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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 04 Nov 23 - 03:34 PM

Donald Trump's daughter, Ivanka Trump, is set to appear at his New York fraud trial, and her evidence could be key

It's a long article but the headline on the news page list is: "Ivanka Trump tried and failed to avoid a court date. It could lead to big problems for her dad"


"Glenn Kirschner, a legal commentator who worked as a federal prosecutor for 30 years, says her efforts to avoid appearing could be a 'red flag' for the family.

"'I do think she represents the kind of danger to other Trump family members that perhaps the sons do not represent,' he told the ABC.

....

"Last year, she agreed to be interviewed by the congressional committee investigating the January 6 Capitol riots, giving testimony for eight hours.

“'She clearly, at least in the clips we saw, was unwilling to parrot or to mimic her father's lies,' Mr Kirschner says.

"In one of those clips, Ivanka said she accepted former attorney-general Bill Barr's conclusion that the 2020 election result wasn't affected by fraud.

"'What does that tell us? It tells us that she is not afraid to push back against her father,' Mr Kirschner says.

"'Might we see her sort of take a similar tack in this civil trial?'

"Another Donald Trump critic — his estranged and outspoken niece Mary Trump — is confident she will, saying: 'She's just going to tell the truth and throw him under the bus.'"


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 05 Nov 23 - 12:03 PM

Lighter said, "Today's CNN/NYT poll shows Trump leading Biden by several points in most swing states."

If you look at it a bit differently, the poll could simply show the preferred party, Republican v. Democrats. At present, Trump is presumed to be the nominated candidate for the Reps but it might not happen. Meanwhile, voters could simply be choosing between the parties. Unfortunately, whichever party is currently in power is often not the preferred party in polling results, i.e. the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

Personally, I think the big decider will be if Trump goes to prison. When it's decision time, hopefully a significant chunk of the voters will say they don't want a convicted criminal running the country. It's all what-ifs at present.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 08 Nov 23 - 12:02 PM

An interesting article:

Insulting a judge might seem like a strange strategy, but Donald Trump had a bigger plan for his day in court

IMHO, it is also worth looking at because of the first two images: the court illustration showing Trump doing the accordion fingers, and the photo in which he clearly looks stressed and/or worried, where for the majority of the rest of his life everything is like water off a duck's back to him due to his massive belief in himself.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 08 Nov 23 - 04:04 PM

Ivanka Trump tells New York fraud trial she had no role in Donald Trump's financial statements


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 18 Nov 23 - 09:19 PM

Yes but, It's a great way to watch him dig a big hole for himself.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 19 Nov 23 - 05:01 PM

Yes, SRS you are right. I just wonder if giving him freedom of speech might provide the final kick to get him into prison. Give him enough rope ....


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 08:30 AM

That convicted felon Flynn has the personality of a gila monster and   would be hard pressed to garner more than a few Democratic votes and without a sizable portion of those it would be impossible to gain the presidency. Maybe you're hallucinating again.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 03:17 AM

The BBC synopsis of the Republicans challenging Donald Trump

I don't know if it is a good summary so if anyone from the US can comment it would be useful


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 10:52 AM

Thanks Lighter


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Subject: BS: No new Trump threads PART III
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 23 - 01:29 PM

Don Jr. suffered amnesia on the stand in court.


BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads) is the older thread. --mudelf


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 06:44 AM

A quasi-religious dark horse like Gen. Flynn stands a better chance if Trump is unable to run than any of the announced candidates, in my opinion.

Like being late to sell your product for Christmas even Democratic challengers to Biden may be too late causing more harm than good and losing market share.

Who politically survives is still an open-ended question. I don't know if adding open antisemitism puts Republicans over the top or if Democrats will be the winning voice of reason. I am simply hopeful there are more healthy citizens than sick ones.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 08:09 AM

https://www.newsweek.com/roger-stone-wants-michael-flynn-run-president-2024-if-trump-doesnt-1589802


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 05:42 PM

IT WILL NOT BE THE CASE THAT TRUMP WILL APPEAR ON SOME STATE BALLOTTS AND NOT OTHERS.
Colorado and Minnesota are currently using section 3 of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution to remove Trump from the ballot because he committed insurrection against the Constitution and gave aid to other insurrectionists. The State cases will conclude BUT THE SUPREME COURT will then decide for all STATES.

