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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 28 Feb 25 - 02:21 PM UK Knife Crime Deaths per Million: Knife-related homicides in the UK are approximately 250-300 deaths per year. Population of the UK (2023 estimate): around 67 million. So, for knife-related deaths: Deaths per million = (300 deaths / 67,000,000 people) × 1,000,000 This gives approximately 4.5 knife-related homicides per million people per year. 2. US Knife Crime Deaths per Million: Knife-related homicides in the US are approximately 1,500-2,000 deaths per year (this can vary slightly, but we’ll use this range for estimation). Population of the US (2023 estimate): around 334 million. So, for knife-related deaths: Deaths per million = (2,000 deaths / 334,000,000 people) × 1,000,000 This gives approximately 6 knife-related homicides per million people per year. Key Comparisons: UK: 4.5 deaths per million from knife-related homicides. US: 6 deaths per million from knife-related homicides. The gun death crimes in US are an 'added bonus'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 22 Feb 25 - 10:19 AM --- Ah: life imitating art. Thanks for the clarification. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Raggytash Date: 22 Feb 25 - 05:07 AM According to Wiki the silly billy line was a Mike Yarwood invention which Denis Healy, known for his biting wit, took to using himself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 21 Feb 25 - 02:51 PM *Argh*: never did know how to spell Denis Healey's name. Methinks that comes of hearing it rather more often than I saw it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 21 Feb 25 - 02:40 PM > silly billy I thought it was the running-gag catchphrase from Mike Yarwood's Dennis Healy impression. Was it a direct quote all along? for historical completeness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Feb 25 - 01:49 PM I hope you are being ironic, Dick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 21 Feb 25 - 10:41 AM i have no wish to argue , i was clarifying my point of view.As DenisHealey would say stop being a silly billy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Feb 25 - 07:56 AM I answered your question, Dick, simply that. Twice. The links you provided confirmed my answer. I did not misunderstand anything and I did not compare you to MAGA gun nuts so your last line is simply a straw man argument. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 21 Feb 25 - 05:13 AM No, you have misunderstood and made an assumption. I put up the links to put a balanced viewnd to put the violence in perspective . I was providing links to make comparisons, those comparisons which i provided as you rightly suggest, knife crime is reducing, but of course any knife crime is too much. I am not at all like MAGA GUN NUTS because Iprivide links which give a more balanced view even if you misunderstand them that is not my problem |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Feb 25 - 04:48 AM Dick, the very first paragraph of you first link "In the year ending March 2023, there were 590 homicides recorded in England and Wales, representing a 14% decrease from the previous year. This figure marks the lowest number of homicides since March 2016" Your second link was about an individual stabbing which was very sad but also contained the line "This area, which includes Birmingham, Coventry and Wolverhampton, previously had the highest rate but reported knife crime fell in the latest figures" So, if you thought they did anything to prove that violence was increasing, they didn't! You did pose the question "Is the uk becoming more like USA?, Substitute guns for knives" To which the answer is no as the articles you linked indicate that knife crime is reducing. If you are trying to compare knife crime in the UK with gun crime in the USA then you are barking up the wrong tree entirely. Much like the MAGA gun nuts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 21 Feb 25 - 03:56 AM LINK FROM BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c17qgyxgrn1o |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 21 Feb 25 - 02:47 AM No I made a comparison between uk violence and USA violence, HERE IS ANOTHER LINK https://aoav.org.uk/2024/does-the-uk-have-a-knife-and-gun-problem/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 21 Feb 25 - 12:08 AM Ah, so it’s about US gun statistics, nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit or other UK political topics. Thought as much. Was your post just a bit of a brain-fart, Sandman? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 20 Feb 25 - 05:11 PM BACKWOODSMAN BW security world https://bwsecurityworld.com/technology/gun-violence-statistics-2024-mixed-bag-of-trends-economic-burdens/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 20 Feb 25 - 11:38 AM It will be of far more consequence than anything that you or I will ever post in here, Dick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 20 Feb 25 - 10:49 AM Any news on that link, Sandman? