BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 18 Sep 23 - 07:53 AM

> Can you locate hell for us, have you any evidence of the changing
> temperatures there, if you can locate it.

* An article exists somewhere-or-other, and in various mutant forms, on a thermodynamics essay on "Deduce the temperature of Hell from first principles". The NSFW coda is a late addition.

* Satre: "Hell is other people." There's a related Asimov short story. Deducing the location and temperature is left as an exercise.

* My own contribution: it's the temperature of a barn dance at a hillbilly music festival on a summer's evening. The music I can tolerate, but I've got three left feet.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 11:28 AM

Side thought: Perhaps the older stigmatisation of UFO sightings was a cover. Some of those unidentified objects were spy planes or other secret craft .... and not all of them were from Our Side. (It's an old trick. I remember hearing that the persistent rumour that eating carrots helps you see at night was started in WW2 to cover the existence of plane-mounted radar.)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 12:39 PM

Just heard (on More Or Less, on Radio 4): The Grauniad lived down to its reputation the other day, du grosse. In an article about the Sun, they said it consists of about 1057 atoms; the number should have been 10⁵⁷, which is 54 orders of magnitude larger. Moral: Make things (in this case, formatting) as simple as possible, *but no simpler*.

PS: If this is deemed to be better suited for the Jokes thread, please move it.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 05:47 AM

> Is this thread about science or politics?

Yes.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 29 Aug 23 - 03:06 PM

> Felis catus [...] Normal people go with house cat.

I prefer Moggus domesticus, so ner. More over in the proper thread.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stanron
Date: 13 Sep 23 - 01:20 PM

Well gillymor, how about

win, win, win, watch out for that gate?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Stanron
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 09:28 AM

Sentience is a funny thing. We assess sentience through communication. If we can't have or observe communication we assume no sentience. Could this be wrong?

A tree with a lifespan of hundreds of years might communicate at a far different rate and in a far different manner than us. A tree might be sentient and we are just too dumb to notice.

And if a tree could be sentient, what about the planet? What about the universe. If the planet is an aware being, are we like fleas or lice on us? Or perhaps more like bacteria or a virus. Maybe the planet is heating up like us having a fever to rid of an irritant.

Just a different take on global warming.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Sep 23 - 07:50 AM

Asking you to take responsibility for your posts is neither hooliganism nor trolling. The closest to trolling here, though not quite there, is someone with nothing to say accusing us of "bickering."

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Sep 23 - 06:59 AM

I thought you were supposed to be a psychologist. That link is completely irrelevant. Now answer Raggytash or just promise us that you'll never post throwaway bullshit ever again, toe-rag. Speaking of irrelevance, there's nothing "scatalogical" about calling you a shit.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Sep 23 - 07:20 PM

Just knock it off, you little shit, and answer Raggytash, why don't you.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 07:57 PM

Grrr. Damned rogue apostrophe's...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 07:02 PM

I know Vulcano well. We've been to the summit (it's about 1600 feet) and we've relaxed by its famous, stinking mud pool, declining to enter it, unlike lots of other people there. There is much sulphurous effusion going on at the top. Fumaroles and stuff. Scary in several places. It's been out of bounds for several years due to increased volcanic activity. It's last eruption was in the late 1880s and it was quite devastating. Try to ascend it and you could be fined €500. There's a lot going on round there on land and at sea, most of it excitingly smelly. It doesn't have a great reputation as a good place for a holiday. You can see Stromboli from the summit and the view is glorious. We stayed on the next-door island of Lipari. Quite a lot of the film Il Postino was made on Salina, another close-by island, which produces the best capers in the world. Go and have a look, and don't let the microbes bite you. Another volcano famous for a microbe is La Solfatara at Pozzuoli, near Naples. Geysers, hot springs and hot mud pools are fertile ground for looking for thermophilic bacteria, and one was discovered new to science at Solfatara. I've been there too and it's mightily impressive with its bubbling mud, hot ground and fierce fumaroles. You can't go there any more either, following a tragic accident there in 2017 in which a young boy and his parents died after an unfenced part of the crater floor collapsed. Solfatara is in the large caldera called the Campi Flegrei, or the Fiery Fields, just a few miles from Naples and Vesuvius (been up there too!). It's a supervolcano that's been on high alert for several years following an increase in ground uplift and other seismic activity.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 02:39 PM

Don... Don...

Donald Trump, Dave?

Mind you, don't know about Trump and the science bit....Let me think who else might fit the bill...