What is insurrection against the Constitution? It is violating the executive vestment that a President will serve a 4 year term IF he is elected or re-elected. (It does not involve the storming of the Capitol or any other modus Operandi of insurrection)
Technically the Supreme Court could decide either way.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 06:22 PM

A better lawyer might argue the insurrection against the Constitution was the obstruction of Congress from certifying the vote on Jan 6.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 23 - 11:31 AM

Could Trump be so krazy as to pull a Netanyahu and abolish or ignore the Supreme Court? The Justices must decide if they want to risk Trump telling them "You're FIRED".


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Nov 23 - 06:33 AM

Carry on Stilly and Lighter.
With Mudcat behaving like a disappearing clipboard of server errors
this artist finds this site has died.
The footprints of ideas now vanish with daily tides.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 23 - 07:37 AM

* He'll win. There's nothing we can do.

I understand why that was said because a win will produce a cataclysm.
Why? Because TRUMP VOWS TO ROOT OUT VERMIN in his second term.
He said the vermin are Communists, Fascists, Marxists, etc. but you know he means his critics, Jews, Blacks, Democrats, and Immigrants.
He has included some of his lawyers and Generals in the Vermin Roundup. He vows a new wall around camps intended for incarceration and mass deportation. So I ask...
Are there any vermin here?


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 23 - 09:19 AM

I was one of the first that warned of this Nazi threat in which all the words and strategies of Trump come from Mussellini's black shirts and Hitler's brown shirts and Mein Kampf.

Vermin and poisoning the blood of our country are verbatim propaganda phrases coming out of the mouth of Trump that were used in the 1930's.

Country Club Republicans are still sleepwalking into the abyss.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 23 - 04:52 PM

They all started off in Queens which is the home turf of the Bonnano Mafia family. The Bonnanos ended up being the first mobsters to inform on each other to the FBI. After that other families fell like dominos.

Stilly are you intimating a possible lifespan for Donald?


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Nov 23 - 03:47 PM

I think she resigned on or near Donald's inauguration so an investigation would be discontinued.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Nov 23 - 06:45 PM

There are thousands of online hate groups and numerous sites that connect them.
There is more than 8 chan to connect violent book burning nazis but here is a smattering of hate groups besides Proud Boys;
Aryan Freedom Network
Atomwaffen Division
American Front
American Nazi Party
Aryan Brotherhood of Texas
Aryan Brotherhood
Aryan Circle
Aryan Nations
Aryan Republican Army
Battalion 14/Connecticut White Wolves[6][7]
The Daily Stormer
Identity Evropa
Libertarian National Socialist Green Party[8][9][10]
Maryland National Socialist Party[11][6]
National Alliance
National Socialist Liberation Front
National Socialist Movement
National Socialist Vanguard
National Vanguard
Nationalist FrontO
Patriot Front
Renegade Tribune
The Right Stuff
Rise Above Movement
The Order
Traditionalist Worker Party
Vanguard America
Nazi Low riders
Vanguard News Network[12][13][14]
Werewolf 88[15][16]
White Aryan Resistance
White Devil Social Club[17][16]
White Order of Thule[18]
Caribbean and South America

and this NPR broadcast https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/who-is-watching-the-hate-tracking-hate-groups-online-and-beyond/

This group vowed to take over the Republican Party in 2018. Identity Evropa
Nationalist Social Club
National States' Rights Party
NSDAP/A


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Nov 23 - 08:02 AM

I have personally seen the volume has been turned up to 10 on neo nazi and white Christian nationalist internet hate speech and propaganda,
This makes Trump's personal protestations practically moot.

The themes range from asking why Hitler got a bad rap or saying Hitler was a great leader who did a couple bad things, all the way to kill the Jews and vermin Democrats.

