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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 29 Sep 24 - 02:42 AM did you ever hear tell of johnny gray,he died defending his right of way he was right dead right all the way, but he was dead all right at the end of the day |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Nigel Parsons Date: 28 Sep 24 - 07:54 AM "I think people who enter traffic (not in a vehicle) in dark clothes are foolish." Then there was the man who heard the slogan "Wear something white, be seen at night". He went out in a white coat and white trousers. . . . Got knocked down by a snowplough! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Thompson Date: 28 Sep 24 - 06:27 AM The worriers-about-cyclists really, really should look at the figures for road deaths. Cars, vans and trucks - oh, and sometimes tractors too - cause virtually all of them. And let's look at the stupidity of passengers inside cars too; I made the mistake of watching a video sponsored by the RSA (Road Safety Association) in Ireland last week, about what happens when you put your feet on the dashboard or don't wear a seatbelt, or wear it incorrectly. What's stayed in me more than the other horrors is that those gobshites that wear the belt under one arm but passing behind them will have the arm razored off them in a crash, because the seatbelt under strain and wrongly worn turns into a fast-moving serrated knife. And don't even think about the effect of an explosive charge setting off the airbags (which is how they work) and blasting the legs back into the passenger's face, ribs, etc; or the drivers with phones they were holding embedded between their ribs… |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Mr Red Date: 25 Sep 24 - 11:45 AM but they haven't caused any deaths so far as I know. Now I can't actually recall any actual reports of delivery riders dying, but hovering in the deepest depth of my cerebellum is the certainty of reading/hearing of such things. And if we wanted to go back far enough we all know the origin of Elton John's tune "Song for Guy" ......... don't we? Cue pedantic responses. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 24 Sep 24 - 12:22 PM Sunday night saw two prime candidates for the Darwin award two cyclists belting along a residential street,no lights, not bothering about what side of the road they should be on, and coming withing inches of a head on collision with each other clearly both acting on the principle that the other cyclist had a duty too take responsivity for their own lack of consideration. Oh I was pedestrian - no cars in the picture at al except for those parked on the road. Trouble is if that had of resulted in a serious accident, they would have expected an ambulance which could be better deployed saving someone else's life to arrive. S |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 20 Sep 24 - 01:12 PM > I think people who enter traffic (not in a vehicle) in > dark clothes are foolish. Herself's cousin was called into a hospital as a translator. The chap in the bed was coloured and was wearing black clothes ("the only thing you could see in the dark was his teeth"); he'd been cycling along a Dutch road on the wrong side, at night, without lights. He kept saying (in English): "But I put out my hand to turn right ...." .... but I'm sure I've mentioned this before. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Thompson Date: 20 Sep 24 - 10:41 AM I think lots of things about lots of road users that aren't my business. But I try to look after my own self, instead of pointing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: leeneia Date: 20 Sep 24 - 12:12 AM I think people who enter traffic (not in a vehicle) in dark clothes are foolish. A bicyclist, say, on a shady street, is too hard to see. Same for motorcycles, scooters, and pedestrians. And it's sad but true that most motorists are so focused on the dangers presented by other cars that they tend not to see small traffic until their almost upon it. Lights, of course, are a good idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Manitas_at_home Date: 18 Sep 24 - 11:22 AM Yes. It's meant to draw attention to the cyclist and be visible from a long way away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: gillymor Date: 18 Sep 24 - 08:26 AM "One thing that tends to annoy me as much as a lack of lights is cyclists whose rear lights blink constantly: it says "look at me! look at me!" in a thoroughly distracting manner, like a hyper child in a supermarket. It's even less excusable in broad daylight, when it distracts drivers from (eg) oncoming vehicles." Wow, if you're distracted by a tiny light powered by a couple of AAA batteries that will likely be in your field of vision for a very brief moment then perhaps it's time to give up driving. I keep my blinking light on just because of all the drivers out there that are so easily distracted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Thompson Date: 18 Sep 24 - 07:19 AM Surely the trope is "Wake up, sheeple"! