BS: KISS keep it simple

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 23 - 08:55 PM

Trolls 101

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Sep 23 - 07:57 PM

Then do describe it for us.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 23 - 07:17 PM

Strangely enough the hotter the Earth is, the colder Hell becomes.
There are many inverse relationships like Supply and demand and time versus distance traveled. Far from being purely theoretical, inverse relationships exist in most systems that affect our day to day lives. There is a well-described inverse relationship between trolls and their target.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 07:06 PM

Hell will freeze over first.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 04:58 PM

...just not very well? Nothing wrong with that but it does make it even more important to check your facts in case you have misread or misheard something. When you do, as you obviously did with the MRI discussion, just accept that you got it wrong and accept any help you can get.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 04:45 PM

So you can read and hear?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 02:18 PM

You certainly don't listen. Especially when you are told to check your facts before posting.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 01:34 PM

Mostly I listen but gun powder rendered the left ear very weak.
Reading requires 2 pair of glasses at once but it can be done.

Billy Crystal enhanced Fernando Lamas paraphrase: "Its better to look good than to see good".

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 11:24 AM

How do you get your information if you cannot read?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 11:23 AM

good guys win

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 11:03 AM

Who says I can read?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 10:28 AM

There is a transcript that you can either follow or simply read, Don. It would have made everything clear. Yes, people make mistakes. I often do and, when I find out, I try to correct them. Your cavalier attitude to facts is what is causing the problem here. Your statements, that she has invented a better MRI scanner and won a Nobel prize, are simply wrong. Check your 'facts' before posting is all that anyone is asking.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 10:18 AM

The brain generates reality from perception. Yes I did mishear the 3 seconds when Nobel prize was mentioned. When people play the game telephone, it doesn't mean they are deliberately lying.
This is proof I am not AI. Unless AI is cleverly lying.

Chance favors the connected mind. Stay connected all.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 09:55 AM

Pulled the trigger too soon, I meant to add, look where technology has gotten us so far.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 09:45 AM

Thanks for the update, Dave. It sounds like someday we may have a real version of Bones McCoy's pocket scanner.
I'm not exactly a Luddite but it seems like we need to do something about an overcrowded planet before we start developing tech that enables people to live longer and longer lives. I take no comfort in the phrase "Oh don't worry about it, technology will take care of it".

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 09:33 AM

In a nutshell, the 'inventor a better MRI' that won a nobel prize for her work has not invented a better MRI, never won a nobel prize and such a device does not even exist.

Do you wonder why people cannot take you seriously, Don?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 09:28 AM

I hope so too gillymor but, as my previous post says, to date (and bear in mind this talk was 5 years ago) it only 'could possibly' replace the MRI. A more recent article (Dec 2022) says it has not been achieved but it does seem close.

Developing 3D live hologram technology

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 09:22 AM

BTW - You are right in that it is not a 'Better MRI' at all. Even the description of the TED talk says -

"Taking us to the edge of optical physics, Jepsen unveils new technologies that utilize light and sound to track tumors, measure neural activity and could possibly replace the MRI machine with a cheaper, more efficient and wearable system."

So, rather than a 'better MRI' it 'could possibly' (note those words) replace the MRI machine. Does it come as any surprise that Don, once again, has got the wrong end of the stick? My prediction is that he is looking at it a better way than we can possibly understand and we are all idiots for not understanding that :-D

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 09:21 AM

Nailed it, Dave.
As a guy who's had 2 MRIs in the last 3 weeks for separate issues I hope Ms. Jepsen's technology comes online soon so I can do it myself, on my sofa while watching golf on TV.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 09:11 AM

She didn't win a Nobel prize at all, Doug. In the talk, a couple of minutes in, she says

"A technology I spent the early part of my career on enables de-scattering. It's called holography. And it won the Nobel Prize in physics in the 70s, because of the fantastic things it enables you to do with light."

The reality is that (Quoting Britannica.com)

Dennis Gabor, (born June 5, 1900, Budapest, Hung.—died Feb. 8, 1979, London, Eng.), Hungarian-born electrical engineer who won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1971 for his invention of holography, a system of lensless, three-dimensional photography that has many applications.

So, onnce again, Don has half heard or seen something and made the rest up. A curious brain will look into the presented facts for confirmation. A lazy brain will make them up ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 08:50 AM

That info is in her TED talk.
PS I never use Wiki. But I have gone there a handful of times.