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 20 Feb 25 - 09:38 AM I will be surprised if it is of any consequence |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 20 Feb 25 - 09:26 AM Has Starmer grown a pair at last? He seems to be standing with Zelenskyy and against Trump's bully tactics. I suppose we will have to wait and see what next week's meeting brings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 19 Feb 25 - 11:24 AM When quoting those kinds of statistics, it would be a good idea to state the source you’re quoting or, better still, give a link to that source so people can check for themselves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 19 Feb 25 - 11:22 AM ”The full details and 2024 gun violence statistics are available now. Key results include both encouraging and alarming trends: Gun violence resulted in 40,886 deaths and 31,652 injuries, a 9 percent decrease from 2023” Where? Definitely nothing to do with the UK, and this is the ‘Brexit and other U.K. political topics’ thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 19 Feb 25 - 05:48 AM UK and US knife crime are very similar on a per capita basis so, no, the UK is not becoming more like the US. It is and has been similar on kinife crime for a number of years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 19 Feb 25 - 05:24 AM I agree,also criminals will always take the opportunity to make money by selling knives on the black market |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Raggytash Date: 19 Feb 25 - 05:20 AM 16 year old's probably still live at home with Mum, Mum will, in all likelihood, have a draw in the kitchen with several knifes in it. Preventing 16 year old's from buying knifes will not stop their access to them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 19 Feb 25 - 04:25 AM perhaps we should bring back the stocks and pillories for under age murderers, so that they get some punishment , whether it would stop underage murderers is doubtful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 19 Feb 25 - 04:16 AM The full details and 2024 gun violence statistics are available now. Key results include both encouraging and alarming trends: Gun violence resulted in 40,886 deaths and 31,652 injuries, a 9 percent decrease from 2023 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 19 Feb 25 - 04:03 AM There were 570 victims of homicide recorded in year ending (YE) March 2024, 3% lower than the previous year (585 victims); excluding the YE March 2021 when volumes of public space violence were suppressed during coronavirus (COVID-19) lockdown periods, this was the lowest number of homicides recorded since the YE March |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 19 Feb 25 - 03:54 AM 16 year old able to buy knives and pick them up in post office , and murder somebody. shocking. Is the uk becoming more like USA?, Substitute guns for knives |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 09 Feb 25 - 03:54 AM The system practised in the Soviet Union. Although it seemed to work in Cuba |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Feb 25 - 03:15 AM Yes, probably. What's the other (failed) system then? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 08 Feb 25 - 09:35 PM THE capitalist system is at fault |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 08 Feb 25 - 06:06 PM I don't know what systems you are are saying is at fault and which 'other system' has failed, Dick. Yes, we do live an an unjust world but I do try to make the best of it. Treating others as we would like to be treated is a noble goal. Let's hope that everyone tries it in our lifetime :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 08 Feb 25 - 02:04 PM Dave, would you agree that this is the fault of our system. Unfortunately, so far, the other system has failed for other reasons. What an unjust world we live in. I suppose until we as a species start treating others in the way we would want to be treated, this will happen again and again. I too, understand,why there are mixed feelings in the community. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 08 Feb 25 - 08:53 AM Grenfell Tower news to confirm what keberoxu posted. I am ambivalent about it and can understand why there are mixed feeings in the community. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: keberoxu Date: 07 Feb 25 - 09:37 AM The BBC reports an announcement of plans to demolish Grenfell Tower at last, years after the fire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: gillymor Date: 07 Jan 25 - 11:36 AM All this attention that Musk is getting has got to be driving Trump crazy, or rather, crazier. During COVID, when Fauci and Pence were conducting the popular and informative daily briefings he had to horn in and grab back the spotlight with innovative ideas liking drinking bleach and sticking a gro-light up you butt. He's living in a reality show gone wrong and he has to be the star. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Musk slagging off Starmer From: Donuel Date: 07 Jan 25 - 11:05 AM I don't claim his native South African ass as American. He sold his part ownership in pay pal to ebay for 1.5 billion while he was a Canadian citizen. He got US citizenship in 2002. He is a glorified manager, not an inventor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Musk slagging off Starmer From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 07 Jan 25 - 10:12 AM Just seen this in an article in The Register, ultimately from an interview in Stern magazine (see ElReg article for direct link):
