BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Mar 23 - 07:03 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Read Richard Dawkins' book The Magic of Reality. It's aimed at teenagers and young adults and it's expressed in a polar opposite way to Donuel's method, that is, it's clear, it's focused and everything is simply and straightforwardly given to us. Here's Dawkins' own introduction:

Magic is a slippery word: it is commonly used in three different ways, and the first thing I must do is distinguish between them. I'll call the first one 'supernatural magic', the second one 'stage magic' and the third one (which is my favourite meaning, and the one I intend in my title) 'poetic magic'. What I hope to show you in this book is that reality – the facts of the real world as understood through the methods of science – is magical in this third sense, the poetic sense, the good to be alive sense. In the rest of this book I want to show you that the real world, as understood scientifically, has magic of its own – the kind I call poetic magic: an inspiring beauty which is all the more magical because it is real and because we can understand how it works. Next to the true beauty and magic of the real world, supernatural spells and stage tricks seem cheap and tawdry by comparison. The magic of reality is neither supernatural nor a trick, but – quite simply – wonderful. Wonderful, and real. Wonderful because real.

Another contrast: Dawkins is believable. And a "scientist" who doesn't know how to communicate, and who is more interested in his own self-aggrandisement which he thinks he can achieve via obfuscation and twistery-mystery, is no scientist at all.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 14 Mar 23 - 06:34 PM

> .... if a cow really could jump over the moon ....

In a way, stories do lead to science. Humans told themselves and each other, and more importantly their children, stories about people walking on the Moon; if they hadn't, Mankind wouldn't have wanted to go there.

.... Apologies, but I can't find the relevant page numbers in The Science Of Discworld* for the above argument (or even whether it's Science Of Discworld II). Anyhoo, the relevant quote is: "We are pan narrans, the story-telling ape." We're being pulled into the future by our imaginations; the fun part is finding which part of the fantasy is actually practicable and useful. Tread carefully, show your workings, and make sure it's repeatable by others. Oh, and expect surprises.

* Stop laughing at the back there: Roundworld is us, and the science is real.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 23 - 04:09 PM

Hathor jumping over the moon sounds like a legend Pharoh Hachepsup started or a practical joke by Tesla.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 23 - 12:32 PM

A successful thought experiment is not a discovery. It is a clarifying opening chapter.

I have the puzzle of dark matter left which includes 'it not existing. to existing in negative mass' in unknown forms. Primordial Black Holes are another possibility unproven.

Symmetry will still be a property found in retrospect to the eventual answer.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 23 - 12:07 PM

I'm fine with that since the guy who makes the measurement is deserving of the discovery. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6YK03f_GRFA

As I predicted there are also far more black holes than was thought, there are 10,000 in the milky way alone.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Rain Dog
Date: 14 Mar 23 - 05:17 AM

"If you asked, not dealing with the pitfalls and challenges in a career environment is an advantage to freedom of thought"

Indeed it is. Just ask Gary Lineker.
But then the disadvantage is that not many people will get to hear about those thoughts, apart from those few who read some posts on mudcat.

Is this the way to Amarillo?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 14 Mar 23 - 04:45 AM

I am fully expecting that one day you will tell us how you were looking up at the sky, wondering if a cow really could jump over the moon. You will then go on to claim that it was your theory that gave rise to the NASA programme which took Armstrong and Aldrin up there.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 23 - 09:00 PM

You can ask. Fame, money and being reknown are the farthest things from my desires. I tasted it but it was not to my liking. While independent, who is really alone in the age of the internet. Mostly I am delighted by surprise. In the language of Math, I am practically illiterate.

If you asked, not dealing with the pitfalls and challenges in a career environment is an advantage to freedom of thought.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 13 Mar 23 - 06:13 PM

.....talking about?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 13 Mar 23 - 10:43 AM

My black hole theory that now is about to revolutionize all of cosmology was so unintuitive that there was not a single person here who openly accepted its validity.

This is a music site, primarily aimed at traditional folk and blues. Most people here would have, at best, only a passing interest in cosmology, if they have interest at all in the subject.

Can I ask you, Donuel, have any of your musings appeared in a reputable scientific publication where they have been subject to peer review and scrutiny by people who know what they are talking out?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 23 - 06:52 AM

What is large is the time I devoted to this example of problem solving by other means. What is unique is how I posted every step along the way over 15 years or more by setting thoughts free to roam into an entirely unknown realm. I'm surprised your harumph did't take the form of ("anything interesting is certainly wrong".
Different people celebrate different things,

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 23 - 04:21 PM

You've got an ego bigger than my arse, that's for sure.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Mar 23 - 03:11 PM

My black hole theory that now is about to revolutionize all of cosmology was so unintuitive that there was not a single person here who openly accepted its validity. Actually, Amos was the only person who did make a constructive comment regarding my cosmic pursuit. Only because of a recent observation of new SMBH growth has this confirmation happened in my lifetime. This hole in one is my one trick pony cosmically speaking.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Mar 23 - 10:09 PM