Since the brain generates its own version of reality, the line between visionary and bollocks depends upon the quality of that brain's generation and interpretation of perception. A curious brain will generate a better interpretation than a lazy brain.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 08:28 AM

... she even won a Nobel prize for this unintuitive idea.

There's nothing in the Wikipedia page on her about a Nobel prize and she doesn't seem to appear in the list of Nobel laureates in Physics.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 08:20 AM

Since the brain generates its own version of its perception, when a person goes blind, the brain's optical centers can become hyperexcitable and create hallucinations like a boring repetitive movie. Likewise, when a person goes deaf the brain's hearing centers do a similar thing and create hallucinatory music. These reactions occur in about 10% of people who go blind or deaf.
The man who first discovered this had a name that sounds like Bonay.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 08:11 AM

The hologram works like a filter that unscrambles and undiffuses light to its original beam. It sort of works like an opposite Plinko game.

Yes ... but how? That is what I would have liked to hear more about. I've never heard of Plinko, so it's not much help.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 07:59 AM

Yes Doug she even won a Nobel prize for this unintuitive idea.
The hologram works like a filter that unscrambles and undiffuses light to its original beam. It sort of works like an opposite Plinko game.
This almost seems like magic at first look.

Years ago I was in Harvard Square when a young woman explained her work on a real time MRI. That seemed like magic back then, at least it sounded like a Star Trek scanner.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 06:23 AM

The text of the link    “the inventor of the better MRI”    (posted is 14 Sep 23 - 02:52 PM) is misleading as the subject of the TED talk was an optical alternative to MRI and had nothing to do with magnetic resonance.

The talk itself was very interesting although I would have liked more on how the hologram refocuses the light scattered by the body tissues.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 03:25 AM

I don't think you'll ever stop him posting Bollocks, Steve. The best we can hope for is to limit the nonsense to this thread alone. I keep dipping into it because if was, ostensibly, started for me. I now know that it was actually started as a platform for Don's ramblings. Worth a laugh but little else and, as long as he keeps to here, he isn't doing much damage. Just leave him to it and, when his stranger imaginings spread elsewhere, request that they be moved here.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 07:34 PM

You are lying and you are talking bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 06:57 PM

I am equating self-control with goodwill and good intentions.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 06:46 PM

If you are damn sure you are the victim here, you can explore legal redress. Or you can protest by boycott. You might even want to invest in a digital forum of your own. Administrator Steve sounds good.

I don't think getting along politely is an option.
If self-control were possible it would have happened by now.
Steve knows he has not been deleted here but he does not know I have repeatedly requested that he not be deleted for specific reasons. That reason is because self-control is unavailable for some people. It is also a record of his vile accusations and torrents of licentious lies.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 05:11 PM

Well I knew you wouldn't like it. As far as I can glean here, the only active mod is Maggie. I have had many a spat with her, but at the end of the day it's not my gig. She has my respect and I think she knows it, in spite of everything. Yes you are whingeing about a couple of deleted posts. I could multiply that by a hundred times in my case if I wanted to play the victim. At the end of the day the best thing to do is to suck it up and the worst thing you can do is to accuse her of double standards when she has to deal with a troublesome bunch of buggers. It's not real life and it's not your gig. Move on.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 04:49 PM

I’m not ‘whingeing about a couple of deleted posts’, I’m asking why there are double standards in moderation. Why two posts of mine, which did exactly the same as you claim your many, many posts over a nine month period are doing - challenging Donuel’s garbage - are regarded as ‘bickering’ and used to justify the closing of a thread, whereas a nine-month-long bickering feud between you and Donuel is allowed to continue unabated and uncommented upon.

That’s all. I passed no comment on who’s right or wrong, there is no ‘sitting back in judgment’ in my post, I really don’t give a FF on that score - you’re both as bad as each other AFAIC. He won’t stop trolling you, and you can’t stop responding to it.

And stop bringing dogs and their owners up every time I post something you don’t like. Your cynophobic views are well-known, and you’re not going to succeed in provoking me on that subject.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 04:32 PM

Why are you whingeing about a couple of deleted posts, John? Hundreds of my posts get deleted but I generally whinge only when some other git's equally bad, or worse, posts are left in place. My whinge-to-delete quotient is tiny compared to yours. Suck it up.

And this cobblers:

"Yet you two, with occasional contributions from others, have been continually kicking lumps out of each other since post #3 on 5th January, without any action, or even comment, from ‘Da Management’."

