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Subject: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 23 - 04:28 PM

Dave the Gnome asked me to dumb down my alternative explanations (hypothesis). On second thought It is a good idea. Richard Feynman was the most personable genius and said you should be able to tell a stranger on a bar stool what you are on about.
You also can simplify stuff but never too much. So I will let you know some things you have to know first. I am on the outside looking inside at new discoveries And learning what I need to know to understand what I am seeing then try to make a distillation of common sense. When that common sense does not agree with conventional science I see a clue to look deeper or elsewhere.
You almost have to suspend belief in some things like gravity since there is no observational evidence for the graviton. Waves yes, but no trace of quanta packets of energy. Also, questions like why, can often not be answered. Problems that can't be solved require a new approach.
So here goes...Basically, there are two buckets of stuff, one has matter and the other bucket has force carriers. There are six kinds of electrons and sixteen kinds of quarks. The other buck has particles we call force carriers which are phons of the electrodynamic force. Gravitons are thought to be the force carrier of gravity, The strong nuclear force has carriers called gluons which I think have eight gluons and the weak nuclear force has three carriers. That's four fundamental forces. Yep we are looking for a fifth but it is inconclusive so far.
Issac Newton was stumped when it came to the concept of force carriers since he knew some things acted at a distance and he did not know how they did that. The three giants in Physics were Newton (the first physicist) Maxwell(found force carriers) and Einstein (the pull on space-time by mass).
After that, I have my favs like Dirac, and Shroedinger (for showing the absurdity of quantum mechanics) although the math worked. BTW I do not think in math which is like like a musician who can't read music but I do use mental pictures with my mind's eye which has its problems and advantages.
Photons pass through each other but other boson particle force carriers like fermions do interact and bounce off each other,r which makes bosons and fermions different. Now let's go smaller and look at neutrinos which pass through everything but can on very rare occasions interact with Matter. There are at least 6 kinds or flavors of neutrinos and seem to be able from one kind to another on their own.
We haven't measured all the theorized bosons but some of them have technicolor names

So now you know some names and types of standard particle theory. But what about reality? If everything was symmetrical we would not exist but somewhere the symmetry broke and our universe became possible. You can say symmetry broke and the magic happened.
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Now let's go smaller into nothing and you are in the quantum realm where fields fluctuate and particles pop into and out of existence. Some physicists don't bother to ask where they come from or where they go but virtual particles seem to go somewhere.
In this land of potential and probabilities, there are uncertainties. You can say on a fundamental level things are uncertain which seems reasonable and strange. Physicists may refer to these bits of nothingness as objects even though there may be nothing there.
Mysteries abound in this realm. For example, there seem to be error-correcting codes at this level. We do not know what this means. Mysteries that fascinate me are dark matter and dark energy. Based on their attributes some things are known but the ideas so far are not helping.

By now you see there is room for more speculations. It can be fun to explore new possibilities. Not by superstition but by things we know but perhaps can not yet measure. Is that lying? I don't think so. I think it is called thinking.
Naturally, black hole questions are popular today. That Dr. Penrose won a Nobel prize for his speculation of black holes but Einstein couldn't win one for General or Special Relativity. That is because of the way the rules for the prize are written.
I was born before Al died but scientists still criticized him regarding his theory into the 50s. It is more time-consuming to think than to be a critic.
As for psychology, it became clear to me the unconscious mind was bigger, stronger and smarter than the conscious mind. 12 years in clinical practice will do that.

I don't know if that clears things up for Dave or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 23 - 04:43 PM

buck=bucket and phons=photons
the rest you can intuit


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jan 23 - 05:09 PM

If this is a college lecture, wake me up at the end of the hour, somebody.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 23 - 05:42 PM

I also believe in free will because I have no choice but to believe in it when I question everything.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jan 23 - 05:58 PM

I thought you wanted to keep it simple.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 23 - 07:28 PM

In short you are adversarial. You have an adversarial government. You probably have adversarial relationships and family.

I get it,

but you are no Christopher Hitchins.
I wish you were because you contradict yourself a great deal
but you work with what you got. We all do.

If we could start the early Earth over a million times, different life would probably evolve each time. Some might have only right-handed proteins.
No way can we ever test this hypothesis but I think about these things.
As is, life evolved entirely differently at least once.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jan 23 - 07:39 PM

sigh. I knew it was you, Donuel, before I opened the thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jan 23 - 07:49 PM

Same here. A dose of the usual, of course...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 23 - 08:17 PM

Subjects that open my mind to new thoughts are a pleasure for me. That's why even the new data about UAPs may not have a conclusion but novel thinking results. If that offends you I think that's weird, so were even. Perhaps you never put yourself in the shoes of an alien and see things from their POV. I have and there are ideas to be gained. Ideas like how we would make false assumptions if we did meet since we are human. We would probably assume human aspects to them that do not exist.

a kiss is just a kiss a sigh is just a sigh
these are fundamentals of our life as time goes by
mysteries are unknown the answer leaves mind's blown
its the fundamental question why as time goes by.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jan 23 - 08:20 PM

You don't offend us but you do amuse us, and not always in the best way.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 23 - 08:55 PM

I can not be shamed by control freaks for asking unpopular questions.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 02:43 AM

Thanks Donuel. As yet it does not look simple but I have only skimmed it. I shall look more closely later.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 06:04 AM

Sorry Donuel. I think it comes down to us communicating on different levels. Your explanation of particle theory is perfectly clear and your line "By now you see there is room for more speculations. It can be fun to explore new possibilities. Not by superstition but by things we know but perhaps can not yet measure." is a good description of how you work but, for me, the whole post is marred by obscure references.

"You almost have to suspend belief in some things like gravity since there is no observational evidence for the graviton." - Sorry but that does not make sense. Gravity exists and whether it exists because of the graviton or the gravy boat does not matter.

"We haven't measured all the theorized bosons but some of them have technicolor names" - WTF are technicolour names?

"If everything was symmetrical we would not exist but somewhere the symmetry broke and our universe became possible." Really? Is that a fact? I am no astrophysacist but I have never heard of that theory.

Those are just three of the things that are arcane.