Even non fascist web sites like Quora are being deluged by pro Hitler questions and answers. The younger population is most responsible for this explosion.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 23 - 08:03 PM

I just wonder if giving him freedom of speech might provide the final kick to get him into the White House again.
As a former hypnotist, I know myths work, I know cults work. I know the bigger the social lie the more believable. The race myths work, the religious myths work, and even the internet troll lies work. It is reinforced by people's mistrust, fear, and a wanton need to know.   Liars are often those who seek power over their target. Myths override the obvious fallacies. To stand against that evil requires a response that looks like defensiveness. When such lies appear here they are simply deleted or erroneously closed. The crime of lying is called perjury in Court. Very rarely are government leaders punished for lying.

Short of armed conflict against the lie, is Art, literature and entertainment, The Enemy of the Liar is a truthful account of History.
Once the truth tellers are criminalized, the battle is over for years, decades or centuries.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 23 - 08:19 PM

The defense against the truth tellers is simple denial often combined with an alternative history of lies. What is the point of this obviousness? The truth you speak now can create a needful change while silence condemns everyone.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 23 - 08:36 PM

This is not a knee-jerk response but fear is the exact thing the Right wants you to feel to enforce a silence.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 23 - 08:43 PM

As a follow up in the handwritten postcard strategy endorsing non-authoritarian candidates, it resulted in 100% success in those elections.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Nov 23 - 05:36 PM

The editor on this wins the award for the best headline on the Internet today: Trump kid says the darnedest things: Donald Trump Jr. gives guarded, sometimes flip testimony at fraud trial

For those outside the US, in the 1950s to early 70's there was a Canadian transplant to US TV named Art Linkletter who hosted The Linkletter Show on which he frequently interviewed small children. The line "Kids Say the Darndest Things" became the catchphrase for those interviews and turned into some books later. Here's some of it (introduced by the now disgraced comic-rapist Bill Cosby, who used the concept for his own show at one point).


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 12:55 PM

Robert Reich has it right, pointing out that any votes for "third parties" such as No Labels are a vote for Trump. And that No Labels is intended to do just that, it is funded by the foul supporters of Trump, trying to siphon off Biden votes.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 08:06 PM

In an interview snippet heard today Michael Cohen ridiculed Eric Trump's testimony about not knowing the financial end, just "pouring the concrete" for the corporation. Cohen's response was that "Eric wouldn't even know how to mix Quikrete and water in a bucket."


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Nov 23 - 12:41 PM

The really scary part of all of this is that despite Trump's criminal charges and potential damage to the Constitution, there is a group of Democrats who are making a huge fuss about Biden's age. These two guys are a couple of years apart and Biden is a rational human being. And as a mature adult advancing into older age I find it rather offensive that the number is more important than the actual person, his health, his record, and his motivations.

Trump will not just chew up the scenery if he is reelected.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Nov 23 - 10:18 AM

Trump doesn't have "half the electorate." Polls are untrustworthy and they never are particularly accurate regarding Biden. Only the ballot box counts. Trump has a lot of already elected people scared of him so they go along with him, but he's losing his grip on them and their constituents. His endorsed candidates didn't do so well in this Tuesday's mid-term election because they are on the wrong side of the abortion debate for the electorate they want to serve. He favors chaos, and the next test will be when the US government might shut down if the new Speaker can't herd all of the cats. Trump thinks it's great if the government shuts down.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Nov 23 - 10:15 AM

Those polls are next to useless. Don't even give they oxygen.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Nov 23 - 11:25 AM

Apparently his older sister retired federal judge Maryanne Trump Barry has died.
Maryanne Trump Barry, a former federal judge who was an older sister of Donald J. Trump and served as both his protector and critic throughout their lives, has died. She was 86.

Ms. Barry died at her home on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, according to two people familiar with the matter. One of them said she had been found early Monday morning. Neither person specified a cause.

Ms. Barry, the widow of John Barry, a veteran trial and appellate lawyer, had been a federal judge in New Jersey, a position that Mr. Trump’s fixer, the lawyer Roy M. Cohn, was credited with helping her attain during President Ronald Reagan’s tenure. She retired from the bench in 2019, at a time when inquiries were brewing after a New York Times investigation into the family’s tax practices.

