BS: American Presidential race 2024

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Aug 24 - 04:58 AM

Was, MUSK forced to buy twitter?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 10 Aug 24 - 03:58 AM

Funny!

My Hubby sent me something he saw on a forum:

Someone saw a bumper sticker in the US which said. "Pray for Trump Psalm 109:8" and the person looked up the relevant Psalm which says, "Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and brief; and let others step forward to replace him". The person's response was, "At last - I can voice a Biblical prayer for our President". (Maybe this was actually back when he was President.)

That says it all, in my opinion! And it is cleverly disguised as a supposedly supportive message for Trump.

Bring it on! Let the games begin! LOL

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Aug 24 - 12:01 PM

Neil D, you're correct. I forgot, last year Arizona installed a Democratic governor elected in 2022. She got in on a very thin margin also, if I recall the commentary correctly. Brewer was so awful when she was in she left a big imprint as far as general state politics. She and Ducey seem to have supported the Sheriff (Joe Arpaio) who behaved so badly that he had an over-large position in Arizona politics. McSally (R) was appointed to fill the end of McCain's term, then Kelly beat her (there was some great editorial cartooning comparing the two - McSally in her fighter jet and Kelly in the much larger Space Shuttle passing over the top of her.) Looking at the state history they do go back and forth between the parties with reliable regularity.

Bill, you're correct. That trainwreck of the "news conference" by Trump didn't need to be dignified with full coverage.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Aug 24 - 10:36 AM

"- MSNBC gritted it's teeth and played the whole thing,"

And Lawrence O'Donnell spent the first part of his show last night taking all networks to task for blindly covering the thing, and particularly hard on the *journalists* for asking stupid and irrelevant questions.
Since this thing was held at Mar-A-Lago, we don't know who got to ask questions or what the criteria were for being allowed in!
Trump's adventures are being treated as like a huge traffic pile up that they can't resist gawking at, if only to marvel at how many lies he told.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 09 Aug 24 - 12:23 AM

SRS, I'd like to return to something you said a couple days ago:
With a paper-thin majority in the senate, Mark Kelly is in an important position and we can't be sure another Democrat from Arizona would fill his seat for the remainder of his term. I wonder if you could give a bit more detail about why that would be. I thought the governor, a democrat in this case, would be the one to appoint his replacement if Kelly left the senate.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Aug 24 - 05:21 PM

What on earth could people have been thinking when they forced Musk to buy Twitter. It not only destroyed a good forum, it turned it into ground zero for conspiracy stuff and Musk should never be posting there. To the former owners of Twitter - I hope you invested your take from that "sale" well. You lined your pockets at the expense of the world - literally.

I saw a little of the Trump thing - MSNBC gritted it's teeth and played the whole thing, but I couldn't keep watching. Talk about nails on a chalkboard - Trump is awful. Simply awful.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 24 - 03:23 PM

Sadly Bill, like the right wing nutters here in the UK, too many of them exist and they are annoyingly vociferous:-( Hopefully, again like here, the normal, sensible majority will prevail. Just watch out for riots sparked by Musk's right wing enablers.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Aug 24 - 02:44 PM

Now he's live as I type, having suggested 3 dates in Sept. when he claims he'd debate... he's now just doing a stream of consciousness ramble, repeating most of the absurd things he's said in the past, including nonsense about his crowds being larger than anyone else.

Any one who takes him seriously is crazier than he is.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Aug 24 - 01:29 PM

Trump is now awkwardly trying to stage some 'debate' in some venue that he feels vaguely safe in. I'm wondering if he'll finally make up some excuse to back out totally.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Aug 24 - 12:03 PM

Nothing happens quickly in the US Government, and in the military, it is even slower. My ex was a civilian employee in personnel management in the Army and had to apply to retire three months ahead of his proposed retirement. And if you don't leave on the date you said you would, all of that paperwork is tossed and you start all over again.

Trump and Vance have nothing to offer so they are spending their time attacking the Democrats. I heard a recent proposal Trump is trying to float to bring in more votes, so here's the back story: back in the Reagan administration, when he said government was the problem and talked about "welfare queens" he also struck a nasty blow against retirees and started taxing Social Security benefits. That has always been a sore point, because it is benefits we paid into and is being taxed as wages. Trump suggested he would remove the tax from social security - if that gets traction then the Democratic answer should be that this has always been on their radar and would happen regardless of who wins the election.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Thompson
Date: 08 Aug 24 - 11:49 AM

I'm for anyone who'll give schoolkids free school breakfasts and lunches. Large numbers of children in every country go to school either unfed or having eaten something that's not going to keep them alert and intelligent. School meals - nourishing food planned by nutritionists and chefs - are the most important thing we can do to have an educated populace.
Here's how they do it in France, by the way.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Aug 24 - 11:37 AM

”Walz was prepared to serve in Iraq”

Source?

