BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 10 Mar 23 - 06:29 AM

> I wonder how big a headstone should be required to show Schwartchilds
> equations.

Depends whether the stonemason has a chisel that can do Flyspeck Three.

> Even a neutron is not infallible, it too will decay.

.... in about fifteen minutes when free, which is why they hide in nuclei. Protons are rather longer-lived (half-life at least 1.67×10³⁴ years, quoth Wikipedia, but for some reason proton decay's not yet been observed).

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Mar 23 - 08:15 PM

About 15 years ago I started carrying on about black holes and that they seem to transmute mass into space, well...

WOO HOO! It is becoming an accepted paradigm that I now hear reported on NPR and my other haunts.

I never claimed to know the mechanism that delivers more space into space from inside a black hole which would account for dark energy and the acceleration of the expansion of the universe - BUT - I HAVE GOTTEN IT HALF RIGHT.

This process is not as secure as general relativity but it is finally on the lips of those in the know.15 years ago I could only find one guy in NZ who had similar insight - now its everywhere you look..
https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2023/02/19/are-black-holes-the-source-of-dark-energy/#:~:text=Black%20holes%20are%20the%20source,e

I am glad I persevered in this long time conundrum.

Well there is still the mystery of dark matter. Before you say 'even a blind squirrel can find a nut', Remember If I can hit a target with spacial thought so can nearly everyone.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Mar 23 - 08:22 PM

I first noticed a relationship between the acceleration rate and black hole increase in the universe and went from there. Kinda obvious now.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Mar 23 - 08:27 PM

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/243114/scientists-find-first-evidence-that-black/

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Mar 23 - 10:09 PM

I just finished hearing Science Friday on NPR about the 'new' black hole dark matter connection. To be fair they missed 2 essential points. One being that the recent Nobel Prize winner Roger Penrose has demonstrated how Black holes go beyond turning mass into energy and can actually transmute mass-energy into space energy. Second, They missed the correlation between an increase in black holes and an increase in the acceleration of more space.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Mar 23 - 03:11 PM

My black hole theory that now is about to revolutionize all of cosmology was so unintuitive that there was not a single person here who openly accepted its validity. Actually, Amos was the only person who did make a constructive comment regarding my cosmic pursuit. Only because of a recent observation of new SMBH growth has this confirmation happened in my lifetime. This hole in one is my one trick pony cosmically speaking.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 23 - 04:21 PM

You've got an ego bigger than my arse, that's for sure.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 23 - 06:52 AM

What is large is the time I devoted to this example of problem solving by other means. What is unique is how I posted every step along the way over 15 years or more by setting thoughts free to roam into an entirely unknown realm. I'm surprised your harumph did't take the form of ("anything interesting is certainly wrong".
Different people celebrate different things,

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 13 Mar 23 - 10:43 AM

My black hole theory that now is about to revolutionize all of cosmology was so unintuitive that there was not a single person here who openly accepted its validity.

This is a music site, primarily aimed at traditional folk and blues. Most people here would have, at best, only a passing interest in cosmology, if they have interest at all in the subject.

Can I ask you, Donuel, have any of your musings appeared in a reputable scientific publication where they have been subject to peer review and scrutiny by people who know what they are talking out?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 13 Mar 23 - 06:13 PM

.....talking about?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 23 - 09:00 PM

You can ask. Fame, money and being reknown are the farthest things from my desires. I tasted it but it was not to my liking. While independent, who is really alone in the age of the internet. Mostly I am delighted by surprise. In the language of Math, I am practically illiterate.

If you asked, not dealing with the pitfalls and challenges in a career environment is an advantage to freedom of thought.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 14 Mar 23 - 04:45 AM

I am fully expecting that one day you will tell us how you were looking up at the sky, wondering if a cow really could jump over the moon. You will then go on to claim that it was your theory that gave rise to the NASA programme which took Armstrong and Aldrin up there.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Rain Dog
Date: 14 Mar 23 - 05:17 AM

"If you asked, not dealing with the pitfalls and challenges in a career environment is an advantage to freedom of thought"

Indeed it is. Just ask Gary Lineker.
But then the disadvantage is that not many people will get to hear about those thoughts, apart from those few who read some posts on mudcat.

Is this the way to Amarillo?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 23 - 12:07 PM

I'm fine with that since the guy who makes the measurement is deserving of the discovery. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6YK03f_GRFA

As I predicted there are also far more black holes than was thought, there are 10,000 in the milky way alone.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 23 - 12:32 PM

A successful thought experiment is not a discovery. It is a clarifying opening chapter.

I have the puzzle of dark matter left which includes 'it not existing. to existing in negative mass' in unknown forms. Primordial Black Holes are another possibility unproven.

Symmetry will still be a property found in retrospect to the eventual answer.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 23 - 04:09 PM

Hathor jumping over the moon sounds like a legend Pharoh Hachepsup started or a practical joke by Tesla.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 14 Mar 23 - 06:34 PM

> .... if a cow really could jump over the moon ....

