BS: American Presidential race 2024

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 14 Oct 24 - 02:02 AM

My tenner would join yours.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Oct 24 - 01:44 AM

That doesn’t surprise me in the slightest, Thommo.

Very sadly, I think some of the KH supporters here may be underestimating the gullibility and, yes, stupidity of a lot of American voters who simply fall for the Trumpian BS. Hopefully, the ‘pissed-off women’ will outnumber the the gullible idiots, but then there’s still the vagaries of that antiquated, outdated ‘Electoral College’ poll-defeating system to overcome.

Despite being a Harris fan, if I was a betting man (I’m not), I’d have a tenner on tRump, whilst hoping like hell I would lose my money.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 14 Oct 24 - 01:00 AM

Al-Jazeera: Harris "slipping" against Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 07:04 PM

I'm betting on the whole heap of pissed off women, too. Fingers and toes so fully crossed that I'll need a crow bar to straighten them out again. :-D

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 06:57 PM

The question of the January 6 riots has come up and the talking heads who examine the Harris campaign seem to feel other issues, such as restoring abortion rights and forward movement for Americans trying to buy new homes and other repairs to the economy are critical to discuss. There is no point in re-litigating Trump on January 6, the Congressional hearings did a good job of that and until the Supreme Court stops blocking the court hearings and eventual trials, she would be saying "alleged" all of the time.

Personally, I think a whole bunch of pissed off women of all ages are going to put this across the finish line for Harris. Women who never show up in polls.

I mailed in my ballot last week.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 06:22 PM

I'm not surprised that he is being targeted by shooters. I just hope he is safe for the next month so that the election can progress as planned. If he is shot he becomes a martyr in the eyes of some people and that could increase his voter turnout. If he is shot and killed, the JD Vance alternative is almost as bad as Trump. So may God keep him safe for the next month, long enough to hopefully lose the election and face the music of his legal woes without a chance of pardoning himself.

Also on the subject of death (sorry! but...) I've been wondering why the Democrat strategists are not reminding voters of Trump's role in the Jan 6 Capitol riots more often, and also of the abysmal record of deaths in the U.S. due to COVID, mostly due to Trump's denial of its seriousness, and denial of the need to vaccinate and take other precautions like social distancing, hand sanitisation, mask-wearing etc.

And, is Kamala Harris still pushing the line about knowing Trump's type?

Apart from that she seems to be pushing some of her pro-active policies more than she was initially.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 06:03 PM

This makes the third time someone with weapons has been close to 45. This one seems to have been some kind of goof - he was released on $5,000 bail. Will Trump try to use it to his advantage?

Meanwhile, violence continues to be how Trump deals with people he dislikes, basically anyone who disagrees with him.

COACHELLA, Calif. (AP) — Former President Donald Trump called for a protester at one of his rallies to “go back home to Mommy” to “get the hell knocked out of her,” his latest instance of using violent language when confronted by demonstrators.

The protester was ejected from Trump’s Saturday evening rally in Coachella, California. As the crowd jeered her, Trump said “Back home to Mommy. She goes back home to Mommy.”

Trump continued, imitating the imagined mother: “‘Was that you, darling?’ And she gets the hell knocked out of her.”

“Her mother’s a big fan of ours,” the former president finished before returning to his speech. “Her mother, her father.”

Meanwhile, Harris has released her medical records and this will certainly taunt Trump who never has been truthful about his health (including the COVID he had).

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 03:38 PM

re: Polls

Polls used to be calls to land line phones. Now people use mainly portable smart phones, and often ignore calls they don't want to take.
I'm sure the news media feels they must feed us polling data, even if, as SRS notes, it is not reliable.
There are many many new young voters who tend Democratic and an amazing number of well-known Republicans who are endorsing Kamala.
Every day, tRump says something more outrageous than before and offends people, cultures, companies, cities, states and his own former staff.
   I still won't really relax until it's all done.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 12:55 PM

This reel from FB - on a larger scale.

The GOP is trying to distract voters into the nonsense of going out and talking to neighbors to change minds when what we really need to do is make sure the GOP doesn't get away with dirty tricks and pulling registered voters off of roles.

