BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 01:37 PM

We'd all enjoy them more if they were focused, well-expressed, well-researched and accurate.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 04:38 PM

"By the way, I know nothing of social media. Have never indulged in any of it, not for a single minute."
quote: the guy who complains about internet trolls.

I know some other guys who constantly spewed a dehumanization of the Jews

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 05:16 PM

As we are bringing up random irrelevances, I have heard some people enjoy massaging custard into their buttocks! There is a deep meaning to this but you lesser mortals will not understand:-D

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 05:38 PM

If it wasn't for your enemas you wouldn't have any sober friends at all.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 05:58 PM

The fact is, old son, whether you like it or not, that I have never spent one second on Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter or any similar wastes of space and am not registered to any of them. So yes, I can say what I said and I don't need some idiot trying to cast aspersions on that. Just stick to what you know, why don't you, you loser. And I don't understand your allusion to dehumanisation of Jews. Perhaps you could enlarge on that so that I can consider suing you. You disgust me, frankly.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 06:07 PM

Trying though Donuel is I think Mudcat counts as social media. His other allegations are nothing short of slanderous though. Typical keyboard warrior.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stanron
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 06:07 PM

Why would you think that the BS part of Mudcat is not social media? It's a pretty niche element of society admitted but it is still media that is social. Unruly, sometimes unpleasant and a lot smaller than the big hitters already named I admit.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 06:18 PM

It's the only place I come to to post anything like a lot, and I value it. You can't post photos or set up chatty groups, etc., it's agreeably old-fashioned and it's absolutely nothing like those other horrors I mentioned. You can't come here to groom kids and you can't promote suicide and self-harm or promote terrorism. We are a particular narrow section of society, bound together by our interest in traditional music. Yes I know we can stray from that but I for one make it my priority to scan the above-line list every time I come here, even though a lot of the time I don't have much to say there. If you want to call Mudcat "social media," good for you. But I think I can see quite a few stark differences between it and those other places, even if you can't.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 06:54 PM

Sociable media?

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Rain Dog
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 07:21 PM

"have never spent one second on Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter or any similar wastes of space and am not registered to any of them."

You have said before that you have spent time on Facebook. I am not registered with any of those sites but i do read some pages which are available without the need to register in order to access them. They are not all a waste of space either.

Some of the exchanges here in the BS section do resemble some of the behaviour found on those sites. It is not so much the platform but more the behaviour of the individual posters.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stanron
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 07:49 PM

My car is an Aixam Mega City electric car. The last time I looked there were only six registered on the road in this country. Information on these cars is hard to get.

I've joined two Aixam groups on Facebook and received and given information in both these groups. Valuable stuff both ways. I've also joined a G-Wizz group, a couple of battery building groups and some EV building groups. There are founts of knowledge out there that are well worth tapping.

My car sat on my driveway, not working, for over six months before I found out how to fix it. The information that mattered came from the G-Wizz Facebook group.

I've never posted or received abusive stuff. No kids were harmed at any point.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 08:02 PM

"You have said before that you have spent time on Facebook."

Really? The only time I ever look at Facebook is to find out what's happening when Mudcat is down. Sometimes it will let me look, other times times it won't. I am not a member and I don't post, and never will. Mrs Steve and I are not on Facebook. Most of our other nearest and dearest are, but not once have we ever looked at what they do there. If you think that means I am "on Facebook," then our perspectives clearly differ.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 23 - 08:04 PM

And by the way,

"Some of the exchanges here in the BS section do resemble some of the behaviour found on those sites."

How would you know if you're not on them??

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 02:32 AM

The allusion to the dehumanisation of Jews is as arcane, obscure and mystic as the one to massaging custard into buttocks, Steve. You will never understand it because you are not "special". Like I keep saying, best to ignore it.