Mr. Trump seemed to heed the words of few people as much as he did his sister’s, according to confidants. But they had a significant fissure in their relationship in the final year of his presidency, when their niece Mary L. Trump, who was promoting a memoir about their family, released audio recordings of her aunt speaking critically about the president.

Mr. Trump, 77, who is the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination even as he faces dozens of criminal charges in four cases, has had a number of personal losses in the last several years.

His younger brother, Robert S. Trump, died in 2020, and the president held a funeral service for him at the White House. His first wife, Ivana Trump, died in 2022.

A spokesman for Mr. Trump did not respond to a request for comment.

The fact that Roy M. Cohn helped her get that position speaks volumes about the lack of ethics and the general criminal enterprise in which the family engaged.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Nov 23 - 05:30 PM

Nope. One of his major fixers is gone.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Nov 23 - 08:13 PM

An appeals court judge decided to lift the gag orders against Trump while it is under appeal (to the Supremes) and immediately after the personal attacks and invective flowed. If there was ever an illustration of why a gag order must be in place, he just made the case.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Nov 23 - 10:36 AM

Unfortunately, he attaches targets on the bodies, families, homes, and businesses of all of the people he is smearing with his attacks. It needs to stop. He belongs in prison.

Trump opened a Pandora's box that was simmering quietly but relatively under control. You're seeing the effect of his demagoguery.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Nov 23 - 09:01 AM

Gnome, the BBC piece is pretty good, though I've never heard of Binkley or Johnson.

Also, the article doesn't mention that Scott is the most outspokenly religious of the group and possibly even more anti-abortion than the rest.

De Santis is also noted for insisting on business as usual in Florida
during COVID. No masks needed, no nothing. He's even appointed a Surgeon General who's told Floridians not to get a COVID shot.

Vivaswamy tries to be a mini-Trump in every way, including insults and
inflammatory claims.

As for spine and judgement in general, consider this. At the first debate they were asked whether they would support Trump if he were the nominee *and* convicted of one or more felonies.

Everybody but Hutchinson and Christie (old-school Republicans, though both were cozy with Trump for two or three years) promised they would.

Now *that's* scary.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 05 Nov 23 - 07:31 AM

Only slightly off-topic:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/queeg-factor-223932088.html


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 05 Nov 23 - 09:13 AM

Or that he'd be so popular nearly three years after Jan. 6, that his image could be used to sell cars.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 05 Nov 23 - 11:10 AM

Krazier and krazier:

"'We won, the last time, 50 states, think of it, 50 states,' he told the Freedom Summit, outside Orlando, Florida. "'We won every state.'"


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-claims-won-50-states-152719454.html

Today's CNN/NYT poll shows Trump leading Biden by several points in most swing states. Typical Trump supporter comment: "When he was president, prices were lower and we didn't have any of these wars." (My paraphrase.)


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 05 Nov 23 - 11:40 AM

"Agenda 47":


https://www.barrons.com/news/agenda-47-what-trump-has-promised-if-he-wins-in-2024-79bb3dd9


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 12 Nov 23 - 07:48 AM

Get this:

Only 32% of voters say Biden has the mental sharpness and stamina to be president.

But 54% say it about Trump.


https://www.axios.com/2023/05/07/biden-trump-age-electionoll

One reason: Trump's sycophantic cable "news" channels (not just FOX) that continually depict Biden as frail, weak, and "demented," while playing up Trump's supposed toughness, vigor, and brains.

Also the fact that so many other Americans say they get their "news" from "social media."


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 13 Nov 23 - 08:27 AM

Besides "Communists, Fascist, and Marxists," he specifically focused on "radical left thugs that live like vermin in the confines of our country."

He also promised to place rounded-up illegal immigrants in "camps."