In this video instance, abortion is the topic, but in various other venues the topic might be Israel/Gaza or The Economy or Climate Change - stop trying to change minds right now - instead, stop the GOP from blocking people from voting. Show their dirty tricks for what they are, don't fall for them. Trump still has Roger Stone working for him.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 12:30 PM

Dave the Gnome, this is my link:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/13/trump-disaster-funding-warning

The headline is

‘Vengeful’ Trump withheld disaster aid and will do so again, ex-officials warn

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 11:16 AM

That's the topic, Dave (I fixed the original link after a search).

This is the time of year when you have to turn off the news, stop reading the polls, pull up your socks, and keep focused on the goal - putting Harris into office to spare us the disaster of another Trump term.

There are many people who never are reached in polls. Polls talk to a few hundred or thousand people at the most. They are horribly expensive to conduct if they are true polls. Many people don't have house phones listed in a phone book who will never be contacted. They miss many large under-represented demographics. (In addition to the scant coverage of traditional polls, there are things called "push polls" that are seemingly normal questions until they get to the candidate they support and then they ask a series of negative questions about the opposition and put them in the "do you hate when. . . " format to make their point and hopefully get your vote. I encountered one of those a couple of weeks ago and promptly ended the "poll" and blocked the site.)

Hillary blew it in 2016 by pulling her people back from Wisconsin and/or possibly Michigan where they thought they could make a difference. Harris will not make that mistake, plus she is wading deep into areas that should support her if she can convince them that their vote counts. And it is the down-ballot stuff this time - without the house and senate we'll still have gridlock in many ways.

IGNORE THE POLLS.

At this point they do far more harm than good.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 10:56 AM

Your link did not work for me, Thompson, so I Google Guardian, Trimp and swing states to find this one

Is that it?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 10:50 AM

Yes.. the possibility of defeat exists... if Republicans manage to purge enough voter lists and get several swing states to rewrite their election laws to allow state legislatures to override vote totals.
   Harris will certainly win the national popular vote, probably by more than Hillary or Biden, but the *#@%&* electoral college has several times elected the candidate with fewer votes.
   I am still optimistic, but not sure how to approach the tension of election night.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 10:41 AM

I share your sinking feeling, Keb. Too many Americans sucked in by tRump propaganda.

God Help America (and, by association, the rest of us).

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: keberoxu
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 09:44 AM

My mail-in ballot arrived today.
I recognized the Democratic, Green, and Republican candidates.
There were maybe three other parties and candidate pairs on the ballot,
of whom I know nothing, one of them was Libertarian.

I have a sinking feeling about this election.
I recall too well the euphoria, here at Mudcat, about the 2016 election
when certain members were so sure that we would elect a woman to the White House.
And how all those hopes and certainties were dashed.

I feel like I ought to brace myself for another Democratic Party defeat this year.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 07:23 AM

Holy moly! Trump and disaster aid!

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 13 Oct 24 - 05:33 AM

Interesting (to me, anyway) opinion piece in the Guardian about what's going on in the swing states.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 24 - 06:36 PM

After Trump backed out of the 60 Minutes interview he decided to try to turn it into an issue of another sort.

Vice President Kamala Harris’ “60 Minutes” interview may be “a major Campaign Finance Violation.” Politifact says FALSE.

After former President Donald Trump backed out of a "60 Minutes" interview — skipping a decades-long tradition of major party presidential candidates’ interviews with the network ahead of the general election — he called his Democratic opponent’s interview a "giant fake news scam."

Before Vice President Kamala Harris’ "60 minutes" interview aired, the show posted a video clip preview Oct. 6 on X. The CBS News show "Face the Nation" also shared the preview during its Oct. 6 broadcast.

In the clip, Harris answered a question about U.S.-Israel relations. The next day, when the full interview aired, it showed Harris giving a different answer to the same question.

"I’ve never seen this before, but the producers of 60 Minutes sliced and diced (‘cut and pasted’) Lyin’ Kamala’s answers to questions … all in an effort, possibly illegal as part of the ‘News Division,’ which must be licensed, to make her look ‘more Presidential,’ or a least, better," Trump posted Oct. 9 on Truth Social.

He continued, "It may also be a major Campaign Finance Violation."

