Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 10 Jan 25 - 01:29 AM

I briefly glimpsed his sourpuss face at President Carter's funeral. I expect his sourpuss face will be the same in the Courtroom.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 25 - 01:15 AM

Get your popcorn ready - the Supreme Court didn't let him dodge the sentencing. He'll have to be there Friday morning (Jan. 10, 2025) to get an earful from Judge Merchand.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jan 25 - 03:53 PM

From MSNBC about the upcoming sentencing hearing:

Judge Merchan’s critics had two main questions: Wouldn’t this punishment amount to a slap on the wrist, undermining the rule of law? And why couldn’t the judge wait and leave the sentencing hanging over Trump’s head until after he left office in four years, when his presidential immunity no longer applied?

It’s not the usual situation a judge finds himself in when sentencing a convicted defendant. But the Supreme Court gave Trump immunity no one else possesses: broad immunity from criminal prosecution for a president’s official acts. The criminal conduct in the Manhattan case occurred before Trump became president and was clearly personal, not presidential, conduct. Trump used the Supreme Court’s ruling last year to delay his sentencing date to a point so close to the inauguration that a sentence including incarceration was no longer a realistic possibility.

But something more important than the sentence is at stake here: the conviction. Judge Merchan underlined the importance of the jury’s decision in his order. “The significance of the fact that the verdict was handed down by a unanimous jury of 12 of Defendant’s peers, after trial, cannot possibly be overstated,” he wrote. “Indeed, the sanctity of a jury verdict and the deference that must be accorded to it, is a bedrock principle in our nation’s jurisprudence.”

A couple of paragraphs later it explains how to avoid Trump wiping the slate of these convictions:

The key to making sure Trump can’t wipe out the jury’s verdict is completing the appellate process. The conviction isn’t final until then. The clock for the appeal starts once sentencing is complete. Once Trump is sentenced, he has 30 days to file. If Judge Merchan had put off sentencing until 2029, Trump's conviction would not be on the path to becoming final.

The article is Trump asks Supreme Court to stay his sentencing. Judge Merchan was right. They have a paywall but when it pops up I open the article with the Just Read browser extension (in Chrome or Firefox) to read it.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jan 25 - 04:33 PM

Judge Cannon has jumped into the fray again to prohibit Jack Smith from sending his report to Attorney General Garland (sending it to an appeals court and says it can't be released for 3 days after that court decides - she must be looking at her calendar and figuring Trump will squash it himself after that). I find myself wondering if Garland can't "trump" her move on this and ask for the report. Must look into it.

It's time for a well-placed leak about now.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Jan 25 - 03:30 PM

In the meanwhile, I am wondering if
Rudolph Giuliani expects Trump to pardon him and clear him of everything.
Giuliani was in the courtroom this week with his attorney.
He has been found in contempt of court,
as he is two months behind in surrendering his property.
When asked about what was still outstanding,
Giuliani held up a pocket watch and was ready to surrender that.
It would be amusing if it wasn't for real.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 04 Jan 25 - 05:39 PM

An interesting article about how easy, or not-so-easy it will be for Trump to achieve his calamitous future goals. The numbers in the House and the Senate are very close and not all Republicans are lining up with his policies and projects.

Republicans control the new Congress. But it could still obstruct Trump's plans

"A new US Congress has assembled, and the Republican Party now has a majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate.

"That's a gift to president-elect Donald Trump, who will need the support of Congress to fully implement his MAGA agenda.

"But the tight numbers present challenges for Trump in both chambers.

In the Senate, his plans face being stonewalled by the much-maligned 'filibuster'."
"
And in the House of Representatives, a few rebel Republicans have already defied Trump, albeit briefly, in their first vote."

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 04 Jan 25 - 05:27 PM

Bring it on! :-D

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jan 25 - 04:35 PM

But he is going to give Trump and earful and it will prove the case is concluded and Trump is in fact a convicted felon. Will Trump fight it? Does the pope wear a beanie?