Oh, wait...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 12:45 PM

Examples of such people, please, unless your courage has deserted you again...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Sep 23 - 08:58 PM

Absolutely not an answer to the question I asked.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Sep 23 - 07:57 PM

Then do describe it for us.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 07:06 PM

Hell will freeze over first.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 02:18 PM

You certainly don't listen. Especially when you are told to check your facts before posting.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 07:34 PM

You are lying and you are talking bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 05:11 PM

Well I knew you wouldn't like it. As far as I can glean here, the only active mod is Maggie. I have had many a spat with her, but at the end of the day it's not my gig. She has my respect and I think she knows it, in spite of everything. Yes you are whingeing about a couple of deleted posts. I could multiply that by a hundred times in my case if I wanted to play the victim. At the end of the day the best thing to do is to suck it up and the worst thing you can do is to accuse her of double standards when she has to deal with a troublesome bunch of buggers. It's not real life and it's not your gig. Move on.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 04:32 PM

Why are you whingeing about a couple of deleted posts, John? Hundreds of my posts get deleted but I generally whinge only when some other git's equally bad, or worse, posts are left in place. My whinge-to-delete quotient is tiny compared to yours. Suck it up.

And this cobblers:

"Yet you two, with occasional contributions from others, have been continually kicking lumps out of each other since post #3 on 5th January, without any action, or even comment, from ‘Da Management’."

So you want to equate me with that charlatan. With the bloke who posts total bollocks about anything and everything, who never checks his facts. How ironic that you sit back in judgement just like a bad mod, and, in the same post, whinge about a mod who's doing her best, right or wrong. You wouldn't like it if I equated you, a good dog owner, with the people who own XL bullies. So kindly do not equate me with him. I want him to stop posting bollocks all the time, that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 05:47 AM

Sometimes, people who are "as good as dead" are curious enough to investigate things, make connections, look things up, check their facts and get things right. There's joy in all those endeavours that you have yet to find, old son. There's no joy in casually posting half-baked, half-remembered and downright inaccurate guff, especially coming from someone who makes the specious claim that he's "a fan of science."

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 08:32 PM

Donuel's "quote": "Curiosity should begin at birth and never end until death"
Quote Albert Einstien [sic]

The true quote: "Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death."

There ya go, chaps and chapesses. His "quote" isn't actually a quote at all. It's half-remembered nonsense that he casually chucks at us. He is so full of his self-regard that he insults us by posting rubbish that he can't be bothered to check, thinking we won't notice. "Fan of science," eh?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 07:35 PM

The UFO bullshit that you've been propagating so enthusiastically has been dissed by NASA, admittedly a bit more diplomatically than I've done here. Stick to science is NASA's story. Take the hint.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 07:31 PM

You don't give a **** for the truth, that's for sure. You are taking the piss out of everyone who reads your posts.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 06:02 PM

You lied. You made it up.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 05:06 PM

Full quote my arse. What you posted wasn't even a part of the quote. At least you've looked it up now. Pity you didn't do that before you posted your nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 05:03 PM

Here's an Einstein QUOTE:

"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed."

Any idea why I put the word QUOTE in capitals, Donuel? Any idea why your Einstein QUOTE is not a QUOTE at all? Shall I tell you why? Because when you QUOTE someone you use their exact words. And why is it that whenever I'm piqued to check up on something you've said, I find that it's wrong?

Busted, can't be trusted...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 03:09 PM

Einstein did not make that quote. More made-up shite.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Sep 23 - 12:04 PM

No you were not.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Sep 23 - 10:39 AM

But some of us are already in the habit of not believing anything you say! Tricky...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Sep 23 - 04:02 AM

Get your quote right, Shaw: "Will this wind be so mighty as to lay low the mountains of the earrrrth?"

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Sep 23 - 03:34 AM

And the Achilles tendon is not your ankle bones. As for the rest of your predictive powers, o special one, go and have that lie down I suggested.

"Will this wind lay low the mountains of the earrrrrth?"

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 23 - 08:18 PM

You're so utterly obsessed with Trump to the extent that you clearly love him. When you write the kind of garbage you wrote two posts ago you are taking sideswipes whilst lacking the courage to address your points directly to the person you're referring to, as if we didn't already know. That makes you a coward.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 23 - 07:57 PM

Why not go for a nice lie down.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 23 - 01:44 PM

It won't happen. It's a mere irritant.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 23 - 05:02 AM

"I am a science fan"

This belongs in the joke thread, surely.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 01:28 PM

And quinoa is not "beans." Next...

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 01:25 PM

You rattled on more than once about "free-floating," which doesn't happen. Your last attempt is the first time you mentioned the fimbriae guiding the oocyte into the fallopian tube, a crucial part of events and the opposite of "free-floating." You failed to mention the main mechanism by which the egg is transported along the tube. You stated in effect that it's the follicle that escapes from the ovary, which showed that you didn't know what the follicle is. You then referred to the oocyte as a "vesicle," which is simply risible. Your errors were nothing to do with "leaving out enormous amounts of data" and everything to do with your highly-imperfect understanding of the process you were pontificating about. About eight or ten minutes looking it up on wiki would have remedied all of it for you, but, as ever, you just fire proudly off as if you're the expert. You latest additions are entertaining if nothing else, and now you're moving into areas sexual such as masturbation, how pleasure declines with age, the tale of the hymen (note spelling...) and suspected non-virginity, etc. I can't wait for the next instalment. Maybe it will be your imperfectly-remembered chunks of the Kama Sutra that will be so badly-described that anyone trying them out will dislocate every joint in their body. Pass the mushrooms!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 09:09 AM

"I will remain predictive, up to date and sometimes whimsical in the nature of my interests. And usually wrong." That's what your self-aggrandising statement should have gone on to say.