PolitiFact contacted Trump’s campaign to clarify what campaign finance rule he was referring to, but spokesperson Karoline Leavitt did not answer that question. Instead, she called on CBS News to release the "full, unedited transcript" from Harris’ "60 Minutes" interview. "What do they, and Kamala, have to hide?" Leavitt said.

A media ethics expert told us it’s common for television broadcasts to select portions of a response from an interview, but that the network should publicly clarify its actions. And campaign finance experts said Trump’s claim about a rule violation is baseless.

There's a part of the interview transcribed there.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 10 Oct 24 - 01:32 PM

I can't remember whether I have mentioned Prof Allan Lichtman before in this thread but here is an article about him. [Note: the article is confusing because it is dated October 10, 2024 but some of the comments further down are referring to the time when Joe Biden was still the Democrat candidate.]

Allan Lichtman Prediction for 2024 Presidential Election: October Surprise To Derail Harris’ Chance?

"Allan Lichtman, the historian who correctly predicted the outcome of 9 out of the 10 most recent presidential elections, predicts Kamala Harris will win the upcoming presidential election.

"The 13 Keys to the White House, developed by Distinguished Professor of History Allan J. Lichtman at American University, is an analytical framework for predicting the outcome of American presidential elections. Unlike polls and poll-based projections, this model focuses on the larger picture, the consequential events during a president’s term, instead of campaigning and rhetoric."

....

The beginning of the article refers to:

"Allan Lichtman’s recent YouTube video delves into new evidence regarding Donald Trump’s relationship with Vladimir Putin."

Further down Lichtman's 13 keys are listed and a graph shows his analysis of Harris v. Trump in relation to those keys.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 24 - 06:56 PM

Today they broadcast a briefing for Biden and Harris with the answers coming from different agency heads, so everyone could see just what is being done. That's one way to make it clear that Trump was lying.

The hurricane is heading for Florida right now so campaigns will be probably low-key for a few days (interviews might continue, but rallys and such less-so). My guess, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Oct 24 - 05:39 PM

I see that the mad orange one is spinning a yarn about the current administration forcing people out of houses and offering a pittance in aid for hurricane damage. It is blatantly false and everyone knows that but sadly it is gaining him support amongst the hard of thinking. We have had our share of conmen (think Johnson and Farage) and those who fell for their lies but Trump and his followers are in a different league.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Oct 24 - 04:19 PM

".. asked a sticky question and answered, with an honest gaze, a different question..."

Yes, a common thing for almost all politicians. It's an evasive thing for some who simply have no information or would be embarrassed by an honest answer. Trump goes off in wild nonsense. In the debate Harris first clearly wanted to begin with a specific foundation and jumped to that. Later, she did answer most things in different contexts.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Oct 24 - 11:33 AM

Trumps assertion that the Democrats are responsible for the weather that has affected Florida is ridiculous

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 24 - 11:17 AM

Harris made the rounds yesterday, evidently finishing her day on Stephen Colbert's show. There are interesting clips from it out there, including a "sharing a beer" moment (but Miller High Life?).

In an unrelated yet important story, in Portland, OR, they are changing their government. This proud liberal city is throwing out its entire government
After a tumultuous four years marked by violent protests and drug decriminalization, Portland is poised for big changes.

Four years later the city is still recovering in part from the Trump administration's approach to the George Floyd riots that happened everywhere, but were particularly virulent in Oregon. Changing the government to a "weak mayor" (though it sounds like that job description hasn't been fully fleshed out) and broader city council will be more representative. From the article, a note about how those Council seats are now chosen (more fairly):

The City Council race, meanwhile, is mayhem. Portland is switching from four at-large seats to twelve seats representing four districts. The dozens of candidates include Black Lives Matter leaders, nonprofit advocates, business owners and police officers.

And above all, they are instituting ranked choice voting. That is something we need to see a lot more of. It takes care of breaking ties and under 50% results (that typically lead to a runoff).

The federal government needs to pass a strong voting rights act; there was one in place but lawsuits that made it to the Supreme Court have resulted in the conservative majority slowly dismantling those rights, just like they got rid of Roe v. Wade. Once voting rights are enshrined a lot of other work can happen. (We also need to get rid of that odious Supreme Court allowing Citizens United to let businesses have free unlimited speech. Businesses should not have personhood, but that's the way it is now).