According to this account Walz left the Army National Guard to pursue his political career in May 2005, two months prior to his unit being put on notice to deploy to Iraq.

No suggestion there that he was ‘prepared to serve in Iraq’, rather the opposite - that he was more interested in a career in politics.

Of course, in true Trumper tradition, JD ‘Hillbilly’ Vance tried to make capital from Walz’s choice.

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The posts this responds to have been removed and that party is taking a well-deserved time out. Now to clean up other messes he made. . . ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 08 Aug 24 - 04:15 AM

Good point about Kelly being too important as senator from AZ to give that up to run for Veep. I hadn't considered that before but should have. It makes perfect sense.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Aug 24 - 09:07 PM

With a paper-thin majority in the senate, Mark Kelly is in an important position and we can't be sure another Democrat from Arizona would fill his seat for the remainder of his term. The reason Cooper of North Carolina declined to be in the consideration is because if he left his state might be subject to the wacko world of a Trumper Lieutenant-Governor.

Trump and his ilk are busy attacking Walz' military record, busy trying to tear down everything. They aren't working to promote good causes their own side supports because there aren't any.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 07 Aug 24 - 07:23 PM

I wish you could vote too Helen. Now that I think about it, because the US President has such an enormous impact on the global weal, maybe the rest of the world should have a say in our election. The problem with that is that populous dictatorships like Russia and China would have an undue influence.
I'm happy with Walz as VP. He is solidly liberal on all the issues and can connect with people of all ages from seniors to children. I originally liked Shapiro because I felt he could deliver Pennsylvania, which could be THE Swing state this year. But it was becoming apparent that he could split the party over the one issue that could divide Democrats, Palestine. After that I wanted Mark Kelly. After all who would vote against an astronaut. But I do think Walz will complement Harris better than the rest of the pack.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 07 Aug 24 - 02:47 PM

The other thing I noticed from their first time on stage together, they both had big beautiful smiles on their faces, laughed about some things, were serious about other things, seemed to have a positive outlook on their political aims, and talked about policies in a positive way.

Compare that to the usual, no smiling, no laughing, bear-with-a sore-head, man-with-a-grudge Trump (and Vance) performances and I know which side I would pick if I could vote.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Aug 24 - 12:36 PM

Amen to that, Robo!

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 07 Aug 24 - 12:27 PM

Let's be optimistic and return to:

DemocratIC

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Aug 24 - 11:46 AM

I only heard a short section from his speech that was shown on BBC News today, but it confirmed what I’d gathered from the piece I read about him - that he’s my kinda guy (metaphorically-speaking of course), he holds views I can agree with, and he will be a tough nut for the Trump gang to crack. I think Harris/Walz will make a great team.

I’m beginning to feel more positive about the possibility of a Democrat President being elected in November.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Aug 24 - 11:17 AM

Walz (pronounced Walls) has hit the ground running and the talking heads observed that he wasn't nervous or flustered about his first huge national stage event. Harris was told that she could win with any of the three candidates she narrowed it down to, but these two hit it off right away and that goes a long way to planning to work with someone for at least the next four, possibly eight years.

During his time in the US House Walz received contributions from the National Rifle Association, but he donated the amount of money that he'd originally received to charities that supported gun rights, and when in his state the alignment was perfect, two years into his first term, (with the house and senate all Democratic) he passed gun background checks, codified the right to abortion, made free breakfast and lunch available to school children, passed a child tax credit, and when the awful event of the George Floyd murder happened he removed the prosecutor in that district and replaced him with someone who would try the case.

He has made a good start.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Aug 24 - 08:40 AM

Right on the button, Doug! Thanks for injecting a modicum of realism into recent posts.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 07 Aug 24 - 05:50 AM

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can

Written by a man who lived in the penthouse of New York's exclusive Dakota Apartments and owned multiple other apartments in the same building, some used just for storage.

