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BS: American Presidential race 2024

Backwoodsman 29 Oct 24 - 09:14 AM
Donuel 29 Oct 24 - 07:48 AM
Dave the Gnome 29 Oct 24 - 05:04 AM
Backwoodsman 29 Oct 24 - 03:27 AM
Helen 28 Oct 24 - 10:20 PM
Stilly River Sage 28 Oct 24 - 08:04 PM
Stilly River Sage 28 Oct 24 - 04:25 PM
Bill D 28 Oct 24 - 03:19 PM
Backwoodsman 28 Oct 24 - 03:10 PM
meself 28 Oct 24 - 02:48 PM
Helen 28 Oct 24 - 02:28 PM
robomatic 28 Oct 24 - 01:47 PM
Stilly River Sage 28 Oct 24 - 12:30 PM
Backwoodsman 28 Oct 24 - 12:21 PM
MaJoC the Filk 28 Oct 24 - 11:47 AM
Bill D 28 Oct 24 - 10:49 AM
SPB-Cooperator 28 Oct 24 - 08:49 AM
Donuel 28 Oct 24 - 08:15 AM
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Mrrzy 27 Oct 24 - 10:07 AM
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Dave the Gnome 26 Oct 24 - 10:31 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 09:14 AM

Me too, Dave, but it was an intriguing insight into how tRumpism has got into the heads of the very people you would expect to detest him the most.

Fingers crossed he’ll be just a bad memory by the end of next week. But I’m not holding my breath, I think the show’s only just beginning, judging by what happened last time.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 07:48 AM

Results will not be final on Tuesday or Wednesday or Thur...

Hijinks will come from Arizona, Georgia, M...

CHEETO WILL DECLARE VICTORY before the biscuits are baked.

Harris can not lose Pennsylvania. If she does lose PA she won't reach 270 and Trump will probably win. That scenario does not include surprises.

Although hate hits quickly and joy arrives late, I refuse to see the USA as mostly NAZI.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 05:04 AM

It's too depressing BWM and will make no difference at this stage. Not sticking my head in the sand just wanting to retain some hope for next Tuesday!


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Oct 24 - 03:27 AM

Here’s a review in The Guardian of last night’s BBC ‘Panorama’ presentation, ‘Trump - A Second Chance?’. I watched the programme and was gobsmacked and horrified. I would recommend US-ers to watch it, if they can get it over there - it’s available on the BBC iPlayer.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 10:20 PM

I'm happy to see that Elon Musk and his super PAC is being sued by the Philadelphia DA over his $1M sweepstakes.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 08:04 PM

Sunday in Costco the store was full of carts with small children in tow as parents shopped. Back near the rotisserie chicken counter one Black woman with the large flat cart had two toddlers in the child seats, a bit older child sitting on boxed groceries on the cart, and a taller child walking beside her. As I passed by I smiled and said "you have your hands full!" as she wrangled the family and groceries. She smiled and agreed, then broke her step and turned back and said "great t-shirt, by the way." I thanked her and we moved in opposite directions.

My shirt didn't have any words, it's subtle, with three panels, each a photo of Kamala at different ages. The middle photo is that striking shot of her around law-school age (this is linked via Snopes, saying it's a real photo.) A lot of people are paying attention, but aren't displaying their politics overtly.

People are telling me about Harris signs popping up in places they have never seen them before, and it takes nerve to put up signs, because it can make you a target of Trump supporters. There is a large Harris sign near a freeway ramp that was vandalized with red spray paint - but that says more about the Trump folks than anything else. Texas has been declared a "red" state but it is actually purple - the 9 largest urban counties are all blue, but with 250+ counties in the state there is a lot of rural red voting we have to compensate for. I'm in a county that recently was declared the "most conservative GOP county in the country" - but Biden won here in 2020.

