Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 24 - 01:05 PM

For those unfamiliar with Dante's Inferno the outer Layers of hell only deal with sins of appetite but the deepest pit of hell is only for those who have committed FRAUD.

Words are nourishing and enlightening but may also be used for malice and destruction. At the center of hell reserved for fraudsters, there are separate pits of fire for politicians and priests or other con men.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 24 - 01:55 PM

if the turnip is behind bars in 2029 then maybe the incoming residency should declare the election result retrospectively null and void and reverse EVERY turnip action not just directly domestically but every action indirectly worldwide.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Nov 24 - 11:35 AM

What will happen in the next 4 years will be Trump appointees living in luxury on the taxpayers dime with impunity much like Herman Goering. With an AG like Bondi what do you expect?

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Nov 24 - 10:28 AM

I heard a summary of the Jack Smith work with the Justice Department. The way he wrapped up these cases and the way judge Chutkan ruled (without prejudice) Trump can't touch them but they can be revived after this term. It's a long wait till 2029, but with the computer resident calendars these days go ahead and make a note of it. We'll see what happens in the next four years.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Nov 24 - 02:35 PM

Despite Trump so far is not getting jail time but he was indicted and found guilty of crimes (in civil and criminal courts). And his co-conspirators have suffered various defeats at the hands of state and federal governments.

Rudy Giuliani was found guilty in a federal court, this gist of it here:

The former New York City mayor was in federal court in Manhattan on Tuesday to discuss his continuing failure to give up nearly $11 million worth of personal assets. The forfeiture was meant as a down payment on the $148 million Mr. Giuliani owes to two Georgia election workers for defaming them by claiming, without evidence, that they had helped to steal the 2020 presidential election.

The gist of this article (behind a paywall) is that Giuliani's attorneys asked to be released from the case for an "unspecified “professional ethics” concern" and he has a new attorney. The new attorney wants more time to prepare for turning over Rudy's assets to the two women who won the case against him. Why the delay? Rudy wants to attend Trump's inauguration events in D.C. in January. The judge says no.

There is stuff in a storage locker on Long Island that the storage facility owner isn't letting the representatives for the women into. And Rudy hasn't relinquished his car and his real estate. Part of Rudy's problem is that he has some stuff being disputed with an ex-wife.

The important feature of this discussion is that this is federal court, and chances are that the ethical problem his former attorneys ran up against is that Rudy is hoping that if he delays long enough that Trump will pardon him once in office and make a lot of this go away. So getting possession of these things now is prudent. Vital, even.

Rudy Giuliani Loses His Lawyers, and His Cool, in Court
The subject of several cases, the former New York City mayor lashed out at a judge questioning why he had not forfeited

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Nov 24 - 03:36 PM

Donald Trump's Nov. 26 sentencing in hush money case on hold as prosecution due to weigh in

If Trump ever faces a sentencing hearing, [Juan] Merchan has a wide set of options, including not imposing a sentence, ordering community service, or sending Trump to prison.

It's an open legal question, however, whether Merchan could impose restrictions that apply during Trump's presidency, or even in the few months before. No president-elect has been facing sentencing while approaching office, so courts have never ruled on what is permissible before.

Regardless, Trump's election victory is a major boon to him when it comes to his criminal cases. The Justice Department is weighing how to proceed with its two federal cases in light of the election. Justice Department policy states that a sitting president can't be criminally prosecuted under the Constitution.

Ah, Juan, take it for a spin. See what happens if you sentence Trump to prison now.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Nov 24 - 12:57 PM

He will fight it and probably die fighting - but at least sentence the creep! Georgia's trials are going to be delayed till 2029.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 20 Nov 24 - 12:49 PM

I'm placing my bets on him choking on a cheeseburger, or any other fast-food related medical catastrophe, e.g. heart attack, aneurysm, stroke etc.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Nov 24 - 10:51 AM

Looks like Trump is close to achieving his true purpose in running for President again - to stay out of jail. I recall a few of us saying a long time ago that Trump will never go to jail. Sadly, it’s beginning to look as though we were probably right.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 20 Nov 24 - 07:22 AM

First thought when I heard about the delayed sentencing: "They found his grandchildren."

