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BS: KISS keep it simple

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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 10:30 PM

Donuel
Could you suggest some websites where we could read and hear from good cosmologists and astrophysicists please?


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 01:02 PM

In the UK this cosmologist has many fans check it out


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 12:55 PM

Best yet listen to the foremost cosmologists and astrophysicists on you tube in interviews or presentations. My leading favorites are Brian Greene, Roger Penrose and Witten. Lex Fridman interviews many of them on youtube. For free lessons on cosmology check out this guy PBS HE IS ENTERTAINING AND FASCINATING. He's older now and is held in esteem.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 11:28 AM

There are hundreds of sites like Quora which is on the lay side. The academic sites require math skills.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 10:39 AM

Donuel
Are you on some forums where people understand you straight away and maybe even agree with you and expand your points?
Could you post a sample link?


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 09:44 AM

I thought this thread was about keeping things simple?


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 09:19 AM

We can sense and feel the 4th dimension of time. It is a different kind of direction. Pointing at a clock isn't a time direction.
Other than looking at the math of wormholes or seeing spooky action at a distance I don't sense or feel a fifth dimension but my brain evolved from my ancestors who had no advantages from a fifth dimension sense.
I can conceive of a dimension that wraps around space in a way that makes every point in space adjacent to one another regardless of distance. The LHC is looking for another dimension by trying to find an energy loss when a particle goes into another dimension. So far no luck.

In an effort to prevent this thread like threads about Neuroscience and the Human Brain, from being closed by Steve Shaw by his use of nonsense and swearing, I wish to add that The Liars Culture most often masks their lies as entertainment. These tactics are counter to other values such as wisdom or simply being a decent human being. He will claim innocence and compound his lies which is fine since I believe in free speech, not NO SPEECH. The current war to not teach history and heinous lies for entertainment or power is important enough to call out in any form.
The Liars Culture is not my kind of TLC.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 03:35 PM

Perhaps the great living genius is Ed Witten. He is up to 11 - 27 dimensions. Trying to grok 5 dimensions is where I am.
Do check out the Brian Grene interview, it is the most intimate interview I have heard him do.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 03:32 PM

Then of course there's Hutton's Arse. Best geology book ever written.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 03:28 PM

A Brian may be involved...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 03:07 PM

Brian Greene is American. Dave's bottom theory is UK?


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 02:09 PM

Many years ago a respected astrophysicist postulated that ladies with large bottoms cause the earth to rotate. This theory has not yet been refuted. Makes you think Dunnit...


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Subject: RE: BS: This shit ain't simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 01:47 PM

Most of you have heard that a search for quantum gravity has been unsuccessful. I theorize that relativity and quantum mechanics are already linked but trying to quantize gravity is the wrong approach.
They are already linked with wormholes and quantum entanglement. What I believe is really missing are dimensions we can't see.
I have seen other dimensions ( I think )when two nebulous globes passed through brick walls. Only me and my cat saw them. The other dimension could be a torus intruding in 3D space and not 2 globes. For example, in
a two-dimensional space, a globe passing through would look like a small circle getting bigger and then smaller. If space had a shape like a helix a straight line would not be the shortest route between 2 points but a spiral would. All orbits form a helix in time and of course, there is even DNA. The 3-D space we see is flat but higher dimensions probably curve.

So my ideas about space is about geometries we can't see. The dimensions we are used to can be stacked up to form the next higher dimension. Stack two dimensions up to get After time, the 5th dimension becomes very difficult to visualize unless you think of
displacement as a key. It is easy to think I am crazy but Brian Greene is starting to consider my way of thinking.
Brian Greene

My idea about black holes creating a singularity that forms a wormhole and then generates space from mass and energy is unique but even Penrose shows how black holes transmutes mass into space time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2EtTE9Czzo


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 23 - 04:56 PM

I don't make mistakes :) Mistakes made me. Failures and failed experiments are countless. But each one has some instructive quality.

It is said the early universe entered an inflation phase. I still prefer to see it as time distortion from immense mass concentration and not the status quo explanations.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jan 23 - 09:31 PM

Bertrand Russel chimes in this discussion


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jan 23 - 08:12 PM

Gosh. Whatever...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 09:22 PM

I'm up to 153 definitions for life. We might have some agreement that panpsychism offers a virtual supernatural view of the building blocks of life from particles to chemicals. The arrogant conceit of our POV may be a barrier to even looking at this panpsychism possibility. We are a part of the universe seeking to know itself. As such it still needs a look, particularly at the two seemingly impossible steps life took in its early evolution.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 08:53 PM

I followed the "miraculous chemistry that turned into life" in an essay that I wrote fifty years ago at Imperial College. I still have that essay. I got an A for it. Had I referred to "miraculous chemistry" in that essay I'm guessing that a C+ might have been mine.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 07:36 PM

Studying the origin of life is rather ambitious.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 07:26 PM

I was focused on barriers to research and by extension - discoveries.