Let me tell you how I work through similar things. They are either fact or speculation. Speculation can become fact when knowledge is gained. Facts can be superceded by other facts as knowledge improves. I have no issue at all with saying 'I do not understand this' and when I do not understand it, I ask a couple of simple questions.

Do I need to understand it? If the answer is yes, I try to learn about it. If no, I defer to people who do

Do I want to understand it? If yes I will often pose questions like "WTF are technicolour names" (See - I DO want to understand :-) ) If no, I forget it.

I realised some time back that the older I get, the less I seem to know. It makes life interesting enough to know that things that happen every day to surprise or astound me. Some bad, but most of them good and all of them quite amazing.

I think you may have got the wrong idea about keeping things simple for me. I neither want nor need flowery or arcane language. Tell us what you think and why you think it, prefereably without stating opinions or theories as facts. We can make our own minds up. No one will think any the worse of you if you do not have 'special' powers. You are a very special person to many already. No need to try and impress others.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 06:30 AM

I heartily agree. Call a spade a spade. Donuel revels in NOT keeping things simple, unfortunately, which belies the title of this thread. There's poor English, there are flowery and obscure asides which he ascribes to his poetic predilections (sheesh), there are opinions as facts - and, saddest of all, there's a reputational issue. Too many times in the past we've had half-truths or garbled facts (which aren't always even facts) because of lack of checking. So you never know what to believe unless you start from scratch and research his claims yourself, which can get you very annoyed when you find a lot of errors and misinterpretations. Oh yes, and those claims of special powers... :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 07:31 AM

Where there is shared expertise in cross-domains and disciplines there is more to be learned but when there is no sharing of data we handicap the search for truths. People are organic data streams capable of great things in collaboration. Fear and greed still interfere in research.
If Steve could even once give examples of his complaints you would find he was fooled by humor he can't understand or when I MAKE AN HONEST MISTAKE. Mostly he has another misguided agenda,


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 07:35 AM

Thanks Steve. It may help if you cut him a bit more slack though. I think your observations are correct but I reckon that is just differences in how people communicate and, in this case, does it really matter? Yes, misinformation needs to be put straight but unless it directly affects me or my loved ones, I would be happy just pointing out the fallacies and leaving it to others to make their own minds up. If does affect me as in, for instance, the stance that the Tories are doing a good job, I will move heaven and earth to put it right. But precognition, god, the flying spagetti monster? Unless someone tries to force that belief on me, I just try to mention that it may be bollocks and leave it at that. I often fail but, hey, I am only human. Unlike some ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 07:41 AM

Lo and behold - a post appears, before I hit enter on mine, that I consider to be mainly bollocks. Organic data streams? What are they? Humour he can't understand? If someone does not understand it, it is not humourous! But does it reduce my quality of life? Nah. Do other people see it as bollocks? Well, if a Gnome of limited intelligence can work it out, I'm sure others can :-D


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 07:41 AM

There are several different schools of theoretical physics. One is called super symmetry. It expects many new force carrier particles and names the with an s like selectrons. They reveal themselves in math quite elegantly but present a problem when it comes to actual observation because they may occupy different dimensions. Supersymmetry is closely linked to string theory.

Later more different approaches can be discussed like brane theory and multiverse theories.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 07:49 AM

Yes, Donuel. I understand that it is theoretical physics yet in your initial post you said

"But what about reality? If everything was symmetrical we would not exist but somewhere the symmetry broke and our universe became possible."

That looks remarkably like you are stating it as a fact to me. I understand it is not but the more gullible may believe it is. I am tryng to help by pointing out it may not be true. When you say you want the truth, please ensure that you tell the truth as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Rain Dog
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 08:40 AM

I pity the weary traveller who asks Donuel for directions. I imagine that they would never reach their destination.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Charmion
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 12:56 PM

Oh, geez. This is why I studied history.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 01:14 PM

Cutting someone slack who is peddling deliberate misinformation and obfuscation simply means that nonsense is allowed to infest the forum, Dave. This place can be better than that.

Nice one, Charmion. Luckily, I studied natural history, so much of the physics goes over my head. But when I do make the effort to delve and find his stuff wanting, I end up thinking that everything he says needs checking. That's annoying.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 01:22 PM

The Daily Heil peddles deliberate misinformation, Steve, so I just don't read it. Fair enough, we all read posts on here and some are unwelcome but I find my own personal filter is pretty effective at sifting out cobblers :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Charmion
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 01:24 PM

The thing with studying history -- natural or any other kind -- is that inquiry begins with evidence (e.g., a bunch of tattered letters in a long-sealed file box, or a weird new finch), and continues through searching for and examining more evidence. Any speculation that is not briskly confirmed by evidence gets dumped, or the other historians will laugh and point, and stop inviting the speculator to symposia.

And that, gentlemen, is simplicity.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 01:29 PM

BTW Donuel. I just remembered that the acronym KISS is, or was, keep it short and simple. Maybe applying both would help.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 03:19 PM

Well said, Charmion (again).

KISS means "keep it simple, stupid." I doubt whether he knew that that's what it means.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 03:21 PM

Probably didn't have space on the line.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 03:24 PM

The Daily Mail puts out factual information which is selective and which is subtly mixed with comment. Good journalism attempts to separate news and comment. Donuel peddles misinformation. There's a difference. At least three, if not more, people here besides me have called him out.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 03:26 PM

Yes he did, Maggie. I've just tried it.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 03:52 PM

I remember that one too!

Fairy Nuff, Steve. Just thought it may be worth trying a different approach. I shall take my own advice and not press the issue :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 06 Jan 23 - 03:57 PM

For completeness: Donuel has this bit right: If everything was symmetrical we would not exist but somewhere the symmetry broke and our universe became possible. Had the Big Bang resulted in equal amounts of matter and antimatter, there'd have been a massive fireworks display, leaving only a cloud of gamma radiation.

Working out what broke symmetry is left as an exercise to the advanced theoretical physicist: your task, if you choose to accept it, is to permit symmetry to be broken without also breaking the astonishingly close agreement between currently-accepted physics and observation; predictions which can't be tested won't count. You are permitted to use both sides of the paper, but not at the same time. Good luck.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 03:07 AM

Sorry MaJoC but the asymmetry between matter and anti-matter is simply that. As far as I know "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" does not have an equivalent "every thing has an equal and opposite thing". Do we know that something "broke symmetry" or has there never been perfect symmetry in the natural universe? I understand that this is theoretical physics and is fascinating to some but to sell theory as fact is misleading and that is what I am trying to point out.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 04:07 AM

I was going to mention earlier but forgot. As an example of keeping complex subjects simple, the excellent Bill Bryson book, A short history of nearly everything is very good indeed.