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Oct 24 - 10:30 AM

Not optimistic, but hopeful. Well, hoping.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Oct 24 - 11:32 PM

In his mad scramble to stay relevant and at the top of the news cycle, Trump's disinformation about FEMA and Helene rescue efforts have put a large federal agency in extra urgency mode to combat the lies he is telling.

‘The worst I have ever seen’: Disinformation chaos hammers FEMA
Conspiracies and rumors are hurting recovery and relief efforts, warned FEMA Administrator Deanne Criswell.

They are having to double up FEMA field workers for their own safely, reducing the number of places the agency can go in any given day. Even if they split up and work opposite sides of the street, it reduces efficiency.

FEMA Administrator Deanne Criswell said the swirl of false conspiracy theories around Hurricane Helene is dissuading survivors from seeking help and hurting morale among responders.

“It is absolutely the worst I have ever seen,” Criswell told reporters on a Tuesday morning call.

“It’s creating distrust in the federal government, but also the state government, and we have so many first responders that have been working to go out and help these communities,” she added.

The agency has long had a rumor control page to combat the kind of scams that often flourish after a disaster, she added. “I anticipated some of this, but not to the extent that we’re seeing.”

Many of the falsehoods can be traced back to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and his supporters, who have baselessly accused federal responders of diverting disaster money to immigrants.

Biden had a few words aimed directly at Trump:

“Those who do it, do it to try to damage the administration,” Biden said at a hurricane briefing at the White House. “We can take care of ourselves, but it misleads people, it puts people in circumstances where they panic, where they really, really, really worry and think ‘we’re not being taken care of.’ ... It’s un-American, it really is; people are scared to death, people know their lives are at stake.”

At this point, the Harris campaign is running an ad with quotes from the five governors involved, four of them Republican, all saying that FEMA and the Biden administration have been attentive and helpful, deploying a lot of resources.

Trump is a hot mess. That's all there is to it. His advisors should give him a sharp slap upside the head, but instead they tell him exactly what he wants to hear and let him continue to do damage.

The New York Times apparently has been lax in calling out Trump because the current publisher, one of the "nepo babies" in the business world, couldn't get the Biden or Harris interviews he wanted. I subscribe, but I'm getting closer and closer to dropping them. (I have two friends who have gift subscriptions based upon my account or I'd have dropped them already.)

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Oct 24 - 04:17 PM

Yes, I read the New York TImes piece about the Texas theocrat/Republicans, and it is indeed scary.

I have to concur with Thompson about the state of Time magazine;
I too am old enough to remember journalism of substance in it.
Now there must be a whole generation of readers who don't know better.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 08 Oct 24 - 03:20 PM

Won't play for me; I did see one bit of it where she was asked a sticky question and answered, with an honest gaze, a different question - a typical politician's trick. What do they think we are, dim?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Oct 24 - 01:33 PM

There were presidential candidate interviews offered by CBS on its long running news and interview program 60 Minutes. Harris did an interview last night, but we have learned that when Trump was informed that they would be fact-checking during the interview he backed out.

If you try to watch that online, CBS is really fussy about ad blockers and some security software. I have one browser set for loading that site if I want to watch their stuff (I don't want my default browser set without the ad block and such.) This is the direct link to her interview.

The Democrats have lined up quite a range if big interviews this month, to get the most bang for the interview buck. Many people (myself included) have their absentee ballots and can mail them any time now until November 5. I'm mailing mine later today.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 08 Oct 24 - 10:01 AM

Depressing thought. The mere concept "armaments industry" is a depressing thought.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Oct 24 - 09:38 AM

imo, usa establishment news   is right wing,
imo there will be little difference on miltary spending whichever of the two candidates is elected, both candidates have been funded by the armament industry

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 04:20 PM

Is Newsweek tilting or was it always right-inclined?
Reading Time for the first time in yonks, I'm saddened by how lightweight it's become. Used to be not bad on news.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 03:07 PM

How Two Billionaire Preachers Remade Texas Politics. The article is a gift from the New York Times - these are the kinds of folks inside the US who are meddling with our politics. The subhead: They control Republican politics in the state. Now they’re poised to take their theocratic agenda nationwide.

