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Age and being excited by music

Grey Wolf 23 Jan 00 - 05:31 PM
wildlone 23 Jan 00 - 05:39 PM
JamesJim 23 Jan 00 - 05:55 PM
Susanne (skw) 23 Jan 00 - 05:56 PM
bbelle 23 Jan 00 - 06:00 PM
Barbara Shaw 23 Jan 00 - 06:05 PM
Grey Wolf 23 Jan 00 - 06:21 PM
sophocleese 23 Jan 00 - 06:56 PM
bbelle 23 Jan 00 - 07:24 PM
katlaughing 23 Jan 00 - 07:33 PM
McGrath of Harlow 23 Jan 00 - 07:48 PM
bbelle 23 Jan 00 - 07:59 PM
Dave (the ancient mariner) 23 Jan 00 - 09:49 PM
Mikal 23 Jan 00 - 11:54 PM
Lonesome EJ 24 Jan 00 - 12:06 AM
GUEST,Judy Predmore 24 Jan 00 - 01:15 AM
Callie 24 Jan 00 - 01:50 AM
Liz the Squeak 24 Jan 00 - 04:13 AM
Gary T 24 Jan 00 - 10:01 AM
Lady McMoo 24 Jan 00 - 10:13 AM
Bill in Alabama 24 Jan 00 - 10:19 AM
GUEST,CASEY @50 24 Jan 00 - 02:01 PM
Peter T. 24 Jan 00 - 02:24 PM
GUEST,reeebop 24 Jan 00 - 05:37 PM
The Shambles 24 Jan 00 - 05:38 PM
Bill D 24 Jan 00 - 05:44 PM
Grey Wolf 24 Jan 00 - 05:59 PM
Midchuck 24 Jan 00 - 07:28 PM
Barbara Shaw 24 Jan 00 - 07:35 PM
McGrath of Harlow 24 Jan 00 - 08:13 PM
JamesJim 25 Jan 00 - 12:02 AM
Amos 25 Jan 00 - 12:20 AM
Liz the Squeak 25 Jan 00 - 06:56 AM
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Subject: Age and being excited by music
From: Grey Wolf
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 05:31 PM

I don't know if I'm alone in feeling this, and would be interested in others views.

Although I'm only 32, I seem to have lost the ability to get truly excited by new music. Don't get me wrong, I still love hearing new stuff whether it be pop, classical folk blues or whatever. I buy more CDs than I ever did, and very occasionally I'll come across something so good that I want to listen to it five times in a row. (Walter Pardon and the new REM single are 2 diverse examples)

Having said this, most of the time I find myself thinking - nice enough but I've pretty much heard that before.

Am I getting old before my time?

I hope not

Wolf


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: wildlone
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 05:39 PM

Wolf, Think of it as gaining wisdom.
At my age music is the only thing that gets me excited.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: JamesJim
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 05:55 PM

Wolf, now that you've listened to all kinds of music, it's time to learn to play an instrument (assuming you don't now). Listening to good music/performers is great, but to really feel a part of the music, I believe you must play and sing it (in other words, "MAKE MUSIC"). Folk music is the answer. If you don't play, go to a local music store and purchase a guitar (don't have to be expensive - you'll end up buying another and perhaps several more before it's over). It's a challenge to learn to play and that's what you need right now. I suggest you look into "Homespun" tapes (Happy Traum) - 1-800-33-tapes. Ask them to send you a free catalog. You can get some inexpensive lessons by just listening and following instructions and you'll be playing and singing in no time (this is a great way for a beginner to learn - you can play the tape back/over when you miss something. After a few lessons, find some folks to play music with. That's when the fun really starts and you begin learning a lot more.