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Nov 24 - 07:46 PM

Now they're talking about possibly freezing the sentencing in New York until after Trump is out of the White House. Will someone please grow a set and sentence him now. Get it over with and show the world that he is indeed a convicted felon.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Nov 24 - 11:50 AM

Jack Smith has his crew finishing all of their work and he's completing his report to the AG and plans to leave before Trump is sworn into office.

I suspect Biden could be writing some private pardons in case Trump makes life hell for political opponents and prosecutors.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Nov 24 - 10:22 AM

Dick, this thread is about Trump's legal problems. Let's follow the legal cases here and stop speculating on Vance and Israel.

A sentence would be something that would no doubt be set aside by a state judge on appeal. Trump in jail isn't going to happen, probably ever, since Judge Cannon tanked the most concrete case of his misbehavior. He won't let anyone else get enough information on him going forward (because he'll declassify everything he wants to keep). He can't avoid the expenses he has incurred already but he'll figure out how to enrich himself while he's in office. If in two years the house and senate change hands then he might be held accountable. But it didn't happen that way the last time. We're just stuck with the criminal class in the White House and world leaders are lining up to pour money into his coffers. An unserved prison sentence will be a footnote on his Wikipedia page.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Nov 24 - 03:39 AM

Yet another possibilty Trump decides to improve conditions for prisoners as he is likely to be affected

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Nov 24 - 03:22 AM

would it not make more sense to give him harsh financial penalties plus prevent him from running his enterprises, removing or cutting presedential salary

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Nov 24 - 11:05 PM

Would Trump be allowed to make decisions from a prison cell?

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 09 Nov 24 - 09:20 PM

Bring it on!! :-D

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Nov 24 - 09:11 PM

This thread is still here and open. And Letitia James, the AG of NY congratulated Trump - kind of - but made it clear he isn't going to walk all over them. The next couple of weeks might be interesting. There are some bills coming due for Mr. Trump that he can't pardon himself out of.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 24 - 05:29 PM

Trump can run but he can't hide his past bad behavior, Jack Smith has seen to that and Judge Chutkan concurs. Even if the Trump folks manage to get some of today's information excluded, it is out there in the world.

Special counsel Jack Smith provides fullest picture yet of his 2020 election case against Trump in new filing

A federal judge in Washington, DC, has released the most comprehensive narrative to date of the 2020 election conspiracy case against Donald Trump, outlining what special counsel Jack Smith describes as the former president’s “private criminal conduct.”

The 165-page document comes from Smith’s office and is the fullest accounting yet of evidence in the election subversion case against Trump.

Throughout the document, Smith argues that the actions Trump took to overturn the election were in his private capacity – as a candidate – rather than in his official capacity, as a president. That argument flows from the Supreme Court’s decision in July, which granted the former president sweeping immunity for official actions but left the door open for prosecutors to pursue Trump for unofficial steps he took.

”At its core, the defendant’s scheme was a private one,” prosecutors wrote in the motion. “He extensively used private actors and his campaign infrastructure to attempt to overturn the election results and operated in a private capacity as a candidate for office.”

The filing weaves together what prominent witnesses told a federal grand jury and the FBI about Trump, along with other never-before-disclosed evidence investigators gathered about the former president’s actions leading up to and on January 6, 2021.

Releasing the motion, which was previously filed under seal, is the latest major development in Smith’s longstanding effort to prosecute Trump for actions he took to overturn the 2020 election, even as the former president is seeking a second term in a tight race with Vice President Kamala Harris. The case, which has already reached the Supreme Court once, has repeatedly been delayed as Trump has attempted to push off the prosecution until after the next month’s election.

Here is the 165-page document if anyone wants to read it.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 24 - 06:15 PM

When I navigate to the site in the cologne link above my Fakespot browser extension pops up and cautions "Potential Seller Issues" and "Limited Internet Presence." Ha. Just limited because of this new site. Anyway, it seems to be a suitable warning for the site.

Trump is entangled with christian nationalist activists who have supported his causes in several venues. In particular the Supreme Court. Here is a Mother Jones article by Rob Schenck, a former member of the group.

