BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 23 - 09:39 AM

I don't like when people say science is the new religion. While ancient religion does have some metaphorical truths that are shared with science, much of religion is nonsense or the obvious.

Nonintuitive conclusions in science may look like nonsense but there can be much more to it. Nonsense has the potential to lead to more concrete ideas but has a low success rate.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 23 - 09:24 AM

Starting with Plato science has been a philosophy. By the time of Isaac Newton, there was a philosophy of physics. Panpsychism is a philosophy of science and is gaining more favor in the last decade.

It may be a hard pill to swallow but despite all our human discoveries and fact-finding, it is nearly zero compared to the unknown and potentially unknowable. we need everyone's input and imagination.
The accidental discoveries are numerous.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 23 - 09:10 AM

Correction: "The trolling of this thread 'HAS' helped the spirit of this thread and its potential"

The pushback has required that I either make ideas more concise or relatable. We ALL have a measure of knowledge and ignorance. Get used to it.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 23 - 08:52 AM

Free thought is a deviation from a structured lining up of dominos. New ideas and invention has never been a linear process, read Connections.
I understand maybe 3 grand ideas of Einstein and how he simply arrived at those new notions. Even he did not see all the ramifications of his ideas nor did he do all the math to prove them.

If you are looking for a simple explanation of everything you too will be as disappointed as Dave. I have NEVER called anyone stupid although it is helpful to answer stupid questions because it takes prior knowledge to learn something new. The trolling of this thread has not helped the spirit of this thread or its potential but it has not defeated curiosity. The trolling is as natural as quantum variation.

Science be it accurate, false or general has affected civilization be it Evolution, Eugenics, or Relativity. It is critical to your present and future.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 23 - 08:16 AM

As another amateur science enthusiast, I show others the weakness of the past status quo and might inspire others how by simply thinking, anyone can make breakthroughs. Amos had his science thread and was piqued that I did not source everything. A new idea is hard to footnote. Having just two or three lucky speculations is not a lot but it shows anyone can successfully think. To be fair it's best to have started as a child be it golf, music, or science.

I started with the standard model and the symmetry theory which are reductionist and materialistic models of reality. I am up to the description of pan-psychic theories which include the nature of consciousness. Energy generation alternatives are a benefit to us all.
There may be something beyond fusion that is on our horizon.
I know a couple guys who won't find them.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 23 - 07:11 AM

Keeping things simple is an effort to dumb things down for understanding.
Dave getting your physics from movies like the Flash will be more entertaining for you.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 23 - 06:34 PM

When Avi Loeb announces his interstellar debris find you will be incensed at the further allusions.

Steve is linear in the sense he thinks in terms of wrong or right, black or white, win or lose, genius or idiot.

A more accurate distinction is that we have entirely different consciousnesses.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 23 - 09:09 AM

You failed the test. Iron is the last element that causes the star to collapse and initiate the production of the heaviest elements from the pressure of the final collapse which then explodes in a Nova.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 06:42 PM

The most common elements, like carbon and nitrogen, are created in the cores of most stars, fused from lighter elements like hydrogen and helium. Super Novas make the heaviest elements, like zinc, silver, tin, gold, mercury, lead and uranium. Iron, however, ends the production process and doesn't fuse into different elements.
element creation

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 02:06 PM

The heavy elements are from exploded distant stars.
You might have some on your finger.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 02:01 PM

Believe it or not, we are from our Solar system, including meteors, comets, and asteroids. Interstellar objects are far more rare.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 01:18 PM

Avi LOEB will announce his findings regarding an interstellar object that crashed into Earth this coming week.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 12:45 PM

Speculation about UFO energy sources has gone on since the 40s.
Bigalow Aerodynamics has claimed we have working prototypes of our own.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Sep 23 - 09:29 AM

So, yet another example of you posting utter nonsense, another feeble attempt to try to baffle with bullshit.

No surprise really.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 08:40 PM

OK Don, for the third time of asking can you please provide a sensible answer to my response to your post below.

"Strangely enough the hotter the Earth is, the colder Hell becomes."

More abject nonsense.