If you would like to focus on a science that can only be studied here on Earth it would be your fav. Biology.
I found a scientist that was experimenting on life that was 3.8 billion years old. What she learned is fascinating and far from simple.
In fact even you may find it challenging to follow the miraculous chemistry that turned into life.
interview regarding ancient DNA secrets


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 05:51 PM

Focus.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 23 - 01:57 PM

The biggest restraint on discoveries is that research is only where the money is. There is a lot of Cancer research because that is where the money is.
I am only tangentially associated with research grants. While great leeway
is offered there are few grants for pure research. The discoveries made along the way come from data that doesn't fit and is unexpected. Other times scientists
have to reverse engineer into the future to get to a needed result that did not exist before almost like star trek sci-fi. The mysteries are fun to me so I can fill them with my dreams.
The scientist is bound to the data alone and has to restrain themselves from conclusions. Another barrier to discovery besides money is a compartmentalization
that keeps more remarkable findings away from the public and scientific sectors.
There are other political barriers to research. A government shutdown can wipe out a 10 year project by interrupting a process in health and life sciences.
What a waste. Agreeing on language and definitions are also barriers. There are 40 or 50 definitions of life. Intelligence has many more definitions
There are sociological barriers regarding shaming a scientist for going in a atypical direction. THOSE that ignore that social shaming by exploring beyond the
status quo do well and often lead to new companies offering new services, processes, and materials. The social shamers are practically a cult.
REMOVING these barriers is not likely but I do imagine what may have advanced without such barriers. Like a dream of a technocrat, this imagined utopia has
no limits.
I have no contact with astronomical or physics research but I have become aware of the greatest successes and failures. One failure was the Antarctic
observatory for exploring the early inflation of the universe. They don't talk about that one but we all know about The Webb and the LHC.
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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 01:51 PM

I have had a question about entropy and our universe and whether it gets reset with a new big bang expression of our universe.

We know things tend to "go down hill" or become more chaotic toward a lower energy state so that there may come a day of the big rip and disassembly of neutrons and protons. Could this lower energy state still end up capable of a repeat big bang since energy can not be created or destroyed?

It is guaranteed we will never know. It is not often I submit something will not happen but evolution of our species will probably not extend into such a far-reaching near infinity.

The universe is stranger than we know or even that we can ever know


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 01:00 PM

Such is the irreconcilable differences between the past fact-based mind and the ironic mind, the linear mind and the dimensional mind. We know a bird flies best with two wings than one.

Socrates did not leave any writing but lets pretend he did exist.
He supposedly said an educated mind knows how little it knows.
Today the human species knows less and less about more and more of the universe. Quantum mechanics can measure more of the tiny but we don't know why it does, We have tools to change DNA yet we don't know where we can reliably cut and paste to cure disease however using half of it (RNA) we have made some great new vaccines, cosmology is in a quandary about galaxy formation black holes and inflation etc. We are doing better than superstition mysticism and the supernatural but there is even more we don't know with our new scientific discoveries. I expect that the questions about nothingness will reveal many mysteries such as zero point energy and other concepts yet unknown or misunderstood.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 11:45 AM

Yes I do, unfortunately.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 11:15 AM

Mr. Hitchins was always the contrarian with elegance and humor.
Steve is always the contrarian.
Still it is good to know he at least knows what I talk about at times.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 09:04 AM

"it is accelerating"

No it isn't, Mr cosmologist. Its expansion is accelerating.


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Subject: RE: BS: keep it honest
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 09:00 AM

In the past, I have been grateful for some of the people and things that Steve introduced to me. Christopher Hitchins comes to mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 08:30 AM

As you know the universe is not just expanding it is accelerating which means there is a whole lot of nothing in its future just like the lifespan of an organism.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 23 - 07:05 AM

You poor dear you are so victimized in your own delusions.

Since we are made of and by the universe, it is only natural to see the similarities of life to some universal truths.
"We are made of star stuff"


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jan 23 - 04:51 PM

More nonsensical verbiage from you is a blatant attempt to distract from the fact that you TROLLED me earlier today. Well that doesn't work for me, I'm afraid. You are an absolute disgrace.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jan 23 - 12:32 PM

Just a response to your (contribution)

Now back to cosmology:
The very small does reflect the random potential
and luck in life but little else. The universe at large has many more similarities to life and anthropomorphic comparisons.
Earth rotates once every 24 hours lately, It used to be faster.
Venus rotates so slowly its day is slower than its year.
Life on Earth has adjusted itself to the 24 hour schedule and even to its slower seasons. The Universe resembles the concepts of time we do on a very strange way. The early embryonic universe saw no light like we do then the age of light began. In a very long time, the starlight will fade to darkness leaving only black holes. It is one very long day in the light but darkness will return when the stars run out out of fuel and black holes eat most of the remnants. What comes after that may be a quantum event that begins a new big bang but we don't really know. Somewhere there is the oldest black hole and we don't yet know what or how it formed, but its there. It is like finding our first grey hair a sign of our impending death. Other anthropomorphic comparisons can be made even between gravity and new creation. Eary man has been making these comparisons for a long time. Many religious texts explore these.
Today we are asking the web telescope to answer more of our questions.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jan 23 - 06:14 AM

That is a rock-solid troll post by any definition of "troll" you'd care to adopt.