Damned scary stuff.

More scary stuff from Trump (not gift, may have to try different browsers to read): Trump’s Plans Could Increase U.S. Debt While Raising Costs for Most Americans
A new analysis finds that Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald J. Trump’s plans would both add to the deficit, but Mr. Trump’s proposals could create a fiscal hole twice as big.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 01:44 PM

”We have noted the meddling in US politics by Israel and Russia, but enough about the fighting by Israel: an old thread has all of the moved posts so duke it out over there

Errrrrrmmm…clicking the link results in “Access Denied”.

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Fixed. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 12:21 PM

Newsweek is tilting toward Trump with a recent article that quotes a critic but doesn't get a FEMA response about Helene rescue work in North Carolina (other federal people talk about the response, but none from FEMA. They're probably too busy.) And the usual Trump drivel about "they used it all up for immigrants" came up again, but at least they answered that with correct information:

Scrutiny about FEMA spending has increased in recent weeks after FEMA spent money on assisting communities across the country dealing with an influx of migrants through its Shelter and Services Program (SSP). The program had a budget of $640 million for the 2024 Fiscal Year, which ended on September 30.

Former President Donald Trump, the GOP's presidential nominee, has criticized the SSP, which helps local governments and nonprofits support migrants. However, FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) have denied that any FEMA disaster relief funds have gone to the program.

"The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is a completely separate, appropriated grant program that was authorized and funded by Congress and is not associated in any way with FEMA's disaster-related authorities or funding streams," a DHS spokesperson previously told Newsweek.

Biden will have to work with Congress (who hold the purse strings) to get additional funds to FEMA in the face of this colossal storm. It happens every few years. I'm sure Harris will be consulted and participate in the process. Will the GOP House cooperate? Probably, since so many of the affected states have mostly GOP representation right now.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 24 - 11:47 AM

We have noted the meddling in US politics by Israel and Russia, but enough about the fighting by Israel: an old thread has all of the moved posts so duke it out over there. Acknowledging that interference is probably Netanyahu's goal doesn't mean that whole war needs to be transacted here. Take it to the older thread.

There has also been reporting about Putin's attempts also - when Biden dropped out this report came out pretty quickly, dated September 17.

Microsoft said the video and its laundering through a sham news site was consistent with the tactics of an influence operation it has tracked in previous reports. Researchers at the misinformation-tracking company NewsGuard have linked that operation to a former deputy sheriff from Florida who now lives in Moscow.

Another inauthentic video Microsoft attributed to the same operation appeared to depict "an attack by alleged Harris supporters on what the video’s amplifiers claim is a Trump rally attendee." It racked up millions of views.

Right now hurricanes are taking the lustre off of political campaigns (those that tell the truth, at any rate). The impact of Helene in the US southeast doesn't mean those people stopped caring about the politics - they may care more now, knowing that FEMA needs to continue to be funded to help them for long after this election season. Victims of Katrina lived in FEMA trailers for years as new homes were found our built. Apartment assistance paid for as families moved out of destroyed neighborhoods to surrounding states. Anyone who thinks Trump is going to dismiss and dismantle the system in place will be desperate to vote, if they can find a way to do it. Once they've got a shelter and found or recovered family members. It's a mess at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 01:01 PM

Trump returned to the scene of the first assassination attempt in Butler, PA. For what point it's hard to tell. Attention, mostly, and a larger turnout, just to see if anything else happens?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Oct 24 - 03:27 PM

Netanyahu is pushing a lot of buttons in the Mideast that have a toxic ripple effect.

Democrats suspect Netanyahu attempting to tilt Trump-Harris race

Democrats increasingly suspect Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to interfere in U.S. domestic politics by ignoring President Biden’s calls to negotiate a peace deal in Gaza and by confronting Hezbollah and Iran weeks before the U.S. election.

The rapidly escalating confrontation between Israel, Hezbollah and Hezbollah’s ally, Iran, has undercut Biden’s efforts to achieve peace through diplomacy.

The growing threat of a broader conflict has opened the door for former President Trump to argue that the world is “spiraling out of control” on Biden’s watch.

