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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Jul 24 - 04:33 AM Any comments on Vance? Some of his comments look like he is worse than Trump but what do us Brits know..? |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Neil D Date: 16 Jul 24 - 04:24 AM The dude who tried to pot Trump is a registered Republican. Isn't it time we addressed this Republican on Republican violence? |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 15 Jul 24 - 10:46 PM That article is saying the misnaming is not a sign of cognitive decline, so basically Biden is still capable until proven otherwise. The article was a finding in Biden's favour and a justification for not jumping to conclusions about his cognitive state based on something we all do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Jul 24 - 04:55 PM Everyone does that misnaming - how often did you call out the names of each child and possibly the dog before you got to the name you meant to call? Trump has selected a running mate that will require the least amount of design change in their campaign banners: remove " This week will be a flurry of information about Trump and the GOP. The Democratic party usually lays low and lets it happen. There are lots of early clips of Vance talking about how awful Trump is (back in the 2016 election era) that will make the rounds. Next week the hard work starts. Getting people registered and motivated to go vote. I live in a deeply Republican state, but in urban areas, the GOP doesn't have quite as much clout. Biden got the most votes in my county, which was a few years ago named the most Republican county in the country. If you can't say anything helpful, consider sitting on your hands. Borrowing trouble does no one any good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 15 Jul 24 - 03:41 PM Slip-ups like Joe Biden's misnaming of Trump and Harris are common, and usually caused by lack of sleep or stress, experts say "In short: US President Joe Biden has been criticised after accidentally referring to his vice-president, Kamala Harris, as 'vice-president Trump'. "Neuroscientists say it is very common to accidentally misname someone or something. "The brain groups names which are related or sound similar and can draw on the wrong one under stress or when lacking sleep." .... "Could misnaming be an early sign of cognitive decline? "Neuroscientist Damian Holsinger from the University of Sydney specialises in Alzheimer's disease and said it would be unfair to assume Mr Biden is in a state of cognitive decline based only on naming slip-ups. "'There is no correlation,' he said. "'This is probably aged-related memory decline, not dementia.'" |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 15 Jul 24 - 02:03 PM It doesn't look that way to us outside the US Stilly but if you still think he has no chance, thanks for that glimmer of hope anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Jul 24 - 01:24 PM It is exactly the same as before. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 15 Jul 24 - 01:20 PM Anyone still think he has no chance of winning? Heaven help us all... |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Jul 24 - 11:55 AM That article read like word salad, so it didn't get a deep reading from me. Agreed, SPB-Cooperator. We need to continue to highlight Trump's bad acts—indeed, what's past is prologue. Heather Cox Richardson's post from July 14 reminds us of all sorts of GOP threats of violence against the American public (and Trump's threats against individuals - to rough up people, etc.) Edward Luce of the Financial Times noted, “Almost any criticism of Trump is already being spun by Maga as an incitement to assassinate him. This is an Orwellian attempt to silence what remains of the effort to stop him from regaining power.” Indeed, MAGA Republicans appear to be trying to stop discussion of their extremist plans— which are enormously unpopular— by claiming that such a discussion is polarizing. etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 15 Jul 24 - 08:17 AM The trouble with failed assassination attempts is that they elevate evil stains on the fabric of humanity to hero status. I would not be surprised if that despicable gobs**te will exploit this for every vote it can get. US news should be reminding voters every day how trump incited a revolt that led to the deaths of Brian Sicknick, Kyle DeFreytag, Howard Liebengood, Gunther Hashida, not to mention those who suffered life changing injuries. If that is the kind of lowlife US wants to elect as its president then it will surely be effectively handing in its resignation as being considered a civilised country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 15 Jul 24 - 01:45 AM Stilly, I didn't agree with that particular sentence in the article. I think he was representing the opposing views of both Biden and Trump, but not necessarily his own personal views. I have watched and read many of John Lyons' segments and he seems to have a military mind when it comes to analysing strategy. I think he was analysing political strategy in that article so maybe if you re-read it from that viewpoint it might be a little less confronting. Perhaps. I didn't post all of the article here and I wasn't trying to upset anyone. Sorry if I did. :-( |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Jul 24 - 10:22 PM "Joe Biden — a frail, incumbent president who struggles to get through a one hour news conference without misspeaking the name of a world leader or his own vice president — was fighting in the polls beside Trump, a convicted felon . . ." That isn't accurate about Biden; he did just fine at the press conference, no more than the usual slips that have been in his public speaking over the past 50 years or so. We don't know what would have happened if the shooter had succeeded, but while the suggestion that US democracy is under pressure is reasonable, the general characterisation of that piece is a dystopian rant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 14 Jul 24 - 06:19 PM Charmion's brother Andrew, I'm hoping that this shows President Biden in his true light, and that the people trying to push him aside will let him get on with the job and hopefully succeed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Charmion's brother Andrew Date: 14 Jul 24 - 06:07 PM Helen, I thought Mr. Biden's remarks about "Donald" were heart-felt and fitting. I saw as much of his presser as CNN would broadcast, and the incumbent seemed not to stumble to respond to the media's questions at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Charmion Date: 14 Jul 24 - 05:22 PM Sow thee wind, reap the whirlwind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 14 Jul 24 - 04:08 PM This is an article by[ABC Oz's] global affairs editor John Lyons. In my opinion, he is always worth following because he is highly knowledgeable and analytical. The Trump assassination attempt drives a line through the fabric of US democracy — fabric which was already frayed "A bitterly divided United States has just become dangerously divided. "This is a time for anyone with influence in the US to exercise their power to calm a shaken nation — rather than to stoke divisions and fears. "The assassination attempt on Donald Trump has driven a new and extremely disturbing fault line straight through the fabric of American democracy — a fabric which was already fraying. "The fragility of American stability and democracy is demonstrated by contemplating that had the shooter in Pennsylvania succeeded in killing Trump, would it have unleashed civil unrest in the US? "Had one bullet been a few centimetres closer to Trump's brain — rather than grazed his ear — it could have changed US history and may have sent the US into a spiral of chaos and possibly violence in the streets." "Stress on an already strained democracy "American democracy and good governance was already under pressure. "Joe Biden — a frail, incumbent president who struggles to get through a one hour news conference without misspeaking the name of a world leader or his own vice president — was fighting in the polls beside Trump, a convicted felon who has promised the powerful gun lobby, the National Rifle Association, that should he win in November he will not curtail the easy access Americans have to guns. This is surely an uncomfortable irony, given Trump was almost killed by a gun." .... "Shortly after the shooting presidential historian Tim Naftali said the US was now in "a fragile moment" and that this was a time for careful words by opinion makers and influencers. "He told CNN this was a time for those who shaped opinion to "dial down" rhetoric and not a time for "poison and hatred". "'This is a time to stop hating each other', he said. "And those whose views fit the extremes of US politics need to realise that this is deadly serious. Trump may have escaped the attempt on his life but bullets can kill, and did take the life of one man who attended the rally in Pennsylvania. The shooter was also killed. "And in a country awash with guns, words can foment hatred, encouraging unhinged people to take to violence." |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: robomatic Date: 14 Jul 24 - 03:49 PM It'll be interesting to get TRMP in the interview room and ask him about his left ear and the Second Amendment: There is a lyric going through my tiny mind from Dan Bern: "Commandment 3 says do not kill Amendment 2 says blood will spill God sits in his rocking chair Two flat tires and one good spare" |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: keberoxu Date: 14 Jul 24 - 02:57 PM "minions" Despicable He ?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 14 Jul 24 - 11:38 AM I know all that Bill and Doug and I abhor these stupid conspiracy theories. The sad thing is that with Trump, nothing surprises us any more. Just you watch what mileage he will get out of his maga minions selling the story that it was a deep state plot by Biden |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Doug Chadwick Date: 14 Jul 24 - 10:32 AM "Orchestrated" would have been a single shot, wide by a couple of feet or so, that hit some stage equipment. A spray of bullets that hits the intended target in the ear and goes on to kill and injure others, was a serious attempt at assassination. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: meself Date: 14 Jul 24 - 10:30 AM Yup - let the Conspiracy Theory Olympics begin! |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Bill D Date: 14 Jul 24 - 08:48 AM No one can **orchestrate** something like that! One idiot decides to be a hero and immediately there are conspiracy theories abounding.... some serious and some just to stir the pot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Neil D Date: 14 Jul 24 - 07:33 AM We're screwed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Mr Red Date: 14 Jul 24 - 04:34 AM orchestrated even if not the GOP will play that card. But there are other potential "orchestrators" ............ how paranoiac should we be? |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Backwoodsman Date: 14 Jul 24 - 04:05 AM Here’s The i’s take on the Trump assassination attempt. The i is my preferred choice of newspaper due to its non-affiliation to any political party. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 14 Jul 24 - 03:41 AM Sadly, given Trump's track record, the first thing that sprang to my mind was that it was orchestrated. I fear you are right though BWM :-( |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Backwoodsman Date: 14 Jul 24 - 03:01 AM Trump’s supporters are already blaming Biden for ‘inciting’ this assassination attempt, according to BBC News. They are reporting a very dark change in American politics. The only thing that surprises me about this incident is that it seems to have come as a surprise. I’ve been expecting it ever since Trump announced his intention to run for 47. He speaks the language of a violent man, and violence begets violence. I’m of the mind that this is very likely a blessing in disguise for the Republicans’ campaign, that it may well encourage a ‘sympathy-vote’ from those currently undecided, and I’m even more convinced now that Trump will be elected in November. I’m praying that I’m wrong but… https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0359j43d78o |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 13 Jul 24 - 11:17 PM There are so many ways this could play out now. Trump being seen as a martyr is one of those ways with the worst consequences, I think. It could turn some of the swinging voters' choices towards him. Being in the line of fire at an open air rally might discourage his supporters from attending, but might not change their voting choices. Or, Trump might be too scared to stand out in the open again and be a potential target for the next possible attempt. One thing I would like to see is that his supporters might suddenly have a revelation regarding the Capitol riot. It's more up close and personal now that they themselves have been in the firing line. Democrats can use the opportunity to show how much more humane they are towards Trump than Trump is towards them. Democrats can decry the use of violence for political reasons. President Biden has already contacted Trump to check on his welfare and we know Trump would not have done that if the tables were turned. He would have used the incident as political ammunition to attack Biden. Wait and see what happens. That's all we can do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Jul 24 - 09:05 PM I keep the news off much of the day lately, it's too depressing. This was a surprise, to learn of what happened at this rally. The last thing we need is Trump turned into a martyr. (Now I'll put money on just how fast Trump manages to blame Biden for this assault.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Charley Noble Date: 13 Jul 24 - 08:50 PM And so the Presidential Campaign shifts into a new gear. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 13 Jul 24 - 07:47 PM Donald Trump rushed off stage, audience member dead after shots fired at rally in Pennsylvania "Donald Trump has been rushed off stage with blood on his face and at least two people, including a suspected gunman, have been killed at a political rally in the United States." |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 13 Jul 24 - 04:47 PM People who worked with Donald Trump on the man who wants to be president again Some differing viewpoints on Trump: Anthony Scaramucci Miles Taylor [I like his one-liner - "'He's just a f***ing idiot,' he says."] John Bolton Gordon Sondland [supports Trump] Chad Wolf [supports Trump] Peter Strzok Peter Strzok "was a senior official in the FBI's Counterintelligence Division who led the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election won by Trump. He was forced to resign when private texts that denigrated Trump were made public." He refers to Project 2025: "Should he win back the presidency, Trump has vowed to pursue 'retribution' for himself and the Americans who feel they've been left behind by wokeism and liberal politics. "But the plan for his second coming isn't all talk; he's supported by a coalition of conservative groups with a plan for power known as Project 2025, and has made dismantling institutions in Washington that he feels have wronged him, such as the Department of Justice, a top priority. "That sends a chill up the spine of Peter Strzok." |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: robomatic Date: 13 Jul 24 - 03:18 PM NPR has done their own poll which shows Biden has slipped very little since against TRMP since the debate. Partly because the American common people are not asdumbasallthat and there are many official Democrats who are cowards, which Biden is not. There is a real risk in that though the poll MAY be accurate, it does not address the issue of the flippable states. And I don't think we can change the Constitution to eliminate the Electoral College in time for the upcoming election. I'll just spend some time finding a way to blame our system on the Victorians. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 13 Jul 24 - 02:44 PM Ok, I confess Rain Dog. I don't have a vote, but I do have genuine worries about Trump being re-elected because of the Australia-US alliance on various issues. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Backwoodsman Date: 13 Jul 24 - 02:23 PM 99…Aa-a-a-and…….. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 13 Jul 24 - 02:18 PM 98... |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Rain Dog Date: 13 Jul 24 - 07:02 AM They have an opinion just like those of us who also have an opinion. Unlike some of us who post on this thread, they probably also have a vote and a genuine worry about the forthcoming election. I remember a lot of the coverage of Reagan's campaign and his time in office. It did not stop him from being elected. No doubt there is a difference of opinion amongst the 'experts' involved in decisions within the Democrats. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 13 Jul 24 - 06:50 AM I agree, Lighter. It makes me wonder whether the actors are conflating their real world understanding with the fictional character roles they have played on screen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Lighter Date: 13 Jul 24 - 06:40 AM Their presumed degree of influence on the public is what's disturbing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 13 Jul 24 - 04:57 AM I keep wondering why various actors are putting forward their opinions on President Biden and not leaving the political strategy decisions to the experts. I also think that the high profile people expressing their opinions about Joe Biden choosing to stay in the race are putting the country at risk because, in my opinion, if President Biden backs out of the race now the chances of someone else gaining enough traction at this late stage is fairly slim. I think Trump is gaining traction through the to-and-fro discussions. That's just my opinion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Jul 24 - 11:36 AM So is your content, Dick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: The Sandman Date: 12 Jul 24 - 11:22 AM All supposition. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Jul 24 - 11:06 AM Enough hand-wringing, Dick! The candidate selection process is usually more orderly with primaries, but I think after people see the mess that is the GOP next week at their convention it will all settle down behind Biden and things will move forward. For those who aren't in love with Biden as they candidate, they will still vote against Trump. The down ballot candidates are the ones making the most fuss right now, but again, Democrats know that it isn't just the president, it is the house and senate, and where they are elected, judges, who will make a difference against this insane Project 2025 manifesto the Heritage Foundation has cooked up (with all sorts of past Trump administration officials). Trump can't get away with pretending he doesn't know what it is, or that it wouldn't go into effect were he elected. As great as HE thinks he is, all of those puppet masters around him really know who would be pulling the strings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: The Sandman Date: 12 Jul 24 - 03:43 AM https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/11/bidens-candidacy-in-crisis-as-clooney-us-senator-call-on-him-to-quit |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: The Sandman Date: 11 Jul 24 - 03:31 AM https://data.usatoday.com/2024-presidential-candidates-top-contributors-as-of-march-2024/?ref=kennedy |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: The Sandman Date: 11 Jul 24 - 02:40 AM here are some donors to Trumps campaign TIMOTHY MELLON Timothy Mellon, an 81-year-old heir of the Pittsburgh-based Mellon banking family, has given the pro-Trump super PAC known as MAGA Inc at least $16.5 million since 2022. He also gave at least $20 million to a pro-Trump super PAC called America First Action Inc during the 2020 presidential election. ISAAC AND LAURA PERLMUTTER Isaac "Ike" Perlmutter, the former chairman of Marvel Entertainment, and his wife Laura Perlmutter have donated more than $10 million in this election cycle to a new pro-Trump fundraising super PAC called Right for America. Perlmutter has been a regular at Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida and has been a longtime contributor to Trump's campaigns. The Perlmutters gave at least $21 million to America First Action Inc in 2020. PATRICIA DUGGAN Patricia Duggan, a major donor to the Church of Scientology, has given MAGA Inc more than $5 million this election cycle. Her ex-husband Robert Duggan is an investor and entrepreneur whose fortunes were boosted by the 2015 sale of cancer drug maker Pharmacyclics to AbbVie (ABBV.N) , opens new tab for $21 billion. Forbes puts his net worth at about $3.3 billion, opens new tab. ROBERT BIGELOW Nevada budget hotel tycoon Robert Bigelow, 79, has given MAGA Inc over $9 million in this cycle. Bigelow told Reuters in January he had pledged to give the pro-Trump group a total of $20 million. Bigelow, who has a fascination with UFOs and space and funds various research efforts, has dined with Trump at Mar-a-Lago. Bigelow says he donated $1 million for Trump's legal funds. In 2011, Forbes , opens new tab estimated Bigelow's real estate holdings were worth around $700 million. info from Reuters |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Rain Dog Date: 11 Jul 24 - 02:31 AM Thanks for the info, SRS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: The Sandman Date: 11 Jul 24 - 01:55 AM my impression is that some voters feel unreprsented and see Trump as anti establishment[ which he is not] |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: The Sandman Date: 10 Jul 24 - 11:48 PM where does the real power lie? The aramaments industry?The corporations? does it matter that Biden has senior moments occasionnally |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Jul 24 - 02:51 PM There used to be lots of ways to register in Texas, for example when you renew your driver's license you could check a box to register yourself at the address of record. Mail in applications, walk in at county courthouse locations, and there are sometimes mailings from interested non-partisan groups that include the forms. I don't know if any of those are still allowed. The trouble these days is that the GOP is trying to remove registered voters by purging the rolls if people haven't voted recently or they suspect someone isn't eligible (for whatever cooked-up reason.) Then you have to be sure to get yourself added back in. So yes, checking to be sure you're still registered is important. It varies from state to state, the more liberal locations make it as easy to register, and also to vote. Mail in, for the big one. During COVID lots of places had drive-through voting and in Texas the Secy of State fought that (because it was done in the Democratic region of Harris County, where Houston is situated). I can check online to be sure that my mail in ballot was accepted (you put the ballot inside a larger envelope on which your voter ID and signature are there for confirmation that you are voting in your own name.) If it is rejected for some reason you can go to the polling place on election day and vote. But you have to know that it was rejected in order to do that. Some places have same-day registration, so if you're new in town you register and vote at the same place. Not here. In Texas you have to have registered 30 days or more before the election. |