BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Rain Dog
Date: 02 Nov 24 - 03:58 PM

"So Kemi Badenoch is the new Tory leader. They haven’t learned a thing, have they?"

Well it was not much of a choice was it?
But.
They decided to elect a female leader.
They decided to elect a non white leader.
Perhaps some other parties might take notice.

On another matter, I think it was mentioned that 131,000 members had a vote.

The vast majority of people here in the UK are not members of any political party. Come any election, we rely on the various parties to put up candidates to enable us to choose the least worst options. All the parties put forward their policies but how many have canvassed the opinions of the general public?

Over the years I have got fed up with all governments claiming to have a 'mandate' to inflict their policies on all of us. They might have a majority of seats but the fact remains that the majority of people did not vote for that party.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: DaveRo
Date: 02 Nov 24 - 02:26 PM

Thompson wrote: And so it begins.

Bookmark my Simple linkifier to avoid breaking long links.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Nov 24 - 10:42 AM

So Kemi Badenoch is the new Tory leader. They haven’t learned a thing, have they?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 01 Nov 24 - 06:09 PM

And so it begins.
In relation to paywalls, if you wait a few days a lot of things will appear on the Wayback Machine.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 12:53 PM

It said that I had reached my limit of free articles

Yes, Nigel, I think he had taken a leaf out of Nobby's policing manual :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 12:29 PM

”I cannot see the i article without paying :-(“

That’s strange, Dave - I didn’t have to pay and I could see the whole thing. Are you sure it’s not just a case of registering FOC to read their on-line articles?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 12:24 PM

…and I’m pretty sure Ian Dunt meant ‘simmering rage’, not ‘shimmering’.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 12:08 PM

”Does this mean that if Sunak had not objected, or had a laid back response, it would be proclaimed a bad budget? Is someone's only view of the budget based on whether it infuriates the opposition?”

You do yourself a great dis-service when your only response is to pretend to be thick Nigel. Please don’t, we know you’re not really that stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 12:00 PM

Dave the Gnome: Yes, I only got as far as the headline before being asked to pay:
Want to understand how good this Budget is? Just look at Sunak’s shimmering rage

Does this mean that if Sunak had not objected, or had a laid back response, it would be proclaimed a bad budget? Is someone's only view of the budget based on whether it infuriates the opposition?
This seems no reasonable way to run a country (although not quite so bad as ladies in lakes handing out swords!)

As to your earlier comment but I cannot think of a justification to carry on punching and kicking when the guy was on the deck
It was Terry Pratchett (in Guards Guards) who wrote:
"“Corporal Nobbs,’ he rasped, ‘why are you kicking people when they’re down?’
‘Safest way, sir,’ said Nobby.”"

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 10:41 AM

I cannot see the i article without paying :-(

Any chance of a synopsis?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Oct 24 - 05:12 AM

Ian Dunt’s excellent piece In the i Newspaper about yesterday’s first Labour budget. I agree with him, and so so the IMF.

And wasn’t it wonderful to see Fishy Rishi losing his shit because he knew their greedy, self-servative ideology had just been shoved down the Tories’ throats…

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 30 Oct 24 - 04:58 PM

I see Robert Jenrick is saying that colonised nations should be grateful for all the civilisation brought to them by colonisers. Sounds really great! Maybe some of England's former colonies could return the favour - say, India could have London, Pakistan could take Kent, Ireland might like to hold on to, say, Devon and Cornwall (source of some of the most notable kindly colonisers like Raleigh and Drake) for a few hundred years?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Oct 24 - 04:25 AM

Better to wait until all the facts have come out. .yes you are right about kicking him and punching on the ground

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 05:30 PM

Maybe the first blow could have been preemptive self defence but I cannot think of a justification to carry on punching and kicking when the guy was on the deck

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 04:27 PM

whether it was right or wrong, and until i know what his provoker actually said, i will assume it was wrong it was a mighty left hook.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 12:22 PM

Don't like any of them, Dick, but to bring the topic back to politics, Members of Parliament in particular should never bully anyone. Nor should they be subject to stalking or intimidation for doing the job they were elected to do. If the bloke who was punched was Amesbury's stalker, he should have been stopped but Amesbury himself was wrong to take the law into his own hands.