So you want to equate me with that charlatan. With the bloke who posts total bollocks about anything and everything, who never checks his facts. How ironic that you sit back in judgement just like a bad mod, and, in the same post, whinge about a mod who's doing her best, right or wrong. You wouldn't like it if I equated you, a good dog owner, with the people who own XL bullies. So kindly do not equate me with him. I want him to stop posting bollocks all the time, that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 11:28 AM

Side thought: Perhaps the older stigmatisation of UFO sightings was a cover. Some of those unidentified objects were spy planes or other secret craft .... and not all of them were from Our Side. (It's an old trick. I remember hearing that the persistent rumour that eating carrots helps you see at night was started in WW2 to cover the existence of plane-mounted radar.)

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 08:44 AM

Today our top physicists are slowly willing to look into UAPs.
Avi Loeb and Weinstien

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: gillymor
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 08:39 AM

What is the "UI FO phenomenon"? Serious question.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 08:26 AM

i have nothing to do with moderation and will not bring disagreements from other threads into the bile battle.
I have never monetized my interest in the UI FO phenomenon. Nearly 50 years ago my role was that of a skeptic and held a scientific neutrality regarding a review of hypnosis sessions regarding sightings. The bottom line was that there was no direct evidence but there was indirect experiential evidence. There were signs something was up but when it came down to it there was no there there among MY GROUP of reports. I do not want nonsense to crowd out a rare but possible truth. There are banal branches on the decision tree regarding a genre of claims that are paranormal explanations that I FIND UNBELIEVABLE.

That bias should not enter into the research. Today the NASA chief has basically called an end to the stigma brought against witnesses, They now seek the public's help. There is still a sick and twisted notion that one must seek to destroy a witness as a person. That is ridiculous today but was a common stigmatization 40 years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 07:36 AM

I do admit to being old, Raggy, but ‘lonely’, or ‘bitter’? Nah!

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 07:17 AM

"But I always remember that this is social media and the people who post are mostly old lonely guys who sound more bitter than they may actually be."

More abject nonsense.

You have had many instances of Dave, Backwoodsman and Steve referring to their long standing partners, for myself I have enjoyed a happy and healthy relationship with my wife for almost 45 years.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 07:12 AM

A week or so ago, the ‘Trump’ thread was closed on the grounds that my pointing out to Donuel that an accusation of rape doesn’t automatically make the accused man a rapist amounted to ‘bickering’. Although that thread has now been opened again, several posts, including my two correcting Donuel’s error, have been deleted.

Yet you two, with occasional contributions from others, have been continually kicking lumps out of each other since post #3 on 5th January, without any action, or even comment, from ‘Da Management’.

Strange how my two posts on the Trump thread were viewed as ‘bickering’ and justified the closure of the thread, yet a nine-month-long running feud involving regular insults in this thread goes on unchecked.

Does anyone understand the reason(s) for the apparently-double moderational standards here?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 05:47 AM

Sometimes, people who are "as good as dead" are curious enough to investigate things, make connections, look things up, check their facts and get things right. There's joy in all those endeavours that you have yet to find, old son. There's no joy in casually posting half-baked, half-remembered and downright inaccurate guff, especially coming from someone who makes the specious claim that he's "a fan of science."

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 08:54 PM

UFO PHYSICS

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 08:41 PM

The last half inch of the genius link is golden

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 08:32 PM

Donuel's "quote": "Curiosity should begin at birth and never end until death"
Quote Albert Einstien [sic]

The true quote: "Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death."

There ya go, chaps and chapesses. His "quote" isn't actually a quote at all. It's half-remembered nonsense that he casually chucks at us. He is so full of his self-regard that he insults us by posting rubbish that he can't be bothered to check, thinking we won't notice. "Fan of science," eh?

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 08:21 PM

Those who are as good as dead do not speak for everyone.
I speak for myself since I can only access my experiences and study.

A real-life tech GENIUS

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 07:35 PM

The UFO bullshit that you've been propagating so enthusiastically has been dissed by NASA, admittedly a bit more diplomatically than I've done here. Stick to science is NASA's story. Take the hint.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 07:31 PM

You don't give a **** for the truth, that's for sure. You are taking the piss out of everyone who reads your posts.

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 06:56 PM

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/14/nasa-to-americans-help-us-find-ufos-00115896

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 06:07 PM

I don't give a ****

Subject: RE: BS: KISS keep it simple
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 06:02 PM

You lied. You made it up.