You are not getting old; rather you are ready to take the next step - MAKING MUSIC. Take that step - you'll be so glad you did. P.S. In case you already play/sing - don't sit around and listen to music - GET OUT AND MAKE IT! Jim


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 05:56 PM

Maybe it isn't you - it's the music?
I do think the ability (or readiness) to be excited by new stuff gets less as your years get more. I think of it as natural, though I do regret it sometimes. At least part of the reason must be, though, that with most new stuff you've heard better stuff before. It's years since anything new really bowled me over. The last ones to do that were James Keelaghan, about five years ago (when I was forty)(I've cooled down since ...), then there was Mick West's first CD. But even with most of the bands I enjoy I tend to think they used to be better. - Maybe it's age after all! And there's nowt you can do about it, so enjoy things while you can ... - Susanne


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: bbelle
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 06:00 PM

JamesJim is right. I quit performing 20 years ago and had virtually no interest in music, other than what I heard on the radio. Oh, I would occasionally hear a new song that I liked, but it didn't last. Now that I'm playing and singing again, it's a whole different mindset. I've bought more tapes and cd's in the last 5 months than in the last 20 years. I'm very, very excited when I hear a new song and even more so if it's one that I want to perform. I don't know if this is really your issue, but it may be, and there are all sorts of instruments to play... some easy, some difficult ... but you don't have to become a virtuoso ... moonchild


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 06:05 PM

Try a bluegrass jam. It's never the same way twice, so you can never say you've heard that before. Jams are the most exciting music of all, better than what's on stage. This is music that you can enjoy all your life, has nothing to do with age or "been there, done that."

Go to a bluegrass festival, and walk around the campsites around midnight. And even better than that, take up an instrument or 2 or 3 and be part of those jams yourself. VERY EXCITING!


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Grey Wolf
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 06:21 PM

I play several instruments: guitar, anglo concertina, harmonica, whistle etc... some with more talent than others.

What I was trying to say is that it's very rare for me to hear something new and then wake up the next morning, wanting to play that song five times in a row, think that it's the best thing in the world ever, and go out with a silly grin on my face!

It still happens sometimes...

Just not wanting to get older I guess


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: sophocleese
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 06:56 PM

Try experimenting with a completely different style of music. As you learn its patterns and rules you may find that you get excited by hearing the different ways performers have of doing it. Mostly I think people can go through cycles of loving something and getting a little tired of it and then coming back to it after a break.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: bbelle
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 07:24 PM

Well, Grey Wolf, this is not intended as an insult, however, your feeling older is "your" problem. I am 16 years older than you and you are sounding 16 years older than I. Change the type of music you listen to or play ... perhaps that is what has lost its excitement ... moonchild


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 07:33 PM

Good advice, MC. I am 14 years older than you Wolf, and with the Internet and NPR music radio programs, I find so much good music out there, of so many genres, that I don't think I will ever get to hear all of it, let alone tire of it.

At the Mudcat alone, the talent is so diverse and wonderful, I find I can buy a CD per month, more if the budget allows, of anudder Mudder's music or something a Mudder has told me about, and I find myself playing each CD over and over because there is so much good on each and every one.

If you'd like some links to Net radio sites etc. just let us know. There are several I would recommend and I know others have some favourites, too. Have you listened to our own Mudcat Radio on Wednesday nights, at 7pm Eastern Time in the US? You'll hear some great stuff on there.

BTW, I am finding "center-age" to be a lot of fun, with some relief from some of the unrelenting drive etc. of my 20's & 30's; but I am not waiting til my 80's to wear purple!

katlaughing


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 07:48 PM

I find I'm less likely to keep on playing some new tape or CD I've come across. But I'm just as obsessed with playing some new song, and just as enthusistic when I come across someone I really like. I don't really think getting older makes that much difference - maybe I'm more likely to recognise that someone new I come across head upstream to the source. And I now know enough about it not to be impressed by musicians showing off by playing high speed (because I realise it's normally easier than playing slow without screwing it up.)


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: bbelle
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 07:59 PM

McGrath ... I never thought of that as a reason for why some musicians play at breakneck speed! But it sure sounds good ... moonchild


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 09:49 PM

The only tye of music I really do not like is RAP, anything else is fun. Not fond of everything in jazz but still listen to some. I like a good mix, and I'm the same age as you Kat. Mozart to Chumbawamba it's all good listening. Yours, Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Mikal
Date: 23 Jan 00 - 11:54 PM

Lordy! Being excited by music?

I cry when I sing "Carrickfergus"...

I laugh when a good fiddle tune is played...

I gaze at my past with unseeing eyes when I sing any of the old songs...

I am old. Way too old to daydream. But music does that to me. I will hear a song and run to memorize it. If it moves me, (and few don't, it seems...) I want to have it for my own. (And when they aren't exciting anymore, I write the ones that will make me laugh or cry.)

Perhaps that is the problem. You don't feel they are "yours."