In a way, stories do lead to science. Humans told themselves and each other, and more importantly their children, stories about people walking on the Moon; if they hadn't, Mankind wouldn't have wanted to go there.

.... Apologies, but I can't find the relevant page numbers in The Science Of Discworld* for the above argument (or even whether it's Science Of Discworld II). Anyhoo, the relevant quote is: "We are pan narrans, the story-telling ape." We're being pulled into the future by our imaginations; the fun part is finding which part of the fantasy is actually practicable and useful. Tread carefully, show your workings, and make sure it's repeatable by others. Oh, and expect surprises.

* Stop laughing at the back there: Roundworld is us, and the science is real.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Mar 23 - 07:03 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Read Richard Dawkins' book The Magic of Reality. It's aimed at teenagers and young adults and it's expressed in a polar opposite way to Donuel's method, that is, it's clear, it's focused and everything is simply and straightforwardly given to us. Here's Dawkins' own introduction:

Magic is a slippery word: it is commonly used in three different ways, and the first thing I must do is distinguish between them. I'll call the first one 'supernatural magic', the second one 'stage magic' and the third one (which is my favourite meaning, and the one I intend in my title) 'poetic magic'. What I hope to show you in this book is that reality – the facts of the real world as understood through the methods of science – is magical in this third sense, the poetic sense, the good to be alive sense. In the rest of this book I want to show you that the real world, as understood scientifically, has magic of its own – the kind I call poetic magic: an inspiring beauty which is all the more magical because it is real and because we can understand how it works. Next to the true beauty and magic of the real world, supernatural spells and stage tricks seem cheap and tawdry by comparison. The magic of reality is neither supernatural nor a trick, but – quite simply – wonderful. Wonderful, and real. Wonderful because real.

Another contrast: Dawkins is believable. And a "scientist" who doesn't know how to communicate, and who is more interested in his own self-aggrandisement which he thinks he can achieve via obfuscation and twistery-mystery, is no scientist at all.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Mar 23 - 09:03 AM

https://qz.com/766831/star-trek-real-life-technology

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 23 - 08:20 PM

I have empathy for those who lash out at me. Whatever pain they have encountered and act out we probably have all faced at one time or another. I have no need to knock down the numerous strawmen created for me like the uncivil strawman or the special strawman or the stupid idiot strawman. I suppose I am uncivil to Nazis, but they are Nazis, still Mel Gibson is a good actor and director.

I didn't grow up in the seventies when kids got participation awards and were taught they were all special and entitled. In the 50's we were all little shits who had to obey the brass. Rebellion came later. If I go back 20, 40, or 60 years my world view would make me laugh today but change is hard and usually painful. There is only one certainty and that certainty is death. I highly recommend that you pick the problems that you enjoy because it can all be over in a second or worse yet in weeks of suffering. :-\

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Mar 23 - 09:06 PM

You see, nobody is "lashing out" at you. That's your perception, and that feeds into your need to be a professional victim. Dave, John and I have our differences, e.g., John is completely wrong about him and his dogs ;-) ;-) ;-) but we get on and very quickly get over any spats that we have (I love you, John, but never bring your curs to Bude, right?), and I can never forgive Dave about those bingo balls, but hey ho. What the average person here wants to see is you ditching the bullshit about what you see as the "vision" you have that we lack (not...) and for you to express yourself clearly and humbly and to stay within what is clearly your very limited knowledge zone. Any of the rest of us who step beyond that and get slapped down (summat that Nigel, bless 'im, is rather good at, as he did with me this very week) will quickly eat humble pie. But not you. You pretend that your bullshit was just humour after all, or, worse, that you're something of a persecuted visionary (gotta be those mushrooms...), or that you're a victim, a sort of prophet without honour on this website. Well you're no different from anyone else here, except that you have this weird mission to get us to swallow your obscurantist piffle. It's a shame really, but there you go.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Mar 23 - 03:03 AM

”I love you, John, but never bring your curs to Bude, right?”

Too late, Steve, way too late. And I left no evidence that we were there… ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 23 - 05:38 AM

Visionaries come and go.
There are things that you don't know.
When you see outside yourself,
things you thought are something else.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Mar 23 - 04:11 PM

Translator's note, please...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 12:57 PM

Visionaries come and go.
There are things that you don't know.
When you see outside yourself,
many things upon your shelf
Turn out to be something else,

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 01:36 PM

Gibberish.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 06:35 PM

An Amish farmer is walking through his field when he sees a guy drinking from his pond, scooping it up with his hand.

The farmer says, "Trinken sie nicht das wasser, die kuhe unddie schweine haben in ihm geschissen," ('Don't drink the water, the cows and the pigs shit in it'). The guy shouts back, "This is America! I don't understand your gibberish! Speak English, you moron!"

The farmer replies, "Use two hands, you'll get more."