Turning off the social media accounts that pump nonstop memes and photos of people with "I Voted" stickers. Looking for ways to help get voters to the polls (volunteer to drive folks) in the next few days of early voting and then on Tuesday, Nov. 5.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 04:25 PM

Trump was really late arriving so his long talk went way past what people probably planned as their end of the evening. The place was packed but it's good he saw them leaving. Whatever will spoil his evening.

Two commentaries from Heather Cox Richardson, I hope the links open:

October 26, 2024 about fascism - much of it read from a March 24, 1945, pamphlet for US Army personnel. This is enlightening.

October 27, 2024 discusses the Trump rally at MSG. There is a transcript below the audio player on both.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 03:19 PM

It is not contradictory to be descended from immigrants, Scottish and otherwise, and still worry about illegal immigration.
   What is hateful and stupid is basing one's concern on contempt for just one ethnic group.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 03:10 PM

I sincerely hope that is a joke, in bad taste though it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: meself
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 02:48 PM

"It strikes me as deeply odd that the vast majority of those Americans protesting immigration are themselves immigrants or descendants of immigrants."

You don't get it: "MY grandparents were GOOD immigrants; they FOLLOWED THE RULES and WORKED HARD - not like these immigrants today, who are illegal and just want to live on welfare!!"


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 02:28 PM

SRS, in an article I read about the Madison Square Garden rally, Trump spoke for 80 minutes but people started leaving before he stopped talking.

Trump's Madison Square Garden appearance takes aim at Harris, migrants, Puerto Rico — the latest from the US election campaign trail

"Media on the ground noted the crowd at the initially packed arena had begun to thin considerably before the speech finished."


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 01:47 PM

Just like a human response to irrationality is more irrationality, it is worthwhile to have standards and then keep them. It's just not easy.

Unfortunately we are still in a world where there is a limit to truth and sanity, but no limit to lies and insanity.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 12:30 PM

It seems Madison Square Garden was packed and there was an overflow crowd watching the racist hyperbole on screens outside. Trump brings out the worst in people and it is tempting to suggest that if there was facial recognition software in effect at the place they have a large pool of possible suspects if there is any rioting or vandalism after the election. Democrats crochet hats and march, Republicans assault the Capitol.

Any other suggestions as to what to do about that crowd are entirely inappropriate and are the reason Democrats aren't making them.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 12:21 PM

It strikes me as deeply odd that the vast majority of those Americans protesting immigration are themselves immigrants or descendants of immigrants. Liberty must be weeping on her little island.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 11:47 AM

It does strike me as deeply odd that someone will loudly protest at immigration one minute, and equally loudly claim Scottish ancestry the next.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 10:49 AM

SPB... who said anything like 70%?

Any is too many, but your generalization is silly.
There is an obvious need to control our Southern border, but folkies are far from the only ones who want it done in a fair and thoughtful way.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 08:49 AM

SRS, if 70% of Americans are in favour of what would effectively be concentration camps for arriving and even settled migrants, I despair for your country, to the effect that folkies seem to be the only decent people.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Oct 24 - 08:15 AM

I recall Pat saying lock and load. Ride to the sound of gunfire boys!

Hitler lied about the inferiority of Jews and Slavs.
Turns out that Einstien and Tesla have changed the world more than your average Aryan.


Trump calls central and south Americans inferior along with your usual KKK examples of non humans.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Oct 24 - 03:25 PM

I believe it was back in 2000 when Pat Buchanon addressed the Republican convention with phrases like "lock and load" and I don't remember the commentator who said: "I haven't read the Republican charter in the original German."

Buchanon's rendition of 20th Century history considered Churchill to be a warmonger.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 24 - 12:03 PM

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/02/20/695941323/when-nazis-took-manhattan

Hitler had his enablement ruling.
Trump has the equivalent from his Supreme Court.

Hitler had concentration camps for enemies by 1933.
Trump is calling for camps for millions of immigrants
be they citizens or not. Political enemies may get different lodging,
or not.

Hitler had a Kristallnacht and Trump speaks of a purge.