I just finished hearing Science Friday on NPR about the 'new' black hole dark matter connection. To be fair they missed 2 essential points. One being that the recent Nobel Prize winner Roger Penrose has demonstrated how Black holes go beyond turning mass into energy and can actually transmute mass-energy into space energy. Second, They missed the correlation between an increase in black holes and an increase in the acceleration of more space.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Mar 23 - 08:27 PM

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/243114/scientists-find-first-evidence-that-black/

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Mar 23 - 08:22 PM

I first noticed a relationship between the acceleration rate and black hole increase in the universe and went from there. Kinda obvious now.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Mar 23 - 08:15 PM

About 15 years ago I started carrying on about black holes and that they seem to transmute mass into space, well...

WOO HOO! It is becoming an accepted paradigm that I now hear reported on NPR and my other haunts.

I never claimed to know the mechanism that delivers more space into space from inside a black hole which would account for dark energy and the acceleration of the expansion of the universe - BUT - I HAVE GOTTEN IT HALF RIGHT.

This process is not as secure as general relativity but it is finally on the lips of those in the know.15 years ago I could only find one guy in NZ who had similar insight - now its everywhere you look..
https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2023/02/19/are-black-holes-the-source-of-dark-energy/#:~:text=Black%20holes%20are%20the%20source,e

I am glad I persevered in this long time conundrum.

Well there is still the mystery of dark matter. Before you say 'even a blind squirrel can find a nut', Remember If I can hit a target with spacial thought so can nearly everyone.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 10 Mar 23 - 06:29 AM

> I wonder how big a headstone should be required to show Schwartchilds
> equations.

Depends whether the stonemason has a chisel that can do Flyspeck Three.

> Even a neutron is not infallible, it too will decay.

.... in about fifteen minutes when free, which is why they hide in nuclei. Protons are rather longer-lived (half-life at least 1.67×10³⁴ years, quoth Wikipedia, but for some reason proton decay's not yet been observed).

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Mar 23 - 08:34 PM

I only know two people who have equations on their headstones. Newton and Maxwell. Today they are approximations set in stone. I wonder how big a headstone should be required to show Schwartchilds equations. Simplicity often seems to be at the heart of some things. Even a neutron is not infallible, it too will decay.
Now is the most wonderful time to be an astrophysicist. In 1920 it took a hundred years to sort out the new concept of general relativity; Today we have some faster shortcuts. In fact, new science is less focused on equations and more reliant on programs, algorithms, and geometry.
Current String Theory is a stepping stone that unites relativity and Quantum and gravity consistently. Eventually, we will be less wrong and more right as we go along.
The simplicity expressed everywhere in the universe seems to be symmetry and dualism. When intuition plays in this field of symmetry success is surprisingly correct or beautiful. It was Dirac who made equations that predicted anti-matter and negative energy.


Even visualizing extra dimensions gets easy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgymNImxgaU

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Mar 23 - 04:19 PM

Well there's a surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Mar 23 - 03:31 PM

There has been a reversal of the theory of axions being the building blocks of dark matter and going back to the notion that primordial black holes being the stuff of dark matter. The other mystery of dark energy pushing the universe outward is also black hole related. I say black holes can transmute mass into space but the consensus is that black holes can have a repellant effect. I prefer my idea.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 23 - 06:09 PM

Beware of hair stylists named Delilah,

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Mar 23 - 11:45 AM

Dunno, but as I've always really fancied Carey Mulligan can I be Gabriel??

(Go on - he can be Bathsheba - being a big girl's blouse he already halfway there, and Carey will have a bit of spare time...)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Rain Dog
Date: 06 Mar 23 - 11:16 AM

Gabriel and Bathsheba or is it Bathsheba and Gabriel?

I think we should be told.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 23 - 09:51 AM

':^/

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 23 - 09:56 AM

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 23 - 09:47 AM

whinge whinge whinge and do nothing except condemn and extort.
You are speaking from the corner of ignorance and no experience.
Ya know, grand old dinosaurs like you are usually old cops and Fox watchers over here. You obey orders without knowing why and your eyes are soaked in prejudice. To think yourself a liberal is a delusion.

Grand Old Dinosaurs think they are GOD.
An asteroid proved them wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 23 - 07:43 AM

Promoting illegal drugs is doing nothing for mental health and everything for mental ill-health. Promoting research into novel substances, derived from plants and purified so as to be available in properly measured and trialled doses which may eventually prove to be efficacious is the only way forward. You're rather lucky that you don't live in a country in which you'd be arrested for posting about magic mushrooms the way you do.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 23 - 06:56 AM

MaJoC the Filk, I agree. I believe infallibility does not exist,
not even on the fundamental Planck scale.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 23 - 05:53 AM

Promoting mental health is far more responsible than whinging about it and doing nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 11:27 AM

Responsibility means not promoting illegal substances on a public website. I can't keep it much simpler than that.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 11:05 AM

> I prefer freedom.

