BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 08:03 AM

”I know you are trying to help, BWM, but there comes a time when it's best follow your own advice and ignore them both if they're squabbling like daft kids.”

You’re absolutely right, of course, Doug. There are people who are too ‘clever’ to be helped, and we have the perfect example here. Oh well, if they enjoy behaving like obsessive, needy fools, let ‘em have at it. I’ll stick with the grown-ups and Just. Ignore. Them. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 07:46 AM

As I have alluded to before my family is involved in NIH medical research.

Now back to space, We have just had quite a solar storm and the aurora borealis came all the way down to Michigan.
Here is a picture of Iceland's Henge...https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/2303/ArcticHenge_Letelier_1765.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 06:07 AM

That'll do nicely. At least you don't do that daft-bugger full-stop thing!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 06:00 AM

"Daft kids," Doug?

"silly buggers" if you prefer!

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 05:31 AM

"Daft kids," Doug? But out of the mouths of babes and sucklings...

(He ducks...)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 05:14 AM

Just. Ignore. Him.

I know you are trying to help, BWM, but there comes a time when it's best follow your own advice and ignore them both if they're squabbling like daft kids.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 04:30 AM

"Date: 26 Mar 23 - 08:46 AM"

Hope this helps.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Mar 23 - 02:43 AM

Steve, I haven’t a clue what you’re going on about with your “being aligned with the legendary troll…is not nice”. Nobody mentioned ‘the legendary troll’ except you. And you’re often ‘not nice’ on this forum, including on this thread - pot/kettle/black, methinks.

You seem to be losing your grip on reality. Perhaps it’s an effect of your dual obsessions with Donuel and canine toilet-habits?

Now, you didn’t get it the first time, I’ll give it to you again - Just. Ignore. Him.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 08:30 PM

I think we can all be glad that you're not involved in medical research. Now do go to bed. Have an early night, my dear fellow.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 08:23 PM

An example of keeping it simple in pure research is in the advancement of prosthetics that have a true sense of touch. The group had no idea if the electronic interface with the brain that would unnaturally stimulate hundreds of thousands of neurons that were not even receptors for touch would work. IT DID. The brain went ahead and figured it out.

My idea for MS treatment is also simple. Just add cloned synovial fluid to the spinal fluid and let the body add the extra sheathing that was missing for nerves.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 08:18 PM

Just go to bed. Eat (or inhale) mushrooms first if you like but I don't recommend it. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 07:54 PM

retreat to victimhood if you must. Trump makes a career of it.

My cello teacher convinced me that the Protestant work ethic is not meant for artists. While never a superstar and quite average I am satisfied with my different path. Doing what you love most of the time is rewarding.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 06:36 PM

You're sidelined, Donuel. Sorry, mate, but you can't cut it with real-life, sane people. Go off and have a good think. And please stop thinking that you can get away with your horrible slurs and insults by quickly posting a nicey-nicey post or two. So transparent, old boy. Have an early night is my advice.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 05:23 PM

Staying on or near topic is now bad when I do it?
How about we both have a POV but never the twain shall meet?
It is not a competition so let our respect survive our differences.
It is for a short time in the grand scheme.

For example, I do respect your strengths. Let me have mine.

As seen from satellites the UAP max speed has been nearly Mach 60.
Relativistic speeds can be projected with more time.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 04:30 PM

Well yes, John (and please stop.doing.that.daft.full.stop.thing.between.words! You may be a lot of things but you're no Maggie!), but being aligned with the legendary troll (whose predations passed me by as it happens) is not nice. It's a bit like me calling your dogs a bunch of filthy parasitic arseholes...? ;-)

Cheers from Steve, the catman... XXX

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 04:16 PM

I did try to tell you on the ‘US/Russia/China war’ thread Steve but, as ever, you were too ‘clever’ to listen to sage advice. It’s really simple, even for a ‘clever’ bloke like you - Just. Ignore. Him.