I know that Bryson is not an acclaimed scientist but he is a great Anglo-American writer and humourist that has the knack of explaining many subjects in an easy to digest and entertaining way. As the explanations are often his take on science I would not rely on his views being spot on but they certainly make the subject easier to understand.

And just for you, Donuel, I must comment that he mentions Richard Feynman very early on. Which is what must have reminded me but it took me days to look it up :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 06:15 AM

What is simple are people who accept shit without question. Take the corporate organization. I see people who like to be systemized. One guy says everything will be fine if you accept that I am your boss and you will be my worker, Besides this BS website is a bit on the WASPY side you guys often accept your own nonsense without question. For example, you might say Ralph died of natural causes. I don't know anyone who died of unnatural causes.
What would an unnatural cause be? Being murdered by a time traveling multi dimensional insect?


Explain the universe in 4 simple sentences. Its a fools errend. It was tried in the Bible and we know how that BS turned out. So I will not bother to say 3 specific quarks are required to make a proton or a neutron. I leave most of your questions open to your own google endeavor. Be that as it may. You might realize that politics is a lot like comedy football - despite hecklers once in a while you find a path to open field and you score but most of the time its just a bunch of hitting and small losses. Maybe that's why football is so popular.

In conclusion, thinking outside the box is close to reality. You are probably in a box made by others. Your own box is preferable, whatever it is, even if it writing a Jewish version of Citizen Caine or Mein Kampf. Thats right the universe is on the absurd side and we try to systematize it according to rules we make up ourselves. Religions - we made them up. RIGHTS - we made them up. So we might as well make up good ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 06:27 AM

Go and have a nice cup of tea.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 07:40 AM

Well, sorry Donuel, but that is the biggest load of twaddle I have seen in a long time. Both style and content are lacking. There is no focus. I have no idea what you are referring to with most of it. There may be some gems of insight in there but they are lost in all the rubbish.

I know you are not in the least bit interested in my critique but please feel free to take or ignore my advice as you will. Be clear with what you want to say. Think about your target audience. If you disagree with anything I say just say so. I will not take offence. Other than that, unless you want me to address something specific, I'm afraid I must consign you to my list of people to ignore.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 08:04 AM

"What is simple are people who accept shit without question....you guys often accept your own nonsense without question..."

Would you like us to accept your, er, shit and nonsense without question? Or were you trying to be ironic?

By the way, we all know what dying via "natural causes" does and doesn't mean. It's a linguistic device, not a technical term. We can help you with that if you'd like us to. Don't worry - you can question it if you like...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 04:17 PM

I find the absurd responses pure comedy.
I don't think Einstein bounced his material off a crowd, he just had a handful of select friends and had his wife do most of his math. Later he gave the proceeds of his Nobel prize to her.

Its getting to the point where dictators and comics sound similar to me. When comics die on stage they sort of look like Khadaffi looked right before he actually died. Between the two I prefer comics
Some people march to the beat of a different drummer but I don't march and seldom care for drumming. Social media brings out the ass hole in folks for some reason.

Below the line I don't hear an original thought as much as I hear a critique. Rage drives social media as much as comedy. This site reminds me of Portlandia in that the cast take everything so seriously which makes the whole thing a comedy to the observer. I think Steve thinks his posts are timeless enduring and profound but the real punchline is that they are not. Like others, he does not know the difference between comedy and a normal narrative. Free association is costly in the real world but online its free. I know most of my posts reflect the current level of coffee in my bloodstream. By the law of averages I bet at least one mudcatter here has a lava lamp. By the same reason not one here has the answer to what the hell is dark matter or energy.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 04:26 PM

BTW Dave is on point with my opinion of his unread critique. Ain't that typical. Dave there is room for a new superhero called the Convincer, he wins every argument or thinks he does.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 05:22 PM

Your inferiority complex is showing through. By the way, I know nothing of social media. Have never indulged in any of it, not for a single minute.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 05:48 PM

> the Convincer

He's hunkered down in Mar-a-Lago.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 06:24 PM

More brain droppings; I am tolerant but I am not so tolerant as to tolerate intolerance.
I can be arrogant but not smug. Dave is smug but not arrogant. you know who is both.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 06:31 PM

'Tis you.

"O, wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion.”


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 07:04 PM

Ignoring really is the only way forward now Steve. It worked with thingy and whatsit who's names have now been erased from my RAM :-D


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 07:20 PM

One other thing (hope you don't mind, Dave...): Dave and I are both northerners of similar age and (more or less!) similar politics and outlook on life. We have never met though I hope we can put that right some day. We have differed numerous times when it comes to perspective on various issues, but we have always managed to agree to disagree if necessary. Despite any differences we may have, our transactions have been nothing less than amicable every time.

On a number of occasions recently you have made some rather feeble attempts to drive a wedge between us by bigging up Dave and dissing me. That rather unsubtle approach has been quite apparent in recent times. Well don't think I don't know what you're up to, and I can tell you that you are on a hiding to nothing. I actually find this to be childish and I'm really sorry that you appear to be unable to come across here as a positive and cheery fellow who can express himself clearly and be humble enough to realise that you are no real authority on anything that you think you are. A good scientist is a good communicator. That's one hurdle you fall at every time. You really don't have to be like this. You need to take two steps back and reconsider the way you approach the rest of us here. Dave has given you good advice. As you won't listen to me (why should you? Why should anybody!), at least listen to him.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 07:21 PM

Cross-posted there, Dave. You could be right!


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 23 - 07:30 PM

Anyway, enough of this. I have to go to Specsavers tomorrow. I think it's the Launceston branch, but if I find I've been misinformed and it's really the Barnard Castle branch, I'll call in on you Dave en route. I need to drive from Bude to Barnard Castle anyway, just to test my eyesight, don't you know...!