Biden’s polling numbers with Muslim Americans continue to deteriorate amid the mounting violence in the region, which poses a serious political liability to Vice President Harris in Michigan, a must-win state for Democrats.

Trump traveled to Michigan on Thursday to speak at a rally in Saginaw.

Meanwhile, Netanyahu’s relationship with even the most pro-Israel Democrats has becoming increasingly confrontational.

Further down the page

Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken have pressed Netanyahu for nearly a year to negotiate a cease-fire deal, and U.S. officials say that the Israeli prime minister largely agreed to one privately before later backing away.

Instead of lowering the temperature in the region as Biden had asked, the Netanyahu regime has escalated the situation by killing a top Hezbollah commander in Beirut in July and allegedly assassinating Ismail Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas, in Tehran.

Then, last month, Israel stepped up its offensive against Hezbollah by detonating explosives inside pagers and walkie-talkies controlled by Hezbollah members, killing 32 people and wounding nearly 3,000 others.

That was followed by an Israeli airstrike Beirut last week that killed Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, along with members of his inner circle.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 04 Oct 24 - 12:31 PM

FEMA are calling out the lie on their website but they are being diplomatic and referring to it as a rumour.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 24 - 11:08 PM

Trump is stumping, lying about FEMA and help to the states hit by Hurricane Helene. Stating that they're out of money because Biden spent it all of illegal immigrants. Total fabrication (even his VP candidate couldn't go with that lie - he acknowledged the FEMA work today).

His campaign style is dangerous; people who can't get complete news at this point, with little power, no internet, only radio if they can get a local signal - if they are so unlucky to land on news of Trump's words he is just inspiring even more desperation.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Oct 24 - 04:37 PM

Not really as Guy Fawkes night has nothing to do with America and everything to do with England, Wales and Scotland.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Oct 24 - 02:41 PM

This year, Election Day and Guy Fawkes Day are the same day,
as has been pointed out elsewhere. An omen?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 24 - 05:25 PM

Trump's attorneys tried mightily to prevent the release of the indictment documents by Judge Chutkan, but she released them today. That genie is out of the bottle, even if through various appeals the Supreme Court eventually were to declare them off-limits.

Of course they were released before the election, how else can the electorate know the legal standing and dubious status of the candidate who is running in order to try to shut down all of the criminal trials. The public has a right to know.

Key takeaways from special counsel Jack Smith's major filing in Trump's 2020 election case

The 165-page document is available for anyone to read, and the political pundits are racing through the chapters like a tag team so they can report back to online hosts quickly. One of the first read out on MSNBC this afternoon had to do with pages deep in the document, testimony of a White House aid hurrying into the dining room on January 6, 2021 to tell Trump that Pence has been moved to a more secure location. Trump's response was along the lines of "so what?"

The cases and the election are separate threads here, but they do overlap on occasion, such as when the behavior was so bad on January 6 that the electorate need to know in order to make an informed decision. Anything more about this will go in the trials thread.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Oct 24 - 02:55 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o
bbc source

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Oct 24 - 02:51 PM

The problem with people smuggling across borders, is tryng to deal with organised crime.
Neither of the two candidates has said how they will stop illegal people smuggling across the mexican border., or have they, and how much of a problem is it for the USA?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 02 Oct 24 - 02:33 PM

LOL MaJoC. Funny not funny!!

ou beat me to it. I was just about to post that looking at JD Vance, with his cold blue eyes and deadpan face looks like he would be dangerous to women in his life. Possibly another #MeToo man - but I'm just picking up the vibe and I could be totally wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 02 Oct 24 - 12:10 PM

Is it just Herself's impression, or does Vance appear to others to be using The Handmaid's Tale as a leadership manual?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Oct 24 - 12:21 PM

Dave, there is a powerful subtext to this election that people are forgetting. Argue about border issues, about tarifs, about Trump wanting to roll back all of the cases against him, and you have a seething, angry, determined LARGE population of girls and women determined not to end up victims of a dystopian future where they are breeders for the xtian nationalist cult or are crone caregivers for those women and babies and the mangled women who have poor outcomes from pregnancies.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Oct 24 - 09:16 AM

5 weeks

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Oct 24 - 08:58 AM

Interesting analysis by Robert Reich in the Guardian.