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looking for pre 1840 songs

GUEST,rachel dempsey 21 Jan 00 - 05:33 PM
DonMeixner 21 Jan 00 - 06:18 PM
Lesley N. 21 Jan 00 - 06:46 PM
Escamillo 22 Jan 00 - 03:00 AM
Escamillo 22 Jan 00 - 03:05 AM
Lesley N. 22 Jan 00 - 09:17 AM
Escamillo 23 Jan 00 - 01:26 AM
GUEST,rachel 23 Jan 00 - 04:00 AM
Escamillo 23 Jan 00 - 08:49 PM
Dave (the ancient mariner) 23 Jan 00 - 09:06 PM
Rex 24 Jan 00 - 01:36 PM
MMario 24 Jan 00 - 01:55 PM
Rex 25 Jan 00 - 12:28 PM
MMario 25 Jan 00 - 12:34 PM
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Subject: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: GUEST,rachel dempsey
Date: 21 Jan 00 - 05:33 PM

hello i dont know how to search for what i am wanting. i attend black powder events and i would like to find a collection of songs dated before 1840 so sing at the events. if you could help that would be great:) thankyou for your time

Rachel Dempsey offkiltr@tco.net

850 kimball #11 red bluff ca 96080


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: DonMeixner
Date: 21 Jan 00 - 06:18 PM

Jeepers Rachel, if you can't find an old song here you won't find them anywhere. What are you looking for specifically? Heart songs? Ballads? Songs that trappers may have taken into the Wind Rivers? Politcal tunes that fit the climate of the day? They are all in here. Drop the GUEST apel and move in for a long stay.

Don


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: Lesley N.
Date: 21 Jan 00 - 06:46 PM

For American Songs before 1840 you can try my page Popular Songs in American History (http://www.contemplator.com/america.html). They are arranged by date. The list is, of course, by no means anywhere near comoprehensive, but it's a place for you to start.


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: Escamillo
Date: 22 Jan 00 - 03:00 AM

Lesley, what an excellent page ! Somehow this should be a recommended link from the Mudcat (if it is already a link, I've not seen it).
May I ask you a favor ? I have to study a song or aria for an admittance audition in a top choir (classical) in late February. Everybody goes with an old Italian aria, I would like to present something unusual, as an old English or American song could be. It should be sufficiently demanding in range, expression and rythm for a seasoned tenor or high baritone. I'm 53, good experience, an fluent in English (this may cause a good impression too) - what would you recommend ?
Please don't feel obligated at all, I could also choose a Haendel's aria or so many others, but those in your list looked very attractive.
Thank you - Best Regards - Andrés Magré


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: Escamillo
Date: 22 Jan 00 - 03:05 AM

Lesley, forgot to tell you that I'm argentine and the choir is the Wagnerian Association of Buenos Aires, this would make it clearer for you why an English or American song may be unusual. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: Lesley N.
Date: 22 Jan 00 - 09:17 AM

Most people who look at my pages assume I am a musician, but truth is I can only create the page due to the wonder of computers (though I have done a few of the tunes completely on my own - and I rather like the simplicity of what I did with one of Cecil Sharp's versions of Fair Margaret and Sweet William). I generally scan in sheet music and work from those beginning. What all of that means is that I really don't have the knowledge and expertise to recommend anything. However, you are at the right place and no doubt someone else here can suggest something!


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: Escamillo
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 01:26 AM

Thank you Lesley, I'll be visiting your page, and surely some Mudcatters will have something to suggest. Un abrazo - Andrés


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: GUEST,rachel
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 04:00 AM

to don and lesley thankyou for the help. i dont really know how this site works yet so please bare with me. i was looking for lulabys and ballads and songs to sing around a fire type stuff. for camping:) well thanks again rachel


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: Escamillo
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 08:49 PM

You are in the right place, Rachel. I'm sorry if my reference to classic singing may have given you the impression that it is the dominant matter here in the Mudcat, NO, the Mudcat is Folk, Traditional and Blues mainly. It happens that this people is so generous and comprehensive, that they accept the discussion of all types of music. Please do not hesitate to follow up on your specialties, otherwise I would feel guilty ! :)
Best regards - Andrés


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 09:06 PM

There are many versions of "Over The Hills And Far Away" which dates back to Queen Anne but recently used by John Tams on the series Sharpe's Rifles; it's a great song and there are a couple of American versions listed on the DT search lyrics. It would help if you were to let us know the theme of the black powder event. Locally we have a club that has the Mountain Men theme and some French English re-enactment groups, so there are several songs in French and English they use... Over The Hills And Far Away is my favourite..Yours, Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: Rex
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 01:36 PM

Rachel, this came up last Summer. Go to the forum search and look up "back from rendesvous, plenty tunes" and click on line 3. Or if that's too long you find it by doing a forum search on my name. If I could figure it out, I would just put the list here. Joe, where is ya when I need ya?

Rex


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: MMario
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 01:55 PM

Blue clicky to Rex's former post

url http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=106477


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: Rex
Date: 25 Jan 00 - 12:28 PM

Well thanky MMario, one of these days I need to figure this stuff out.

Rex


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: MMario
Date: 25 Jan 00 - 12:34 PM

no problem...stop on over to the tradin' post and see if there's anyone familiar around.


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jan 00 - 01:04 PM

I think "Hunt the Buffalo" meets your criteria.

And if you have a banjo handy a rousing rendition of "Groundhog" might be in order. Then there's "Cumbeland Gap" -- it invokes the image of Dan'l Boone on Pinnacle Rock, shooting Injuns with his flintlock Couldn't get away with that on the top 40 this year.

A.


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Subject: RE: looking for pre 1840 songs
From: Rex
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 11:40 AM

Yes, Hunt the Buffalo or Shoot the Buffalo. How could I leave that out? One that was actually written in journals as being sung by the trappers. Another documented one I left out (shame!) is The Mellow Horn. I recall that mentioned by Lewis H. Garrard in his Wah to Yah and the Toas Trail. Another that shows up in the journals the Rattlin' Bog (see above). And I'll get to that trading post. I'm running low on powder.

Rex


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