My organization, Faith and Action in the Nation’s Capital, had created an initiative we called “Operation Higher Court” that trained wealthy couples as “stealth missionaries,” befriending Thomas and his wife, Ginni; Samuel and Martha-Ann Alito; and Antonin and Maureen Scalia—­lavishing­ them with meals at high-end restaurants and invitations to luxurious vacation properties. Alongside these amenities, our ministry offered prayers, gift Bibles, and the assurance that millions of believers thanked God for the decisions this trio of justices rendered on abortion, health care, marriage, and gun ownership. . . . When President George W. Bush nominated Roberts for chief justice, I was in a private box seat at the Senate confirmation hearing. At Alito’s confirmation, I was the guest of Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, the three-time Senate Judiciary Committee chair. And when Donald Trump chose Neil Gorsuch after Scalia’s death, not only was I present for the hearing, but a month before, I had coordinated prayers for Gorsuch and his family in a nearby chapel. On more than one occasion, I knelt in prayer alongside Mike Pence (when he was a member of Congress from Indiana) and other lawmakers in the vanguard of the new right.

Sometimes it takes a while for all of the penny to drop for folks in these organizations. This is a long read, so far I've skimmed it but will go back to read closely this evening. From Schenk, "My change of course so late in life has been painful, disorienting, and costly."

It took two years to extract myself. I dismantled the organization I had spent more than two decades building, walking away from a multimillion-dollar donor base. ­I called countless people to explain why I was leaving the movement I’d helped lead. ­I reached out to others to beg their pardon for the harm I had inflicted. I repented in prayer for my errors and the damage they caused. Then, I privately dedicated the rest of my life to doing as much repair as possible.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 28 Sep 24 - 10:20 AM

> the new Trump cologne

Good grief: he's selling his bottled farts. "This too was a vanity, an a striving after wind" (Ecclesiastes)

.... Does one buy that with a gag order?

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 27 Sep 24 - 06:00 PM

And have you tried the new Trump cologne?

https://gettrumpsneakers.com/products/fight-fight-fight-cologne-for-men

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 24 - 11:36 AM

Someone should tell him that his family jewels are showing . . .

CNN pretty well covers it in their headline Trump hawks $100,000 watches as he leverages his candidacy for profit

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 27 Sep 24 - 11:15 AM

> Trump watches

Thought 1: Do they have Mickey-Mouse hands?

Thought 1a: .... or just small ones?

> Trump watches

Thought 2: I sincerely hope he doesn't.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 27 Sep 24 - 09:21 AM

How about Trump watches? Collect 'em all!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/09/27/donald-trump-launches-collection-branded-watches/

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part II
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Sep 24 - 12:00 PM

Trump is still trying to find that golden ticket, the piece of merchandise that will make him rich. Donald Trump drops more campaign merch: A silver 'Trump Coin' priced at $100
Former president Donald Trump announced the sale of a $100 limited edition silver coin that has his 'beautiful face' on it.

While the "God Bless the USA Bible" is fairly accessible, Trump's "Never Surrender" high-top sneakers have become difficult to find for the shoe's retail price of $399. To purchase the shoe, buyers would have to look on eBay and other online marketplaces. One eBay user listed a pair of Trump's sneakers for a buy-now price of $9,900.

Trump's MAGA hats have been popular among his supporters since his initial campaign in 2016. Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner wrote in his memoir that the MAGA hats earned the Republican candidate's 2016 campaign up to $80,000 per day, the New York Post reported.

The good thing about that $9,900 pair of shoes on eBay? Chances are that is sold by a collector, to a desperate Trump fan. Trump won't see another penny from that pair of shoes. The bling is presumably marketed as a separate revenue stream for the Trump family while he uses political donations to pay his legal bills.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 23 Sep 24 - 08:45 AM

> " .... Both are new to the crypto[currency] industry."

The trade term for them is "marks". Every poker table has at least one sucker sitting at it: if you can't see them, go look in a mirror.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: keberoxu
Date: 18 Sep 24 - 06:56 PM

My mistake, it looks more like late November.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: keberoxu
Date: 18 Sep 24 - 06:39 PM

Today is September 18 and before the postponements, this was to be a big day for one of the criminal cases.
But because of the postponement, the big day is December something.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Sep 24 - 12:00 PM

Trump may be engaging on this next criminal enterprise: Crypto currency.

