Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 12 Dec 23 - 06:55 AM What a kidder, Trump joked that he would be a dictator on day one. Man, what a knee-slapper. The Supreme Court will take up the Trump immunity defense next week. Trump lawyers hoped to delay with a lower court appeal in DC regarding his insurrection trial. It was ruled that Nixon could not be sued for doing his job as President but this is a different kettle of fish. This is stinky four-year-old fish. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Dec 23 - 01:24 PM But despite everything: A little over a month before the Iowa caucus kicks off the Republican presidential primary, Donald Trump has expanded his “commanding” lead in the first-to-vote state, a new Des Moines Register/NBC News poll found.....he received 51% support in the Iowa poll.... ...His closest challenger, the hard-right Florida governor Ron DeSantis, took 19%... ....That meant Trump’s lead was the largest ever recorded in the influential poll so close to a competitive caucus day. If he stands, he wins, doesn't he? Bit of a bottom line there... (The quoted snippets are from a Guardian news report) |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 11 Dec 23 - 08:22 AM I know Stilly River Sage likes to remain on topic and stay on topic but I believe the larger implications involved are crucial. The Trump indictments and trials were deliberately delayed to minimize blowback or possibly to coincide with his campaign. Trump will be a no-show in more than debates. Defiance can speak louder than words in court. Chaos, fear, defiance, disinformation, and dysfunction are the usual tools of his trade. Retribution from his trials has led to a Biden impeachment inquiry and his son facing 17 years in prison while Richard Pryor was not charged for similar actions from his addiction. I am hoping a Trump stochastic terror attack on the courts does not set a precedent for more violence. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Dave the Gnome Date: 11 Dec 23 - 08:10 AM He will hate not being able to spout his venom. What's the betting that later this week he will accuse the court of trying to silence him? |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Dec 23 - 08:47 PM I heard that today. So next up the government can present a rebuttal to the Trump defense (or not). The radio commentator remarked that Trump has such a squishy relationship with the truth (my words - I don't remember exactly what they said) that not testifying is better for him. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 10 Dec 23 - 04:07 PM Trump's lawyers have now persuaded him not to testify. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Dec 23 - 03:31 PM Master Calendar of Trump Court Dates: Criminal and Civil Cases If you don't have a scorecard to keep track of his trials and hearings, there is a handy calendar hosted by the Just Security site. And in case you wonder what that is: Just Security is an online forum for the rigorous analysis of security, democracy, foreign policy, and rights. Founded in 2013, we aim to promote principled and pragmatic solutions to problems confronting decision-makers in the United States and abroad. Our expert authors are individuals with significant government experience, academics, civil society practitioners, individuals directly affected by national security policies, and other leading voices. Our Board of Editors includes a broad range of leading experts on domestic and international law and policy. Just Security is based at the Reiss Center on Law and Security at New York University School of Law. Trump fraud trial: Former president to return to witness stand Monday The former president is on trial in New York for allegedly defrauding lenders. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 08 Dec 23 - 01:19 PM Yes, the year's flying by. My little joke on that is when we get older, we don't say, "Oh it's morning again", or "Oh it's Monday again", we say "Oh it's January again". :-D |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Dec 23 - 11:50 AM Helen, fixed, thanks! A bit of a brain fart there. Not so much denial as just forgetting that the year is almost over! It has flown past (and continues to evolve as we watch the race between the courts trying Trump and the 2024 election looming). Miller is one scary SOB. Even his family won't have anything to do with him and have denounced his ideas in public venues. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 08 Dec 23 - 09:44 AM Stephen Miller always reminded me of Himmler. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 08 Dec 23 - 09:20 AM Trump seeks his dream team: https://www.yahoo.com/news/grifters-sycophants-radicals-fill-key-120051434.html |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 08 Dec 23 - 08:39 AM What does personal revenge look like when Donald lives in a moral void but is given Imperial power? Should he win by subversion or violence do you think he will fixate on punishment? Perhaps he won't need a coup. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 07 Dec 23 - 08:40 PM Hi SRS, I noticed the article you referred to is dated in December but the dates you gave are in November. (In view of the recent mixed up dates on Mudcat threads, I thought your post was out of order on the list but now I suspect you might be in Christmas denial. Yes, Christmas IS only a couple of weeks away! LOL) |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Dec 23 - 08:19 PM The accountant who testified for the defense today was only there to talk about the practice of finance and accounting, he was not there to discuss motivation, so it was apparently a bit of a downer for the Trump team. The judge seemed engaged, apparently interested in the different information being presented. Friday is always a short day in court, Trump should be on the stand on Monday. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 07 Dec 23 - 02:22 PM I agree with Ebbie's comment on 6 Dec about Trump's age and health, especially his diet and lack of exercise. I also still think that the internal pressure of the gag orders, not being able to let that constant stream of internal lava out of his system, will be the trigger point. Just look at the photos of him trying to stop himself from unleashing all of that negativity onto the world. It has to be affecting his blood pressure and his heart - well, if he has a heart, that is. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Dec 23 - 01:52 PM Trump returns again to his New York civil fraud trial as two months of testimony nears end Dated Dec. 7, 2023 Former President Donald Trump returned to his civil business fraud trial as a spectator Thursday, after a month of assailing the proceedings from afar. The rest at the link. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 07 Dec 23 - 11:40 AM QanonQanon is now a psy op that has many missions from supporting RFK Jr. to reinforcing right-wing conspiracies. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/michael-flynn-is-recruiting-an-army-of-god-in-growing-christian-nationalist-movement Trump Preacher https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/06/us/capitol-riot-paths-to-insurrection/pastors.html and this is the tip of the iceberg. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 07 Dec 23 - 11:12 AM I do not blame the media for calling Trump's base merely as his supporters. Actually, his base identify themselves as Spiritual Warriors by religious indoctrination preachers and Gen. Flynn as Christian Nationalists. Decades of home-schooling have been churning out these obedient fascists. They now number as many as one in three voters. To publicize them primarily by their cult religion would throw a monkey wrench of stigmatizing or victimizing Trump Christians, although the teaching of Jesus is far from their faith. They come in various groups such as Qanon and numerous Christian denominations but 'where they go one they go all' as their chant goes. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 07 Dec 23 - 07:41 AM The forms for prospective jurors in the Trump insurrection trial have been mailed out this week. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 06 Dec 23 - 08:31 PM A Trump anthology for those who haven't been listening: https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-2024-campaign-own-131309917.html |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Dec 23 - 05:52 PM Believe him when he says what he is going to do. Hillary told everyone that during the 2016 election, and she was right. It's still advice to listen to now. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 06 Dec 23 - 02:03 PM Bad news for Benito: https://www.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin-pro-trump-fake-electors-172858588.html The Deep State musta threatened their fams, right? |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Dec 23 - 01:29 PM Well we generally tend not to believe anything he says. You don't get to be a dictator, not even for a day, just because you say "I'm going to be a dictator." He's a very dangerous man, and we don't need that to necessarily come from the horse's mouth. The most important thing is that he doesn't get elected. I read yesterday that a poll has got Biden trailing him. One dangerous move towards autocracy is one he shared with Netanyahu, his attempt to rig the Supreme Court. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 06 Dec 23 - 01:18 PM Trump said he will be a dictator in a media interview. See the first link posted by Lighter, for example the third article on that page: Daily Telegraph, Thu, December 7, 2023 at 4:29 AM GMT+11 "Donald Trump has said he will become a dictator for the first day of his second term if he wins next year’s presidential election. "The Republican frontrunner refused to deny that he would abuse his power to seek revenge on political opponents if re-elected to the White House. “'You are promising America, tonight, you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody?' Sean Hannity, a Fox News host who has long been a supporter of Trump, asked during a televised town hall in Iowa on Tuesday. “'Except for day one,' Mr Trump responded." Or this paragraph in Oz ABC News: "Mr Trump on Tuesday was asked by Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity to promise he 'would never abuse power as retribution against anybody'. "'Except for day one,' Mr Trump responded. "'I want to close the border and I want to drill, drill, drill. "'After that, I'm not a dictator.'" And in my opinion, i he thinks it's acceptable to be a dictator on day one, then he will not stop at day one. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Dec 23 - 12:56 PM It's a discussion forum, my recent posts in this thread are full of conjecture without pontificating and you are being unnecessarily hostile. You THINK he's going to be a dictator. I DOUBT that he will. I'm not "pulling your chain" when I ask how you think he'll achieve it. OK, Maggie, I'm a man and not a yank (worse still, a Brit) which seems to mean that I don't qualify to have a view. I'm not trolling in this thread, the stuff I last posted is no more off-topic than much of the stuff in your last post (check the thread title) and you need to be more tolerant. Thank you. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 06 Dec 23 - 12:31 PM Trump promises the faithful that, yes, he will be a dictator - but only on Day One. (Then he'll be nice again....) He also said "Al Capone was one of the greatest, if you like criminals." (Hey, he's being sarcastic! Wotta sense of humor! Lighten up, fascists!) https://www.yahoo.com/news/hear-trump-response-asked-promise-062722664.html And you know who else has a great sense of humor? That Kash Patel, former NSC advisor: https://apnews.com/article/trump-2024-second-term-prosecute-media-b892fd6f3ce721016eb1176e82aa51c3 These guys crack me up. But commie-libs don't get it! Hopeless! (Irony - as if you didn't know.) |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Dec 23 - 12:18 PM With Santos out last week it's interesting that McCarthy announced that he's leaving Congress at the end of this year. Meaning a few days left (considering the generous recess they take). McCarthy Says He Will Leave Congress at the End of the Year About two months after being ousted as speaker, Representative Kevin McCarthy said he would exit the House a year early. Mr. McCarthy’s imminent departure will shrink the already slim Republican majority, which went to three seats from four with the expulsion last week of Representative George Santos of New York. So another of Trump's toadys is out and the lunatic fringe are still there (MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, etc.) Trump wants to take over the ability to call elections and wants to let Putin win in Ukraine. This GOP House has been largely inclined to tilt in those directions. To spell this out, the number of members needed to hold the slimmest of majorities is 218. The GOP right now have 221. There are a couple of vacant seats in the House. The deadline to run for the seat in California is on Friday, hence McCarthy's timing (the NY Times article is a short one to start with this announcement, they'll spell it out more as the story takes shape). If the house were to flip before the end of the term a LOT of work could get done in a hurry this term, so if any other disaffected GOP members were to leave before next year's election, it could happen. It would allow things like the John Lewis voting rights legislation to go through to shore up election security (the GOP have tried to tear apart election apparatus at the local level since the Supreme Court knocked out large pieces of the old Voting Rights Act. Putting the act in place would make all of the GOP nonsense moot.) Wikipedia As to the last post: It's a fair bet that he'll become a lame duck president half way through. Don't kid yourself. Stop yanking our chains and stay on topic. Your pontificating is unpleasant. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Dec 23 - 04:51 AM So you don't trust your hard-won instruments of state to constrain him. Today, the man who spent seven years wrecking this country is appearing before an enquiry which will expose his severe shortcomings in the pandemic. He was forensically investigated for his breaches of covid lockdown rules and, though his fixed penalty fine was derisory, his reputation was ruined as his lack of integrity was exposed. We suspected that he wanted to ride roughshod over some laws but the instruments of state pulled him up short. I may be premature but I suspect that he will make a fool of himself today as the enquiry pulls him to pieces. We are currently witnessing strenuous efforts by our government to override human rights laws in order to promote a doomed and pointless populist scheme to deport refugees to an unstable African country. They will fail, because there is equally strenuous opposition, in spite of years of damaging populism. At worst, Trump will get four more years. It's a fair bet that he'll become a lame duck president half way through. I'm surprised to read your apocalyptic predictions. I don't live there, but I'd like to hear you explain how he could become a dictator. He has done a lot of damage and will do much more, but are you seriously suggesting that there won't be a presidential election in 2028? And, speaking of holding former leaders to account, a vital cog in the wheels of democracy, why hasn't Trump been held to account for conniving in the Jan 6 riot, if not actually inciting it? Germane to this discussion is the second Reith Lecture, given by Professor Ben Ansell, which I've just listened to. He discussed the uneasy position of liberal democracy between anarchy and autocracy. There are more pressures than just Trump. There's social media and there's AI. Of course, he'll try to use them to his advantage. He hasn't do too well so far with social media but his followers have. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Ebbie Date: 06 Dec 23 - 02:32 AM We tend to not consider his age- 77 now, he'd be 79 upon inauguration, and 83 at the end of his term. Given his diet and lack of exercise, I rather doubt that he'll make truly old bones. More alarming is that his example would allow and encourage successive presidents to shred what remained of the Constitution and the traditions that are currently our norm. It is hard to foresee a happy ending. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 05 Dec 23 - 11:55 PM And his potential underhanded collaborations with Putin are too terrible to contemplate. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Dec 23 - 10:50 PM He wouldn't be a terrible president for four more years, he would become a dictator. He won't make the mistake of putting in any staff who would stop him from mischief. He'll put in allies who let him do what he wants. The rule of law, the role of the Department of Justice, all of that out in the trash. He needs to be in prison. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Dec 23 - 12:43 PM Well there are more scenarios than that. The far more likely and far less sensational one is that he'll just be a terrible president for four more years, then he'll enter the dustbin of history. That's not intended to be reassuring, because even that would still be a disaster for the planet. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 05 Dec 23 - 05:58 AM The three scenarios of 2024 elections are Trump loses with more domestic terrorism. Trump wins and adopts a voting system akin to Putin's. Trump wins and and uses the military domestically which becomes divided and chaotic, Courts are ignored, and a void of actual leadership leads to a fundamental collapse of secular government and skirmishes of religious Christian nationalist sects for dominance. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 04 Dec 23 - 04:11 PM Will Trump choose Gen. Flynn as his running mate? Flynn is the hero of Qanon, deep state conspiracies, Christian Nationalists, weaponized militias, and digital warriors. My knowledge of psy ops and hypnosis causes me to see Fynn as the inheritor of Trumpism, not Republicans. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Dec 23 - 10:31 AM Cheney will be interviewed on the Rachel Maddow Show tonight. MSNBC. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 04 Dec 23 - 09:10 AM A "fascist" *and* a "communist" running a government of "thugs." |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 04 Dec 23 - 05:32 AM Trump has neutralized and confused terminology for the unwashed public by calling Biden an enemy of Democracy and a fascist. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 03 Dec 23 - 08:45 PM I see what you're saying, but I must tell you that, in the bigger picture, UK politics doesn't really embrace coalitions in the usual sense of the word. Informal and temporary deals, maybe. We wouldn't use the term "coalition" here for such arrangements. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Charmion's brother Andrew Date: 03 Dec 23 - 05:53 PM Steve Shaw, coalitions in the Westminster systems are rarely formal and may be based only on the issue before the House. Who props up the minority will change from day to day or even from vote to vote -- but that's okay. In the long run, it tends to produce what the people want, e.g.: in Canada, medicare and a new flag. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Dec 23 - 12:12 PM Trump has again expressed disbelief that Biden isn't being charged for the few Top Secret documents found in his old office. Frank Figliuzzi blows a hole in that sentiment. Former FBI official blows a hole in Trump's latest stolen document defense The former FBI official responded, "Unlike Trump, who was aware for at least 16 months that the U.S. government wanted its documents back, Biden told reporters that he was 'surprised' to learn of the classified documents and didn’t know what was in them," before pointing out, "Importantly, Trump is accused of suggesting that his lawyer “hide or destroy” the classified documents, and instructing Walt Nauta, his personal assistant who is also indicted, to relocate and conceal boxes of the government documents. Some of that hide-and-seek movement was captured on security video obtained by the FBI in July 2022." |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 03 Dec 23 - 12:02 PM I'm not acting like anything, Maggie, and there's no need for that kind of hostility. I'm saying that no-one should be telling you to vote tactically, because telling you to do that is undemocratic. But it's perfectly democratic to vote that way if you so choose without pressure to do so from someone else (which is what I do). In democracies, discussion of the merits or otherwise of the contenders is the proper democratic way to persuade people. We fight long and hard for democracy and we should keep it that way. There's far too much ignorance among the electorate in your country, my country and lots of other western countries, and cynical exploitation of that ignorance is rife, which is why Trump and Johnson and the idiot in Argentina are possible. With an educated electorate there's no need to go down the slippery slope of saying, if you vote for A you'll let B in. We can work that out for ourselves and large numbers of people will do it anyway. Charmion, national coalitions are not the norm in the UK. We've had just the one in my lifetime, the disaster of 2010 to 2015 which shat on working people, the health service and schools and which sowed the seeds for brexit. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 03 Dec 23 - 11:58 AM Liz Cheney's perspective: https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-liz-cheney-book-blasts-221143621.html And don't miss: https://newrepublic.com/article/177249/2024-trump-presidency-sleepwalking |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Charmion Date: 02 Dec 23 - 11:33 PM The Westminster-style parliamentary system enjoyed by both Britain and Canada accommodates third and even fourth parties without angst because coalition-forming is normal. It’s too different from the American two-party congress to be fully comparable. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Dec 23 - 09:23 PM A vote for a third party may just be vote for who you want to win. No, Steve, it doesn't mean that, and stop acting like we don't know what we're talking about here. If you vote for a third party candidate who has no chance in hell to win, then that vote doesn't go to Biden. It supports Trump. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Steve Shaw Date: 02 Dec 23 - 07:21 PM A vote for a third party may just be vote for who you want to win. To say you should vote for someone who will help Trump to lose adds up to a democratic deficit. My parliamentary constituency is North Cornwall. It's been held in the past by the Liberal Democrats, who I revile. In recent years it's been held by the Tories, who I revile even more. Far more, in fact. My sentiment is to always vote Labour, but here in north Cornwall Labour never stand a chance of taking the seat. I could shut my eyes and vote Labour as a matter of principle. Or I can decide to vote Lib Dem in the hope of keeping the Tories out. The thing is, in a democracy, that should be my decision, unhindered by anyone else telling me how to vote for whatever reason, including tactically. I don't want to be told that a vote for Labour is a wasted vote, or that if I vote Labour it will let the Tories in. In a democracy, the ballot box is the final call. Trying to sway me one way or the other at the ballot box is improper unless you know that I've been apprised in detail of the policies of all sides. After all, good democracy depends on a knowledgable electorate making informed choices. As it happens, I vote for the Lib Dems here every time. I don't want the Tories in, so I vote and hold my nose. But if a LibDem candidate told me to vote for them in order to keep the Tories out, I'd very rapidly tell them where to shove it. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Dec 23 - 06:42 PM A vote for a "third party" is a vote for Trump. Case in point: Guess Who Came to Dinner With Flynn and Putin NBC News reviewed video and photos from a 2015 Moscow gala that Mike Flynn was paid $45,000 to attend to see who else was in the room. Putin will still be pushing for Trump to win, quite possibly harder than before. His getting to keep huge swaths of Ukraine depend upon it. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 01 Dec 23 - 11:32 AM The Santos saga is an example of the failure of the press and media. It took 11 months to get rid of the narcissistic psychopathic liar since he was not properly vetted before his election. Ding dong the bitch is dead. He skedaddled right before the expulsion vote to avoid being frog-marched out of the building. Among his many lies and thefts of campaign funds I found laughable was his Los Vegas marriage and honeymoon. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Dec 23 - 11:15 AM The GOP majority in the House is down by one - Santos is out. House votes to expel indicted Rep. George Santos from Congress The New York Republican is now just the third lawmaker since the Civil War to be expelled from the House of Representatives. The irony here, of course, screams out loud: Santos did the same thing Trump did. Trump is still the candidate but Santos' lying and cheating got his ass kicked out. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 01 Dec 23 - 06:53 AM By the letter of the law Trump did not insult members of the court as outlined in the gag order instead, he went after the judge's wife claiming she posted something nasty, which she did not in any way shape, or form. A gag order is very specific so in a sense, Donald did not violate the gag order but his abuse was designed to inflame both his believers and the judge. Trolls like Trump probably feel proud to skirt the rules but still accomplish misinformation. Call it clever or evil but it is typical narcissist behavior. |
Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 Dec 23 - 02:44 AM There was also the thing about failing to get possession of documents relating to the Jan 6 committee. The judge said Trump's Lawers were just on a "fishing expedition". |
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