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Jan 25 - 02:05 PM

The sentencing is January 10, before the inauguration.
And the judge said he is not inclined to jail time.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Dec 24 - 12:39 PM

He lost his attempt to set aside the judgement against E. Jean Carroll. We still haven't heard what Merchand plans to do about the sentencing. The trial isn't completely concluded until there is a sentence pronounced.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Dec 24 - 12:19 PM

Greenland has fun cities like Disko and lots of water to bottle.
Fiskenaesset/Qeqertarsuatsiaat on the southwest coast has rubies of many different colors.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 31 Dec 24 - 09:18 AM

Just think of all that Lebensraum.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Dec 24 - 05:52 AM

Trump was looking at a Mercator map and saw how Greenland would double the size of the US.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Mr Red
Date: 31 Dec 24 - 05:27 AM

US flags will fly at half-mast when Trump is inaugurated.

one more of Jimmy Carter's legacy.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Dec 24 - 01:16 PM

Andy Borowitz satire column for xmas day.

Profile in Ignorance: Eric Trump

Testifying during his dad’s civil fraud trial in New York last November, Eric seemed, in fact, to be workshopping material for a Netflix comedy special. He claimed to be in the dark about the workings of The Trump Organization, despite being the Executive Vice President of The Trump Organization. Summarizing his role in this business, he said, “I pour concrete,” suggesting that he prepared for his testimony by binge-watching “The Sopranos.” He denied all knowledge of the company’s financial statements, an assertion that was somewhat undermined when the prosecution produced emails in which he discussed them. "In a family full of people who dissemble, and are profoundly unsophisticated and ignorant,” Trump biographer Timothy O’Brien told MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell, “Eric Trump is unusually ignorant and unusually unsophisticated.”

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Dec 24 - 04:29 PM

I remember when it was considered a good thing for a politician to have convictions Convictions JPG

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 24 - 04:08 PM

She's only off until it is appealed and then we learn if she is restored to the case or not. Since it isn't going anywhere at the moment, it is moot. And she caught a lot of little fish in her net.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Dec 24 - 01:46 PM

Trump gets to walk away free but the co-conspirators are still accountable unless their appeals succeed. Maybe Trump could still be accountable when he is out of office but it is not a sure thing.
The mess is not cut and dried but is ongoing.
Fanni is officially off the case but is still a prosecutor by election.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 24 - 12:50 PM

The case isn't gone, just the decision so far that she shouldn't be on it. She'll appeal that.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 24 - 10:53 AM

It wasn't dismissed. Unless something has happened this morning, and it still had nothing to do with her relationship, thought Trump will always grasp at straws.

He isn't being dropped from the NY cases. They're still in limbo till he's out of office.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Dec 24 - 10:11 AM

Trump's case of election interference in Georgia is dismissed because the Prosecutor Fanni Willis had sex with a lawyer on her staff.
Somehow this was called a conflict of interest against Trump.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 24 - 08:49 PM

Welcome to the age of intimidation, threat, and fear.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Dec 24 - 08:40 PM

In Timothy Snyder's On Tyranny his first lesson is short: Do not obey in advance.

These corporate types (and it seems that Iger at Disney is the one who made the call about the ABC settlement - they were on solid news-reporting ground but Disney, that owns ABC, doesn't want to piss off Trump) are rolling over like lap dogs, just letting him have his way before he's even in office.

This is Danegeld, plain and simple. And it never kept the Vikings away.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 24 - 08:25 PM

Judge denies throwing out NY conviction over immunity claim.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Dec 24 - 06:14 PM

TRUMP WINS 15 MILLION DOLLAR LAWSUIT against ABC for 'lying' defamation. Conservative Clear Channel billionaires bought ABC so it is a possible ruse to go after other journalists and media with precedent.