Mikal


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 12:06 AM

My guess is that you are a rock and roll fan? So am I, but the form has become quite stagnant. "Retro" is the hottest sound in rock, throwbacks to 60's and 70's stuff. That's the reason why I find my tastes being concentrated more in "roots" music: blues, traditional folk, Celtic. I find it's a constant process of re-discovery for me- music that is part of the bedrock of our culture, but much of it being unearthed by me for my first time. And, as we all know, the first time is usually a lot of fun.

LEJ


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: GUEST,Judy Predmore
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 01:15 AM

The New York & Boston folk clubs which I belong to, have a saying "So much music, So little time". There's so much music we want to discover, explore, learn, & hear over & over again. But I think I know what you mean. When you're young, all music is a new style, a new type of expression. As you've heard more music, more of it seems to be variations on themes you've heard before. So there may be a smaller percentage of music that you hear, that excites you in a significantly different way than music you already know. And with all the media, we're exposed to enormous amounts of talent. So I think it's just that you may have to wade through more music to find stuff that really excites you.

I agree with whoever said you can go through personal phases, for some reason or another, when music tends to excite you or not. And I agree that different genres of music go through phases. There can be very fertile periods of a certain genre, & then it stagnates a little, relatively speaking. But there's an infinite amount of music out there waiting to excite you when you find it... enough for the rest of your life!


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Callie
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 01:50 AM

I'm still jumping out of my skin at some of the music I hear - no matter what the genre. My compulsion is not lessening as I get older. Maybe I'm not as interested in radio pop any more. Sometimes I hear people talking about bands I've never heard of, but the thing is that I COULDN'T CARE LESS!

There's just so much out there. And there are always new challenges - new songs to learn, new arranagements to write. Not so long ago I heard a Dylan song I'd never heard before, and POW! This morning I went out and bought 2 CDs - Waterson:Carthy's Common Tongue and a CD by a local jazz composer Matt McMahon. Suddenly all this inspiration is hitting me.

The verdict? Only two things keep you young: music and falling in love (oh yeah, and not growing up!)

Callie


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 04:13 AM

I remember reading somewhere back in my youth (early/mid 1970's euurghhh!) that some computer had predicted that all permutations of the standard music octaves would have been used by the year 2000. Perhaps this is why you feel like you've heard it before - look at how many 'pop' tunes are based on classical pieces (the truly dreadful 'If I had words' by Scot & Yvonne Keely that was a direct lift of Saint Saens organ concerto, shudder....)and then look how many classical pieces are a direct lift of a folk tune - even my beloved Mozart plagerised..... Maybe there are no more original tunes left...... what a terrible thought!

And who ever it was who professed a dislike of Rap - they missed a letter off there I think!

LTS


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Gary T
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 10:01 AM

Most people retain a lifelong fondness for the music they knew in their teens. We also tend to get more discriminating with age, having heard more and learned more over time. You're not getting old before your time, Wolf, you're getting "appropriately old" in due time. In essence, we learn (subconsciously, usually) to filter out the "ordinary" from the true gems. As our frame of reference grows, our selection process gets more efficient.

When I was a teen in the 60's, I was happy to listen to the top 40 stations of the day. I didn't love it all, but I liked most of it at the time. Moving into the 70's and beyond, I seldom like more than 10% of the current top 40. But I notice when I listen to the oldies stations, they only play about 10% of the music from the era they represent. Moral: there's always a lot of unremarkable new music, in time the wheat gets separated from the chaff. As we mature, we get better at doing that for ourselves.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Lady McMoo
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 10:13 AM

I'm primarily an acoustic musician steeped in the Irish and, to a lesser degree, UK folk cultures. I've also played rock and a little jazz. I'm also quite(well actually completely) "grey" now!

I may be alone here...but I actually quite like some rap (...ducks for cover!)

mcmoo


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Bill in Alabama
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 10:19 AM

GW: A lot of good advice above. I like Barbara Shaws and Mikal's especially. Sit in on as many jams as you can find. When I was more deeply into the music business than I now am, we always preferred the jams in the campsites or the motel rooms, because we could improvise and appreciate the improvisations of others on musical numbers. When we were on stage, the fans pretty much wanted any given song we performed to sound exactly as it did on whatever album we had played it on --even if the album had been done several years earlier, and I found myself playing back to whatever I had been doing in the studio (not terribly exciting). Take the songs you like and, as Mikal says, make them yours; that advice needs no elaboration or elaboration. There are songs which I have performed onstage for years, but which still bring me almost to tears or make me laugh aloud, and that's exciting!