This article comes from Wall Street On Parade, a newsletter run by Wall Street watchdogs Russ and Pam Martens.
As Trump Launches a Crypto Firm, FBI Reports Crypto Fraud Has Exploded to $5.6 Billion; Representing Almost 50 Percent of All Financial Fraud

Last Thursday, the Senate Banking Committee held a hearing on combating financial frauds against consumers. During the hearing, Senator Jon Tester of Montana held up his mobile phone and said: “Everyday, everyday, I either get an email or a phone call from somebody who’s trying to screw me out of my money.”

According to the FBI, it is highly likely that a large number of the people trying to screw both you and Senator Tester out of your money are crypto fraudsters. On September 9, the FBI released its 2023 report on crypto fraud, which made the following findings:

“In 2023, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) received more than 69,000 complaints from the public regarding financial fraud involving the use of cryptocurrency, such as bitcoin, ether, or tether. Estimated losses with a nexus to cryptocurrency totaled more than $5.6 billion.”

“While the number of cryptocurrency-related complaints represents only about 10 percent of the total number of financial fraud complaints, the losses associated with these complaints account for almost 50 percent of the total losses.”

“The decentralized nature of cryptocurrency, the speed of irreversible transactions, and the ability to transfer value around the world make cryptocurrency an attractive vehicle for criminals, while creating challenges to recover stolen funds.” (Bold emphasis on the word “irreversible” was added by Wall Street On Parade.)

“Once an individual sends a payment, the recipient owns the cryptocurrency and often quickly transfers it into an account overseas for cash out purposes.”

These transactions are instant and irrevocable. Just the kind of fraud that Trump loves.

The FBI report breaks down the amount of financial fraud by age group, with the finding that people over 60 years of age are the number one target for crypto fraudsters. These seniors account for $1.6 billion of the $5.6 billion lost to crypto fraud in 2023, or 29 percent of the total.

Given the increasing role that crypto is playing in fraud against the most vulnerable citizens in the U.S., one has to seriously question Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s decision last evening to announce that he and his family are launching a crypto firm called World Liberty Financial.

That said, here's a clue to their involvement:

“A copy of an early internal report, known as a white paper and obtained by CoinDesk, listed Barron [Trump] as ‘Chief DeFi Visionary,’ Eric and Donald Jr. as ‘Web3 Ambassadors,’ and Trump Sr. as ‘Chief Crypto Advocate.’

“But while the Trumps will receive compensation from the project, the platform itself is ‘not owned, managed, operated or sold’ by members of the Trump family.

“[Steve] Witkoff, a real estate investor, and Eric Trump, executive vice president of the Trump Organization, are the two people calling the shots at World Liberty Financial, according to a person familiar with the project. Both are new to the crypto industry.”

Training his youngest to start the family grift businesses early.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Sep 24 - 11:56 AM

The federal government. They have their hands full with enough other trials right now that probably nothing new will emerge, at least for the time being.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Sep 24 - 10:47 AM

'scuse my ignorance but if the judge ruled that they were not in the states remit, can he be tried elsewhere for those charges?

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Sep 24 - 08:07 PM

The judge removed three counts that involved perjury or false statements that fall under federal jurisdiction.

NBC News:

The original 41-count indictment accused Trump and several of his allies of a broad scheme to overturn the results of the 2020 election in Georgia, but the case has been stalled for months as an effort to disqualify the top prosecutor remains on appeal.

Judge Scott McAfee upheld a challenge to the sweeping racketeering charge Thursday but wrote in his decision that certain counts involving allegations of filing false documents should no longer go forward because they belong in federal, not state, court.

“Because Counts 14, 15, and 27 lie beyond this State’s jurisdiction and must be quashed, the Defendants’ motions to dismiss the indictment under the Supremacy Clause are granted in part,” McAfee wrote.

There's still plenty to try his fat ass on.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Sep 24 - 04:22 PM

The Georgia case, regarding election interference, originally had
13 charges against Donald Trump. Several have been thrown out,
but there are still 8 counts remaining (ABC News).

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Sep 24 - 11:49 AM

I have no links, but there have been interesting comparisons in the news
of the two judges in two different cases --
the hush-money case and the election-interference case --
and how very differently they are handling their schedules.
One judge is erring on the side of caution by delaying the sentencing;
the other judge is dismissive of the whole election situation.