Or don’t, I really don’t give a FF.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 04:06 PM

You're not wrong, Charmion. I really should know better than to:respond to a brain-dead, bumptious, braggadocio-replete buffoon.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Charmion
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 02:35 PM

Geez Louise, you fellas are still at it, hammer and tongs!

I think I'll return to whatever I was doing.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 12:13 PM

What an utter disgrace you are, you nasty little man. Only an idiot thinks he can get away with crude insults by quickly talking past them. Find yourself a hole to crawl into.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 11:16 AM

I have never seen an octagonal object at 20,000 ft.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/ufo-object-balloon-shot-down.html
I wonder what the other 2 looked like.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 09:55 AM

The luminosity of UAPs is also a clue. It is obviously not LED or Halogen light. In some cases, it seems like ionized air and in other cases, it looks like intense laser radiation.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 09:42 AM

Sometimes I respond to a lie but we call it giving better than we get. You only embarrass yourself with your harassment, bile and invectives. While having a useful idiot to compare and contrast my truthfulness is sometimes handy, your constant automaton behavior is getting old, and I daresay senile. You have no scientific contribution of your own which is not uncommon for a true scientist. The cliche' about an old dog and new tricks comes to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 09:20 AM

"Steve is a better blue-ribbon liar than Martin Gibson."

I must say, you have a bloody nerve accusing me of ad hominems when you come out with vile trash like this.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 09:02 AM

The budget for the NIH is over 51 billion dollars.
I do not know Steve's budget.

Robots in the sky? There could be AI entities. But there also could be an inertia-free field generated around the physical craft, or even a time distortion factor we do not realize.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 08:46 AM

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7514271/


The National Institutes of Health in cooperation with PCM (our foremost biomedical and scientific research lab) There is no better blue ribbon scientific research institute in the US.

I am not allowed to link to classified information from Bigalow Industries. Steve is a better blue-ribbon liar than Martin Gibson.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Mar 23 - 12:55 AM

Donuel: "Going between Mach 5 and MACH 20 IT CAN TURN so rapidly that organic life would be crushed."

I often wonder whether any 'beings' inside these crafts may be programmed robots.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 07:44 PM

Supported by the US government, eh? Which government departments, pray tell? Does Joe Biden know about this?   :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 05:41 PM

As one can see it is supported by the US government.

Other clues include no sonic boom, when very close one can feel a very low-frequency hum, the required power can be deduced by the rate of acceleration even if its mass is not precisely known.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 05:23 PM

Your 03.58 post is unconnected and meaningless. As for your last post, I never click on unsupported links. I did that once with one of yours and bitterly regretted it.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 04:19 PM

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7514271/

more obfuscation for Steve?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 03:58 PM

Old news and ignorance are boring.
Going between Mach 5 and MACH 20 IT CAN TURN so rapidly that organic life would be crushed. It can proceed underwater without being slowed.
These are clues as to what forces it is avoiding or overcoming.I can list more clues if seeking understanding is the point.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 03:29 PM

"UAP"? Don't you bloody start as well. I had to look that up. It's bad enough with him and his obfuscations!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Rain Dog
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 02:13 PM

So you made the figure up.

"It is an international phenomenon for over a thousand years."

Well this is not quite what it seems. UAPs have been seen for a large number of years. Of course what might be an UAP to one viewer, could well be the planet Venus to another and identified as such. UAP no longer.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 01:41 PM

It is an international phenomenon for over a thousand years.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 01:30 PM

Oh God, don't ask...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Rain Dog
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 01:25 PM

"There is also a debt of gratitude to the many millions of global eye witnesses."

Millions? Where have you plucked that figure from?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 12:22 PM

Well I don't possess precognition, same as everyone else, but I can certainly predict when you're going to say something daft. I never quite know what it'll be, but there's much fun to be had in the anticipation.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 12:17 PM

Savvy folks will understand what makes the most successful CEOS.
They know in the game of musical chairs where the available seats are and can anticipate when the music is about to stop. Some might call that ability as being prescient, no matter how they do it, That small advantage of getting ahead of the problem is invaluable.