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: GUEST,CASEY @50
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 02:01 PM

I found myself in the same boat at 45. But I had a 14 year old daughter.... not the time for this situation as I like/need to listen to everything she listened to.

I ended up taking her to concerts and enjoyed that aspect again.

I also looked back at the music I enjoyed the most. Determined the type and aspect I liked the best. (blues and slide guitar) Started on a path of learning about these both as a listener and a player I think I am more excited about music now than ever.

This has lead me down many paths of discovery of old and new artists. The most interesting so far is a guy named Chris Whitley.

Keep your mind open

Casey


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Peter T.
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 02:24 PM

Wolf, I sympathise, but in a different area. When I was 32 I had spent 15 years devouring art all over the world, and then I just lost my interest in it. I would go into galleries, and it would just not be anything like it was when I was 20 or 25. I think it is a sign of shifting gears, you are in the middle of a shift. And if you keep trying to push it into being like it was earlier, that only makes it worse: you have to go to a new place. My shift came in art when I started looking at details and slowing down a lot, not thinking I was going to die before I had seen the next painting in a gallery somewhere other than the one I was now in. It was not the same explosion, but it was different and good too. You need to go with the shift: might as well, you have no choice, really. I too decided to take up the technical side, and became a painter. So know I know more, and can see better, and I can't believe I missed so much. But would I be 16 again and standing in front of Leonardo's "Virgin on the Rocks" for the first time? -- I would give anything for that, and I would be lying if I said something else. It just doesn't work that way.

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: GUEST,reeebop
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 05:37 PM

i'm 20, so i dont have quite the same take on this whole getting older thing....but i couldn't help but comment on rap

believe me there is a lot of beautiful rap and hip-hop music out there....i'm at purchase college in the music conservitory and most of my department is made up of rappers (i'm one of 4 folkies...) and in the last few years i have found myself collaborating with rappers and punk rockers...not only recording together...but sharing gigs.....rap, punk and folk have a lot in common -- mostly as a way of getting ideas out there...not all rap is violent and not all folk is peaceful (but, yeah, all punk is loud :) ) sometime, just try listing to the beats or the pulse of the rhymes--it can catch you off guard and give you a whole new outlook on a subject...the rhymes(lyrics) arent just a bunch of phoney words and stupid b.s.---they can be beautiful poetry and tell you a whole lot about what my generation is going through...


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 05:38 PM

The only thing I would like to add to all the great stuff here is the problem of CDs. They have changed forever the way we listen to recorded music.

Do you remember listening to your old LPs, say like a Beatles album that became so familiar, the next track had started in your head as soon as the last one had ended? The order of the tracks was as important as the individual songs. With the wonders of modern technology you can just touch a button and hear only the tracks you really like. How many of us now listen to the whole CD through after the first few times? I think a little of the 'magic' has gone with the arrival of the 'skip' button.

I concur entirely about jams/sessions. Live music is different, the worst performance always has at least some exciting moments, even if the style of it may not be exactly to your taste. You hear, feel, smell and taste a live performance, especially in some venues.Where as you only hear, a recorded one.

I do find volume is a problem now, in my dotage. My ears hurt, at rock events.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 05:44 PM

IMHO...95% of anyone trying to make a living writing/playing 'new' music is under such pressure to produce..(either by themselves, or by the public) that they end up writing to formulas and to some imagined demographic group, rather than just 'doing' music and letting time settle what is good. Sure, sometimes inspiration strikes...and some folks just have a better relationship with the Muse, but often it is like trying to design a new 'Pet Rock' or 'Cabbage Patch doll' or 'Pokemon' fad...too many gimmicks and too little thought & soul.

(That is one reason why 'folk music' generally meant (among other things) "music which the folk have kept around awhile 'cause they LIKED it")


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Grey Wolf
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 05:59 PM

Thanks for all your replies - some interesting views.

At the risk of offending bluegrass fans, bluegrass is one of the styles of music where I think that I've heard it all before, I can always guess what the next chord is going to be.