Nigel, you were quite right to call this out and no amount of whataboutery excuses Amesbury's behaviour. Likewise, no amount of 'what about Labour?' excuses the antics of the Tories over the last few years. Whether more Tory wrongdoing is called out is because they do a lot more wrong or whether it is because the members on here are more left leaning is another matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 12:12 PM

He could have a future career in a boxing ring.a good way or not a good way to deal with STALKERS? a good way to deal with bullies, any opinions
Dave the gnome what is your opinion on bullies, what is your opinion on stalkers, backwoodsman

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 08:22 AM

…although the Labour Party have a very long way to fall before they plumb the depths your bunch of crooks and scrotes have sunk to over the past 14 years. But I don’t expect a Tory Fan-boi to acknowledge that fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 08:19 AM

Well, for once, you seem to have got the point. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 07:22 AM

To paraphrase the Good Book - “Let he whose party is without sin…”

Oh good. does that mean you'll stop carping on about the Conservative Party?

No?

I thought not.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 05:33 AM

from bbc news
In July 2023, a 56-year-old man was convicted of stalking and harassing the MP at his constituency office and in Frodsham town centre.

The court heard the offender had stared through the office glass, asked guards about their level of security, and followed and confronted Amesbury on several occasions.

At the time, Amesbury said it had resulted in him feeling "that little bit more anxious".

Listen to the best of BBC Radio Merseyside on Sounds and follow BBC Merseyside on Facebook, X, and Instagram. You can also send story ideas to [e-mail] and via Whatsapp to 0808 100 2230.quote


At this point in time, we do not know if this is the same man, neither do we know how the MP was threatened.
What we do know is this Helen Joanne Cox (née Leadbeater; 22 June 1974 – 16 June 2016) was a British politician who served as Member of Parliament (MP) for Batley and Spen from May 2015 until her murder in June 2016. She was a member of the Labour Party.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 05:19 AM

Careful, Nigel. People in glass-houses shouldn’t throw stones, and there are plenty of examples of thoroughly bad lots amongst the mob that you’re daft enough to support - two of the worst are currently vying for the boss’s job.

To paraphrase the Good Book - “Let he whose party is without sin…”

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 04:57 AM

Keir Starmer, heir to Blair
Mike Amesbury, heir to Prescott

Details in Sky News

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 03:37 AM

I can see her FB rantings, although why anyone would want to I really can’t imagine - I only looked out of inquisitiveness. Nothing’s changed.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 08:38 PM

You need to use an alternate FB account that she hasn't thought of and blocked if you want to see her ranting (I was blocked years ago, but after Dave pointed this out a while back I tracked her down using another account). Look in the dictionary for a definition of "wacko" and there is a photo of Lizzie. She really gives left-leaning politics a bad name.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 03:59 PM

Lizzie Cornish posts are still visible on facebook.
I am pleased YAXLEY is behind bars

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 11:52 AM

His defence solicitor said that "he was such a controversial figure he may be placed in solitary confinement by prison governors, as had occurred the last time he had been jailed, and there was medical evidence he had previously suffered trauma, panic attacks and nightmares."

What a shame for the poor hard done to little lamb...

Who remembers Lizzie Cornish? I had the misfortune to come across some of her rantings on Faceache recently. Not only did she believe that convicted paedophile Rolf Harris was innocent but also that Tommy Robinson is misunderstood and simply standing up for the rights of British people. Her FB posts are no longer visible as I suspect she would be subject to criminal investigation if they were public but she was rambling on about how criminal immigrants were taking over the country and only Yaxley-Lennon was telling the truth. His litany of criminal convictions were all a put up job and she believed every vile lie he posts. Mad as a box of frogs yet there are still those who believe she was badly treated on here....

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 09:18 AM

Finally, some good news, Yaxley is behind bars. We just need to instruct the Home Office to write to eeryone in the UK to make sure that everyone understands that Yaxley was lying. The cost can be met by a personal, bank loan to Yaxley which he, his family and his descendents will just need to work off.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Oct 24 - 02:08 PM

Obviously not, Dave! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Oct 24 - 05:42 AM

BWM :-D

Dick, do you never wonder why lots of your posts are deleted?

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As has again happened. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 05:37 AM

”The whole point of a discussion is to exchange ideas and, to that end, it is pretty pointless just to post a random link with no indication of why you have done it. When you post a link it is just common courtesy to say what it is about and why you think other people may be interested.”

Spot on Dave.

”It also comes accross as lazy on the poster's part. If they don't spend any effort posting, why would I waste my time reading? And possibly fighting cookie banners and paywalls.”

Spot on too, DaveRo. I have a short mental list of posters whose posts I scroll past as a matter of principle because they are mostly hogwash, often deliberately and unnecessarily provocative, and seldom worth reading.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: DaveRo
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 04:44 AM

people are capable of forming opinions without me

True. But personally I'd like a reason for why I should bother to click a link, if only a sentence saying what it's about. In this case the link included 'brexit-eu-starmer-labour' which was not enough - there have been hundreds of articles on those subjects; why should I look at this one?