The typical Trump voter did not go to college.
The intelligentsia is therefore the enemy again, billionaires aside.
Most Nazi corporations did very well and exist today be it Krups
or Mercedes and Porsche.

The 900-page 2025 project is the handbook for a modern Nazi State.
It puts Mein Kampf in the shade.

This election is largely up to women. Your average truck driver is voting for Trump. Despite the polls, this choice will be a close one.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 24 - 11:08 AM

Trump is hosting a rally at Madison Square Garden. I sure hope there is an independent head-counter there to let us know how many New Yorkers give a rats ass about Trump to attend a rally.

Meanwhile, Harris is walking into the lion's den - small events in Philadelphia, primarily focussing on Black men, some of whom have dismissed her because of old lies told by Trump (about her prosecuting Black men in California and locking them up; in fact, she had programs in place to avoid incarceration altogether.)


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Oct 24 - 10:07 AM

Bonfires,metaphorical here...

10 days


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 01:17 PM

It'll b!e a Guy Fawkes Day to Remember!

Will The People blow up the Houses of Congress?!


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 10:31 AM

Good article Thompson but sadly it will be dismissed as listening to the polls on here :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 26 Oct 24 - 05:19 AM

Scott Lucas, Professor of International Politics at the Clinton Institute, University College, Dublin, writing in The Examiner, an Irish paper, on Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 25 Oct 24 - 03:27 PM

The image of God sitting in a room of a house reminds me of my favourite cartoon ever. I saw it in a book about sci-fi many decades ago and I have a copy of it filed away somewhere safe, i.e. I can't remember where it is, so I can't give the name of the cartoonist.

Briefly, a man is in a space ship, travelling far, far away in the universe, sees lots of signs saying "Go back, end of the universe" then God (portrayed as a bearded old man) is sitting in his lounge room when a teeny-tiny spaceship jumps out of his aquarium-style container and lands on the floor. He picks it up, puts it on the mantle piece and says, "I'll just put that with all the others" and there are a few more spaceships lined up on the shelf.

Sorry for the discussion detour.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 25 Oct 24 - 12:56 PM

Thanks for your verse of hope, Ebbie.

I think it is more useful to focus on hope than on doom and gloom, and in the U.S. it is especially important in motivating people to vote. If they focus on despair they think there is no point in voting because the result is perceived to be inevitable. If they think their vote can make a difference, they will vote.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Oct 24 - 12:17 PM

Right after Trump was elected a guy in Seattle started a Twitter account called "What the Fuck Just Happened Today?" and he would sum up the day's news in one long run-on sentence, followed by links to the news organizations where each phrase was sourced. I subscribed, and he kept it going during the Biden administration, more or less still focused on the bad behavior of The Former Guy. This came out on Tuesday (numbered by the day of the current administration):
Welcome to Day 1372.

Today in one sentence: 14 days until Election Day; more than 400 doctors and health professionals called on Trump to release his medical records, questioning his mental and physical fitness to serve; Trump has made more than 100 threats to investigate, prosecute, imprison, or punish his perceived opponents since 2022; Elon Musk, Trump’s billionaire backer, told the Life Center megachurch "that no one’s even bothering to try to kill Kamala" because it would be "pointless"; Trump’s plans for mass deportations, tariffs, and tax cuts would drive Social Security to insolvency by 2031 – three years earlier than currently projected; the Biden administration proposed a rule requiring private health insurance plans to cover over-the-counter birth control at no cost to patients; 79% of Republicans favor putting undocumented immigrants in encampments; and 60% of Americans between the ages of 18 and 34 support Harris for president.

Here's the site if anyone is interested in following along. You don't have to pay to read it.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Oct 24 - 04:46 AM

There is a tune that we do, called The End of the World, from the long-ago dobro-playing Oswald Kirby. Players on the various instruments in our group take their turn at being featured, but because I can no longer play guitar because of my frozen shoulder I wrote a couple of verses to the tune, which we all sing when it’s my turn. They go:
“When the darkness gathers ‘round, silently, without sound
Voices bleak seem to speak through the gloom
Everything will disappear, erasing all that I hold dear
Then I believe that I can see the end of the world.