Not to mention the civil case about the sexual abuse/defamation
which brought Trump into court in person this week.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Sep 24 - 12:55 PM

In Deciding When to Sentence Trump, Judge Faces ‘Impossible’ Task
Justice Juan M. Merchan has tried to treat Donald J. Trump like the hundreds of other defendants whose fates he has decided. But his decision could alter American history.

This is a gift article from my NY Times account so you should all be able to read the whole thing.

“The judge is in an impossible situation, and one that doesn’t lend itself to easy comparisons,” said Charles Geyh, a law professor at Indiana University Bloomington who specializes in judicial conduct and ethics, adding that Justice Merchan’s decision would carry “historical implications.”

While Mr. Trump has already been deemed a felon, if Justice Merchan postpones his sentencing until after the Nov. 5 election, the American people will vote without knowing whether Mr. Trump will spend time behind bars.

A delay would also reward the stalling tactics Mr. Trump has deployed throughout the case, and feed the very impression the judge has labored to dispel — that the former president is above the law.

Tuning out the political noise will be a tough job when it is a full cacophony.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Sep 24 - 06:09 PM

The news is reporting again about Judge Chutkan and that she has granted Trump one request - that he doesn't need to attend the new arraignment on election interference (fraud) charges (to be filed again by Jack Smith). Judge Chutkan Grants Donald Trump's First Request Since New Indictment

To paraphrase the old saying, the US courts grind slowly (with so many obstacles thrown in the way by Trump) but they grind exceedingly fine. It's going to do more than just pinch when all is said and done.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 02 Sep 24 - 10:43 AM

Yes, but then the ultimate torture would be watching the Secret Service guys eating burger and fries while he only gets to eat prison slop.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 02 Sep 24 - 09:33 AM

> a glass-fronted cell

Be careful what you wish for, Helen. In Sam Coates's podcast (The Rest Is Politics) this morning, there was a horrible screaming match between two cats: the one that Sam's the staff for, and next door's ("his nemesis," said Sam). They were apparently nose-to-nose and giving it everything, in the sure and certain knowledge that the pane of glass between them meant that neither would have to actually follow through with claws.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 02 Sep 24 - 06:46 AM

That thought crossed my mind too, MaJoC, but even better would be a glass-fronted cell like his hero, Hannibal Lecter.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 02 Sep 24 - 05:50 AM

Are they about to finally find a use for Gitmo Bay :-) ?

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Sep 24 - 11:37 AM

We are into uncharted territory, since no other US presidents have been put on trial, let alone come this close to being imprisoned. Many argue that Dubya should have been sent to The Hague for war crimes for Iraq; he is at least guilty of following really bad advice from the hawks in his administration. But even there, he was in the realm of "normal human being." Trump in prison - they may need to restore and reopen some abandoned facility that is run jointly by the State (he was tried and convicted in New York) and the Secret Service. There's an interesting thought exercise! (Let's continue to keep this focussed on Trump. The Bush mention was for illustration purposes only.)

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 31 Aug 24 - 06:17 PM

And I wonder what life is like for his security guards. Are they contemplating how their possible time in jail will be, accompanying a felonious Trump.

I'm also wondering whether Trump is very busy in the background, attempting to squirrel away as many of his assets as he can to try to prevent too much in financial penalties. He must be thanking his (very strange) god for those campaign donations.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Aug 24 - 04:05 PM

More about that development from The Hill

The court, in its notice, claimed the filing was “deficient,” according to the docket. It has been sent back to the attorneys because they failed to attach written permission from the court or prosecutors, per the note to his attorney Emil Bove.

“The filing is deficient for the following reason(s): the PDF attached to the docket entry for the pleading is not correct; the wrong event type was used to file the pleading; Court’s leave has not been granted; the order granting permission to file the pleading was not attached,” the notice reads.

So it looks like they may refile after the holiday with the correct attachments and the right size PDFs.

Trump is still trying to get the hush money case set aside claiming there are official "presidential acts" that were shown to the jury.

The "Court's leave has not been granted" is an interesting phrase.

Meanwhile, I wonder what life is like for Trump's parole officer?