Even the business-oriented, conservative Forbes Magazine noted the resemblance to Nazi (that's the word Forbes used) rhetoric.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Nov 23 - 06:16 AM

Unfortunately, those Democrats that are refusing to close ranks happen to be right. Another year for Biden to increasingly show his age. More months of ructions and splits in the party over Israel. Split parties never win (unless you can conceal the splits, which is not happening). Put as brave a face as you like over those swing state polls but they are a great big red warning sign that Biden isn't the man.   Nothing currently being thrown at Trump will (a) put him in jail, (b) reduce his popularity. Yeah, they're both old men, but one old man looks and sounds like an old man whilst the other looks like he hasn't changed much. Whether or not that sounds offensive to you or me isn't the point. It's all about what your electorate takes on board. We all like Biden and if I lived over there I'd campaign for him. But Trump has half the electorate in his pocket already and the arithmetic is all going in his favour. Unless you can get him over January 6, he's your next president, God help us.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 23 - 09:49 AM

Sam Levine in today's Guardian:

Hillary Clinton has compared Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler as she offered a blunt warning about the dangers of a second Trump presidency.

Trump back in the White House, Clinton said during an appearance on ABC’s daytime talkshow The View on Wednesday, “would be the end of our country as we know it, and I don’t say that lightly”.

The former first lady, senator and secretary of state said: “When I was secretary of state, I used to talk about ‘one and done’. What I meant by that is that people would get legitimately elected and then they would try to do away with elections, and do away with opposition, and do away with a free press.”

Then Clinton added: “Hitler was duly elected. All of a sudden somebody with those tendencies, dictatorial, authoritarian tendencies, would be like ‘OK we’re gonna shut this down, we’re gonna throw these people in jail.’ And they didn’t usually telegraph that. Trump is telling us what he intends to do.”

Clinton’s comments came days after a Washington Post report detailing how Trump is discussing how to use the justice department to investigate political rivals and former allies who have been critical of him should he return to the White House. He is also discussing invoking the Insurrection Act on his first day in office, which would allow him to use the US military domestically to quell protests and dissent, something he was talked out of by military leaders during his one-term presidency.

Trump’s team is also preparing to staff a potential administration with more radical rightwing lawyers who are less likely to stymie efforts to get in his way as he pushes the bounds of presidential power, the New York Times reported...

...Clinton gave a clear warning.

“Trump is telling us what he intends to do,” Clinton said on The View. “Take him at his word.”


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 23 - 06:50 PM

Yeah, polls are untrustworthy. Keep living in hope.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Nov 23 - 08:13 PM

A completely deluded and dangerous idiot has just been elected in Argentina. He's been hailed by Trump. Populism is alive and kicking. Be very afraid.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Nov 23 - 08:38 AM

Just a random comment here:

I limit my access to the ongoing news coverage to
radio soundbites, selected newspaper articles.
Don't do social media or television.

When Trump became President seven years ago,
I made a decision to avoid listening to the sound of his voice.
So I was constantly switching the volume of the radio,
to be sure I didn't hear Trump speaking.

Yesterday I had the car radio on, and it was advertisement time.
So on comes an advertisement for a local auto dealer,
one who routinely uses humor in their advertisements.

THe commercial had an imitation Donald Trump shilling for the dealer.
I was truly startled by the leaden vocal delivery.
I mean, I knew it must be bad, but never before now
did I know that Trump speaking was THAT bad.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 12 Nov 23 - 07:01 AM

There's three ways to look at this:

* He'll fail. We don't need to do anything.

* He'll win. There's nothing we can do.

* He may win. FIGHT.

It's a situation those of us in England are all too familiar with in carefully-gerrymandered parliamentary constituencies.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Nov 23 - 12:04 PM

I lost faith in my military-industrial government when I was a kid.
The 3 reasons why we're the traumatic murder of JFK , preposterous cover stories for UFOs and the destabilization of Chile.

Today the folks at the CIA and FBI who committed those actions are dead but the ideology is still alive but growing weaker.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Nov 23 - 04:12 PM

Donald Trump Rages at His Enemies in Furious Thanksgiving Message
Donald Trump went after his political enemies in a Thanksgiving message posted on Truth Social on Thursday.

The former president focused his attacks on those involved in his civil fraud trial as well as on President Joe Biden.