Freedom includes the freedom to get it wrong, for unbounded values of "it". Responsibility is exercising the freedom to carry the can afterwards.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 10:21 AM

I can't be the only one who noticed you are obsessive about control.
Its a good thing you are not in Big Pharma or the government.

Oregon has compromised and only allows legal ingestion of MM with the assistance of trained medical staff.

I prefer freedom.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 09:52 AM

Besides, if your Kingdom had not reformed laws you would have been executed for treason regarding any number of your posts. My ancestors were not cowards nor am I.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 09:19 AM

Nixon was not the Pope and got some things wrong on his schedule 1 drug list.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 09:04 AM

The fact is that you are advocating the use of a substance that in many administrations is illegal to possess and/or use.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 06:27 AM

Novices could google 'How to Change Your Mind'.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 06:23 AM

No, I just want to say that the only responsible approach to taking this as a medicine is after the active ingredient has been purified and trialled extensively in controlled doses. I'm all for it. That is the very opposite of what you persistently advocate, in your anarchic hippies-sixties style.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 06:17 AM

I have never discussed dosage before however safe and effective amounts range from micro-dosing to heroic levels. I am in good company as an advocate,
All the studies you claim have not been done, have been done over the last 50 years.
It has been 30 years since my last encounter with magic mushrooms.
Perhaps you want to claim it is addictive.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 23 - 05:57 AM

Excellent. That's good, safe science, the very opposite of "Eat these! I've seen how much good they've done for some of my mates!"

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Helen
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 09:31 PM

'Magic mushroom' trial in WA could be the key to treating depression

Virtual reality plus psychedelics are being trialled in therapy. Are they effective?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 08:34 PM

You seriously need to stop pushing magic mushrooms. Your incredibly slack and irresponsible approach to this is astounding. Consuming the actual fungi means that you have no idea of the quantity of active ingredient you're taking in: the fungi contain highly variable amounts of psilocybin, even within the same species, and consuming the mushrooms in uncontrolled and unmeasured quantities simply adds to the slapdash and risky nature of the approach. It would be unobjectionable to discuss clinical trials of purified extracts of the drug, but no, with you it's always the mushrooms you advocate. And that doesn't begin to address the legality or otherwise of the thing you're so keen to promote. Your observations of the effects are not derived from properly controlled, large-scale trials, which is the only correct and responsible way of researching such things. I wouldn't be so unscientific as to suggest that if you indulge as much as you advocate, it could explain quite a lot, so I won't.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 07:13 PM

The unexamined life is not worth living. - Socrates

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 07:03 PM

Of course medicine can shorten the process of mental health healing.
As I have said before magic mushrooms often aid with flexibility in thinking. The 'what if' experience is an indication of a more open mind.

It treats alcoholism, OCD, PTSD and as I have seen, far more beyond the scope of mere disorders. It is not without side effects, I have seen some people vomit. A good intent is also beneficial. It has a candy coating of being an overall pleasant and joyous experience unlike ayahuasca or other visionary experiences that are more disorienting.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 05:50 PM

One hears about the needs of mental health but it has become obscenely difficult. Then the help available is often formulaic and within the confines of insurance limitations. If the experience is real human interaction you are probably on the right track.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 02:09 PM

We are a rational species but emotions can trump logic and leave people swimming in a toxic soup of feelings and beliefs. One of the things I have seen the most is how people can be dragged down by their feelings in a feedback loop of destruction.

Breaking that cycle with a simple application of levity or good feelings was my job for more than a decade. It sounds simple but it is a cooperative experience and people are different.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 01:49 PM

We all have a choice to nuture envy and the malevolent wrongs that were done to us but it leads to more destruction. Nurturing the positive like gratitude or humility leads to growth. How many different ways have you heard the same thing?

Envy writ large is malignant narcissism. The overwhelming majority of social destruction is carried out by narcissists not psychopaths. Another misconception is that narcissists don't care about other people. If anything they care too much in comparison to themselves.

These are not black or white issues but contain plenty of grey areas.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 01:03 PM

One can see a Napolean complex in Putin as well as a loss of empire in his lifetime. His background is solely counterintelligence and belittling his perceived enemy. He will never admit to envy.
So you may also begin to see evil as a response to envy and feelings of poor self-worth.

A healthy feeling of self worth is a potential for achievement in thoughts and deeds. The mere conscious mind fooling itself with delusions of grandeur is unhealthy. The unhealthy expression of envy has been seen in the personalities of serial killers to politicians.
The other route to evil is the psychopath devoid of empathy.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 12:52 PM

Keep digging.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 23 - 12:42 PM

When Hitler was told in childhood he was not good enough and later Jewish art instructors and collectors told him he was not good enough he had to blame others and eventually carried out his evil based on envy and revenge.

This is a recurring theme with Trump and I suspect mass shooters.