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Sep 24 - 10:50 AM I made it back with only 1 incident. I was in the centre of the right lane to go right at a roundabout when Mr Impatient decided to turn right from the left hand lane. Only expected in Keighley I suppose... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 16 Sep 24 - 08:29 AM Re wandering-pedestrian syndrome: Some years ago, the authorities in (I *think*) New Zealand used the term sheeple in a safety-advertising campaign. Full-sized billboards showed herds of oblivious pedestrians wandering across an intersection, all looking down at their |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Sep 24 - 08:26 AM Lovely day here. May have a ride on my bike later. Hope none of the cyclist bashers on here are about :-D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 16 Sep 24 - 07:57 AM > LIGHTS One thing that tends to annoy me as much as a lack of lights is cyclists whose rear lights blink constantly: it says "look at me! look at me!" in a thoroughly distracting manner, like a hyper child in a supermarket. It's even less excusable in broad daylight, when it distracts drivers from (eg) oncoming vehicles. One (erm) cyclist round our way used to specialise in rigging up what appeared to be a red Christmas tree of das blinkenlights on the back of his bike, about three feet across and five feet high. Quite what the bus drivers stuck behind him used to call him is happily not recorded. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 16 Sep 24 - 03:28 AM imo the judge got it wrong , there would not have been an accident if the pedestrian was not looking at her phone while crossing the road. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 16 Sep 24 - 02:30 AM pedestrians like anybody else owe due care and attention to other road users pedestrians and joggers who do their thing whilst having ear plugs in their ears, are not just a risk to them selves thay are a risk to others .SPB original idea is unworkable and far too costly, Western capitalist society considers that it is more important to protwct property ad finacial institutions than people ,people to some extent are not as important, which is why hackers and bank robbers generaaly get stiffer sentences then drunk drivers or drivers who drive too fast and kill someobne, or peoplE who commit GBH The original post is simply not practical |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Nigel Parsons Date: 15 Sep 24 - 08:10 PM Hazeldean/Brushett case per The Guardian. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 15 Sep 24 - 05:59 PM All these issues apply to the principle of due care and attention. Going back to the original post- this was about a near miss. if the cyclist had jumped the red light a few seconds later the consequences could have be a lot worse than my lift having to brake hard to avoid a collision - even then I found the stupidity (arrogance) of the cyclists stressful ass a passenger and i was hken as to how much of a near miss this was. As fat as I am concerned,, pedestrians owe no due care and attention to cyclists illegal cycling at speed on the pavement, but they do crossing the road and making sure it is safe to cross - but also at night the duty of care reverts back to ensuring that they are visible or in other words LIGHTS. Going back to the post heading - it is a referral to the potential response to an idiotic minority screwing things up for the sensible majority and whether the behaviour of the minority justifies society placing restriction on the majority as the only ossible way of curtailing the minorities behaviour. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 15 Sep 24 - 12:03 PM A cyclist who knocked over a yoga teacher after she stepped into the road while staring at her mobile phone has been handed a £60,000 court bill. Robert Hazeldean collided with City worker Gemma Brushett as she crossed the road near London Bridge, knocking the 28-year-old unconscious and leaving her with damage to her front teeth and facial scars. While Ms Brushett sued for damages over the July 2015 crash, Mr Hazeldean – who was also knocked out and hurt - did not launch his own legal claim. A court heard Ms Brushett was looking at her mobile phone when she stepped into the road, noticing Mr Hazeldean at the last minute as he shouted and sounded a horn. However she dodged backwards into the same place that the cyclist was swerving to try to avoid a collision. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 11 Sep 24 - 02:05 PM This is the non music section.Driving a car requires attention at all times and does not need any kind of distraction, so does cycling. yes the thread is finished, good night |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Helen Date: 10 Sep 24 - 04:49 PM This discussion seems to be over and done. Dick, maybe you could start a new thread about sex and the motorways, and see who else is interested in discussing it here at Mudcat, a folk and blues music site. