BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 04:57 AM

Keir Starmer, heir to Blair
Mike Amesbury, heir to Prescott

Details in Sky News

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 03:37 AM

I can see her FB rantings, although why anyone would want to I really can’t imagine - I only looked out of inquisitiveness. Nothing’s changed.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 08:38 PM

You need to use an alternate FB account that she hasn't thought of and blocked if you want to see her ranting (I was blocked years ago, but after Dave pointed this out a while back I tracked her down using another account). Look in the dictionary for a definition of "wacko" and there is a photo of Lizzie. She really gives left-leaning politics a bad name.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 03:59 PM

Lizzie Cornish posts are still visible on facebook.
I am pleased YAXLEY is behind bars

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 11:52 AM

His defence solicitor said that "he was such a controversial figure he may be placed in solitary confinement by prison governors, as had occurred the last time he had been jailed, and there was medical evidence he had previously suffered trauma, panic attacks and nightmares."

What a shame for the poor hard done to little lamb...

Who remembers Lizzie Cornish? I had the misfortune to come across some of her rantings on Faceache recently. Not only did she believe that convicted paedophile Rolf Harris was innocent but also that Tommy Robinson is misunderstood and simply standing up for the rights of British people. Her FB posts are no longer visible as I suspect she would be subject to criminal investigation if they were public but she was rambling on about how criminal immigrants were taking over the country and only Yaxley-Lennon was telling the truth. His litany of criminal convictions were all a put up job and she believed every vile lie he posts. Mad as a box of frogs yet there are still those who believe she was badly treated on here....

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 09:18 AM

Finally, some good news, Yaxley is behind bars. We just need to instruct the Home Office to write to eeryone in the UK to make sure that everyone understands that Yaxley was lying. The cost can be met by a personal, bank loan to Yaxley which he, his family and his descendents will just need to work off.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Oct 24 - 02:08 PM

Obviously not, Dave! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Oct 24 - 05:42 AM

BWM :-D

Dick, do you never wonder why lots of your posts are deleted?

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As has again happened. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 05:37 AM

”The whole point of a discussion is to exchange ideas and, to that end, it is pretty pointless just to post a random link with no indication of why you have done it. When you post a link it is just common courtesy to say what it is about and why you think other people may be interested.”

Spot on Dave.

”It also comes accross as lazy on the poster's part. If they don't spend any effort posting, why would I waste my time reading? And possibly fighting cookie banners and paywalls.”

Spot on too, DaveRo. I have a short mental list of posters whose posts I scroll past as a matter of principle because they are mostly hogwash, often deliberately and unnecessarily provocative, and seldom worth reading.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: DaveRo
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 04:44 AM

people are capable of forming opinions without me

True. But personally I'd like a reason for why I should bother to click a link, if only a sentence saying what it's about. In this case the link included 'brexit-eu-starmer-labour' which was not enough - there have been hundreds of articles on those subjects; why should I look at this one?

Absent a reason for clicking, I have only the identity of the poster. Some folk on here, I'd nearly always click their links. Others - never. You're - er - somewhere in the middle ;)

It also comes accross as lazy on the poster's part. If they don't spend any effort posting, why would I waste my time reading? And possibly fighting cookie banners and paywalls.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 04:39 AM

Oh, and 800 :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 04:38 AM

People do not form opinions because of other people's views, Dick, but some are interested in what you think. The whole point of a discussion is to exchange ideas and, to that end, it is pretty pointless just to post a random link with no indication of why you have done it. When you post a link it is just common courtesy to say what it is about and why you think other people may be interested.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 01:57 AM

people are capable of forming opinions without me givng mine, giving my opinion is unnecessary

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Oct 24 - 04:57 PM

Dave, it was this
Staggering cost of Britain’s Brexit divorce revealed – and there’s billions more to pay EU

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 08:00 AM

I posted this on the US Election thread too. It does cross boundaries

The odious Farage, who supports the orange one, is up in arms. It seems that even though he has spent time and money supporting Trump himself, no-one from the Labour party is allowed to support Harris. In the report is says "British allies of Trump drew a distinction between the actions of an opposition politician and the governing party." So, a very Trumpian one law for us and one for everyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 07:46 AM

Surely Andrew Bailey should be pulling his finger out, and printing about 3 billion £10 notes to Europe as settlement, making sure that the transactin does not appear on any officia treasury or bank of england record - then do the same to compenste (1) the treasury for loss of tax revnue form loss of access to overseas employees, and (2) loss of dorporation tax revenues form exports, and compensate us as well.... as long as the transactions are 'plain brown paper pages crammed full of banknotes' there is no economic impact.
RANT OVER