“But with the coming of the dawn when all trace of dark has gone
And the Earth knows its worth, again will bloom
And bright sun’s sweet caress brings me hope and happiness
Then I can see there’ll never be an end of the world.”

And that is the hope I cling to.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 25 Oct 24 - 04:42 AM

God is correct.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 25 Oct 24 - 12:06 AM

No Ebbie. God is sitting in her/his loungeroom, rubbing her/his hands and saying, "My dastardly plan for the end of the world is working. Ha ha ha!"


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Subject: BS: Are Both Right? Is Neither?
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 10:43 PM

I just listened to Elon Musk speaking in Pennsylvania explaining to the audience that this election may be the last free election, that if Trump doesn’t win, our Constitution will be rendered null and void, that the ‘other’ side is trying to destroy America and all it stands for. This is not the first time I have heard MAGA present itself that way. It’s the equivalent of “God is on our side.” On BOTH sides.

Is 'God' sitting in the dining room watching the battle on his television, chortling all the while?

WTHF


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 05:10 PM

Yes, MaJo.. I've been following that Tina Peters case for awhile. MSNBC reported on it just recently. There were some folks in Georgia who made videos of allowing machine tamperers in. I can't remember what happened to them.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 05:07 PM

I don't know whether we have any Islamic/ Palestinian folks in the forum, particularly whether they live in the 'battleground' State of Michigan, but I'm curious as to their current election evaluation.

There have been some national news selected questioning of Muslim voter demographics as to their thinking and apparently many have answered that they are anti-Biden and by extension anti-Harris, regardless of their perception of TRMP as perhaps more unreservedly pro-Israel and anti-Muslim, based on his Presidential track record 2016-2020.

I do not know if or by how much the election will hinge on minorty thinking in this subject, but it certainly MIgHt.

It certainly seems that Muslim and Palestinian issues (which are not exactly the same thing) have a larger sway in the Democratic Party of today. On the other hand, the recent reports indicate that a lot of people simply want to punish the ruling U.S. party in power.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 02:40 PM

Having said earlier that I think Democracy is under attack around the world right now, I add to the subject the paraphrase from an episode of "West Wing" that few people have faith in Democracy after a conversation with the average voter.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 01:57 PM

I haven't seen this anywhere else, but someone's just earned herself nine years in gaol for electoral fraud:

Tina Peters, the former clerk of Mesa County, Colorado, in 2020 tampered with voting machines in an effort to prove the election had been rigged against Trump. The data she allowed to be downloaded made its way to a presentation given by Mike Lindell, the pillow-hawking conspiracist.

This is from an opinion piece by Jesse Wegman for the NY Times, dated 7th October, which is excerpted in the lead entry in RISKS Digest 34.47 (via seclists.org). It's worth reading that entry in its entirety.

Were Turnip to regain power, I foresee an instant pardon.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 01:43 PM

More pundits and news hosts need to make the point that Harris and the Dems didn't raise any prices. The inflationary spiral began with COVID shortages. Then various suppliers and companies used that as an excuse to sneak in unnecessary or higher than necessary hikes.
   Inflation is beginning to slow, but people still just tell themselves. "Well, prices weren't this high under Trump!" as if that were a causal factor. Even with job creation and employment figures doing great, so many just look at the prices and blame whoever in in power! And the GOP of course makes NO effort to dissuade them.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 11:23 AM

Income levels, race, education, gender, sub-groups, all are being treated by pundits as if they're monolithic. And many people have very short memories. This white educated middle class liberal woman is tired of being lumped with the stupid white middle class women who voted for Trump. From Thompson's link to the Times:
Fair enough: But why turn to a lying, abusive billionaire to help them solve their economic problems? Their explanation is simple. Times were good when Trump was president. Now eggs cost nearly three times what they did four years ago, the rate on a car loan is more than 50 percent higher, and some companies are cutting hours. Mr. Trump, they think, is the candidate to turn things around.

