had enough of experts..." |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 29 Sep 23 - 10:51 AM The discoverer of the submerged island cities in the Nile Delta was neither an archeologist or a scientist. His strength was in math. He said he took a lot of flack from the empty-handed 'experts'. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 27 Sep 23 - 02:29 AM Kofun Burial Chamber and Two Iron Swords Uncovered in Parking Lot Shrubbery - it's just a little round garden, surrounded by a low stone wall!! lots more interesting articles |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Sep 23 - 08:34 PM Our friend gnu shared this with me on my FB page, but it needs sharing over here. Temple of Aphrodite Discovered in Egypt’s Sunken City of Heracleion The submerged city of Heracleion, discovered back in 2000, continues to yield stunning archaeological treasures. The city, once called Thonis-Heracleion, thrived near present-day Alexandria. Exploration in the submerged city of Heracleion unveils a remarkable ancient gem: a temple dedicated to the goddess Aphrodite, shining new light on Greek presence in ancient Egypt. It's not a very long article but it has a link out to more about Heracleion. And Googling this probably brings up other sites, perhaps with more photos. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Sep 23 - 12:46 PM Following breadcrumbs from Sandra's story takes me to the Smithsonian entry about Homo heidelbergensis. In particular the description: In 1908 near Heidelberg, Germany, a workman found the type specimen of H. heidelbergensis in the Rösch sandpit just north of the village of Mauer. This mandible was nearly complete except for the missing premolars and first two left molars; it is heavily built and lacks a chin. German scientist Otto Schoentensack was the first to describe the specimen and proposed the species name Homo heidelbergensis. A point to make here is that while it says it "lacks a chin" doesn't mean that part of the mandible broke off, it's one of those early humanoid features. It seems that only Homo sapiens have a pronounced chin on the bottom of the face. I read about this recently, that earlier humanoids didn't have chins. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 21 Sep 23 - 06:37 AM WOW great find Sandra. What separates homo sapiens from our smart and clever ancestors seems to me to be art. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 20 Sep 23 - 05:37 PM World's oldest wooden structure discovered in Zambia, dating back 476,000 years, archaeologists say Archaeologists say they have unearthed the oldest wooden structure ever discovered, dating from nearly half a million years ago, which suggests that our ancestors may have been more advanced than previously thought. The exceptionally well-preserved wooden structure was found at Kalambo Falls in the north of Zambia, near the border with Tanzania. It dates back at least 476,000 years, well before the evolution of Homo sapiens, according to a study describing the find in the journal Nature. The wood bears cut-marks showing that stone tools were used to join two large logs to make the structure, which is believed to be a platform, walkway or raised dwelling to keep our relatives above the water. The ancestors of humans were already known to use wood at this time, but for limited purposes such as starting a fire or hunting. Larry Barham, an archaeologist at the UK's University of Liverpool and the study's lead author, told AFP that to his knowledge the previous record-holder for oldest wooden structure dated back around 9,000 years. (read on) |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 07 Sep 23 - 05:23 AM can't read it cos I have an ad blocker. They politely ask me to turn it off, but 1. I dunno how, & more importantly 2. I wouldn't even if I knew how, so I asked google - roman swords dead sea caves - & found this on BBC site sandra |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Bill D Date: 06 Sep 23 - 10:28 AM Old Roman swords found |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 05 Sep 23 - 02:52 PM The Nova episode 'The Maya Metropolis' is highly recommended. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 02 Sep 23 - 07:16 PM 3D maps of Swan River lead maritime archaeologists to unexplored wreck in Perth, Western Australia Detailed 3D maps of the bottom of the Swan River have led maritime archaeologists to a sunken barge right in the heart of Perth that has lain unexplored for about a century. Patrick Morrison, who is completing a doctorate in archaeology at the University of Western Australia, said the find was made after studying maps of the riverbed released by the state government. "We had seen … some of the shipwrecks that we knew existed, but we also saw some interesting lumps," Mr Morrison told Nadia Mitsopoulos, on ABC Radio Perth. "We ended up diving one of those after checking on the sonar, and it was a shipwreck … it could be about 100 years old." (read on) |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 23 - 06:48 PM https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20220810-derinkuyu-turkeys-underground-city-of-20000-people |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Bill D Date: 01 Sep 23 - 10:36 AM https://www.npr.org/2023/09/01/1191263572/turkey-archaeology-zerzevan-castle-discoveries |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 23 - 08:02 AM https://greekreporter.com/2023/08/10/humans-neanderthals-lived-together-50000-years-ago/ |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 28 Aug 23 - 05:18 PM Archaeologists discover 3,000-year-old tomb honouring elite religious leader in northern Peru Archaeologists in northern Peru have unearthed a 3,000-year-old tomb which they believe might have honoured an elite religious leader in the Andean country some three millennia ago. Dubbed the "Priest of Pacopampa," referring to the highland archaeological zone where the tomb was found, the priest would have been buried around 1200 BC, Peru's Culture Ministry said in a statement. The body was buried under six layers of ash mixed with black earth, with decorated ceramic bowls and seals indicating ancient ritual body paint used for people of elite standing ... |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 22 Aug 23 - 09:27 PM oops, I always use DaveRo's https://revad.github.io/linkifier.html to post links, did I leave off the first character? |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Aug 23 - 11:43 AM I recognize the name because the island had a weird role in an odd novel I read (The High Mountains of Portugal by Yann Martel - save yourself the trouble and don't read it, it's just plain odd.) From your article (it took a couple of tries to fix the link, but I'd seen this myself this week so figured out where it was): While other Portuguese sugar mills relied on enslaved people solely for manual labor, in the São Tomé sugar plantation system, enslaved people — largely from what are now Benin, the Republic of the Congo, Angola and the Democratic Republic of the Congo — performed nearly all the tasks, from the harvesting and processing of sugarcane to the carpentry and stone masonry needed to build and run the mills. "The island's plantations were so successful that in the 1530s, São Tomé surpassed Madeira — an Atlantic archipelago that the Portuguese used for their lucrative sugar operations — in supplying the European markets with sugar, and dozens of sugar mills were built." - unpaid labor will do that. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 19 Aug 23 - 09:26 AM Plantation slavery was invented on this tiny African island, according to archaeologists A 16th-century sugar estate on the tiny African island of São Tomé is the earliest known example of plantation slavery. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 29 Jul 23 - 07:02 PM 43,000 year old fossil + living plant Ancient clonal tree, King's lomatia, excites scientists in Tasmania's remote south west. Before the last ice age, deep in the mountains and valleys of south-western Tasmania an unusual little sprout grew from a seed. The plant grew and grew, eventually unfurling deep red flowers, but as the curled petals dropped to the ground no viable seeds formed. Today, its wild population is limited to just a 1.2 kilometre square and it may be among the world's oldest clonal plants — having grown from a single seed, genetically cloned many times over through the millennia ... |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 28 Jul 23 - 04:04 PM Probably since I look Scandinavian/German Aryan, a German tour group asked me for directions in the DC metro. I did defer to my wife. I don't have much sense of direction underground. I gave up comic sarcasm on the web 10 years ago. Stevy has given no evidence for his one-trick pony claim. Now can we get back to the topic. Prototaxites Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Prototaxites ancient tree sized fungus from en.wikipedia.org Prototaxites /?pro?to?'tæks?ti?z/ is a genus of terrestrial fossil fungi dating from the Middle Ordovician until the Late Devonian periods, ... ?Morphology · ?History of research · ?Species · ?Ecological context People also ask What is the largest prehistoric fungi? Prototaxites - Wikipedia Prototaxites With a diameter of up to 1 metre (3 ft 3 in), and a height reaching 8.8 metres (29 ft), Prototaxites fossils are remnants of by far the largest organism discovered from the period of its existence. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 28 Jul 23 - 03:10 PM U of Rochester professors researched it for me but I forget the name. The area was Binghamton NY. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Rain Dog Date: 28 Jul 23 - 02:19 PM "I discovered in my backyard a lifeform known to exist only in one small area in the world." What is the name of this lifeform?" |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 28 Jul 23 - 07:34 AM Ancient Roman ruins of Nero's Theatre discovered under hotel garden Archaeologists had been excavating deep under the walled garden of the Palazzo della Rovere since 2020 as part of planned renovations on the frescoed Renaissance building ...The palazzo takes up a city block along the broad Via della Conciliazione leading to Saint Peter's Square near the Vatican. It is home to an ancient Vatican chivalric order that leases the space to a hotel to raise money for Christians in the Holy Land. Officials hailed the findings from the excavation as "exceptional", given they provide a rare look at a stratum of Roman history from the Roman Empire through to the fifteenth century AD. Among the discoveries are 10th century AD glass coloured goblets and pottery pieces that are unusual because so little is known about this period in Rome ... |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Raggytash Date: 28 Jul 23 - 07:17 AM "Fungi are not likely to leave any fossil trace. There were mushrooms as big as small trees." How do you know without evidence ? |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 28 Jul 23 - 07:09 AM btw Any mass extinction event or die off has been followed by an age of fungus. Fungi are not likely to leave any fossil trace. There were mushrooms as big as small trees. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 28 Jul 23 - 06:49 AM There will be many examples. https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/upsettingly-michigan-does-not-have-the-largest-fungi-on-earth-humongous-fungus I discovered in my backyard a lifeform known to exist only in one small area in the world. It was an insect that made its own inch-long flying craft in the shape of a snow flake that was like stiff spider silk. It would repel being touched because of an electromagnetic charge. This tiny aphid like thing would sit in the middle and fly around. Unique LIFE can be very local to one small area. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 28 Jul 23 - 04:40 AM As we're talking of long-lived trees: Many years ago, I heard a report about someone investigating the fungi in a wood. Much to their surprise, they found it constituted a single plant, which was basically wearing the wood like a wig. It was thought to be the world's largest-known organism, but they were expecting to find bigger ones, as it wasn't a particularly large wood. .... If anyone can find the article, please do paste the link here. My google fu has deserted me this morning. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 28 Jul 23 - 04:15 AM The fact that the trees we're talking about are easy to propagate and are popular does ensure their future existence, even if their habitat is degraded or damaged. This is indeed the case with the Dawn Redwood in China, where over-collecting of cones for its seeds is preventing its ability to propagate itself (its habitat has been degraded too). In an ideal world we'd fervently protect the habitats of rare species. I understand that this has happened in the case of the Aussie ravines which support the Woolemi pine, but it seems that this has not happened in those limited areas of China in which Dawn Redwoods are hanging on. Keeping species alive "in captivity" is second-best but it's better than letting species go extinct, or (as we do) force them towards extinction. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 28 Jul 23 - 03:09 AM snip - From: Steve Shaw - PM Date: 27 Jul 23 - 07:28 PM Fortunately, the Woolemi pine is easily propagated. Its future is secure. - snip yes, but bushfires don't know that! Inside top-secret mission to save NSW's last surviving Wollemi pines from bushfire - January 2020 the pine was saved but some were damaged No doubt fires will approach their little corner again, but fire protection measures are in existence. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Jul 23 - 10:25 PM Dawn redwood wasn't on the brink of extinction, it, along with the gingko, were thought to be extinct until pockets of them were discovered in remote Chinese forests at the turn of the last century. In Washington State at Vantage is a highway overlook and park called Ginkgo Petrified Forest State Park, and at one time it was thought that these were examples of an extinct tree. (This park has a lot of types of petrified wood and it also has great petroglyphs). Metasequoia glyptostroboides is the scientific name of dawn redwood, and was one I loved for the way it rolled off my tongue when I learned about it in a college botany class. It was such a great story. I must have told my daughter about it, because as a fluke, when she was spending a semester abroad in Japan and had a ceramics class she made me a mug and spelled out the scientific name under the glaze around the base. (I tried planting one here at the house, but it got fried one summer, and I realized I'd set it too near to some overhead wires so would have had to trim it a lot if it had survived). (Ginkgo were also brought to many places in the US after this discovery and it's a feature in many parks and arboretums.) |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Jul 23 - 07:28 PM Fortunately, the Woolemi pine is easily propagated. Its future is secure. We have several (I think) at the Eden Project in Cornwall. Another brought back from the brink is the Dawn Redwood, Metasequoia glyptostroboides. It is the only surviving species of the genus Metasequoia, a genus previously thought to be extinct for over a hundred million years. s you could guess from the name, it's related to the giant redwoods. It was found in a small area of China in the 1940s, but it's threatened in its only known native habitat by land degradation and over-collecting of seeds. Luckily, it's also very easy to propagate, and it grows into a beautiful specimen tree. |
Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 27 Jul 23 - 06:40 PM The Wollemi Pine is one of the world's oldest and rarest plants dating back to the time of the dinosaurs With less than 100 adult trees known to exist in the wild, the Wollemi Pine is now the focus of extensive research to safeguard its survival. Assist in the conservation effort by growing your own Wollemi Pine and becoming part of one of the most dramatic comebacks in natural history. My neighbour was one of the many gardeners who seized the chance to have one in his garden. Turning this into a music thread - Lyrics - THE DAYS OF THE DINOSAUR [The Wollemi Pine] by Jim Low |
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