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 10 Sep 24 - 02:40 PM people should not be indulging in sex on motorway slip roads |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Nigel Parsons Date: 10 Sep 24 - 02:25 PM Cyclists shouldn't be on motorway slip roads. There again, they shouldn't be on pavements either ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 10 Sep 24 - 04:37 AM having sex on a motorway slip road in a parked car, is a distraction for other car users and cyclists |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 09 Sep 24 - 02:50 PM https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/biking-and-sex-avoid-the-vicious-cycle-201209145290 cycling and sex Correct nigel paraond wins a crackerjack pencil... Gillian Taylforth, nicknamed Gillian Blowforth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Nigel Parsons Date: 09 Sep 24 - 11:13 AM For anyone too young to remember this, and planning to research the details, the 'ladies' name is 'Gillian Taylforth'. Searches work better using the correct details. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 09 Sep 24 - 08:42 AM the jury found her guilty, why are we discussing this nonsense ,because presumably you want tto do so, you are not forced to discuss anything |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Doug Chadwick Date: 09 Sep 24 - 04:54 AM and then there was the actress Gillian Tayforth who had sex with her partner whilst he was driving That's a case of a story getting better for the re-telling. The Sun (spit) alleged that she had performed a sex act on her partner on a motorway slip road - not while he was driving. Taking that exaggeration with the preposterous title of this thread, should we say: 'Sex MUST be banned in the UK'. Why are we still discussing this nonsense? DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 09 Sep 24 - 03:25 AM did you ever hear tell of Rupert Gray he died defending his right of way, he was right dead right all the way but he was dead all right at the end of the day |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 09 Sep 24 - 02:37 AM and then there was the actress Gillian Tayforth who had sex with her partner whilst he was driving |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Helen Date: 08 Sep 24 - 09:46 PM I'm sure she'll have more time to prepare for her Darwin award. I saw a couple of girls on skateboards near my home. One of them stacked it, looked like she had seriously hurt her ankle and was sitting on the side of the road crying in pain. I grabbed my keys and phone and I was just about to go over and do the first aid check when her mother drove up, and without a word, pulled her up to limp painfully to the car and definitely did not do a first aid check before she drove off. Maybe the mother should get the Darwin education award because she obviously was preparing her daughter to be awarded it in the future. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: gillymor Date: 08 Sep 24 - 07:13 PM I saw a candidate for the Darwin last week. I was driving down a back road when a young girl came toward me on a skate board being towed by two small dogs on leashes. As I slowed down one dog came toward me barking while the other took a right turn into the swale by the side of the road causing the kid to pitch off her skateboard head first into the grassy swale. She was okay and probably shouldn't be considered for the award given her youth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 08 Sep 24 - 01:36 AM Accidents have also been caused by people changing cds or cassettes while driving .I am amazed at the amount of professional drivers answering mobiles whilst driving |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: leeneia Date: 07 Sep 24 - 11:20 PM I think 15 mph is pretty fast for a person riding on a scooter. Remember the rider has no seatbelt, no steel, between him and the concrete. In my neighborhood, where small houses line narrow streets lined with parked cars, a small figure going 15 can emerge at a cross roads far too soon for safety. One day the DH and I very nearly collided with a Mini-Cooper hidden by a big pick-up truck. At the last minute I spied a winking between two cars and hollered "Stop! stop!" If a Mini-Cooper produces nothing but a winking sensation, imagine how little a scooter produces. --------- I agree 100% with Dave and Thompson's remarks about cars and phones. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 Sep 24 - 07:07 AM Being stupid on bikes and skateboards often results in personal injury but being stupid in a car can result in injury to innocent parties. That probably deserves an award of its own! 98... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Thompson Date: 01 Sep 24 - 06:44 AM While we're giving out Darwin awards, can we hand a few to the people in charge of 2 tons of industrial machinery (ie their car) who use a phone while at the wheel? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Helen Date: 31 Aug 24 - 01:20 AM Aah, the good old Darwin Award! My nomination: I saw a young man on an electric skateboard (i.e. handsfree, no handlebars) in the middle of the road, near our house, going at an unreasonable speed, looking at his phone, paying no attention to the road. Technically this is a 40 kph (25 mph) residential area but in fact the majority of car drivers around here choose to believe it is 60 or even 80 kph or more (40 to 50 mph) and are a danger to self and others, e.g. the guy on the skateboard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: leeneia Date: 31 Aug 24 - 12:47 AM What we need is a law against being stupid. There have always been some stupid people, but now that most parents simply hand their kids (especially boys) an electronic device and let them raise themselves, we are seeing more and more people who do not understand that red lights matter and getting hit by a car really hurts. In my city people can rent electric scooters. They look like the kind you push with your foot, but they can go at a good clip. Recently we saw a woman about 30 years old riding on our street, minus the required helmet, going fast, with ear phones on and looking at her phone. She was wearing pale clothes to make sure no driver crossing her path would notice her. My nominee for a Darwin award. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 Aug 24 - 01:50 PM Strict rules here in the UK. Pedal assist only. Power limited. Maximum 15.5mph from the motor. I see the occasional one that looks decidedly illegal but not often. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Thompson Date: 30 Aug 24 - 11:28 AM A question for those of you in other European countries, or of course in the UK… In Ireland, only 'pedelecs' are legal - in other words an ebike which is normally pedalled but has available a boost from an electric motor so that, for instance, when you're attacked by those vicious enemies, the hill and the headwind, you can call on a little electric assistance. The kind of ebikes where you can just sit there and go wheee and have the bike carry you along - a bike that is essentially a silent motorbike - is illegal. These often have fat wheels, but not always. Sometimes, too, they're cheap folding bikes. While illegal, the second kind of ebike is seen more and more often on Dublin roads. Is this the same in other countries where non-pedelec ebikes are illegal? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 30 Aug 24 - 03:09 AM The police force would have to be increased to catch cyclists and catch smokers smoking illegally in pub gardens, would it not be simpler to tax cigarettes more and send offending cyclists to Rwanda , but as an act of kindness allow them to take their bikes |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Mr Red Date: 29 Aug 24 - 01:32 PM The "cycling community" won't get its act together. The cyclists in the OP are not community they are just people. Oiks maybe, but not part of any party you mention. I was buzzed by an e-cyclist without lights, on the footpath, in the dark. Obviously didn't hear him. I had seen him doing wheelies in the street beforehand. Around that time there was a helicopter ambulance land in the locale to a RTA that looked likely, and I haven't seen the kid - not that he was recognisable in the dark, nor the bike recently. Kids on bikes are a danger to themselves, put them on an E-bike that doesn't need to pedal and............ it didn't. Yea, Yea illegal in the UK, so maybe the kid just had it confiscated. Now how ya going to police push bikers who don't care? That kind of policing is retrospective, if you can catch them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 27 Aug 24 - 11:52 AM yes SPB is a nice guy, unlikely to be trolling |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 Aug 24 - 09:03 AM It was rhetorical really, Dick. I don't know SPB-cooperator personaly but from my dealings with him here I am pretty sure that he is no troll and does not really want to ban cycling. His post of 25 Aug 24 - 05:51 PM explains that it was a monentary lapse Neither, just three idiot cyclists getting under my skin last week and feeling stressed out by what happened whe I got home. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 27 Aug 24 - 08:12 AM you still have not answered the question from, Dave the Gnome. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 27 Aug 24 - 08:06 AM Again, I have held a full licence since, I think, 1987. I just decided it is now pointless incurring the expense of owning a car in London as I have free use of public transport. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: gillymor Date: 27 Aug 24 - 08:03 AM The possibility of driver error. That's what I was referring to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: Helen Date: 27 Aug 24 - 05:08 AM Thanks Thompson, I didn't realise that about the fumes from the car. I read the first few words of your post and thought you were telling me I am getting less funny, but no you said "Helen, you actually get less fumey..." A lot of people find me less funny the older I get. LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK From: The Sandman Date: 27 Aug 24 - 04:19 AM "My point on the driver's behaviour is simply that you're supposed to approach a junction at correct speed and with caution"quote good point, caution includes checking mirrors and blind spot. Spb has not passed a driving test so is hardly in a position to make a judgement on car drivers skill |