The rich will always have the power. It costs a lot to get elected as President and those in the running will take funding from wherever they can get it, so long as the donors broadly fit their political stance.

DC

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The complete (and irrelevant) lyrics to John Lennon's Imagine were removed from a post above this one, but this topical response is staying. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 10:51 PM

Thanks for the link SRS. I was aware of his policies and achievements
as governor. He's on my side on
most issues. I didn't realize how personable and downright funny he is.
I loved this interchange with his daughter:
Tim - After that we'll get corndogs.
Hope- I'm vegetarian.
Tim - Turkey then.
hope - Turkey's meat.
Tim - Not in Minnesota. Turkey is special.

                VOTE BLUE!

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 07:03 PM

Get to know Tim Walz

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 04:10 PM

The most I've heard about him recently were lots of sound bytes of his calling the Trump campaign "weird." We need more than name calling, but it sounds like there will be more quality content coming. And of course the Trump folks are already doing their name-calling.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 03:12 PM

I watched a couple of interviews with Walz. He was exceptionally well-spoken and coherent on several topics.
   I sure hope someone secures a debate between him and JD Vance.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 01:42 PM

From the last paragraph in that link posted by gillymor, I read this article about JD Vance. The journalist makes some interesting points about Vance's claim of being of hillbilly stock:

I Grew Up in Appalachia Too. J.D. Vance Is a Hillbilly Phony

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 12:57 PM

Thanks for the link, Gilly. Walz sounds like my kinda guy - fingers crossed that he and KH appeal to a significant number of ‘floating’ voters, and they can put that weird, near-octogenarian back in his box for good.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 12:30 PM

I think Walz is a brilliant pick, a liberal, progressive Midwest governor who's pro-choice and who reportedly has a strong internet presence. The Daily Beast has a profile.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 12:21 PM

Well said, Charmion!

I agree that the only poll which matters and which will make a difference is the election.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 12:08 PM

I thought Hilary's choice, another Tim, I believe, was fantastic, and Pence made short work of him!

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 11:50 AM

Any views on Tim Walz from those in the know?

A lot of my faviurite tunes are waltzes but I don't think that counts for anything :-)

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 11:38 AM

I have to admit to being unaware of Tim Walz till now. Just went over the New York Times background info which was somewhat helpful though not definitive. I have one big issue: According to the Times, he does not drink coffee, but Diet Mountain Dew. I won't go into how far from myself that is, but it's pretty far, still, big tent and all that, eh?

It is one of the major political events that will affect our lives going forward, so it says a lot for Harris, though right now, can's say what.

Fingers crossed.

Also toes, various hairs, and my earlobes are tryin'.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Charmion
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 11:00 AM

I know that poll-watching is the favourite form of armchair generalship in our internet-focussed society, but I so wish it were not so. The only poll that matters is the one that will be conducted with actual ballots during the actual election.

I'm reading less and less of the several news sources to which I subscribe because so many of the reports and opinion pieces focus on the latest polling and wild speculation about what it all means.

I believe (i.e., I don't know but I've been told) that such polls are conducted by telephone, suggesting that the sample skews strongly toward people who have the time and inclination to answer a telephone call from an unknown number. (My phone is set to shunt all such calls to voice mail.) I also believe that a not insignificant number of people lie to pollsters, some because they don't want to admit even to themselves what they really think, and others because they like to be transgressive when they know they can get away with it.

The rise of Ms Harris and her team is fascinating, almost eclipsing the tawdry spectacle of the Trump campaign, but I know better than to call the race now for either side, whatever the current poll numbers.

Now I'll go check the echo chamber for a backgrounder on Mr Walz.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 10:28 AM

Tim Walz has been selected as the Harris running mate. Governor of Minnesota, former congressman, school teacher, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 06 Aug 24 - 12:23 AM

SRS, thanks for the exposé of RFK Jr. Someone had to do it and I didn't have the energy for all the research and typing. He certainly is living proof that sometimes the apple does fall far from the tree.
It's a shame he has gone down that rabbit hole on vaccines and Covid conspiracies because otherwise he has much to recommend him. He has worked tirelessly for environmental causes for nearly 40 years and has been a strong advocate for indigenous rights. He has also spoken out on economic inequality but, sadly, he's like so many populist leaders in our history who, in spite of best intentions, go way off the tracks on certain issues (anti-vaxing) as to become a threat to our society.
There is a plus in all of this, however. Most people aren't aware of his environmentalism advocacy for the poor and working class. They are only aware of his more recent antifacts lunacy, so if he gets any votes at all they are more likely to be siphoned from Trump than Harris.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Aug 24 - 11:53 PM