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Oct 24 - 06:06 PM

I do wish you wouldn't just post links without comment, Dick. We have no idea what it is and many people will not just follow random links. Please provide a description and the reason you are posting it. Prefereably with some view of your own too.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Oct 24 - 02:43 PM

LINK SOURCE INDEPENDENThttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-starmer-labour-b2630357.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-gb

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Oct 24 - 04:19 AM

Agreed. He certainly did some good things. Condolences to his loved ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Oct 24 - 03:38 AM

RIP Alex,
free prescriptions, free university tuition for Scottish students, scrapping bridge tolls,all good achievements

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 20 Oct 24 - 07:24 PM

A bit surprised, or maybe I’m not, that there has so far been no mention of the sudden death of Alex Salmond on 12th October while away in Macedonia. Whatever you may think of him and his politics, or the rather drawn out court case in more recent years, he was undoubtedly a hugely important figure on the Scottish political scene over a good many years. Controversy seemed to follow him around, even down to who should “Bring him home” for you Les Mis fans - should it be the RAF, the Scottish Govt, his travel insurers or, as happened in the end, a friend and private benefactor, Sir Tom Hunter.
RIP Alex, with thanks for all the positive things you did for Scotland : free prescriptions, free university tuition for Scottish students, scrapping bridge tolls, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Oct 24 - 11:15 AM

The trouble with carbs is that they suffer from zero hydrate,so they are diminishing in form

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Oct 24 - 11:08 AM

It's the carbs that are killing folks with diabetes. The government should provide a good high fat and protein diet to those folks by way of experiment and watch them get slim and healthy (more of a keto approach than a chemical approach). Great experiment, that one.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 15 Oct 24 - 10:13 AM

Now that I read the piece again a second, less choleric time, that medicine isn't quite as experimental as it seems; it's already used for Type 2 Diabetes.
But linking obesity to worklessness (and by implication, "fat and lazy", if I'm not taking too far a step) seems horrible; also, how voluntary exactly is this experiment going to be?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Oct 24 - 09:10 AM

I know a bloke called Les who is pretty miserable...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 15 Oct 24 - 03:22 AM

Raggytash, when I used Windows machines, I think the way to get acute accents was ctrl-alt-something and the vowel; however, looking it up, apparently it's now CTRL + ‘ (Apostrophe) + letter. On a Mac it's Option plus the letter.

Separately, I see to my astonished horror that the UK's current government plans to rent out the unemployed as guinnea pigs to a pharmaceutical giant "to get them back to work".
I'm all for people losing weight and getting fit; however, a mass grant of bicycles for the jobless, plus founding cycle touring clubs across the countries would do this in a more enjoyable and moral way.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Oct 24 - 03:47 PM

Backwoodsman, that Wiki page was quite an eye-opener. Thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Oct 24 - 02:54 PM

You are correct Thompson and if I had more knowledge about the use of keyboards .....................

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 14 Oct 24 - 02:41 PM

Les Misérables?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Oct 24 - 01:40 PM

"Back woodsman has made a valid point about attention to detail.
i am busy at the moment preparing a music lesson, and then i want to listen to les miserables, so i will give it a try , if you think i really need to"

You couldn't make it up or could "i" "Back woodsman" and I am pretty sure that "les miserables" should be "Les Miserables"

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Oct 24 - 01:16 PM

Gerrish sounds like an EU-hating nut-job. Best ignored.

Low-down on Brian Gerrish

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Oct 24 - 12:21 PM

Brian Gerrish, according to the internet has a dislike of fabians communists marxists etc, he is probably right wing anti establishment, he has not yet said much about immigrants, ,but he could be playing his cards close to his chest, extreme right wing conservative?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Oct 24 - 11:45 AM

I would try and approach their opinions with an open mind, i would still challenge everything they say, the same as if I was listening to BBC news.Back woodsman has made a valid point about attention to detail.
i am busy at the moment preparing a music lesson, and then i want to listen to les miserables, so i will give it a try , if you think i really need to

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 03:19 AM

”His Excellency Keir Starmer”

I dunno about propaganda, but I don’t trust a news organisation that is so slack in its attention to detail that it can’t even get the Prime Minister’s appellation right. As PM, he’s a member of the Privy Council, and thus the correct appellation is ‘The Right Honourable’.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 24 - 11:38 PM