Those lower prices were the result of the Obama administration's work. Until Trump crashed everything with his COVID19 idiotic responses. And Biden has been restoring order even as people remember the better days and lower loan rates from the Obama years and unreasonably credit Trump.

The actual voter results are going to reflect the views of a lot of people who are tired of being lumped in opinion pieces. But that other opinion piece you referred to has some good points:
“The first lesson you learn as a pollster is that people are stupid,” Tom Jensen of Public Policy Polling, a Democratic polling firm, told Politico in 2012, presumably in a moment of frustration, as I wrote in my May newsletter.

Stantcheva does not accuse anyone of being stupid, and neither do I. But I think sensible people can err when pure logic bumps into human nature. It’s normal to compare prices when you go shopping. Up is bad. The fifth mistake, however, is to remain anchored to a price from long ago, when conditions were vastly different. I remember when gasoline was less than a buck a gallon. So what?

We human beings are bad at imagining counterfactuals. What would the world be like today if Congress and the White House and the Federal Reserve had moved early and aggressively to keep inflation under control? Much worse, I’m afraid. Prices would be lower, but we very likely would have gone through a long and deep recession.

Inflation, while by no means a good thing overall, did serve a purpose when Covid disrupted the economy, reducing the supply of some items and increasing demand for others. If the overall price level had remained the same, some prices and wages would have had to fall drastically to offset others that rose. But workers hate taking wage cuts, so employers probably would have cut jobs rather than pay more. Inflation allowed employers to impose stealth pay cuts — raises below the rate of inflation — that were more palatable, saving jobs and keeping the economy from spiraling downward.

“The price shock was necessary,” Richard Portes, an economist at the London Business School, told me. “You need inflation to get reallocations after supply shocks. That was necessary. It was right, economically. And now it’s been completed.”

The sixth mistake is for people to say inflation remains high because prices are high. Wrong. Inflation is the increase in prices, not the level of prices. It’s unrealistic to expect prices to go back down to where they were before the pandemic. That would require a Great Depression-scale economic downturn that dried up demand for goods and services. I realize I’m not the first to make this point, but it bears repeating because the mistake keeps being made.

The price of eggs is often cited. The cost of meat. Food can be expensive, but even more so if you don't prepare it yourself, if you buy ready-to-eat dishes or order takeout. Too many people don't know how to do anything else BUT buy processed foods. I recently started reading Michael Pollan's 2008 treatise In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto and I can already see gaping errors in his logic, but he's right about a number of basic things. For example:
What is driving such relentless change in the American diet? One force is the thirty-two-billion-dollar food-marketing machine that thrives on change for its own sake. . . . Part of what drove my grandparents' food culture from the American table was official scientific opinion, which, beginning in the 1960s, decided that animal fat was a deadly substance. And then there were the food manufacturers, which stood to make very little money from my grandmother's cooking, because she was doing so much of it from scratch—up to and including rendering her own cooking fats.

I've said it before, in addition to returning Civics class to our junior high and high schools, Home Economics needs to take a stand and start teaching basic food science and cooking to students because many of them aren't getting it at home. Part of that cooking is shopping, and we had to think about our shopping lists in class. Understand our ingredients and base our menus on what was available. Prodding the Department of Education to promote these classes should be on the top of Harris' to-do list. It wouldn't take a huge effort and the justification is obvious. Smarter voters and shoppers.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 07:58 AM

Apologies for our government interfering in your election ;-)

The odious Farage, who supports the orange one, is up in arms. It seems that even though he has spent time and money supporting Trump himself, no-one from the Labour party is allowed to support Harris. In the report is says "British allies of Trump drew a distinction between the actions of an opposition politician and the governing party." So, a very Trumpian one law for us and one for everyone else.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 07:34 AM

In he event of American voters being stupid enough to re-elect the turnip, can the rest of the world mount a legal challenge and have an international court decide whether or not to remove it and put it out of our misery?