There is no virtue in being wrong all the time, then dressing up your wrongness in bogus claims of what a great imagination you have, etc. The virtue lies in spending a little time checking your facts before posting, and typing in clear, simple English. Good scientists don't just sit at home having a big think. They also endeavour to communicate their knowledge as clearly as possible to others. Apart from the facts that you are not a good scientist and that you're a useless communicator, you're fine.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 07:50 PM

I'm a very happy chap, as anyone who knows me would attest. It ill-behoves you to comment on my general demeanour as you have never met me in person. I wouldn't comment on yours for the same reason, though I would muse on the fact that some of the happiest people I know are also the stupidest. When I can be arsed to examine the assertions you make on this forum, I find that you peddle misinformation as a matter of routine. In a recent example I found that almost every assertion you made about ovulation was completely wrong, not just slightly in error, and I've done the donkey work in exposing that and correcting you. Much of what you post here is ostensibly about science. But, you see, science is there to advance human understanding of the world, the universe and the laws of nature. Almost all of what you post is either speculative, whimsical, half-baked, overly-simplistic, unchecked or just downright misunderstood. Well in science that simply won't do. When you post your abundant inaccuracies you claim that it doesn't matter because, variously, you claim to be a man of ideas, ultra-imaginative, some kind of free thinking visionary, when all the time we can see that you're just a bloody clot. In addition, you are completely useless when it comes to clearly communicating whatever it is you're trying to tell us. You appear to revel in whimsy and obscurantism, perhaps thinking that it marks you out as some kind of floating-over-the-rest-of-us guru. Well you're just not. Basically, you're a fraud, you've be been called out several times each at least by gilly, Raggytash, Backwoodsman, Dave, Ebbie, Joe and others, apart from yours truly. As we saw on the Trump thread, you have an arch-protector in high places. I'd say, don't let that go to your head. Instead, let's post to threads like this only after checking our facts first, and let's try to understand that science is there to wonderfully extend our understanding of the universe via baby steps, not via wild-west flights of whimsy.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 02:58 PM

He doesn't actually make things up as such. He thinks he's read something somewhere, he issues us with a garbled and simplistic version of it and confidently asserts misinformation arising from his lack of comprehension. When he's found out he gives us a load of flannel about his imagination or ideas or his bogus prophetic skills or something. There's a very simple solution (isn't that supposed to be the spirit of the thread?): check your facts before posting. Almost everything he said about ovulation was incorrect. He hadn't checked. I did the checking and found out what he should have found out for himself, that his initial ideas were near-garbage. He's just posted some bollix about orgasms. I know it's bollix but I haven't got the energy to check. I've been up since the crack of doom, have travelled for four hours by road to and from airports and endured a hot, sweaty delayed flight from Málaga, including mucho hanging about standing up in boiling airports. I'm knackered, and that's a real fact!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 04:20 AM

"Once captured by the fallopian structure the free-floating stage of the follicle is over."

Well there's no free-floating, of course, and the thing that leaves the ovary is not a "follicle." The follicle stays put in the ovary.

"If you did a search they go so far as to say the vesicle free floats in the abdominal cavity."

The thing that leaves the ovary that's guided into the fallopian tube is not a "vesicle."

By all means skip over my posts, folks. If you do, pure fiction will prevail! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Sep 23 - 04:21 PM

I'm not "quibbling" about anything. I'm giving you the unalloyed facts. You were plain wrong, simple as that.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Sep 23 - 03:11 PM

Absolute rubbish, as ever.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Sep 23 - 10:11 AM

There is no "free-floating." The fimbriae, finger-like processes at the ovary end of the fallopian tube, sweep over the ovary as the follicle breaks open and set up a current that directs the oocyte into the fallopian tube. Then peristaltic activity of the smooth muscle in the wall of the tube moves the oocyte in the direction of the uterus. This takes several days and fertilisation, if it happens, takes place in the fallopian tube. The wall of the tube does contain cilia but they perform a secondary role only in moving the egg and have been shown to be non-essential.

There's nothing like checking your facts before posting. Have I said that before, I ask myself?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Sep 23 - 03:37 AM

Then it isn't "free floating," is it?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Sep 23 - 09:52 AM

And in the interests of accuracy, a concept alien to you, my first name is Stephen, as I've pointed out several times before. Get my name wrong again and I'll call you Donuel Duck for ever more. That would be quite appropriate in any case, you quackpot.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Sep 23 - 09:49 AM

Just think before you post. I don't post at 5 am either. Depending on where you are, we are at least five hours ahead of you, you clown.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 06:08 PM

Your nature is half-arsed, half-truth (or less), uninformed utter bullshit. I've told you before. Check your facts before you post. It's what the rest of us do and it's what you never do, and by so not doing you bring the forum into disrepute. I think you could be quite an old man. But that's no bloody excuse.