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 03:02 AM

A wedge is whenever you feel you are not the center of attention.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 03:33 AM

sheesh. Is that why you start so many threads, Donuel? I would probably often enjoy your posts if they stayed on my level....


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 10:28 AM

You might enjoy them if you got a time machine. Be sure to set it to PRESENT.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 01:37 PM

We'd all enjoy them more if they were focused, well-expressed, well-researched and accurate.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 04:38 PM

"By the way, I know nothing of social media. Have never indulged in any of it, not for a single minute."
quote: the guy who complains about internet trolls.

I know some other guys who constantly spewed a dehumanization of the Jews


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 05:16 PM

As we are bringing up random irrelevances, I have heard some people enjoy massaging custard into their buttocks! There is a deep meaning to this but you lesser mortals will not understand:-D


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 05:38 PM

If it wasn't for your enemas you wouldn't have any sober friends at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 05:58 PM

The fact is, old son, whether you like it or not, that I have never spent one second on Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter or any similar wastes of space and am not registered to any of them. So yes, I can say what I said and I don't need some idiot trying to cast aspersions on that. Just stick to what you know, why don't you, you loser. And I don't understand your allusion to dehumanisation of Jews. Perhaps you could enlarge on that so that I can consider suing you. You disgust me, frankly.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 06:07 PM

Trying though Donuel is I think Mudcat counts as social media. His other allegations are nothing short of slanderous though. Typical keyboard warrior.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stanron
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 06:07 PM

Why would you think that the BS part of Mudcat is not social media? It's a pretty niche element of society admitted but it is still media that is social. Unruly, sometimes unpleasant and a lot smaller than the big hitters already named I admit.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 06:18 PM

It's the only place I come to to post anything like a lot, and I value it. You can't post photos or set up chatty groups, etc., it's agreeably old-fashioned and it's absolutely nothing like those other horrors I mentioned. You can't come here to groom kids and you can't promote suicide and self-harm or promote terrorism. We are a particular narrow section of society, bound together by our interest in traditional music. Yes I know we can stray from that but I for one make it my priority to scan the above-line list every time I come here, even though a lot of the time I don't have much to say there. If you want to call Mudcat "social media," good for you. But I think I can see quite a few stark differences between it and those other places, even if you can't.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 06:54 PM

Sociable media?

Robin


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Rain Dog
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 07:21 PM

"have never spent one second on Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter or any similar wastes of space and am not registered to any of them."

You have said before that you have spent time on Facebook. I am not registered with any of those sites but i do read some pages which are available without the need to register in order to access them. They are not all a waste of space either.

Some of the exchanges here in the BS section do resemble some of the behaviour found on those sites. It is not so much the platform but more the behaviour of the individual posters.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stanron
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 07:49 PM

My car is an Aixam Mega City electric car. The last time I looked there were only six registered on the road in this country. Information on these cars is hard to get.

I've joined two Aixam groups on Facebook and received and given information in both these groups. Valuable stuff both ways. I've also joined a G-Wizz group, a couple of battery building groups and some EV building groups. There are founts of knowledge out there that are well worth tapping.

My car sat on my driveway, not working, for over six months before I found out how to fix it. The information that mattered came from the G-Wizz Facebook group.

I've never posted or received abusive stuff. No kids were harmed at any point.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 08:02 PM

"You have said before that you have spent time on Facebook."

Really? The only time I ever look at Facebook is to find out what's happening when Mudcat is down. Sometimes it will let me look, other times times it won't. I am not a member and I don't post, and never will. Mrs Steve and I are not on Facebook. Most of our other nearest and dearest are, but not once have we ever looked at what they do there. If you think that means I am "on Facebook," then our perspectives clearly differ.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 08:04 PM

And by the way,

"Some of the exchanges here in the BS section do resemble some of the behaviour found on those sites."

How would you know if you're not on them??


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 02:32 AM

The allusion to the dehumanisation of Jews is as arcane, obscure and mystic as the one to massaging custard into buttocks, Steve. You will never understand it because you are not "special". Like I keep saying, best to ignore it.

I go on Facebook regularly and Mudcat, even the BS section, is nothing like it. You cannot post photos and videos on here. The unregisteted public cannot even comment on the BS section. There are so few of us here that moderation is possible. The moderation team and even the site owner are approachable. I disagree with some of Steve's views on Facebook but to liken it to Mudcat is beyond ridiculous.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Rain Dog
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 02:50 AM

I am not a member of any of those sites. I read some sites which are open to the public, just like you say that you do. Facebook sites can be moderated by those who set them up. The Mudcat Facebook site is an example of that.

Not all social media sites are bad. To say so is just plain daft.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 03:23 AM

I agree with that, Rain Dog, and that is where I disagree with Steve. One good point he makes though is that by being members of Facebook we are helping to support the groups that are harmful. I stay a member in the (probably vain) hope that it Will eventually get its act together and axe the ability to start hate/ conspiracy/ self-harm etc. groups.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 03:53 AM

I’m with Raindog and Dave. I do use Facebook, mostly for family contacts and FB Groups in which I have a particular interest - Tall Ship sailing, specific guitar groups, a couple of Outdoors groups, and a few others. However, it’s the only SM site I use - Mrs Backwoodsperson has a Twitter account and follows a particular dog-breed group, but that’s pretty much the sum total of her involvement.

And, like Dave, I have reservations about my (unintentional and involuntary) part in enabling harmful groups on FB but, also like Dave, I continue in the hope that it will sooner or later clean up its act.

With regard to the trolling and other nasty stuff that goes on on FB, by restricting the Groups I belong to, I avoid much of it. And, exactly as on this forum, it can be ignored and simply scrolled past.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 04:29 AM

It's a free country and I would never shout at people simply because they're "on Facebook." Some people send their kids to private schools. Some jump the queue by paying for private medicine. Some enjoy Wagner's music even though he was rabid antisemite. I haven't checked the ethical failings of the banks which have my savings. I eat crumpets made by a company that donates to the Tories. For me, the extensive harm that Facebook does is in plain sight and it's just a bridge too far for me. Life was fine without it and still is for me. That's all.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 06:02 AM

I enjoy being on our local Facebook to see what's going on in our village. It's very useful (road closures, escaped goats, opening times for the pub and the shop etc). I rarely post on there, just sometimes to ask a question or respond to our shepherdesses who run the sheep sanctuary. No trolls or nastiness (thank goodness).