I have a fondness for Ralph Stanley and Bill Monroe having seen them on my only visit to the US, at a wonderful club in Nashville, maybe 7 years ago - apart from that...

Sorry

Grey Wolf


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Midchuck
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 07:28 PM

"At the risk of offending bluegrass fans, bluegrass is one of the styles of music where I think that I've heard it all before, I can always guess what the next chord is going to be."

That's the point. I can't get excited about listening to pure, classic bluegrass for very long (although the Seldom Scene an' 'em are a different story) But because it's so predictable, you can get into a jam with people you never played with before, and make at least tolerable music immediately. You don't even have to be drunk to participate, like in an Irish session... (grinning evilly as he ducks for cover)...

Peter.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 07:35 PM

Grey Wolf, I'm sorry you've never felt the "bluegrass high" that I have. Not being able to guess the next chord is not a criterion for me to find the music exciting, although I love Mozart's unpredictable turns and some of the leaps in jazz. I've been in sessions where a TWO CHORD song was absolutely breathtaking. I guess it's all a matter of taste. Good luck finding the muse again.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jan 00 - 08:13 PM

"If I had words" (Liz) - was that the song the bloke in Babe who looked like Jackie Charlton sang? I liked that, and so did the pig. Pigs generally are interested in music. So are cows of course.

The trouble with hard-core bluegrass isn't the music, it's some of the attitudes. There's a right way and a wrong way, and if it's not the way it's always been done, its wrong. But when a good Irish session gets round to playing bluegrass it can end up anywhere, and that's how it should be. Greengrass is always greener on the other side of the wall.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: JamesJim
Date: 25 Jan 00 - 12:02 AM

Wolf, you say you play a lot of instruments, but you don't say if you play with others(?). I have also been in a place when I was not excited about music, but it generally was because I had no venue in which to play/sing it. For example, it excites me when I have a gig - practice becomes fun - preparation exciting. When I go to a "hoot" (going to one this Friday night), I prepare ahead of time, deciding what I am going to play/sing - looking forward to having fun. Hope you can find something to excite you about music (again). Jim


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jan 00 - 12:20 AM

Good bluegrass has sheer swooping curves and tensions in it that just carry me away when I'm in a good group of bluegrass singers. You may know the chords, but there';s no teling where the harmony is going to come from, and I guess I haven't run into the really rigid kind. I think anyone who is uncompromisingly rigid about right and wrong is going to dampen spirits.

But I have never known good bluegrass to!

A.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 25 Jan 00 - 06:56 AM

Oi, McGrath, you callin me a Pig??

Actually it was my sister, she played it to death, over and over, night after night, every bloody day of the week, til I was singing it in my sleep......... And yes, it is that song from Babe. Good film, I like pigs, my granfer used to keep one a year for breakfast.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 00 - 08:01 PM

I keep hearing about those "bluegrass attitudes," mostly here on mudcat, but I keep not running into them. Maybe I'm hanging out in all the right circles. But as a devoted bluegrasser, I really don't mind if the whole world doesn't like the music. In fact, it might spoil things if the crowds got any larger! I can only apologize for purportedly rude bluegrassers who may have offended some folkies' sensibilities, but I haven't personally found these attitudes, and very few do it the way "it's always been done" anymore.

Since I also love many other kinds of music, especially classical and old-time American traditional, I hope that music of some sort can fill your spirit. If you've gone stale, give it a rest and then try again. I think we all hit plateaus when we play, and need to just wait it out or play it out until we get by that point. It's usually better afterwards.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Pete Peterson
Date: 25 Jan 00 - 08:21 PM

I play both bluegrass and old-time music (and can be fairly eclectic as well) and in old-time music one often has JUST ONE chord (such as Ducks on the millpond!) Where, then, is the excitement? It IS there, that's for certain, or at least, it is there for me. I have run into some of the Rigid bluegrassers (in fact was going out with one for a while) who told me, for instance, that it was wrong to add a 3rd (baritone) part into a Stanley Brothers song originally recorded as a duet. "After all, there were only TWO Stanley brothers, Pete!" My rejoinder that toward the end, Carter was so drunk that he wasn't sure how many people were singing with him was not taken well. Grey Wolf, I wish I could wave a magic wand and take away that jaded feeling. Maybe hanging around some newbies for whom it's all new and exciting and catch some of that excitement? (Maybe, said the evil doctor, a simple blood transfusion, heh heh heh) better stop here


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Jan 00 - 08:22 PM

No Liz - if anything the implication would be that if you didn't like it you couldn't be a pig. Squeak would suggest mouse rather than pig - and while I liked the song, I didn't reckon the mice in the film really did it justice.