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Subject: RE: BS: keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 10:38 PM

I'm here for fun. Steve is here for adulation but can't get no satisfaction andhe tries andhe tries...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 23 - 11:04 AM

"Look children, see the pretty red tide on our shores"?


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 23 - 05:41 PM

True, you can blow things up or grow food or both. Even C-4 is nitrogen derived. Germany made a rainbow of new colors out of hydrocarbons in coal but they also invented Mustard gas.
Survivors in London owe their pensions to Werner Von Braun for his advances in rocketry. They even helped educate Einstien but chased him out of Germany but that's not a simple story.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 23 - 02:53 PM

Well it was hardly a saintly achievement, was it? Ammonia thus manufactured was used to make explosives in WW1, and its use in agriculture, to which you allude, has caused soil degradation and pollution on a huge scale of land, rivers, lakes and oceans. Oxides of nitrogen are serious atmospheric pollutants which are in part attributable to ammonia production. You could claim that it increased world food production but you can't claim that it improved food quality. Quite the opposite, and its environmental impact was and is devastating. So there's no such thing as a free lunch.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 23 - 12:46 PM

Simply put two Germans Haber and Bosch, in 1910 made it possible to expand the population from 1.6 billion to what it is today. They found a way to break triple-bonded N2 gas into a form (ammonia) that plants could use. If not for their innovation you might not be here today due to starvation. But that is totally uncertain.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 23 - 06:12 AM

Well this is how you started to "simplify" things for us:

"You almost have to suspend belief in some things like gravity since there is no observational evidence for the graviton. Waves yes, but no trace of quanta packets of energy. Also, questions like why, can often not be answered. Problems that can't be solved require a new approach.
So here goes...Basically, there are two buckets of stuff, one has matter and the other bucket has force carriers. There are six kinds of electrons and sixteen kinds of quarks. The other buck has particles we call force carriers which are phons of the electrodynamic force. Gravitons are thought to be the force carrier of gravity, The strong nuclear force has carriers called gluons which I think have eight gluons and the weak nuclear force has three carriers. That's four fundamental forces. Yep we are looking for a fifth but it is inconclusive so far."

I'm afraid that this attempt to "simplify" things would have had your lecture theatre emptied within minutes as your students headed out to find some headache pills. Migraine in the case of the highlighted sentence.

So don't blame us!


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 23 - 05:55 AM

I started this to simplify particle physics and cosmology but the intellectuals from the UK reduced the topic to assholes


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 23 - 01:04 PM

My favourite curse is "May the hole in your arse heal up"

Arabic I believe


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 23 - 12:52 PM

Wanna make a big thing of that?


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 23 - 12:30 PM

The broadcaster and food critic does not sound like our Nigel who said he was in the health field and does not present as gay.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 04:55 PM

Nigel Slater produces lovely recipes and I have several of his books.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 02:29 PM

The next symptom can be recipe mistakes but from what I see here you should seriously get checked out like Nigel.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 01:53 PM

Repeating yourself is the first symptom.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 01:40 PM

"Please, Dog, make it stop…"

Do you mean "Please! Doggerel! Make it stop!"


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 01:34 PM

You thought this was an argument, no its abuse.
Know what cheers me up and not feel this is all about abuse?
A sing-along...Everybody out there at work or home Lets sing along;
Why are there so many songs about mem'ries
and whats on the other side
mem'ries are visions but only illusions
and mem'ries have nothing to hide
so we've been told and some choose to believe it,
I know their wrong wait and see
someday you'll find it the mem'rie connection
the lovers the screamers and me.
all of us under its spells
we know that its probably tragic

Have you been half asleep?
and have you heard voices
You've heard them calling your name
Is this the sweet sound ?
that calls the old seniors
the voice might be one and the same
I've heard it too many times to ignore it
Its something that might come to be
someday day you'll find it
the right diagnosis
End stage Alzhiemers to be
la da da dee dum dum da lalee lee la loo.


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 01:12 PM

Hey, Dave, a thousand Asian curses on anyone who wishes harm on other people!


Er...


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Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 12:01 PM

The abuse has progressed to wishing harm on people. My my, what petulance!


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