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 06:03 AM

As for massaging custard into buttocks, Dave, that would just about become vaguely interesting to me if it was someone else's buttocks. You didn't specify...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 06:17 AM

Well I hear that you can ringfence your own Facebook activities. But knowing what I know about the harm that can be done to vulnerable people, the lack of control over children using the site, the trolling and hate speech that often goes untouched and the various incitements to violence, self-harm and suicide, etc. etc., it's a line that I personally won't cross. That's just me and for all the reasons I mentioned before I can't criticise those who come to a different decision. To do that would be hypocritical. The company that owns Facebook, etc., makes billions a year in profits. I might think differently if some of that money was used to employ armies of moderators who would pre-moderate every post that was intended for the public domain and close the accounts of people who continually violate the rules. Yes I know there are issues with that. Far too much profit, far too little control going on. No Wild West for me, thanks, and no unintended support for it either.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 07:36 AM

I'll keep it simple, I do not respect white nationalists of any nationality, even those with colonial values and a social caste system of classism. The hypocrisy of the 'love me I'm a liberal' self-proclaimed lefty is due to old age but that is no excuse. That I do not respect such a person is not slanderous, it is a fact. I do not care if the person wants to identify themselves as a botanist of a certain age because I can separate that from their darker anti-social aspect of their behavior. Even a one-man cult is still a cult. You guessed it, I do not like cults.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 07:49 AM

You would think people could spell cu*t right wouldn't you...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 09:10 AM

It would pay you to take note of the people who have seen through your vile nonsense in the last couple of days both in this thread and your precognition one. That latest personal attack shows that you never actually take anything on board. So many of your posts reveal that you've gone through life not learning lessons properly, so I can't say I'm surprised to see you carrying on digging. Disappointing, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 08:07 AM

There are different flavors of white nationalists and I have surmised where one is on the spectrum including myself. I understand Steve can't 'smell' himself as the hateful bigoted troll he is. There is even the kind of denier who can partially accept certain facts and still be prejudiced to the contrary. Its as common as mixed feelings.
I know what amazes me does not amaze others. For example the DNA packet in sperm that will express a female will still corkscrew swim but go slower and lives longer than a male producing sperm. I accept that humans have temporary organs. Ther are probably thousands of things we will disagree.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 09:00 AM

To be simple the most fundamental difference between us is joy, satisfaction and happiness. For me it comes from the inside.

For you it comes from the outside like money, food, and travel. Like a punchline that is tacked on instead of a scenario or bit that is funny.
After joy I would say empathy is a second major difference.
Its like the value of whats inside a person and not what they look like.

If I had a post that was like a classroom, your behavior in that class would not be acceptable by the students or teachers. Especially if they had to pay for that education. I revel that humanity can be enhanced.
You like that humanity can be controlled, obstructed and interrupted,.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 09:51 AM

Apart from that, everything OK then? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 01:53 PM

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom the emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapped in awe, is as good as dead —his eyes are closed. The insight into the mystery of life, coupled though it be with fear, has also given rise to religion. To know what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty,iwhich our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms—this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.
I would say I am religiously curious but not about religiosity.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 03:30 PM

Steve confuses the word mysterious with obscure.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 04:26 PM

Well I regard your alleged mysteriousness as pure bullshit, but that's just me. Keep digging.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 07:54 PM

steve sings


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 08:00 PM

"

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom the emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapped in awe, is as good as dead —his eyes are closed. The insight into the mystery of life, coupled though it be with fear, has also given rise to religion. To know what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms—this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness."

Quote: Albert Einstien


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 08:43 PM

Well I must have said it on this forum a dozen times: I reject religions, and religiosity, because there's no explanation for anything in nature therein. It's an intellectual copout. It's a way of finding easy, reassuring, false answers and it stunts the pursuit of science, the search for real knowledge. It's not possible to explain the world and the universe by confecting a supernatural, all-knowing, all-powerful creator of everything, without beginning or end, who is himself utterly beyond explanation. Quite often, the purveyors of such remarkable beings like to couch things in such ways as to have the rest of us thinking that they are somehow "mystical" or more "spiritual." Those two words are almost redundant in my lexicon. The world and the nature it holds, and the universe beyond, are wonderful enough, amazing in their beauty and diversity, with lots still to explain via scientific endeavour. There's so much to engender curiosity, wonder, awe, delight and edification there, with no need whatsoever to take heed of the flights of evidence-innocent fancy that we've seen in a couple of recent threads here. The real beauty of the world, including not only nature but also the human endeavours of music, art and literature, is contained in the enquiry those things generate in us. That's enough for me, and I don't need God, magic or fairies at the bottom of the garden. By the way, unless Einstein is talking about science, he's no greater than anyone else!


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 10:06 PM

You really know how to completly miss the point.

So back to cosmology according to a NOBEL PRIZE WINNER Penrose


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 10:33 PM

After you called Einstein's thoughts total Bull Shit you now try to say you have a better idea? BTW he's not talking about the glory of religion but instead the power of mystery in our history. Its OK we already know you are no Einstien.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 10:53 PM

We were living in Virginia when a family from Oklahoma arrived and attended our church. They had a son about the same age as my 12 year old brother.

After church one day this boy started bragging about his abilities as a horse rider and trainer. The older boys in the group were polite, nodding their heads and telling him, Ah. Oh, wow. Oh yeah, I can see how that happened....

My brother spoke up. I don't believe it, he said loudly. This kid is lying.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 03:02 AM

One of the most amazing, yet frustrating, wonders of nature is how someone can see another person's words and glean an entirely different meaning to the rest of us...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 04:06 AM

Donuel's entire recent focus appears to be personal attacks. I think I've worked out what that's a sign of. Hands up anyone else, by the way, who thought I said that I thought Einstein's ideas were total bullshit. I'm definitely no Einstein, in exactly the same way that Donuel is no scientist.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 04:25 AM

Steve:

"The world and the nature it holds, and the universe beyond, are wonderful enough, amazing in their beauty and diversity, with lots still to explain via scientific endeavour. There's so much to engender curiosity, wonder, awe, delight and edification there.... The real beauty of the world, including not only nature but also the human endeavours of music, art and literature, is contained in the enquiry those things generate in us."