Trump is doing one campaign event a week these days, telling people he has plenty of votes, he doesn't need more votes. His own party people are telling him to lay off of the racial slurs (at this point in the US there are so many bi-racial families that this is not a novelty, it is commonplace. My parents were Scandinavian and Irish, but all of us sibs and cousins have married Hispanic, Philippino, Japanese, and Turkish spouses - of all of the grandkids there is only one blue-eyed blonde in the bunch. We are pretty typical among our peers.)

Trump's attention is being pulled back to the courts, so I'll look for an article for the Trump trial thread to describe the weekend decision handed down by Judge Chutkan that denied the request to dismiss the case. The possible ABC debate is just days from his sentencing hearing in September in the NY hush money case.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Aug 24 - 11:01 AM

Dick, your powers of discernment are not being applied to the candidate himself. Don't send me PMs about your political views; why don't you do some research instead of lobbing one-liners into the conversation?

RFK Jr. is building a presidential campaign around conspiracy theories

Since Robert F. Kennedy Jr. launched his campaign challenging President Biden for the 2024 Democratic presidential nomination, he has given hours of interviews to podcasts, magazines and TV networks. He paints a dark, conspiratorial picture of the world, bristling with debunked theories, misleading claims and outright falsehoods.

Wi-Fi causes cancer and "leaky brain," Kennedy told podcaster Joe Rogan last month. Antidepressants are to blame for school shootings, he mused during an appearance with Twitter CEO Elon Musk. Chemicals in the water supply could turn children transgender, he told right-wing Canadian psychologist and podcaster Jordan Peterson, echoing a false assertion made by serial fabulist Alex Jones. AIDS may not be caused by HIV, he has suggested multiple times.

There's no credible evidence for any of these assertions or for Kennedy's longest-running false claims: that vaccines cause autism and are more harmful than the diseases they're designed to protect against.

Yet Kennedy is building a campaign for the highest office around these conspiracy theories and the idea that fact-checking or criticizing them amounts to censorship. His throughline is the bedrock conspiratorial premise that "they" (the government, pharmaceutical companies, the media) are lying to you — but that he is telling the truth.

"This is what happens when you censor somebody for 18 years," Kennedy told a cheering crowd at his April campaign kickoff in Boston. "They shouldn't have shut me up that long, 'cause now I'm really going to let loose on them for the next 18 months."

It's an apparent bet that the political, cultural and media dynamics that elevated Kennedy and the anti-vaccination movement during the COVID-19 pandemic can similarly propel him to the White House.

The Kennedy campaign did not respond to NPR's questions for this story.

Allegations of censorship and collusion

Kennedy isn't the first American politician to actively advance conspiracy theories. Donald Trump promoted birtherism and, later, the Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen from him. Richard Nixon blamed Jews for orchestrating communist plots and controlling the government.

But what stands out in Kennedy's case is the sheer volume of what he has asserted over the years, from his insistence that Republicans stole the 2004 election to his claims that 5G networks are being used for mass surveillance to his belief that the CIA assassinated his uncle.

In 2021, he was named one of the top spreaders of misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines on social media. He was kicked off Instagram, along with his organization, Children's Health Defense, which was also removed from Facebook (Instagram reinstated Kennedy after he announced his presidential bid).

He told NPR that year that the social media bans had cost him "hundreds of thousands of dollars" in donations. But federal tax filings show otherwise: Children's Health Defense's revenue surged during the pandemic, from $3 million in 2019 to $7 million in 2020 to $16 million in 2021.

Today, Kennedy says the social media bans and the media's rejection of his views over the years are what galvanized him to run for president.

He accuses the White House of orchestrating his deplatforming. He is suing the Biden administration and media outlets including The Associated Press, The Washington Post, the BBC and Reuters for alleged censorship.

For Kennedy, his conviction that he's being censored is another example of the collusion between government agencies and corporations that he believes is the root of the United States' problems.

"My mission over the next 18 months of this campaign and throughout my presidency will be to end the corrupt merger of state and corporate power that is threatening now to impose a new kind of corporate feudalism on our country," he said in his April campaign announcement.