I go on Facebook regularly and Mudcat, even the BS section, is nothing like it. You cannot post photos and videos on here. The unregisteted public cannot even comment on the BS section. There are so few of us here that moderation is possible. The moderation team and even the site owner are approachable. I disagree with some of Steve's views on Facebook but to liken it to Mudcat is beyond ridiculous.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Rain Dog
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 02:50 AM

I am not a member of any of those sites. I read some sites which are open to the public, just like you say that you do. Facebook sites can be moderated by those who set them up. The Mudcat Facebook site is an example of that.

Not all social media sites are bad. To say so is just plain daft.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 03:23 AM

I agree with that, Rain Dog, and that is where I disagree with Steve. One good point he makes though is that by being members of Facebook we are helping to support the groups that are harmful. I stay a member in the (probably vain) hope that it Will eventually get its act together and axe the ability to start hate/ conspiracy/ self-harm etc. groups.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 03:53 AM

I’m with Raindog and Dave. I do use Facebook, mostly for family contacts and FB Groups in which I have a particular interest - Tall Ship sailing, specific guitar groups, a couple of Outdoors groups, and a few others. However, it’s the only SM site I use - Mrs Backwoodsperson has a Twitter account and follows a particular dog-breed group, but that’s pretty much the sum total of her involvement.

And, like Dave, I have reservations about my (unintentional and involuntary) part in enabling harmful groups on FB but, also like Dave, I continue in the hope that it will sooner or later clean up its act.

With regard to the trolling and other nasty stuff that goes on on FB, by restricting the Groups I belong to, I avoid much of it. And, exactly as on this forum, it can be ignored and simply scrolled past.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 04:29 AM

It's a free country and I would never shout at people simply because they're "on Facebook." Some people send their kids to private schools. Some jump the queue by paying for private medicine. Some enjoy Wagner's music even though he was rabid antisemite. I haven't checked the ethical failings of the banks which have my savings. I eat crumpets made by a company that donates to the Tories. For me, the extensive harm that Facebook does is in plain sight and it's just a bridge too far for me. Life was fine without it and still is for me. That's all.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 06:02 AM

I enjoy being on our local Facebook to see what's going on in our village. It's very useful (road closures, escaped goats, opening times for the pub and the shop etc). I rarely post on there, just sometimes to ask a question or respond to our shepherdesses who run the sheep sanctuary. No trolls or nastiness (thank goodness).

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 06:03 AM

As for massaging custard into buttocks, Dave, that would just about become vaguely interesting to me if it was someone else's buttocks. You didn't specify...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 06:17 AM

Well I hear that you can ringfence your own Facebook activities. But knowing what I know about the harm that can be done to vulnerable people, the lack of control over children using the site, the trolling and hate speech that often goes untouched and the various incitements to violence, self-harm and suicide, etc. etc., it's a line that I personally won't cross. That's just me and for all the reasons I mentioned before I can't criticise those who come to a different decision. To do that would be hypocritical. The company that owns Facebook, etc., makes billions a year in profits. I might think differently if some of that money was used to employ armies of moderators who would pre-moderate every post that was intended for the public domain and close the accounts of people who continually violate the rules. Yes I know there are issues with that. Far too much profit, far too little control going on. No Wild West for me, thanks, and no unintended support for it either.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 07:36 AM

I'll keep it simple, I do not respect white nationalists of any nationality, even those with colonial values and a social caste system of classism. The hypocrisy of the 'love me I'm a liberal' self-proclaimed lefty is due to old age but that is no excuse. That I do not respect such a person is not slanderous, it is a fact. I do not care if the person wants to identify themselves as a botanist of a certain age because I can separate that from their darker anti-social aspect of their behavior. Even a one-man cult is still a cult. You guessed it, I do not like cults.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 07:49 AM

You would think people could spell cu*t right wouldn't you...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 23 - 09:10 AM

It would pay you to take note of the people who have seen through your vile nonsense in the last couple of days both in this thread and your precognition one. That latest personal attack shows that you never actually take anything on board. So many of your posts reveal that you've gone through life not learning lessons properly, so I can't say I'm surprised to see you carrying on digging. Disappointing, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 08:07 AM

There are different flavors of white nationalists and I have surmised where one is on the spectrum including myself. I understand Steve can't 'smell' himself as the hateful bigoted troll he is. There is even the kind of denier who can partially accept certain facts and still be prejudiced to the contrary. Its as common as mixed feelings.
I know what amazes me does not amaze others. For example the DNA packet in sperm that will express a female will still corkscrew swim but go slower and lives longer than a male producing sperm. I accept that humans have temporary organs. Ther are probably thousands of things we will disagree.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 09:00 AM

To be simple the most fundamental difference between us is joy, satisfaction and happiness. For me it comes from the inside.