Some got it and some don't. You Steve definitely don't have it.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 11:41 AM

Senator Harry Reid was a courageous investigator in UFOs although his demeanor was milk toast. Louise was a brave journalist who died of Covid and Allan Hynek died of the same kind of brain cancer as Bob Marley. I honor their contribution and are part of my motivation to carry on their discoveries. They were selfless and approachable. There is also a debt of gratitude to the many millions of global eye witnesses.

We all have different motivations.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 10:25 AM

Also Sprach Donuel Rumsfeld... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 10:22 AM

Visionaries come and go.
There are things that you don't know.
When you see outside yourself,
the many things upon your shelf
Turn out to be something else,

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 10:20 AM

So saying that you can't talk sense to a drunk (meaning me, a never-drunk!) isn't an ad hominem? I think you need a better dictionary, fella!

It's a bit like asking people who proclaim God's existence for evidence. That's not denial - that's asking for evidence. Let my speech be yea yea, nay nay... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 10:00 AM

The radical turn about regarding SMBH action upon space itself is a big deal but has its problems that will need refinement. That being said arriving tangentially at this conclusion can be done with correlation (my method involved the comparable increase in BH formation and universal expansion over 14 billion years) or by mathematical measurement of BH themselves as done by the Univerity of Hawaii.

Denials are an easy lie Steve employs constantly without evidence and are a troll's second most popular behavior. Ad Hominum attacks are #1.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 09:45 AM

Well that was clear as mud. It's Clarke, by the way.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 09:34 AM

I will go one step further than Arthur C Clark and say there is the technology that not merely seems like magic but there is the existence of a means so that there is no confinement or safe that would disallow entry. For the human species this would be anathema given our criminal proclivities.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 09:13 AM

You slur, you lose. Have you heard that one before? As I type this it's lunchtime, six hours before I'd even think of digging out the corkscrew, old chap.

Bad science is predicated on partial, dishonest or uncorroborated evidence. For thousands of years the sun went round the earth, eclipses were caused by monsters biting a chunk out of the sun, and Isaac Newton, in his time, practised alchemy. The good-evidence test failed all who adhered to these notions. No-one, on the other hand, has said that it's wrong to chase up a new hypothesis or quietly connect your findings to come up with a new notion. On that foundation is good science built. Another foundation stone of good science is the ability to communicate ideas simply and clearly to others. So far, you've told us what YOU think about black holes and the state of the universe, etc. What you have not told is where your evidence is. Forgive us for concluding that you've scarcely penetrated beyond the bounds of a fertile imagination at best and fantasy at worst. And don't get me started on that communicating thang...

Off to Morrisons now. I need eggs and spuds to fill the black hole in my larder. I suppose you recommend that I take a breath test before getting in my car.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 09:08 AM

Complicated by the cold war and misinformation, the Orwellian question of do you 'believe' in UFOs was the norm. Belief implied a religious faith. I never believed in UFO's, I just went with the evidence in hand.
Some said they did not exist and I said they did. Today we are beyond that issue.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 08:01 AM

Impuning my integrity and preaching 'there is only one way' is the language of extremists. Discovery is a win win not a good guy bad guy confrontation. Galileo really" Lighten up. I know your pastime is closing threads with your threats or choice of words.
They say you can't talk sense to a drunk.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 05:40 AM

..."controversial exploration does not harm science"

It didn't do Galileo much good. If you're trying to say that bad science is harmless then I'm not with you. Adherence to the scientific process by people of integrity is the only safe way forward.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Rain Dog
Date: 25 Mar 23 - 04:34 AM

Value your local postie while you still have one. They are an endangered species nowadays, thanks to the company that employs them.