Albert:

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science."

I think that Albert and I are agreeing here. If anyone sees a hidden conflict between our philosophies, do apprise me. By the way, the whole essence of science is to endeavour to solve the mysterious (of course, there are practical aspects too...). The starting point is contained in the humility that we don't yet understand enough to provide the answers, that gods of gaps don't cut it, and the delicious thing is that some answers may never be found. The process has be the scientific method and we have to eschew the temptations of the mystical and the religious and anything else that attempts to sidetrack that. In no way does that marginalise human imagination, without which there wouldn't be the enthusiasm to keep looking. Just beware of the holy men, the mystics, the precognistas and the snake oil salesmen en route...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 06:57 AM

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science..."

Well I regard your alleged mysteriousness as pure bullshit, but that's just me. Keep digging. Steve Quote

OR

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science."

I think that Albert and I are agreeing here.Steve quote.

Did you lie the first time or the second time or both?

When I do not respond to your baseless claims you become more trollish.
I will no longer tolerate your senseless trollism without showing how aggressively you attack every single statement you think I make.
You are still obstructing the basic tenants of cosmology with remarks that are not contributing. It is my opinion everyone should have some means of knowing where and why they are here. You can stop being against it. Or can you?
Simply put it is you who are adrift.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 08:20 AM

If you say so. You have a simple solution in the interests of regaining your cool: stop the attacks and just talk sense instead. Brave new world!


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 08:37 AM

A simple question
What kind of troll are you?
Who's against everything
It seems I'm not the only one
Who objects to your swill
What kind of mind is this?
An empty shell
A lonely cell in which
A hateful heart must dwell
What kind of clown is he?
What does he know of life?
Why can't he cast away?
His mask of clay
And live his life
Why can't he stay away?
Like any normal guy
And maybe then I'll know
What kind of fool he is
What kind of mind is this?
An empty shell
A lonely cell in which
A hateful heart must dwell
What kind of lies are his?
That lied with every post
That whispered depraved words of hate
And lied the most
Why can't he contribute?
Like any other guy
And maybe then I'll know
Why do narcissists just lie.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 08:52 AM

By the way, you quoted the Einstein in two separate posts. The first time, you failed to attribute it, presumably hoping we'd think it was your wisdom. My response to that was dismissive of your general demeanour down the weeks, months and years, not of the substantive, which, as I indicated later, I largely concur with. Instead of calling me names, perhaps you should try to be a little more straightforward?


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 09:11 AM

And you bit nastily didn't you.
Don't expect silence
to your nonsense
in the future.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 09:30 AM

I expect more convoluted nonsense. Anyway, enough for now. I have soup going cold.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 09:59 AM

Well Steve, as you seem to be a Holocaust denying, white supremacist troll with no sense of humour I suppose I should ignore you but, for some reason, I don't seem to pick up on that. What I do see is Donuel who, when faced with a point he cannot sensibly respond to starts to spout mystical nonsense, claiming it is either Dyslexia or his "special" way of seeing the world. When that is shown up for the complete bollocks it is, the personal attacks start.

For the third time in as many days, I can only suggest that we ignore the tantrums. They will either stop or he will get stopped eventually.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 10:19 AM

And we don't want to make him poorly, do we? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 10:56 AM

I went into Therapeutic hypnosis for the mysteries, not the mysticism.
Little did I know it would lead to big bucks recruitment but ethics made me say no.
Careful with the defamation or I'll sue you for 100,000 dollhairs.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 11:07 AM

Please, Dog, make it stop…


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 11:07 AM

A-a-and…100!


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 11:21 AM

That you would think I am handicapped and seek to make fun of it shows the kind of low-life yahoos you are. I don't think being a dog hater and a magic fanatic are handicaps, but they are eye-rolling.
I hold the members of this social media forum with high respect except the usual suspects.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 11:24 AM

Here's a simple hint and tip:

Buy a large box of Maltesers. Forget you bought them for a year. Make sure they're three months out of date before opening. Result: a box full of chewy ones. Nirvana!

(This has happened to us in the last fifteen minutes...)


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 11:29 AM

Does it work with a box of magic mushrooms?


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 11:49 AM

Only if you're a fun guy, so it would work for us, er, "usual suspects" but not for....


Oh, never mind... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 11:53 AM

May your next cruise have a plumbing breakdown and a Noro virus outbreak.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 12:01 PM

The abuse has progressed to wishing harm on people. My my, what petulance!


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 01:12 PM

Hey, Dave, a thousand Asian curses on anyone who wishes harm on other people!


Er...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 01:34 PM

You thought this was an argument, no its abuse.
Know what cheers me up and not feel this is all about abuse?
A sing-along...Everybody out there at work or home Lets sing along;
Why are there so many songs about mem'ries
and whats on the other side
mem'ries are visions but only illusions
and mem'ries have nothing to hide
so we've been told and some choose to believe it,
I know their wrong wait and see
someday you'll find it the mem'rie connection
the lovers the screamers and me.
all of us under its spells
we know that its probably tragic

Have you been half asleep?
and have you heard voices
You've heard them calling your name
Is this the sweet sound ?
that calls the old seniors
the voice might be one and the same
I've heard it too many times to ignore it
Its something that might come to be
someday day you'll find it
the right diagnosis
End stage Alzhiemers to be
la da da dee dum dum da lalee lee la loo.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 01:40 PM

"Please, Dog, make it stop…"

Do you mean "Please! Doggerel! Make it stop!"


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 01:53 PM

Repeating yourself is the first symptom.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 02:29 PM

The next symptom can be recipe mistakes but from what I see here you should seriously get checked out like Nigel.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 04:55 PM

Nigel Slater produces lovely recipes and I have several of his books.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 23 - 12:30 PM

The broadcaster and food critic does not sound like our Nigel who said he was in the health field and does not present as gay.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 23 - 12:52 PM

Wanna make a big thing of that?


