Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 24 Jan 24 - 08:53 PM The Republican primary results simply tell what Republican voters think of the Republican candidates. The democratic vote between the final candidates in November will show what voters want. It ain't over until the obese orange one whinges in November. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 24 Jan 24 - 07:54 PM A Trump voter in NH explained why he'd still support Trump in November even if he's convicted of felonies. Can you guess the answer? "Because all the charges are phony and any conviction would eventually be overturned by the Supreme Court." |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Dave the Gnome Date: 24 Jan 24 - 06:03 PM Once again I hope that in November you will say "I told you so". But it's not just the view from the UK. A lot of the world press is fearing the worst and I have relatives in the US who are making tentative arrangements to move in with us while they look for a house here next year! |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Jan 24 - 05:34 PM The view from the UK is so pessimistic. And wrong. And you don't listen to us, telling that Trump doesn't have a chance in hell of winning. He's pushing all of the boundaries he can, but in the end, cheaters won't prosper. Ignore the polls, and ignore what Trump himself says (but believe him when he tells you how he would behave). |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Dave the Gnome Date: 24 Jan 24 - 05:25 PM He is going to be your next president. I do hope I am wrong but I can't see any other outcome. I am sorry for you and fear for the rest of the world. :-( |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Jan 24 - 05:24 PM Mother Jones posted on Threads today that if they run headlines about Trump from now on they will appear like this: Florida Man Facing 91 Criminal Counts Wins New Hampshire Primary Donald Trump defeats Nikki Haley. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 24 Jan 24 - 05:18 PM An interesting analysis of Nikki Haley's possible chances and strategies and Trumps' (predictable) anger at not getting a higher result: Donald Trump's anger in New Hampshire followed a primary win that exposed some weakness |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Jan 24 - 10:49 AM The Sanctimonious one has withdrawn, leaving Nikki Haley as the last woman standing, except she's a Trump toady who has said she will pardon the bastard if he is convicted, leaving him to roll around golf courses the rest of his life. He belongs in prison, and she can go work in some 9-5 office where she isn't causing any harm. My first Biden/Harris political purchase should arrive in the mail today. A t-shirt. I don't put bumper stickers on the car, I don't want it keyed, but I can pick and choose where to wear the shirt. :) |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 22 Jan 24 - 09:12 AM After one whole term of being lazy Like an old man he's half asleep Now it seems that he's half crazy but is mean as a lieing creep Trump is not a new sensation He's done pretty well I think But this half-ton imitation is circling down the sink He's wild again, beguiled again A simpering, whimpering child again Bewitched, bothered, and bewildered is he He's alot like villain John Wilkes Booth When he tweets he decrees what our eyes should see Bewitched, he's allergic to the truth Lost the vote, but so what of it He is old I agree He can laugh, and we love it Although the laugh's on me Pastors sing to him, folks bring to him Donations for lawyers that cling to him Bewitched, bothered, and bewildered is he He's a fool and don't I know it But a fool can have his charms He's confused and he really shows it Revenge will be his harm He's the same old sad sensation Lately I've not slept a wink Since this half-ton imitation Washed rights down the sink He's sinned a lot; I mean a lot He's like a repeat craven felon Bewitched, bothered, and bewildered is he The fringe loves him, but I CRINGE from him Some worship the red tie that clings to him Bewitched, bothered, and bewildered is he When he talks, he is seeking Hatred to get off his chest with his word salad speaking, he's at his very best Vexed again, perplexed again As God, he wants us obcessed again Bewitched, bothered, and bewildered is he Wise at last, my eyes at last Are cutting him down to size at last Bewitched, bothered, and bewildered no more Burned a lot, we've learned a lot And now he thinks he beat Barak, Bewitched, bothered, and bewildered no more For all we know he is dyspeptic Sanity is a real no go I hope the election's antiseptic I hope he's locked in Mar Lago Donald Trump, finis, your chance, finis Those ants that invaded our House, finis Bewitched, bothered, and bewildered no more |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 21 Jan 24 - 05:12 PM Ron DeSantis withdraws from Republican presidential race, endorses Trump "Ron DeSantis announced his withdrawal from the race on social media "He finished a distant second behind former president Donald Trump in last week's Iowa caucuses "Nikki Haley is now the last Republican in the contest with a shot of denying Mr Trump the nomination" The article also analyses DeSantis' campaign issues and failures. Donuel said, "OK I understand that Christians chose a magic Jew as their Messiah but why did they choose a narcissistic atheist for their second coming?" but I think you are missing the obvious. In my opinion, he's not the Second Coming, he is the Anti-Christ. It fits with his narcissistic personality and his power plays and his manipulation of facts into lies. And he didn't raise people from the dead, he sent a huge number to their deaths by COVID. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 21 Jan 24 - 03:43 PM OK I understand that Christians chose a magic Jew as their Messiah but why did they choose a narcissistic atheist for their second coming? |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 21 Jan 24 - 08:32 AM A good cognitive test would be to have Nikki, Joe, and Donald as contestants on Jeopardy. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 21 Jan 24 - 08:22 AM My opinion is that while Trump is exceedingly stupid he knows that a lie does not have to be good or believable but merely denounces someone else. The more he is castigated for his lies, the more grievance points he believes he has. It's the old bad press is good press by staying in the news. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 20 Jan 24 - 11:00 AM Apropos of cognitive functioning: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-aced-cognitive-test-incorrectly-051229367.html |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Jan 24 - 10:42 AM From yesterday's Washington Post: A ‘whale’ of a tale: Trump continues to distort cognitive test he took The Montreal Cognitive Assessment, a test aimed at detecting dementia or cognitive decline, never included the combination of animals Trump identified this week I particularly like the quote Experts also note that the assessment is not an I.Q. or intelligence test, though Trump has often talked about it as if it was. The irony about the whole age debate is that Biden is a good weight, eats a healthy diet, and has all of his marbles. The stammer occasionally rears it's head to make some of his speech halting, but he's the one people worry about? They can't see past the mess of Trump's pancake makeup and hair gel. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 19 Jan 24 - 05:19 PM He can still recall five items in order...with hesitation. There is still suspense about whether The Donald is headed for the White House or the Big House. Better minds than mine believe the Supream Court will NOT take up the Colorado ballot case. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: keberoxu Date: 19 Jan 24 - 02:43 PM The latest report is that Trump made a speech and sounded more incoherent than usual. Kind of reminds me of "covfefe." Remember that one? |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Jan 24 - 02:24 PM In the State of Georgia cases against Trump and his allies, it seems DA Fani Willis, a single woman, was dating a separated man who is divorcing his wife. She hired him (at some point - before or after the relationship began?) and it seems his separated wife has decided to get even and is working with Trump attorneys to smear Willis. Not sure if this is a report or an opinion piece, but here are some details to sort through: Fani Willis Just Made a Critical Mistake, Legal Analyst Warns |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 19 Jan 24 - 01:46 PM The Supreme Court was supposed to be apolitical and just decide on the interpretation of the Constitution and settle lower court disputes. BUT things have changed along with the growth of corruption. IF the USA only relied on the popular vote, Democrats would have won the last 7 presidential elections and the Republicans only one. Republicans have relied on becoming loophole masters and legislating litigation to maximize Republican votes by minimizing Democrat votes via voter suppression. How would I try to make the system more fair for people who are not billionaires? I would nationalize money that is laundered in the USA and do a Robin Hood for the 'poor'. The biggest laundry of dirty money is in the USA. Russia launders its money in Cyprus. The king of laundered money is in the State of Deleware and a few northern western States via shell companies. The Panama Papers were the blueprint for this hidden money scheme from the records of a law firm that enabled the system. I'm sure I wouldn't last long after I removed the billionaire's stash. I might even pay off most of the national debt with the left over cash if I could elude hired assasines. This plan has its risks. Besides billionaires might then look to China to launder their cash. They already do with Chinese super lockdown warehouses for billionaire hard goods. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Jan 24 - 10:01 AM This is one reason why people are still talking about expanding the court (to dilute the Trump effect) and also putting as much pressure on Clarence Thomas to 1) resign in disgrace or at least 2) recuse himself because his wife was involved in the Jan. 6 stuff. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 19 Jan 24 - 08:58 AM Trump and his attorneys are using every strategem in the book to delay these trials. It seems quite unlikely to me that any but the current civil cases will be decided before the election. But it may not matter. Trump's followers are certain that all these cases are "election interference" and that any convictions will be overturned by the Supreme Court. As I've mentioned, such appeals can take several years. If Trump is re-elected, he will suspend all the investigations and trials. His unique claim - on no legal basis whatever - that he has and deserves "absolute immunity" may eventually erode some of his popularity. It's a long way to November. Right now, though, he's neck and neck with Biden - and more popular as a public figure. Makes you think. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 19 Jan 24 - 08:30 AM What Lighter calls ‘murky’, and Don calls ‘cut and dried’, I call ‘confused and confusing’. Although nothing to do with UK, it’s a fact that the election of a US President has a huge effect on us in the UK, and on the rest of the world. All the reporting I see here in the U.K. seems to suggest that none of these cases will come to fruition before the Election, that Trump will be the Republican candidate again, and he will subsequently become 47. I fear for the US and I fear for the world. Please, Dog, let me be wrong… |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 19 Jan 24 - 08:19 AM What you call murky I call cut and dried. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 19 Jan 24 - 08:07 AM Trump hasn't been charged with "insurrection." But the 14th Amendment doesn't say who determines whether he did so engage. The states? Congress? The Supreme Court? It's all very murky. He was charged with inciting an insurrection in his second impeachment but was acquitted by the Senate. Impeachment is a political, not a judicial, procedure. He could still be charged criminally - and at the time of his acquittal, McConnell, Graham, McCarthy, and others insisted that he should be. What changed their minds and turned them back into ardent supporters is unclear. The current charges against Trump in the 1/6 case are: Conspiracy to defraud the government [with false electors] Conspiracy against the right to vote [by attempting with others to overturn the legitimate result of an election] Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding [by exhorting the crowd (again with others) to march to the Capitol and "fight like hell"] Obstruction of an official proceeding [by doing nothing to call off the rioters once they were in the building] |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 19 Jan 24 - 07:48 AM My position has become conservative! I prefer an original Constitutional Government over a New Government with rampant political violence and dictatorial decree with a license to kill political opponents. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Dave the Gnome Date: 19 Jan 24 - 03:39 AM The Supreme Court could have a way out of their predicament. If they rule that the presidency is covered by the 14th amendment but Trump has not yet been found guilty of insurrection in a court of law, then the onus moves to the court trying him for his part in Jan 6. But what do I know!? |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Jan 24 - 05:16 PM Ivanka Trump Former Employee Ends Up in Father's Jury Pool "A woman says she worked for Ivanka Trump's company doing communications work in 2017/18 and also says it won't impact her ability to be fair to both sides," Crane-Newman posted to X, formerly Twitter. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 17 Jan 24 - 04:25 PM Everyone knows extreme cold makes caucuses shrink. :^/ Jean Carroll is still getting death threats as Trump continues his misogynist denials. Entire police and FBI departments treat sexual abuse and rape cases as he said she said scenarios. It would help if only female detectives conducted investigations. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Jan 24 - 04:37 PM The numbers are meaningless. But media companies want eyeballs and advertisers and they go with the Trump nonsense because they get the ratings. They didn't learn their lesson in 2016, but so many people know what he is up to now that even though his supporters are noisy and brash and out there for the Iowa event, it really doesn't add up to anything. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Jan 24 - 04:11 PM I genuinely hope you are right Stilly but, from here, it looks grim :-( |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Jan 24 - 03:51 PM The percentage of people who go out to participate in the Iowa caucuses is minute compared to the registered voters of the state. Let them think he won - but make sure everyone gets out to vote in November. Polls, caucuses, even primaries are barely useful to extrapolate from. Only the election itself matters. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Jan 24 - 03:54 AM Apparently, the result will please the Biden camp, according to this piece on BBC News this morning. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Jan 24 - 03:32 AM Still think we are safe after last night in Iowa? :-( |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Jan 24 - 05:58 AM He didn't exactly help one of Trump's opponents though, did he? Ah, the curse of the microphone... |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 10 Jan 24 - 10:23 PM The pattern of Trump's breathing tonight in his 'town hall' resembled the breathing of James Gandolfini before he had his heart attack. The specific type of breathing shows excessive stress on the heart with loud nasal inhalations. This is not an acute condition but is a warning sign. I only mention this because I was correct about Reagan's dementia 3 years before the famous letter announcing his condition. On TV I said I saw evidence of the President's symptoms of organic brain disease while the rest of the panel of psychologists and 'experts' were aghast and flabbergasted. I was not asked back and NO ONE MENTIONED 3 YEARS LATER that I had been correct. C'est la vie. btw Chris Christie spoke eloquently, confessionally and directly on C-Span and later on TV tonight. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 10 Jan 24 - 06:41 PM Stilly, when Hitler was allowed to speak at his insurrection trial it was a grand mistake. If only a judge Engoran had been on the bench. Lighter it is perfectly true some arguments are meant to delay but when throwing their dirty underwear against the wall they should have the ability to stick. Trump's arguments are surprisingly 'unstickworthy'. Trump's lawyers are playing for Trump's approval and not a passionate defense. Their heart is not into it which is a good thing. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Jan 24 - 04:50 PM Trump can’t speak during closing arguments in NY civil fraud trial, judge says In a letter to attorneys for Trump and New York Attorney General Letitia James just after noon Wednesday, Engoron said that Trump hasn’t agreed to conditions he set should the former president wish to give a statement. The judge is shutting down the platform that Trump wants to use to continue to blame Biden, to claim the president is prosecuting him. "“Allowing Mr. Trump to present closing argument will invite more speeches that will ‘unduly disrupt’ the proceedings,” Andrew Amer wrote in an email last Thursday." Engoron offered Trump the opportunity to speak in his own defense closing argument but said the former president must agree to preset conditions that would limit what he can and cannot say. He would not be allowed to campaign, the judge said. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Jan 24 - 11:41 AM That cover of The New Yorker is perfect. Buy it to add to your collection of Trump covers. He was in court this morning but apparently there wasn't an opportunity to grandstand on the way in or out. I listened to part of the hearing, it would have been better if it was televised and not just the sound, but we'll take what we can get. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 09 Jan 24 - 10:19 AM Regardless of that, they're coming up with anything they can think of to delay the trials and whip up public sympathy for their client. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 09 Jan 24 - 08:57 AM In GA lawyers for Trump are arguing that Donald had no idea that overturning an election was illegal. Even I know ignorance of the law is no defense. Are these dollar-store lawyers? |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 08 Jan 24 - 07:21 PM The cover of the New Yorker magazine is opinion and philosophy. A good cartoon shows MAGA fanatics yelling WE can't trust the voters on 1-6 and today shouting LET the voters decide! |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Jan 24 - 02:53 PM Let's please stop with the long editorials and philosophy - and just share news. Less bickering results that way (in most threads, actually.) The Supremes have agreed to hear an appeal about the Colorado decision to keep Trump off the ballot. So many other things they could get done at the same time. And meanwhile, Trump is warning of trouble ahead (the copy is pasted here in case anyone north of the border wanted to know about this): Trump warns of ‘big trouble’ as Supreme Court agrees to hear Colorado ballot case. Former President Trump warned Friday that there will be “big trouble” if the Supreme Court does not rule in his favor on his eligibility for the 2024 presidential ballot. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 06 Jan 24 - 01:48 PM They say God made Trump to save America: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/111703421569603715 |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 06 Jan 24 - 08:29 AM Entre nous there is no trace of Russian money going to Trump which is hard to believe. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 05 Jan 24 - 01:15 PM Yeah, but Eric says they donated the profits to the U.S. Treasury. For America! Checkmate again, libs! [Rated R for strong irony, sarcasm, bad attitude.] https://www.newsweek.com/eric-trump-reacts-report-that-donald-trump-got-millions-china-1857928 |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 05 Jan 24 - 01:09 PM Trump made over 500 million from China alone. Donald is fairly certain breaking Constitutional law will go unanswered with his personally selected Supreme Court. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 05 Jan 24 - 12:57 PM Donald Trump's businesses received millions in payments from foreign governments while he was in office, report finds "Key points: "A report details $11.6 million in foreign payments from 20 countries was paid to Trump businesses "The payments in the report are likely a fraction of foreign payments made to Trump, the report said "China, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Malaysia were among the countries" .... "The report discussed four properties, less than 1 per cent of the 558 corporate entities Mr Trump owned either directly or indirectly as president. "Mr Trump's accounting firm did not provide documents regarding at least 80 per cent of Mr Trump's business entities, congressional investigators said. "'These countries spent — often lavishly — on apartments and hotel stays at Donald Trump's properties — personally enriching president Trump while he made foreign policy decisions connected to their policy agendas with far-reaching ramifications for the United States,' the report said. "The countries included China, Saudi Arabia, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Malaysia and more." |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 05 Jan 24 - 12:52 PM The R. House is still hanging together rather than hang separately. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Dave the Gnome Date: 05 Jan 24 - 12:41 PM Interesting piece in The Guardian |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Jan 24 - 11:04 AM Really interesting interview by Judy Woodruff of PBS about the citizen investigators who are helping the FBI track down and charge the rioters from January 6. The woman interviewed is seen only from the back and her name has been changed. If Trump were to get into office these people's heads would be on pikes leading into town. And there are a lot of people in the FBI who are resisting these investigations. Trump supporters and mid-level hires, no doubt, who haven't left or been fired for malfeasance. |
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