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 23 - 07:21 PM

Yeah, right.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 08:59 AM

At the start of a successful business, there are many people who believe the venture is absolutely crazy, just like my Black Hole Theory. I remember when a number of people wanted to know in the most simple language possible what I was talking about. When I finally said out loud how Black Holes actually create more space from mass the sudden silence was deafening. It is now just as unbelievable as it was years ago but is finally catching on like wildfire,
Now that I have demonstrated the validity of this crazy idea it is not rational to deny it. That Steve wants to belittle the concept after a verifying measurement is practically pathological but has progressed from a child to poo beneath a shoe. To get a glimpse of the mystery of dark energy is a good example, as I have said, anyone can do what they set their mind to do when you love the exploration.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 10:20 AM

Dunno about belittling your "concept." You sure could do with belittling your ego.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 10:40 AM

"Now that I have demonstrated the validity of this crazy idea it is not rational to deny it." When and where have you done so? I'd like to read about it.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 11:22 AM

It's all here on mudcat in my narrative posts. I don't spam and show my creations visually since it was deemed spam like my Dolphin-headed cellos and devil-headed Steiner or rattlesnake violins when I linked them here 22 years ago. Original Cartoons were not denigrated as much as rhetoric so I went in that direction for a while.
When it comes to cosmology I never posted graphs or geometric relationships. Freedom of thought has changed my mind back and forth regarding a multiverse but at the end of the day the black hole surprise remained intact.

The earliest exploration involved six-dimensional models that were later abandoned. I even depicted a Klien bottle-shaped universe for fun. I now see a flat aspect to the universe, not to be confused with flat Earth. ;^/

I am just as surprised at the BH result as I was in Learning the Saint Saen's cello concerto over the summer practicing for hours in the milk house next to the barn on the farm.

I am slow. I am reminded of Vemeer who could only paint 2 pictures a year when he hurried.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 11:44 AM

Links out to projects are ok - many of us have Flickr or Photobucket or other sites to park photos. Or save them in Google or Microsoft folders to share.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 11:53 AM

You should put all your observations in one place for the benefit of the scientific community and all mankind.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 12:07 PM

Anyone else apart from Vermeer you'd like to align yourself with? Darwin? Einstein? Leonardo? Erik The Red?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 01:03 PM

Its been about a billion years since Venus had significant water, then the planet turned itself inside out on the surface by volcanic activity.
Now its drier than the driest dessert on Earth. The surface pressure is about the same as 2 miles beneath our oceans but boy is it hot from trapping solar heat. It is estimated the rate of volcanic activity on Venus now is nearly the same as Earth today.

Will Venus ever have its atmosphere distill out its sulfuric acid?
Probably not. Even a collision with a giant water comet will not help due to the heat.

I am not interested in leaving footprints in the sand. Nor do I desire leaving a rare fossilized footprint. Blogging exercises help thinking like talking to oneself. Its just not that important although I do wish the great library of Alexandria had not burned. Half of that stuff was probably nonsense that we see today on the web.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 01:14 PM

Inner space, outer space, and the immediate space around us are co-equal partners in 'time'.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 03:39 PM

You don't care to leave "footprints in the sand", Don, but you don't mind rattling on about your marvelous discovery without providing proof that you ever came up with anything. Sounds like so much B.S. to me.

---

This IS a BS thread . . . ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 23 - 03:49 PM

In time this too could be wrong but you won't hurt anything or undo what happened no matter what you believe. btw a milk house is where the milk is stored in an underground vessel, not where the cows were milked.
eeii eeii oh.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 23 - 09:43 AM

Theory that has been validated and has shown good predictive and explanatory power, one can try and extrapolate to everywhere. After all, often in science, the most we can do is to draw our best inferences about unknown instances based on a theory that works well in many known instances. And that is much better than making arbitrary claims or drawing no inference whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Mar 23 - 12:07 PM

"This IS a BS thread . . . ---mudelf"

So in this section the truth be damned and any kind bizarre fantasy goes, I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Mar 23 - 12:16 PM

any kind OF...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 23 - 07:24 PM

Your vengeful extreme right wing is showing.
Sure you hope to be vindictive but I know better.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Mar 23 - 07:30 PM

"Your vengeful extreme right wing is showing."

I think you need to explain this. I haven't picked up the slightest trace of that in gillymor's remarks.

Any slur will do, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 23 - 08:47 PM

the inner planets

don't mess with Texas

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 05:22 AM

We all find meaning in different things. Steve enjoys the good clean filth of simple jokes and a variety of food. I enjoy the brain and Black holes.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 05:55 AM

That makes sense because I've long suspected that your brain is a black hole.
Sorry, Don, I couldn't resist that one.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 06:22 AM

You don't know what kind of joke I enjoy because, as you've demonstrated, countless times, you don't know what a joke is. And stop saying vile things about people which you then try to laugh off with a stupid piece of whimsy. That is so transparent.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 07:23 AM

299 and I'm still non the wiser...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 23 - 07:28 AM

Non The Wiser sounds like a medieval king or warlord. Think Ethelred The Unready or Hagar The Horrible...