He wrote: "Happy Thanksgiving to ALL, including the Racist & Incompetent Attorney General of New York State, Letitia 'Peekaboo' James, who has let Murder & Violent Crime FLOURISH, & Businesses FLEE; the Radical Left Trump Hating Judge, a 'Psycho,' Arthur Engoron, who Criminally Defrauded the State of New York, & ME, by purposely Valuing my Assets at a 'tiny' Fraction of what they are really worth in order to convict me of Fraud before even a Trial, or seeing any PROOF, & used his Politically Biased & Corrupt Campaign Finance Violator, Chief Clerk Alison Greenfield, to sit by his side on the 'Bench' & tell him what to do; & Crooked Joe Biden, who has WEAPONIZED his Department of Injustice against his Political Opponent, & allowed our Country to go to HELL; & all of the other Radical Left Lunatics, Communists, Fascists, Marxists, Democrats, & RINOS, who are seriously looking to DESTROY OUR COUNTRY.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 23 Nov 23 - 04:45 PM

If you had no context at all, you'd have to conclude that the writer was completely off his rocker.

It's like the screeds you're occasionally handed by mentally ill people on the streets of a big city.

But since it's Trump, it's OK for a lot of people. Tens of millions in fact.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Nov 23 - 06:26 AM

”If you had no context at all, you'd have to conclude that the writer was completely off his rocker.”

Even with the full context, that is my conclusion, and has been since 2015. And I strongly doubt I’m alone in that conclusion.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Nov 23 - 08:53 AM

We expect voting disinformation. The public affairs Council says;
42% of social media is disinformaton
40% news media
32% Republican candidates
28% Democrat candidates
20% Super Pacs
11% Foreign governments
6% Major Companies


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Nov 23 - 09:00 AM

Who do we trust?
68% say friends and family !?


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Nov 23 - 09:09 AM

We'd better not confuse "disinformation" with "misinformation." "Disinformation" is losing its original, crucial meaning, maybe because it sounds new and cool and precise.

Misinformation is simply mistaken.

Disinformation, though, is intentional and methodical. In other words, lies and other forms of deceit conveyed for a larger purpose.

Mixing the two together, if deliberate, would itself count as "disinformation."


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Nov 23 - 09:29 AM

tru-nuff

Lyrics
We're not gonna take it
No, we ain't gonna take it
We're not gonna take it anymore
We've got the right to choose, and
There ain't no way we'll lose it
This is our life, this is our song
We'll fight the powers that be, just
Don't pick on our destiny, 'cause
You don't know us, you don't belong
We're not gonna take it
No, we ain't gonna take it
We're not gonna take it anymore
Oh, you're so condescending
Your call is never ending
We don't want nothin', not a thing from you
Your life is trite and jaded
Boring and confiscated
If that's your best, your best won't do
Woah-oh-oh
Woah-oh-oh
We're right (yeah)
We're free (yeah)
We'll fight (yeah)
You'll see (yeah)
Whoa-whoa, we're not gonna take it
No, we ain't gonna take it
We're not gonna take it anymore
We're not gonna take it
No, we ain't gonna take it
We're not gonna take it anymore
No way!
Woah-oh-oh
Woah-oh-oh
We're right (yeah)
We're free (yeah)
We'll fight (yeah)
You'll see (yeah)
We're not gonna take it
No, we ain't gonna take it
We're not gonna take it anymore
We're not gonna take it (no!)
No, we ain't gonna take it
We're not gonna take it anymore (just you try and make us)
We're not gonna take it (come on!)
No, we ain't gonna take it (you're all worthless and weak)
We're not gonna take it anymore (now drop and give me 20)
We're not gonna take it (a pledge pin)
No, we ain't gonna take it (on your uniform)
We're not gonna take it anymor


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Nov 23 - 09:20 PM

I'm so indicted
I just might bite it
I had more votes than him and now I'm indicted
So it's decided
I was...misguided?
They know, they know, they know, they know, they know, they got you, they got you

I'll get a lawyer, and I won't take chances
They're gonna offer me some kind of deal
Just plead exterminating circumstances
Or maybe like Cohen, I will squeal

Right now I'm freakin', leakin'
Right into my trousers
If I tattle, that'll
Lead to both of you
Don't go that trail
I'm too cute for jail

Don't be short-sighted
Then help me fight it
Well, if we have a good excuse, hey, I think they'll buy it
Hey, let's all try it...