Absent a reason for clicking, I have only the identity of the poster. Some folk on here, I'd nearly always click their links. Others - never. You're - er - somewhere in the middle ;)

It also comes accross as lazy on the poster's part. If they don't spend any effort posting, why would I waste my time reading? And possibly fighting cookie banners and paywalls.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 04:39 AM

Oh, and 800 :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 04:38 AM

People do not form opinions because of other people's views, Dick, but some are interested in what you think. The whole point of a discussion is to exchange ideas and, to that end, it is pretty pointless just to post a random link with no indication of why you have done it. When you post a link it is just common courtesy to say what it is about and why you think other people may be interested.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 01:57 AM

people are capable of forming opinions without me givng mine, giving my opinion is unnecessary

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Oct 24 - 04:57 PM

Dave, it was this
Staggering cost of Britain’s Brexit divorce revealed – and there’s billions more to pay EU

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 08:00 AM

I posted this on the US Election thread too. It does cross boundaries

The odious Farage, who supports the orange one, is up in arms. It seems that even though he has spent time and money supporting Trump himself, no-one from the Labour party is allowed to support Harris. In the report is says "British allies of Trump drew a distinction between the actions of an opposition politician and the governing party." So, a very Trumpian one law for us and one for everyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 07:46 AM

Surely Andrew Bailey should be pulling his finger out, and printing about 3 billion £10 notes to Europe as settlement, making sure that the transactin does not appear on any officia treasury or bank of england record - then do the same to compenste (1) the treasury for loss of tax revnue form loss of access to overseas employees, and (2) loss of dorporation tax revenues form exports, and compensate us as well.... as long as the transactions are 'plain brown paper pages crammed full of banknotes' there is no economic impact.
RANT OVER

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Oct 24 - 06:06 PM

I do wish you wouldn't just post links without comment, Dick. We have no idea what it is and many people will not just follow random links. Please provide a description and the reason you are posting it. Prefereably with some view of your own too.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Oct 24 - 02:43 PM

LINK SOURCE INDEPENDENThttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-starmer-labour-b2630357.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-gb

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Oct 24 - 04:19 AM

Agreed. He certainly did some good things. Condolences to his loved ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Oct 24 - 03:38 AM

RIP Alex,
free prescriptions, free university tuition for Scottish students, scrapping bridge tolls,all good achievements

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 20 Oct 24 - 07:24 PM

A bit surprised, or maybe I’m not, that there has so far been no mention of the sudden death of Alex Salmond on 12th October while away in Macedonia. Whatever you may think of him and his politics, or the rather drawn out court case in more recent years, he was undoubtedly a hugely important figure on the Scottish political scene over a good many years. Controversy seemed to follow him around, even down to who should “Bring him home” for you Les Mis fans - should it be the RAF, the Scottish Govt, his travel insurers or, as happened in the end, a friend and private benefactor, Sir Tom Hunter.
RIP Alex, with thanks for all the positive things you did for Scotland : free prescriptions, free university tuition for Scottish students, scrapping bridge tolls, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Oct 24 - 11:15 AM

The trouble with carbs is that they suffer from zero hydrate,so they are diminishing in form

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Oct 24 - 11:08 AM

It's the carbs that are killing folks with diabetes. The government should provide a good high fat and protein diet to those folks by way of experiment and watch them get slim and healthy (more of a keto approach than a chemical approach). Great experiment, that one.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 15 Oct 24 - 10:13 AM

Now that I read the piece again a second, less choleric time, that medicine isn't quite as experimental as it seems; it's already used for Type 2 Diabetes.
But linking obesity to worklessness (and by implication, "fat and lazy", if I'm not taking too far a step) seems horrible; also, how voluntary exactly is this experiment going to be?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Oct 24 - 09:10 AM

I know a bloke called Les who is pretty miserable...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 15 Oct 24 - 03:22 AM

Raggytash, when I used Windows machines, I think the way to get acute accents was ctrl-alt-something and the vowel; however, looking it up, apparently it's now CTRL + ‘ (Apostrophe) + letter. On a Mac it's Option plus the letter.

Separately, I see to my astonished horror that the UK's current government plans to rent out the unemployed as guinnea pigs to a pharmaceutical giant "to get them back to work".
I'm all for people losing weight and getting fit; however, a mass grant of bicycles for the jobless, plus founding cycle touring clubs across the countries would do this in a more enjoyable and moral way.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Oct 24 - 03:47 PM

Backwoodsman, that Wiki page was quite an eye-opener. Thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Oct 24 - 02:54 PM

You are correct Thompson and if I had more knowledge about the use of keyboards .....................