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: keberoxu
Date: 31 Aug 24 - 11:00 AM

The Trump team request for a delay to the September 18th sentencing has been rejected, mostly on technicalities (Newsweek).
Of course there is going to be an appeal and all, but I hope they get the sentencing overwith already. it's been long enough.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 28 Aug 24 - 04:33 PM

Thanks for that explanation, Stilly. I have read a few reports and seen a couple on TV and it was a bit confusing. Trump's reliance on his literal "get out of jail free" card from the Supreme Court is hopefully on shaky ground.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Aug 24 - 12:04 PM

Special Prosecutor Jack Smith isn't backing down after the Supreme Court gave Trump vast power to evade prosecution. The original Jan. 6 indictment that was stalled while a question went to the Supreme Court was 45 pages; the new one, that was run past a new grand jury, is 36 pages. It pares down the accusations and removes the bit from Trump tangling with the Justice Department over a lot of the Jeffrey Clark stuff. Instead of calling him President Trump it refers to him in his role as Candidate Trump to distinguish that what he was doing on Jan. 6 wasn't presidential. This document is called a superseding indictment.

Trump indicted again in election subversion case brought by Jack Smith
The 36-page indictment, secured Tuesday by the special counsel, is an attempt to recalibrate the case after the Supreme Court’s immunity decision.

Both sides face a Friday deadline to propose next steps to U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, the Biden appointee who is overseeing the proceedings in the trial court. Chutkan has scheduled a Sept. 5 hearing to set a course for the case.

Trump pleaded not guilty to the initial indictment and has repeatedly decried the prosecution as a political vendetta. After the new indictment was unveiled on Tuesday, Trump called it “ridiculous” in a post on his social media site, Truth Social.

“For them to do this immediately after our Supreme Court Victory on Immunity and more, is shocking,” Trump wrote.

Trump thinks he got a "get out of jail free" card from the Supreme Court - and it's close to that, but he has committed so many crimes that this current indictment was still possible.

The new indictment seeks to rely on a distinction the Supreme Court drew between a president’s private actions (which can be the subject of criminal charges) and actions that stem from a president’s official powers (which now carry a large degree of immunity).

In an apparent bid to downplay any connection between Trump’s official duties and his bid to overturn Joe Biden’s victory, the new indictment repeatedly emphasizes the political and personal nature of many of the actions Trump took during the post-election period and on Jan. 6, 2021.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Aug 24 - 12:59 PM

The Manhattan DA is deferring to Judge Merchan if he wants to go ahead with September sentencing or postpone till after the election. At Trump's request, of course. It's time Trump faced the music, let's hope Merchan goes forward and sentences him to prison time. No one deserves it more than the Donald.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Aug 24 - 12:05 PM

The Georgia case has several well-deserved convictions already but hit a wall with the Supreme Court decision that presidential "official acts" couldn't be used as evidence in cases. Willis didn't help herself in being involved with a coworker, though that was settled and set aside.

Clearinghouse: Georgia Election Interference Case

The E. Jean Carroll case appeal should be happening soon. E. Jean Carroll seeks to expedite Trump’s appeal of verdict from first defamation civil trial

Lawyers for E. Jean Carroll have asked a federal appeals court to expedite Donald Trump’s appeal of the verdict in their first trial in which a jury awarded Carroll $5 million in damages after finding Trump liable for defamation and battery in May 2023.

Carroll wants to see the oral arguments for the appeal scheduled to take place by July, arguing that the former president will try to further delay the proceedings, using his ongoing criminal trial or busy campaign schedule as an excuse.

The motion with the 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals filed Tuesday cites Trump’s numerous attempts to delay both trials with Carroll as a signal that he’s likely to drag out the appeal.

“Donald J. Trump has demonstrated a clear pattern of dilatory, obstructionist, and bad faith conduct throughout these proceedings. With the pendency of the general presidential election campaign (which will intensify in the fall), not to mention several active state and federal criminal proceedings, Mr. Trump may well contend that any oral argument scheduled for later in 2024 must be deferred until early 2025 – at which point he could be preparing for an inauguration or awaiting another criminal trial,” the motion says.

Carroll's attorneys asked for July but it looks like the hearing is on Sept. 6. In a meeting that gives just 10 minutes per side to speak I don't know if this is to arrange a bigger hearing or if this is the whole thing, in a nutshell.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Aug 24 - 09:39 PM

Here's the Just Security Clearinghouse to keep track, if you've exceeded your freed Forbes articles this month. That Forbes article gives some interesting information; the Clearinghouse has a lot more court appointments that Trump has to keep track of.