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 23 - 01:04 PM

My favourite curse is "May the hole in your arse heal up"

Arabic I believe


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 23 - 05:55 AM

I started this to simplify particle physics and cosmology but the intellectuals from the UK reduced the topic to assholes


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 23 - 06:12 AM

Well this is how you started to "simplify" things for us:

"You almost have to suspend belief in some things like gravity since there is no observational evidence for the graviton. Waves yes, but no trace of quanta packets of energy. Also, questions like why, can often not be answered. Problems that can't be solved require a new approach.
So here goes...Basically, there are two buckets of stuff, one has matter and the other bucket has force carriers. There are six kinds of electrons and sixteen kinds of quarks. The other buck has particles we call force carriers which are phons of the electrodynamic force. Gravitons are thought to be the force carrier of gravity, The strong nuclear force has carriers called gluons which I think have eight gluons and the weak nuclear force has three carriers. That's four fundamental forces. Yep we are looking for a fifth but it is inconclusive so far."

I'm afraid that this attempt to "simplify" things would have had your lecture theatre emptied within minutes as your students headed out to find some headache pills. Migraine in the case of the highlighted sentence.

So don't blame us!


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 23 - 12:46 PM

Simply put two Germans Haber and Bosch, in 1910 made it possible to expand the population from 1.6 billion to what it is today. They found a way to break triple-bonded N2 gas into a form (ammonia) that plants could use. If not for their innovation you might not be here today due to starvation. But that is totally uncertain.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 23 - 02:53 PM

Well it was hardly a saintly achievement, was it? Ammonia thus manufactured was used to make explosives in WW1, and its use in agriculture, to which you allude, has caused soil degradation and pollution on a huge scale of land, rivers, lakes and oceans. Oxides of nitrogen are serious atmospheric pollutants which are in part attributable to ammonia production. You could claim that it increased world food production but you can't claim that it improved food quality. Quite the opposite, and its environmental impact was and is devastating. So there's no such thing as a free lunch.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 23 - 05:41 PM

True, you can blow things up or grow food or both. Even C-4 is nitrogen derived. Germany made a rainbow of new colors out of hydrocarbons in coal but they also invented Mustard gas.
Survivors in London owe their pensions to Werner Von Braun for his advances in rocketry. They even helped educate Einstien but chased him out of Germany but that's not a simple story.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 11:04 AM

"Look children, see the pretty red tide on our shores"?


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Subject: RE: BS: keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 10:38 PM

I'm here for fun. Steve is here for adulation but can't get no satisfaction andhe tries andhe tries...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jan 23 - 06:14 AM

That is a rock-solid troll post by any definition of "troll" you'd care to adopt.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jan 23 - 12:32 PM

Just a response to your (contribution)

Now back to cosmology:
The very small does reflect the random potential
and luck in life but little else. The universe at large has many more similarities to life and anthropomorphic comparisons.
Earth rotates once every 24 hours lately, It used to be faster.
Venus rotates so slowly its day is slower than its year.
Life on Earth has adjusted itself to the 24 hour schedule and even to its slower seasons. The Universe resembles the concepts of time we do on a very strange way. The early embryonic universe saw no light like we do then the age of light began. In a very long time, the starlight will fade to darkness leaving only black holes. It is one very long day in the light but darkness will return when the stars run out out of fuel and black holes eat most of the remnants. What comes after that may be a quantum event that begins a new big bang but we don't really know. Somewhere there is the oldest black hole and we don't yet know what or how it formed, but its there. It is like finding our first grey hair a sign of our impending death. Other anthropomorphic comparisons can be made even between gravity and new creation. Eary man has been making these comparisons for a long time. Many religious texts explore these.
Today we are asking the web telescope to answer more of our questions.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jan 23 - 04:51 PM

More nonsensical verbiage from you is a blatant attempt to distract from the fact that you TROLLED me earlier today. Well that doesn't work for me, I'm afraid. You are an absolute disgrace.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 07:05 AM

You poor dear you are so victimized in your own delusions.

Since we are made of and by the universe, it is only natural to see the similarities of life to some universal truths.
"We are made of star stuff"


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 08:30 AM

As you know the universe is not just expanding it is accelerating which means there is a whole lot of nothing in its future just like the lifespan of an organism.


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Subject: RE: BS: keep it honest
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 09:00 AM

In the past, I have been grateful for some of the people and things that Steve introduced to me. Christopher Hitchins comes to mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 09:04 AM

"it is accelerating"

No it isn't, Mr cosmologist. Its expansion is accelerating.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 11:15 AM

Mr. Hitchins was always the contrarian with elegance and humor.
Steve is always the contrarian.
Still it is good to know he at least knows what I talk about at times.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 11:45 AM

Yes I do, unfortunately.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 01:00 PM

Such is the irreconcilable differences between the past fact-based mind and the ironic mind, the linear mind and the dimensional mind. We know a bird flies best with two wings than one.

Socrates did not leave any writing but lets pretend he did exist.
He supposedly said an educated mind knows how little it knows.
Today the human species knows less and less about more and more of the universe. Quantum mechanics can measure more of the tiny but we don't know why it does, We have tools to change DNA yet we don't know where we can reliably cut and paste to cure disease however using half of it (RNA) we have made some great new vaccines, cosmology is in a quandary about galaxy formation black holes and inflation etc. We are doing better than superstition mysticism and the supernatural but there is even more we don't know with our new scientific discoveries. I expect that the questions about nothingness will reveal many mysteries such as zero point energy and other concepts yet unknown or misunderstood.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 01:51 PM

I have had a question about entropy and our universe and whether it gets reset with a new big bang expression of our universe.

We know things tend to "go down hill" or become more chaotic toward a lower energy state so that there may come a day of the big rip and disassembly of neutrons and protons. Could this lower energy state still end up capable of a repeat big bang since energy can not be created or destroyed?

It is guaranteed we will never know. It is not often I submit something will not happen but evolution of our species will probably not extend into such a far-reaching near infinity.