I am not a crook
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, I did not organize an insurrection, Mission accomplished


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Nov 23 - 12:19 AM

He's going to be on the stand again soon, in very early December. The last witness called in the case. He can drive the last nail in the coffin lid of his family "fortune."


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Nov 23 - 11:41 AM

I see another ruling has gone against him.

Keep 'em coming!


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Nov 23 - 01:41 PM

Yup. The gag order is back. I hope he chokes on it.

New York judge brings back gag order on Donald Trump in civil fraud trial


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Nov 23 - 06:31 PM

Piece today from RawStory:

'Jail is next': Mary Trump cites expert saying her uncle is heading for prison
Donald Trump’s niece Mary called up an attorney to get his take on the New York appellate court’s recent ruling to uphold Judge Arthur Engoron’s gag order — and she said it looks bleak for her uncle.

“Donald will be in jail very soon,” Joe Gallina told Mary Trump, she told her substack subscribers Thursday.

She then wrote, “Knowing Donald personally, I fully agree.”

Engoron — the judge overseeing Trump’s $250 million civil court trial — instated the limited gag order last month to stop the former president from targeting his staff on social media. It was put on hold while Trump appealed, but was reinstated Thursday.

In a later filing, Engoron explained that he and a law clerk Trump accused of bias had received credible death threats.

When the appeal court's ruling came through Thursday, Engoron vowed to enforce the gag order with vigor.

“I intend to enforce the gag orders rigorously and vigorously,” Engoron reportedly said in court. "I want to make sure that counsel informs their clients of the fact that the stay was vacated."

The limited gag order does not protect speech against Engoron or his wife, which Trump quickly tested by sharing since-debunked social media posts he falsely claimed came from the judge’s wife.

Mary Trump, a psychologist, argues Trump won’t be able to prevent himself from pushing the gag order envelope further.

“Donald’s massive ego and insecurity make him unable to follow this order,” she writes. “When he is under pressure, he has zero self control.”

And Gallina believes the situation will likely escalate to jail time because Trump has already faced two fines — which amounted to $15,000 — for violating the gag order's limits.

“He was ALREADY warned about possible imprisonment – not once, but TWICE,” Gallina told Mary Trump. “He is out of chances.”

"Jail is next." added Mary Trump.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Dec 23 - 02:44 AM

There was also the thing about failing to get possession of documents relating to the Jan 6 committee. The judge said Trump's Lawers were just on a "fishing expedition".


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 23 - 06:53 AM

By the letter of the law Trump did not insult members of the court as outlined in the gag order instead, he went after the judge's wife claiming she posted something nasty, which she did not in any way shape, or form.

A gag order is very specific so in a sense, Donald did not violate the gag order but his abuse was designed to inflame both his believers and the judge. Trolls like Trump probably feel proud to skirt the rules but still accomplish misinformation. Call it clever or evil but it is typical narcissist behavior.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Dec 23 - 11:15 AM

The GOP majority in the House is down by one - Santos is out. House votes to expel indicted Rep. George Santos from Congress
The New York Republican is now just the third lawmaker since the Civil War to be expelled from the House of Representatives.

The irony here, of course, screams out loud: Santos did the same thing Trump did. Trump is still the candidate but Santos' lying and cheating got his ass kicked out.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 23 - 11:32 AM

The Santos saga is an example of the failure of the press and media.
It took 11 months to get rid of the narcissistic psychopathic liar since he was not properly vetted before his election.
Ding dong the bitch is dead. He skedaddled right before the expulsion vote to avoid being frog-marched out of the building. Among his many lies and thefts of campaign funds I found laughable was his Los Vegas marriage and honeymoon.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Dec 23 - 06:42 PM

A vote for a "third party" is a vote for Trump. Case in point:

Guess Who Came to Dinner With Flynn and Putin
NBC News reviewed video and photos from a 2015 Moscow gala that Mike Flynn was paid $45,000 to attend to see who else was in the room.