Trump has vowed to prosecute Bob Woodward, 60 Minutes, the Pulitzer Prize Committee and others.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Dec 24 - 05:37 AM

Trump says he'll likely pardon Jan. 6 rioters while Congressmen who investigated riot should be jailed.

This would give his brown shirt militias political power.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 24 - 04:43 AM

I think you have a point there, Doug.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 09 Dec 24 - 04:18 AM

If the system couldn't manage to get him sentenced in the last four years, I don't hold up much hope for anything after his next term as President is over. It will be ancient history by then. Most people won't care, one way or the other.

DC

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 24 - 03:23 AM

Aaaaahh! Didn’t know that. Knowing him though, he’ll probably change the rules when he’s finished building New Gilead. :-O

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 09 Dec 24 - 02:37 AM

Ah yes, BWM, except as I recall he can only pardon himself on Federal cases and not any of the State cases.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 24 - 02:28 AM

I hope you’re right, Helen, but I have a sneaking suspicion that he will by then have pardoned himself and all his cohorts, and those cases will simply die. That’s if he doesn’t die first.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 08 Dec 24 - 11:21 PM

Hopefully he will think all the cases have been swept aside and when his Presidential term is ended they will all come tumbling around him in a chaotic jumble and he will be in a state of massive, overwhelming shock. That's what I'm hoping, anyway.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Dec 24 - 10:56 PM

There are still cases against him, but he acts like there aren't.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Dec 24 - 05:23 PM

Keeping the memory alive that this is the case. We need to explicitly remember, lest we forget by accident, that there's an unsettled account.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 08 Dec 24 - 04:46 PM

Is there any point in continuing a "Trump CONVICTED" thread when he is is not going to suffer any consequences for his actions, at least not for the next four years?

DC

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Dec 24 - 11:11 AM

Right now it seems akin to when the Catholic church had two popes - Trump just can't wait his turn.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Dec 24 - 09:19 AM

Minor observation while watching last night's coverage of the pre-rededication ceremonies at Notre-Dame de Paris:

Attendees included the Great and Good and assorted heads of state, plus Agent Orange and Agent X. I (and the cameras, despite their best efforts) noticed that Agent Orange had been seated next to Emmanuel Macron. Presumably Agent Orange thought it meant he was being honoured, though he got bored quickly enough; Herself observed that he was being sat next to Teacher, as he couldn't be trusted to behave properly in church. And lo, Madame Macron was seated the other side of him --- and she's a teacher.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Dec 24 - 01:05 PM

For those unfamiliar with Dante's Inferno the outer Layers of hell only deal with sins of appetite but the deepest pit of hell is only for those who have committed FRAUD.

Words are nourishing and enlightening but may also be used for malice and destruction. At the center of hell reserved for fraudsters, there are separate pits of fire for politicians and priests or other con men.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 24 - 01:55 PM

if the turnip is behind bars in 2029 then maybe the incoming residency should declare the election result retrospectively null and void and reverse EVERY turnip action not just directly domestically but every action indirectly worldwide.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Nov 24 - 11:35 AM

What will happen in the next 4 years will be Trump appointees living in luxury on the taxpayers dime with impunity much like Herman Goering. With an AG like Bondi what do you expect?

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Nov 24 - 10:28 AM

I heard a summary of the Jack Smith work with the Justice Department. The way he wrapped up these cases and the way judge Chutkan ruled (without prejudice) Trump can't touch them but they can be revived after this term. It's a long wait till 2029, but with the computer resident calendars these days go ahead and make a note of it. We'll see what happens in the next four years.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Nov 24 - 02:35 PM

Despite Trump so far is not getting jail time but he was indicted and found guilty of crimes (in civil and criminal courts). And his co-conspirators have suffered various defeats at the hands of state and federal governments.