For you it comes from the outside like money, food, and travel. Like a punchline that is tacked on instead of a scenario or bit that is funny.
After joy I would say empathy is a second major difference.
Its like the value of whats inside a person and not what they look like.

If I had a post that was like a classroom, your behavior in that class would not be acceptable by the students or teachers. Especially if they had to pay for that education. I revel that humanity can be enhanced.
You like that humanity can be controlled, obstructed and interrupted,.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 09:51 AM

Apart from that, everything OK then? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 01:53 PM

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom the emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapped in awe, is as good as dead —his eyes are closed. The insight into the mystery of life, coupled though it be with fear, has also given rise to religion. To know what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty,iwhich our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms—this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.
I would say I am religiously curious but not about religiosity.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 03:30 PM

Steve confuses the word mysterious with obscure.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 04:26 PM

Well I regard your alleged mysteriousness as pure bullshit, but that's just me. Keep digging.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 07:54 PM

steve sings

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 08:00 PM

"

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom the emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapped in awe, is as good as dead —his eyes are closed. The insight into the mystery of life, coupled though it be with fear, has also given rise to religion. To know what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms—this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness."

Quote: Albert Einstien

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 08:43 PM

Well I must have said it on this forum a dozen times: I reject religions, and religiosity, because there's no explanation for anything in nature therein. It's an intellectual copout. It's a way of finding easy, reassuring, false answers and it stunts the pursuit of science, the search for real knowledge. It's not possible to explain the world and the universe by confecting a supernatural, all-knowing, all-powerful creator of everything, without beginning or end, who is himself utterly beyond explanation. Quite often, the purveyors of such remarkable beings like to couch things in such ways as to have the rest of us thinking that they are somehow "mystical" or more "spiritual." Those two words are almost redundant in my lexicon. The world and the nature it holds, and the universe beyond, are wonderful enough, amazing in their beauty and diversity, with lots still to explain via scientific endeavour. There's so much to engender curiosity, wonder, awe, delight and edification there, with no need whatsoever to take heed of the flights of evidence-innocent fancy that we've seen in a couple of recent threads here. The real beauty of the world, including not only nature but also the human endeavours of music, art and literature, is contained in the enquiry those things generate in us. That's enough for me, and I don't need God, magic or fairies at the bottom of the garden. By the way, unless Einstein is talking about science, he's no greater than anyone else!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 10:06 PM

You really know how to completly miss the point.

So back to cosmology according to a NOBEL PRIZE WINNER Penrose

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 10:33 PM

After you called Einstein's thoughts total Bull Shit you now try to say you have a better idea? BTW he's not talking about the glory of religion but instead the power of mystery in our history. Its OK we already know you are no Einstien.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jan 23 - 10:53 PM

We were living in Virginia when a family from Oklahoma arrived and attended our church. They had a son about the same age as my 12 year old brother.

After church one day this boy started bragging about his abilities as a horse rider and trainer. The older boys in the group were polite, nodding their heads and telling him, Ah. Oh, wow. Oh yeah, I can see how that happened....