Did you take a look, Dick? It's a UK site.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Oct 24 - 03:31 AM

Teacher asked little Billy to use "propagana" in a sentence

"I saw a really good bike in the shop the other day but didn't get a good look. Next time I pass I'll have a proper gander"

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Oct 24 - 02:36 AM

but don't trust news organizations. quote
And rightly so
all foreign political news is biased from the point of view of who is writing it whether it is USA CHINA RUSSIA, They all use political news as propaganda

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Oct 24 - 01:18 PM

That's pretty much the quick read I took on the site - down some conspiracy rabbit holes, but the "about" page suggests they want to be truthful but don't trust news organizations.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Oct 24 - 01:06 PM

The stretch of coast I visited was very laid back, Dick. I understand it is a loyalist area so what they would make of an Englishman of Polish decent that was brought up in Ukrainian orthodoxy, educated Catholic and anti-religion by choice I have no idea :-)

Stilly - I don't know UK Column but a quick lookup indicates that it is quite factual with most of its news but also aligns itself with right wing conspiracy theories. With that synopsis I would not trust them but maybe that is a bit blinkered. I dunno!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Oct 24 - 12:11 PM

I have a question and I'll try to remember to come back for the answer. Or someone can send a PM if it would start a squabble.

Where does a site like this - UK Column - fit in with some of your opinions regarding national and world politics from a UK perspective? https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-30th-september-2024 I was pointed to the site and landed on this recent story because a US friend was opining about an unnamed (but we all knew it was his ex-spouse) former friend who has taken a dark turn in her political views. A few minutes in she starts to speak; I didn't listen to the whole program, but enough to realize I know very little about some of this stuff from the UK perspective. Who politically would this group align with?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Oct 24 - 11:21 AM

Dave, I would not move to northern Ireland if i were you.I did not like the tension i experienced there

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Oct 24 - 09:48 AM

Oh, and just to annoy the Irish nationalists, the second largest island of the group, Ireland, is also part of the British isles. Nothing to do with politics or nationality - It is just a geographic classification :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Oct 24 - 09:45 AM

The official definition of the UK is not England, Scotlans etc. but the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. In turn, Great Britain is the biggest island of the British isles and comprises of England, Scotland and Wales. Thee British Isles are the set of islands off the north west coast of Europe! Just to confuse matters
:-D

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 11 Oct 24 - 09:31 AM

Dave, I'd like to think so, but who knows. Nations and alliances meld and separate like buckets of microbes, despite what their poets and lovers may wish.

Oh, and yes, I know what the UK is, curently: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Whereas Britain is England, Scotland and Wales. (Always spoken in that order; I wonder how this fits with the universal order of vowels in which it's always the big bad wolf and never the bad big wolf.)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Oct 24 - 08:38 AM

That's as may be Doug but a great issue was made about the different nations of the UK voting in different ways. The BBC Brexit results page is about the clearest I think - here

I was trying to clarify Thompson's question "Is Brexit mostly British or English?" and, on relfection, it is neither! You sum it up well with "The referendum was held in the UK" but I think Thompson needed clarification on what constitues the UK.

Your point about NI is true but is still a bone of contention for many. I visited Whitehead, just north of Carrickfergus, recently and it is a lovely stretch of coast. Do you think if I move there they will eventualy be classed as in the EU? :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 10 Oct 24 - 07:55 PM

Within those 4 nations only England and Wales voted to leave ....

England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland did not vote on whether or not to leave the EU. The referendum was held in the UK - a single entity. If the constituent countries are considered separately from the UK, then the Greater London region should also be considered as it had a larger electorate than Scotland and N. Ireland put together and voted 60%/40% to remain.

..... but, sadly, it applied to the whole of the UK.

Brexit is not being applied in Northern Ireland in the same way as in Great Britain. There is a de facto customs border in the Irish sea between NI and the rest of the UK.


DC

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 10 Oct 24 - 06:35 PM

Is Brexit only English and Welsh, then?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Oct 24 - 01:06 PM

The United Kingdom is actually the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It comprises of England, Scotland, Wales and, as mentioned, Northern Ireland.

Within those 4 nations only England and Wales voted to leave but, sadly, it applied to the whole of the UK.

Bearing that in mind, can you rephrase the question so it makes sense?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Thompson
Date: 10 Oct 24 - 04:29 AM

Is Brexit mostly British or English?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Oct 24 - 03:01 AM

The Labour party will lose the next election if they cannot clear up the mess they have been left, which includes the effect of Brexit