The universe is stranger than we know or even that we can ever know


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 01:57 PM

The biggest restraint on discoveries is that research is only where the money is. There is a lot of Cancer research because that is where the money is.
I am only tangentially associated with research grants. While great leeway
is offered there are few grants for pure research. The discoveries made along the way come from data that doesn't fit and is unexpected. Other times scientists
have to reverse engineer into the future to get to a needed result that did not exist before almost like star trek sci-fi. The mysteries are fun to me so I can fill them with my dreams.
The scientist is bound to the data alone and has to restrain themselves from conclusions. Another barrier to discovery besides money is a compartmentalization
that keeps more remarkable findings away from the public and scientific sectors.
There are other political barriers to research. A government shutdown can wipe out a 10 year project by interrupting a process in health and life sciences.
What a waste. Agreeing on language and definitions are also barriers. There are 40 or 50 definitions of life. Intelligence has many more definitions
There are sociological barriers regarding shaming a scientist for going in a atypical direction. THOSE that ignore that social shaming by exploring beyond the
status quo do well and often lead to new companies offering new services, processes, and materials. The social shamers are practically a cult.
REMOVING these barriers is not likely but I do imagine what may have advanced without such barriers. Like a dream of a technocrat, this imagined utopia has
no limits.
I have no contact with astronomical or physics research but I have become aware of the greatest successes and failures. One failure was the Antarctic
observatory for exploring the early inflation of the universe. They don't talk about that one but we all know about The Webb and the LHC.
.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 05:51 PM

Focus.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 07:26 PM

I was focused on barriers to research and by extension - discoveries.

If you would like to focus on a science that can only be studied here on Earth it would be your fav. Biology.
I found a scientist that was experimenting on life that was 3.8 billion years old. What she learned is fascinating and far from simple.
In fact even you may find it challenging to follow the miraculous chemistry that turned into life.
interview regarding ancient DNA secrets


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 07:36 PM

Studying the origin of life is rather ambitious.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 08:53 PM

I followed the "miraculous chemistry that turned into life" in an essay that I wrote fifty years ago at Imperial College. I still have that essay. I got an A for it. Had I referred to "miraculous chemistry" in that essay I'm guessing that a C+ might have been mine.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 09:22 PM

I'm up to 153 definitions for life. We might have some agreement that panpsychism offers a virtual supernatural view of the building blocks of life from particles to chemicals. The arrogant conceit of our POV may be a barrier to even looking at this panpsychism possibility. We are a part of the universe seeking to know itself. As such it still needs a look, particularly at the two seemingly impossible steps life took in its early evolution.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jan 23 - 08:12 PM

Gosh. Whatever...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jan 23 - 09:31 PM

Bertrand Russel chimes in this discussion


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 23 - 04:56 PM

I don't make mistakes :) Mistakes made me. Failures and failed experiments are countless. But each one has some instructive quality.

It is said the early universe entered an inflation phase. I still prefer to see it as time distortion from immense mass concentration and not the status quo explanations.


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Subject: RE: BS: This shit ain't simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 01:47 PM

Most of you have heard that a search for quantum gravity has been unsuccessful. I theorize that relativity and quantum mechanics are already linked but trying to quantize gravity is the wrong approach.
They are already linked with wormholes and quantum entanglement. What I believe is really missing are dimensions we can't see.
I have seen other dimensions ( I think )when two nebulous globes passed through brick walls. Only me and my cat saw them. The other dimension could be a torus intruding in 3D space and not 2 globes. For example, in
a two-dimensional space, a globe passing through would look like a small circle getting bigger and then smaller. If space had a shape like a helix a straight line would not be the shortest route between 2 points but a spiral would. All orbits form a helix in time and of course, there is even DNA. The 3-D space we see is flat but higher dimensions probably curve.

So my ideas about space is about geometries we can't see. The dimensions we are used to can be stacked up to form the next higher dimension. Stack two dimensions up to get After time, the 5th dimension becomes very difficult to visualize unless you think of
displacement as a key. It is easy to think I am crazy but Brian Greene is starting to consider my way of thinking.
Brian Greene

My idea about black holes creating a singularity that forms a wormhole and then generates space from mass and energy is unique but even Penrose shows how black holes transmutes mass into space time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2EtTE9Czzo


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 02:09 PM

Many years ago a respected astrophysicist postulated that ladies with large bottoms cause the earth to rotate. This theory has not yet been refuted. Makes you think Dunnit...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 03:07 PM

Brian Greene is American. Dave's bottom theory is UK?


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 03:28 PM

A Brian may be involved...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 03:32 PM

Then of course there's Hutton's Arse. Best geology book ever written.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 03:35 PM

Perhaps the great living genius is Ed Witten. He is up to 11 - 27 dimensions. Trying to grok 5 dimensions is where I am.
Do check out the Brian Grene interview, it is the most intimate interview I have heard him do.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 09:19 AM

We can sense and feel the 4th dimension of time. It is a different kind of direction. Pointing at a clock isn't a time direction.
Other than looking at the math of wormholes or seeing spooky action at a distance I don't sense or feel a fifth dimension but my brain evolved from my ancestors who had no advantages from a fifth dimension sense.
I can conceive of a dimension that wraps around space in a way that makes every point in space adjacent to one another regardless of distance. The LHC is looking for another dimension by trying to find an energy loss when a particle goes into another dimension. So far no luck.

In an effort to prevent this thread like threads about Neuroscience and the Human Brain, from being closed by Steve Shaw by his use of nonsense and swearing, I wish to add that The Liars Culture most often masks their lies as entertainment. These tactics are counter to other values such as wisdom or simply being a decent human being. He will claim innocence and compound his lies which is fine since I believe in free speech, not NO SPEECH. The current war to not teach history and heinous lies for entertainment or power is important enough to call out in any form.
The Liars Culture is not my kind of TLC.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 09:44 AM

I thought this thread was about keeping things simple?


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 10:39 AM

Donuel
Are you on some forums where people understand you straight away and maybe even agree with you and expand your points?
Could you post a sample link?


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 11:28 AM

There are hundreds of sites like Quora which is on the lay side. The academic sites require math skills.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 12:55 PM

Best yet listen to the foremost cosmologists and astrophysicists on you tube in interviews or presentations. My leading favorites are Brian Greene, Roger Penrose and Witten. Lex Fridman interviews many of them on youtube. For free lessons on cosmology check out this guy PBS HE IS ENTERTAINING AND FASCINATING. He's older now and is held in esteem.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 01:02 PM

In the UK this cosmologist has many fans check it out


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 10:30 PM

Donuel
Could you suggest some websites where we could read and hear from good cosmologists and astrophysicists please?


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