Claims of censorship have also become a core grievance of many conservatives and disaffected liberals, who see the rise of social media policies to combat harmful misinformation, conspiracy theories and election interference as infringing on their free speech rights.

From political scion to anti-vaccine crusader
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is the son of the late U.S. attorney general, New York senator and Democratic presidential hopeful Robert F. Kennedy, as well as the nephew of former President John F. Kennedy. For years, he was best known as a wayward member of a famous, tragedy-stricken family and as a crusading environmental lawyer who helped clean up the Hudson River and launched a global movement to protect waterways.

It was his work fighting mercury pollution that led him into the world of vaccine skepticism. As he tells it, after hearing from mothers convinced their children had been harmed by a mercury-based preservative in routine vaccines, he became a convert to their cause. (The preservative in question was removed from most childhood vaccines in 2001 out of an abundance of caution and was never used in the measles, mumps and rubella vaccines that were the focal point for concerns about autism.)

In 2005, he made this argument in an exposé called "Deadly Immunity" in Rolling Stone and on Salon.com. The piece turned out to be deeply compromised by errors and selective use of evidence and was eventually retracted in 2011.

Despite study after study finding no connection between vaccines and autism, Kennedy has only dug in deeper to his discredited beliefs. For years, they put him on the fringe of American public discourse — until COVID-19.

It's quite a long article, I'll stop there. NPR should be readable from outside the US.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Aug 24 - 09:27 AM

the crackpots are those people who vote for pliticians who have been bought that includes trump and harris

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Aug 24 - 08:23 AM

You're obviously not very familiar with your chosen candidate, Sandman.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Aug 24 - 08:06 AM

what is crackpot about not allowing politicians to be bought by corporations?
voters, elect politicians therefore elected representatives should not be bought by corporations, the laws about political funding need to be changed

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Aug 24 - 07:45 AM

I just hope he siphons off some of Trump's crackpot vote.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Aug 24 - 03:11 AM

Kennedys policy that candidates should only represent those who elected them and not corporations is a good policy, ,he would get my vote

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 04 Aug 24 - 09:35 PM

LOL

Worms The Pogues

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Aug 24 - 09:25 PM

I think the main difference between RFK and DJT is that the worm in RFKs noggin died.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 04 Aug 24 - 07:26 PM

It's a shame RFK Jr wasn't picked as Trump's running mate. They are two of a kind, judging by that story.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Aug 24 - 07:14 PM

Robert F. Kennedy has been unravelling for years but at an accelerated rate these days. From the New York Times.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the independent presidential candidate, confessed on Sunday that he had left a dead bear cub in Central Park in Manhattan in 2014 because he thought it would be “amusing.”

Mr. Kennedy posted a video detailing the bizarre story on social media apparently ahead of an article in The New Yorker.

“Looking forward to seeing how you spin this one,” he said, tagging the magazine.

In the video, Mr. Kennedy appears to be seated in a kitchen as he casually tells the actress Roseanne Barr about the ordeal. He says that he was driving through the Hudson Valley when he saw a woman in a van hit and kill a young bear.

“I pulled over and I picked up the bear and put him in the back of my van because I was going to skin the bear,” he says. “It was very good condition and I was going to put the meat in my refrigerator.”

Mr. Kennedy then details how he had to attend a dinner at Peter Luger Steak House in New York City and then head to the airport, which meant he had to get rid of the bear. He decided to leave the bear in Central Park with an old bicycle to make it look like it had been hit by the bike.

Mr. Kennedy says that he was worried when officials investigated the crime scene, “because my prints were all over that bike.”

Ms. Barr listens closely to the story, laughing and looking shocked. Mr. Kennedy tells her that fact checkers from The New Yorker asked him about the story: “It’s going to be a bad story.”

And this man wants access to the nuclear codes?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Aug 24 - 10:08 AM

That sounds like a dog whistle from Trump trying to get a Google billionaire to bribe him to not shut down Google.

We should learn the Harris VP pick soon.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 03 Aug 24 - 11:38 PM

Need another reason to vote against The Donald, he is now stating his intention to shut down Google if elected. His rationale: Google bad, very bad.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Aug 24 - 09:24 PM

FOX is safer ground for Trump, but if the arrangement was already on ABC, then his trying to change it is a power play. FOX won't do the fact checking that ABC will. And whatever they do, make him stay in his spot. He prowled around the stage and loomed over Hillary during their debate. Damned threatening.