--- *Yessss*, thinks I: Wonderful punchline. (Does it count as a meta-trolling?) PS: Dear MudElf: does this message belong elsewhere? Yes. It and the companions are there now. Thank you for asking! ---mudelf |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 07 Jan 25 - 09:45 AM ”It is my opinion that it will be better for the UK to sever ties with the upcoming US administration and concentrate on rebuilding relationships with our closest trading partners. I am sure others will disagree! Not me, Dave! Anyone who can’t see how much we have lost as a result of BrexShit, and how we are about to be right-royally Rogered by Drumpf, his President-elect-by-Proxy, Musk, and their puppet in the UK Parliament, Farage, needs to withdraw their head from the sand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 07 Jan 25 - 09:05 AM Tee-hee-hee… Musk tops Forbes’ List of Most Exhausting Men’ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 07 Jan 25 - 08:53 AM I'm pretty sure it is UK politivcal so thanks, Nigel. As the Turnip is not yet actual president and Musk is not yet in a goverment position there is very little can be said or done about a private individual, even a very influenential one, from slagging off the UK goverment. It happens on here often enough :-D When Turnip is sworn in and Musk is a real US government representatitive I suspect the US ambassador will have some explaining to do if the rhetoric keeps up. It is my opinion that it will be better for the UK to sever ties with the upcoming US administration and concentrate on rebuilding relationships with our closest trading partners. I am sure others will disagree! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Musk slagging off Starmer From: Backwoodsman Date: 07 Jan 25 - 06:24 AM Hey Al, I already mentioned this in the ‘Let’s talk about the US Election’ thread. Maybe add your comments there? Cheers! |
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Subject: BS: Musk slagging off Starmer From: Big Al Whittle Date: 07 Jan 25 - 06:14 AM I keep thinking of the Randy Newman line.... "He maybe a fool, but he's our fool..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Dec 24 - 04:21 PM Many more than 2, Dick, but most people cars as much about a uncommented post as they do about randy Andy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 19 Dec 24 - 03:45 AM "another lead balloon gone down", quote dave the gnome. That makes two |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Dec 24 - 01:26 PM It could get worse I suppose. At least we don't have Elon Musk trying to manipulative UK politics by funding the Reform Party Oh, hang on... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 17 Dec 24 - 09:33 AM A,en to that, Dave. The foul hag Thatcher’s Big Con Trick - forcing local authorities to sell off their housing stock cheap to sitting tenants, but blocking the building of replacement stock. Pretending it was for the benefit of the tenants, but knowing full well that many (most?) of the houses sold off would eventually end up in the hands of private landlords. Of course, she couldn’t say that she was privatising rented housing, but that’s effectively what she did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Dec 24 - 04:22 AM Now that that lead balloon has gone down maybe we can get back to UK politics. If anyone needs any proof that Starmer is simply a Tory in sheep's clothing we need look no further than his policy on housing. Building 1.5 million new homes will do nothing to ease the housing crisis. That has been brought on by years of allowing developers and landlords to hoard property and charge rents that those in most need can never afford. Put rented property back in the control of local authorities and stop profiteering on property. Allowing developers to build on green belt will do nothing but increase the profits of those developers and those who will buy to rent out. So called affordable housing is a joke to those who can no longer afford a deposit, let alone those with no home at all |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 16 Dec 24 - 09:50 AM not at all, i have been playing music with a friend this morning. tomorrow i am teaching music, and weds playing music with another friend. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Raggytash Date: 16 Dec 24 - 05:23 AM Must get very lonely down in West Cork |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 16 Dec 24 - 04:25 AM If it is an attempt to whip up anti chinese sentiment, it is very much to do with uk politics here is another link in which ian duncan smith makes allegations link from the guardian ttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/dec/16/prince-andrew-alleged-chinese-spy-naming?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb |