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 07:01 AM

(Underneath that is a piece by an economist saying prices haven't really risen because people are earning more and social welfare rates have risen - you really need to work out how many minutes you need to work to buy your dozen eggs, etc… however, in my experience, working people have a very sound idea indeed of how much they have to spend and whether they have to tighten their belts. Economists, meh, not so much.)


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 06:53 AM

Price rises are squeezing the American working
class. So they plan to vote in a billionaire. (NYT, paywalled.)


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 12:09 AM

Ebby, I went to bed and heard it the next morning. Then asked my daughter to crochet a pink "pussy hat" and went to march at the county courthouse soon after for a local version of the Women's March.

Helen, that Harris rally was a good one, several days ago, when she chided the hecklers for having gone to the wrong event - they probably meant to go to the smaller one down the road.

She handled it like a pro.

Trump is in deep shit these days as his four-star generals (who generally try to stay politically neutral at all times) are coming forward. Two weeks ago Milley said Trump is "Fascist to the core" and today Trump's former Chief of Staff John Kelly has confirmed that opinion. When asked on the CNN Town Hall meeting tonight (that Trump declined to attend) Harris answered Cooper Anderson's question directly - yes, she thinks Trump is a fascist.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Oct 24 - 12:09 AM

I just saw this on Facebook: "On November 5th, it'll be as if the whole world is waiting for a biopsy to come back."

I already know that I want to be alone that evening. I'll never forget that dumbstruck night in November 2016.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 23 Oct 24 - 10:54 PM

Snopes analyses the facts and fiction around the La Crosse WI rally

Note: The purpose of Snopes is to try to find reality among the BS being scattered around the internet.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 23 Oct 24 - 10:43 PM

This morning I watched a video clip on (Oz TV show) Planet America of a very recent Kamala Harris rally where she stopped, looked at something happening at the back of the crowd which was indiscernible and no words could be heard, and said something like, "Did you come to the wrong rally?" and then said that Trump's rally was somewhere else nearby.

The interesting thing is that the GOP propaganda machine, including Fox News has reworked the clip, added a voice track of someone in the crowd supposedly saying "Jesus is Lord", and has then picked up and run with the concept that Kamala was ejecting Christians from her rally.

Who needs AI for generating propaganda when the Fox News people are on the job?


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Oct 24 - 10:34 PM

Well said, meself. Very well said.

I still have my faith in a lot of pissed-off American women voting to do the heavy lifting of shoving that orange piece of offal off of the political stage (before Judge Marchand sentences him to prison. Please please please please please!)


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: meself
Date: 23 Oct 24 - 09:46 PM

As they say, trump is the weak man's idea of a strong man (and the poor man's idea of a rich man, and the stupid man's idea of a smart man).

How anyone gets the impression of "strength" from that pathetic, babbling clown is far, far beyond me.


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Oct 24 - 09:37 PM

I had a short but unsettling conversation with a Native Alaskan woman this morning. The one good thing about it was that she was willing to speak about her stance. Too often Mad Don trumpers aren't able to do so.

She opined that "both sides lie, there is no difference." I said, What is Harris lying about?" Friend said, "Everything! She has no plans, it's just words."

I said, Personally, I think that Trump is awful; I can't imagine what anyone sees in him to vote for. She says, "We need a STRONG leader in these times." Me: A strong and ERRATIC leader is very dangerous.

And so on and so on. robomatic, she is also "disappointed" in Peltola. Frankly, I fear that misogyny is a very big part of the resistance. Hillary was the bellwether- got pretty close but not close enough. Kamala is closer but I fear....


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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: meself
Date: 23 Oct 24 - 03:17 PM

And she was one of the lucky ones who got their children back .....


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