Rudy Giuliani was found guilty in a federal court, this gist of it here:

The former New York City mayor was in federal court in Manhattan on Tuesday to discuss his continuing failure to give up nearly $11 million worth of personal assets. The forfeiture was meant as a down payment on the $148 million Mr. Giuliani owes to two Georgia election workers for defaming them by claiming, without evidence, that they had helped to steal the 2020 presidential election.

The gist of this article (behind a paywall) is that Giuliani's attorneys asked to be released from the case for an "unspecified “professional ethics” concern" and he has a new attorney. The new attorney wants more time to prepare for turning over Rudy's assets to the two women who won the case against him. Why the delay? Rudy wants to attend Trump's inauguration events in D.C. in January. The judge says no.

There is stuff in a storage locker on Long Island that the storage facility owner isn't letting the representatives for the women into. And Rudy hasn't relinquished his car and his real estate. Part of Rudy's problem is that he has some stuff being disputed with an ex-wife.

The important feature of this discussion is that this is federal court, and chances are that the ethical problem his former attorneys ran up against is that Rudy is hoping that if he delays long enough that Trump will pardon him once in office and make a lot of this go away. So getting possession of these things now is prudent. Vital, even.

Rudy Giuliani Loses His Lawyers, and His Cool, in Court
The subject of several cases, the former New York City mayor lashed out at a judge questioning why he had not forfeited

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Nov 24 - 03:36 PM

Donald Trump's Nov. 26 sentencing in hush money case on hold as prosecution due to weigh in

If Trump ever faces a sentencing hearing, [Juan] Merchan has a wide set of options, including not imposing a sentence, ordering community service, or sending Trump to prison.

It's an open legal question, however, whether Merchan could impose restrictions that apply during Trump's presidency, or even in the few months before. No president-elect has been facing sentencing while approaching office, so courts have never ruled on what is permissible before.

Regardless, Trump's election victory is a major boon to him when it comes to his criminal cases. The Justice Department is weighing how to proceed with its two federal cases in light of the election. Justice Department policy states that a sitting president can't be criminally prosecuted under the Constitution.

Ah, Juan, take it for a spin. See what happens if you sentence Trump to prison now.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Nov 24 - 12:57 PM

He will fight it and probably die fighting - but at least sentence the creep! Georgia's trials are going to be delayed till 2029.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 20 Nov 24 - 12:49 PM

I'm placing my bets on him choking on a cheeseburger, or any other fast-food related medical catastrophe, e.g. heart attack, aneurysm, stroke etc.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Nov 24 - 10:51 AM

Looks like Trump is close to achieving his true purpose in running for President again - to stay out of jail. I recall a few of us saying a long time ago that Trump will never go to jail. Sadly, it’s beginning to look as though we were probably right.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 20 Nov 24 - 07:22 AM

First thought when I heard about the delayed sentencing: "They found his grandchildren."

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Nov 24 - 07:46 PM

Now they're talking about possibly freezing the sentencing in New York until after Trump is out of the White House. Will someone please grow a set and sentence him now. Get it over with and show the world that he is indeed a convicted felon.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Nov 24 - 11:50 AM

Jack Smith has his crew finishing all of their work and he's completing his report to the AG and plans to leave before Trump is sworn into office.

I suspect Biden could be writing some private pardons in case Trump makes life hell for political opponents and prosecutors.

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Nov 24 - 10:22 AM

Dick, this thread is about Trump's legal problems. Let's follow the legal cases here and stop speculating on Vance and Israel.

A sentence would be something that would no doubt be set aside by a state judge on appeal. Trump in jail isn't going to happen, probably ever, since Judge Cannon tanked the most concrete case of his misbehavior. He won't let anyone else get enough information on him going forward (because he'll declassify everything he wants to keep). He can't avoid the expenses he has incurred already but he'll figure out how to enrich himself while he's in office. If in two years the house and senate change hands then he might be held accountable. But it didn't happen that way the last time. We're just stuck with the criminal class in the White House and world leaders are lining up to pour money into his coffers. An unserved prison sentence will be a footnote on his Wikipedia page.