Putin will still be pushing for Trump to win, quite possibly harder than before. His getting to keep huge swaths of Ukraine depend upon it.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 23 - 07:21 PM

A vote for a third party may just be vote for who you want to win. To say you should vote for someone who will help Trump to lose adds up to a democratic deficit. My parliamentary constituency is North Cornwall. It's been held in the past by the Liberal Democrats, who I revile. In recent years it's been held by the Tories, who I revile even more. Far more, in fact. My sentiment is to always vote Labour, but here in north Cornwall Labour never stand a chance of taking the seat. I could shut my eyes and vote Labour as a matter of principle. Or I can decide to vote Lib Dem in the hope of keeping the Tories out. The thing is, in a democracy, that should be my decision, unhindered by anyone else telling me how to vote for whatever reason, including tactically. I don't want to be told that a vote for Labour is a wasted vote, or that if I vote Labour it will let the Tories in. In a democracy, the ballot box is the final call. Trying to sway me one way or the other at the ballot box is improper unless you know that I've been apprised in detail of the policies of all sides. After all, good democracy depends on a knowledgable electorate making informed choices.

As it happens, I vote for the Lib Dems here every time. I don't want the Tories in, so I vote and hold my nose. But if a LibDem candidate told me to vote for them in order to keep the Tories out, I'd very rapidly tell them where to shove it.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Dec 23 - 09:23 PM

A vote for a third party may just be vote for who you want to win.

No, Steve, it doesn't mean that, and stop acting like we don't know what we're talking about here. If you vote for a third party candidate who has no chance in hell to win, then that vote doesn't go to Biden. It supports Trump.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Charmion
Date: 02 Dec 23 - 11:33 PM

The Westminster-style parliamentary system enjoyed by both Britain and Canada accommodates third and even fourth parties without angst because coalition-forming is normal. It’s too different from the American two-party congress to be fully comparable.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Dec 23 - 11:58 AM

Liz Cheney's perspective:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-liz-cheney-book-blasts-221143621.html


And don't miss:

https://newrepublic.com/article/177249/2024-trump-presidency-sleepwalking


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 23 - 12:02 PM

I'm not acting like anything, Maggie, and there's no need for that kind of hostility. I'm saying that no-one should be telling you to vote tactically, because telling you to do that is undemocratic. But it's perfectly democratic to vote that way if you so choose without pressure to do so from someone else (which is what I do). In democracies, discussion of the merits or otherwise of the contenders is the proper democratic way to persuade people. We fight long and hard for democracy and we should keep it that way. There's far too much ignorance among the electorate in your country, my country and lots of other western countries, and cynical exploitation of that ignorance is rife, which is why Trump and Johnson and the idiot in Argentina are possible. With an educated electorate there's no need to go down the slippery slope of saying, if you vote for A you'll let B in. We can work that out for ourselves and large numbers of people will do it anyway.

Charmion, national coalitions are not the norm in the UK. We've had just the one in my lifetime, the disaster of 2010 to 2015 which shat on working people, the health service and schools and which sowed the seeds for brexit.


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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Dec 23 - 12:12 PM

Trump has again expressed disbelief that Biden isn't being charged for the few Top Secret documents found in his old office. Frank Figliuzzi blows a hole in that sentiment.

Former FBI official blows a hole in Trump's latest stolen document defense
The former FBI official responded, "Unlike Trump, who was aware for at least 16 months that the U.S. government wanted its documents back, Biden told reporters that he was 'surprised' to learn of the classified documents and didn’t know what was in them," before pointing out, "Importantly, Trump is accused of suggesting that his lawyer “hide or destroy” the classified documents, and instructing Walt Nauta, his personal assistant who is also indicted, to relocate and conceal boxes of the government documents. Some of that hide-and-seek movement was captured on security video obtained by the FBI in July 2022."

Adding, "Trump’s indictment cites multiple instances when he took specific actions to attempt to hide, conceal or tamper with evidence. Again, Trump’s reported conduct starkly contrasts with Biden’s reported conduct," Figluzzi suggested Trump had no reaction to former Vice President Mike Pence also getting a pass from the DOJ for also retaining documents which he quickly returned.


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