My brother spoke up. I don't believe it, he said loudly. This kid is lying.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 03:02 AM

One of the most amazing, yet frustrating, wonders of nature is how someone can see another person's words and glean an entirely different meaning to the rest of us...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 04:06 AM

Donuel's entire recent focus appears to be personal attacks. I think I've worked out what that's a sign of. Hands up anyone else, by the way, who thought I said that I thought Einstein's ideas were total bullshit. I'm definitely no Einstein, in exactly the same way that Donuel is no scientist.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 04:25 AM

Steve:

"The world and the nature it holds, and the universe beyond, are wonderful enough, amazing in their beauty and diversity, with lots still to explain via scientific endeavour. There's so much to engender curiosity, wonder, awe, delight and edification there.... The real beauty of the world, including not only nature but also the human endeavours of music, art and literature, is contained in the enquiry those things generate in us."

Albert:

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science."

I think that Albert and I are agreeing here. If anyone sees a hidden conflict between our philosophies, do apprise me. By the way, the whole essence of science is to endeavour to solve the mysterious (of course, there are practical aspects too...). The starting point is contained in the humility that we don't yet understand enough to provide the answers, that gods of gaps don't cut it, and the delicious thing is that some answers may never be found. The process has be the scientific method and we have to eschew the temptations of the mystical and the religious and anything else that attempts to sidetrack that. In no way does that marginalise human imagination, without which there wouldn't be the enthusiasm to keep looking. Just beware of the holy men, the mystics, the precognistas and the snake oil salesmen en route...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 06:57 AM

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science..."

Well I regard your alleged mysteriousness as pure bullshit, but that's just me. Keep digging. Steve Quote

OR

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science."

I think that Albert and I are agreeing here.Steve quote.

Did you lie the first time or the second time or both?

When I do not respond to your baseless claims you become more trollish.
I will no longer tolerate your senseless trollism without showing how aggressively you attack every single statement you think I make.
You are still obstructing the basic tenants of cosmology with remarks that are not contributing. It is my opinion everyone should have some means of knowing where and why they are here. You can stop being against it. Or can you?
Simply put it is you who are adrift.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 08:20 AM

If you say so. You have a simple solution in the interests of regaining your cool: stop the attacks and just talk sense instead. Brave new world!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 08:37 AM

A simple question
What kind of troll are you?
Who's against everything
It seems I'm not the only one
Who objects to your swill
What kind of mind is this?
An empty shell
A lonely cell in which
A hateful heart must dwell
What kind of clown is he?
What does he know of life?
Why can't he cast away?
His mask of clay
And live his life
Why can't he stay away?
Like any normal guy
And maybe then I'll know
What kind of fool he is
What kind of mind is this?
An empty shell
A lonely cell in which
A hateful heart must dwell
What kind of lies are his?
That lied with every post
That whispered depraved words of hate
And lied the most
Why can't he contribute?
Like any other guy
And maybe then I'll know
Why do narcissists just lie.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 08:52 AM

By the way, you quoted the Einstein in two separate posts. The first time, you failed to attribute it, presumably hoping we'd think it was your wisdom. My response to that was dismissive of your general demeanour down the weeks, months and years, not of the substantive, which, as I indicated later, I largely concur with. Instead of calling me names, perhaps you should try to be a little more straightforward?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 09:11 AM

And you bit nastily didn't you.
Don't expect silence
to your nonsense
in the future.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 09:30 AM

I expect more convoluted nonsense. Anyway, enough for now. I have soup going cold.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 09:59 AM

Well Steve, as you seem to be a Holocaust denying, white supremacist troll with no sense of humour I suppose I should ignore you but, for some reason, I don't seem to pick up on that. What I do see is Donuel who, when faced with a point he cannot sensibly respond to starts to spout mystical nonsense, claiming it is either Dyslexia or his "special" way of seeing the world. When that is shown up for the complete bollocks it is, the personal attacks start.

For the third time in as many days, I can only suggest that we ignore the tantrums. They will either stop or he will get stopped eventually.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 10:19 AM

And we don't want to make him poorly, do we? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 10:56 AM

I went into Therapeutic hypnosis for the mysteries, not the mysticism.
Little did I know it would lead to big bucks recruitment but ethics made me say no.
Careful with the defamation or I'll sue you for 100,000 dollhairs.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 11:07 AM

Please, Dog, make it stop…

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Jan 23 - 11:07 AM

A-a-and…100!