Can you locate hell for us, have you any evidence of the changing temperatures there, if you can locate it.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Sep 23 - 10:28 AM

You think a lot of things Don, however if your recent form is anything to go by most of them are erroneous.

Now, perhaps you will answer my question "Can you locate hell for us, have you any evidence of the changing temperatures there, if you can locate it."

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Sep 23 - 05:45 AM

"Strangely enough the hotter the Earth is, the colder Hell becomes."

More abject nonsense.

Can you locate hell for us, have you any evidence of the changing temperatures there, if you can locate it.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 07:17 AM

"But I always remember that this is social media and the people who post are mostly old lonely guys who sound more bitter than they may actually be."

More abject nonsense.

You have had many instances of Dave, Backwoodsman and Steve referring to their long standing partners, for myself I have enjoyed a happy and healthy relationship with my wife for almost 45 years.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 10:55 AM

Thank you SRS, however I think that if a poster mentions a particular subject they should, as a matter of course, give a link to their source.

As we have seen on frequent occasions information that has been "quoted" has proved, even after a brief perusal of the Internet, to be patently untrue.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 07:25 AM

How about providing a link to your source.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Sep 23 - 01:51 PM

"Where do the gooseberry bushes come into all this?"

Thats where the Storks nest !!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Sep 23 - 07:51 AM

John, when someone comes to a place you like and starts to shit all over it, it is not bickering to a) ask them to clean it up and b) complain. I know you will say just ignore it but, like shit, it starts to stink after a while and someone has to do something.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 02:14 PM

I can think of one, Steve. Self obsessed. Thinks he is God's gift to science. Posts misinformation all the time. Will never admit he is wrong. Inflicts his world view on everyone here and calls those who disagree idiots or narcissists. Can't name names of course ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 04:58 PM

...just not very well? Nothing wrong with that but it does make it even more important to check your facts in case you have misread or misheard something. When you do, as you obviously did with the MRI discussion, just accept that you got it wrong and accept any help you can get.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 04:45 PM

So you can read and hear?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 11:24 AM

How do you get your information if you cannot read?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 10:28 AM

There is a transcript that you can either follow or simply read, Don. It would have made everything clear. Yes, people make mistakes. I often do and, when I find out, I try to correct them. Your cavalier attitude to facts is what is causing the problem here. Your statements, that she has invented a better MRI scanner and won a Nobel prize, are simply wrong. Check your 'facts' before posting is all that anyone is asking.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 09:33 AM

In a nutshell, the 'inventor a better MRI' that won a nobel prize for her work has not invented a better MRI, never won a nobel prize and such a device does not even exist.

Do you wonder why people cannot take you seriously, Don?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 09:28 AM

I hope so too gillymor but, as my previous post says, to date (and bear in mind this talk was 5 years ago) it only 'could possibly' replace the MRI. A more recent article (Dec 2022) says it has not been achieved but it does seem close.

Developing 3D live hologram technology

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 09:22 AM

BTW - You are right in that it is not a 'Better MRI' at all. Even the description of the TED talk says -

"Taking us to the edge of optical physics, Jepsen unveils new technologies that utilize light and sound to track tumors, measure neural activity and could possibly replace the MRI machine with a cheaper, more efficient and wearable system."

So, rather than a 'better MRI' it 'could possibly' (note those words) replace the MRI machine. Does it come as any surprise that Don, once again, has got the wrong end of the stick? My prediction is that he is looking at it a better way than we can possibly understand and we are all idiots for not understanding that :-D

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 09:11 AM

She didn't win a Nobel prize at all, Doug. In the talk, a couple of minutes in, she says

"A technology I spent the early part of my career on enables de-scattering. It's called holography. And it won the Nobel Prize in physics in the 70s, because of the fantastic things it enables you to do with light."

The reality is that (Quoting Britannica.com)

Dennis Gabor, (born June 5, 1900, Budapest, Hung.—died Feb. 8, 1979, London, Eng.), Hungarian-born electrical engineer who won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1971 for his invention of holography, a system of lensless, three-dimensional photography that has many applications.

So, onnce again, Don has half heard or seen something and made the rest up. A curious brain will look into the presented facts for confirmation. A lazy brain will make them up ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 03:25 AM

I don't think you'll ever stop him posting Bollocks, Steve. The best we can hope for is to limit the nonsense to this thread alone. I keep dipping into it because if was, ostensibly, started for me. I now know that it was actually started as a platform for Don's ramblings. Worth a laugh but little else and, as long as he keeps to here, he isn't doing much damage. Just leave him to it and, when his stranger imaginings spread elsewhere, request that they be moved here.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 12:51 PM

I dunno how you arrive at these daft conclusions, Don. "the people who post are mostly old lonely guys"? Old. Yes, I'll give you that one. Lonely. I reckon that most of us who post on here are into folk music which, just by its nature, is a very social activity. Far from lonely. Guys. Surely there are as many gals?

For someone who often braggs of his mental prowess your powers of reasoning leave a lot to be desired.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 11:17 AM

I'm extremely curious about many things. Just not about how to waste 2 hours of my life on your confirmation bias. It's like being interested enough to find out what it is like to stick pins in my eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 08:14 AM

I can see why you quote it, Don, but as a podcast by "Next Level Soul" that has the headline "NASA Quantum Physicist PROVES We LIVE in a CONSCIOUS SIMULATION", I don't think I shall be investing any more of time in it. I am denying nothing. Just not prepared to waste 2 hours - not 40 minutes BTW - on something which falls at the first hurdle.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 03:06 AM

It's no dafter than some of your posts, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Sep 23 - 03:13 PM

"The KISS thread is about seed ideas that can grow,'

I thought it was about keeping things simple?

Still, I am happy for it to mutate into a Don bollocks thread if that means the rest of the forum is free from said bollocks!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Sep 23 - 07:39 AM

Thanks Mudelf. Maybe Don's wacky posts on other threads can be moved here in futire?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Sep 23 - 02:43 AM

Not bad at all, Don. Just stick to this thread. Simple! (See what I did there!?)

Why do you keep saying "donate to Mudcat" when you cannot possibly know who donates or how much?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 03:17 PM

It would be a good idea to change channel, Don, but when you post your views on all kinds of subjects on many unrelated threads it is difficult to avoid you. Stick to this thread and everyone will know which channel to avoid or watch accordingly. There is only 1 UK politics thread. There is only 1 Trump thread. Let's make this the one and only Don thread eh?

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Excellent suggestion. Duke it out over here. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Sep 23 - 04:17 AM

I see that you were complicit another thread closure Don. I suggest that you keep your arcane ramblings to this thread and then others, including me, can keep our repudiation of your wilder ideas here too. The moderators will be happier if they are not having to police multiple threads

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 02:55 PM

I'm not even sure what that means!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 02:20 PM

Everyone has an opinion Thompson but facts are sacred. If someone proves that posts below the line are from older folk I will accept it but until then it is just speculation.

For instance, my impression is that Don makes many things up but I will not state that as a fact until I can prove it!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 01:37 PM

No misquotes on my part. Here is your exact quote, Don

"The elephant in the room is that there are more older people under the line than above, at least a higher percentage of older folks."

I am still waiting for proof of that statement. I doubt if it is true.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 11:17 AM

Aye. I'm still waiting for proof that people who post below the line here are older than those who post above the line. As one who regularly posts on both I find that puzzling!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Sep 23 - 02:24 AM

"there are more older people under the line than above, at least a higher percentage of older folks"

Is there? Are you sure about that or is it another unsubstantiated Donism?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Sep 23 - 04:38 AM

Methane is a terrible greenhouse gas when leaked into the atmosphere but when it is burnt it is much cleaner that many other fuels. Maybe we should be looking at capturing and using the Arctic reserves?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 05:25 AM

Is this thread about science or politics?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Aug 23 - 12:24 PM

What does "I don't reply to 1955 anymore" mean?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Aug 23 - 10:30 AM

Why do Lemon and Pineapple deserve capital letters at the front but mint does not? :-D

I have no idea what a QUESTION COMPETITION ORGY is. I tried Googling it. Bad mistake...