"Dogs, they look up to you, and cats, they look down on you - but pigs - pigs is equal" I can't remember where that comes from, but it's true.

Here's a pig song that got found through the Mudcat a few weeks ago and it case it doesn't co9me out right, here's a link to it:

THE NIGHT THAT O'RAFFERTY'S PIG RAN AWAY.
O'Rafferty's pig was a wonderful animal, Built like a battleship solid and stout, His ignorance it would have disgraced any cannibal, Impudence written all over his snout. The night he got loose there was such a commotion, That women were screaming and men turned pale, They were running and jumping, colliding and bumping, And everyone making a grab at his tail.

Then Mickey Malone the heavyweight champion, Ran at the pig wit a big rolling pin, He struck it a blow but caught Mrs.Mulroe, Her bustle was shifted up under her chin. Widow Malone fell through a shop window, In pickles and jam and red herrings she lay, She had salmon and skippers all over he knickers, The night that O'Rafferty's pig ran away.

It ran into the police court and looked at each prisoner, It swallowed the bible, said the judge infra dig, And because of your actions I'll postpone the case But the local solicitor said they must all try the pig. The pig looked at Reilly the principle witness, Then ran into the grocers next door to McCanns, He rolled in the butter, then dashed in the gutter, And that's how he kept slipping right out of their hands.

Fat Mrs. Doyle she ran like an elephant, Puffing and blowing with Mrs.Maguire, She fell on the ground and begorra the sound, Was just like the burst of a pneumatic tyre. Flanagan he then got the pig in a corner, He jumped on his back and ran into a drain, At twenty to seven his home was in heaven, The night that O'Rafferty's pig ran away.

A bloodthirsty crowd led by old Denis Cassidy, Chased it with vengeance from Derry to Cork, And didn't he swear when the pig with audacity, Jumped on a tram while he had to walk. It ran through the legs of old Councillor Duffy, A man of great standing and lofty ideas, When they collided old Duffy backslided, And down went the standing of twenty-five years.

Burke's wooden leg it was broken and shattered, Her lay on his back shouting for Doctor Lamont, Barney O'Toole says don't be a fool, It's a hammer and saw and a joiner you want. Then came the news that the pig had been captured, The town had a thanksgiving supper they say, And cabbage and bacon were lawfully taken, The night that O'Rafferty's pig ran away.

And that should cheer you up, Grey Wolf.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Jan 00 - 08:27 PM

I don't know what happened to the link -here's another go at it (since the line breaks didn't come through either): O'Rafferty's Pig


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: GUEST,Mbo
Date: 25 Jan 00 - 08:30 PM

Don't worry! Just when you've thought you've hti the top, and nothing more impresses you--then BOOM something hits you--maybe even music you wouldn't even give a second listen to. It happened to me! I listened almost exclusively to country music until 1994, when I checked out a classical album from the library, because I thought "my family would like it." I ended up falling in love with it, and listened to it everyday for over a month--then I became a classical junkie. It happened again with musicals in 1996, rock later that year, and Celtic in 1997. Last semester I was heavily exposed to traditional music of South America--and it happened again! And here I am on Mudcat, picking up bits of music from all over the place! If you think even the music you're playing isn't exciting anymore, look at me! A normal set of songs for me would be "The Fields of Athenry" (Celtic), "Cascaron" (a Andean harp tune), "Shima Uta" (a Japanese folk song) "Longing/Love" (George Winston) "The Royal Garden Blues" (Dixieland Jazz) and "The Way Life's Meant To Be" (ELO rock.) Like Charles Ives' father said "You've got to learn to stretch your ears."

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Jan 00 - 09:00 PM

Reebop, not everyone on here is totally down on rap. You would probably find this thread from last October pretty interesting.

katlaughing


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 03:59 AM

Love the pig song - anyone got any more?

Mbo - I was got the same way. I never liked opera until someone took me to see 'The Magic Flute'. Well, it was a night out, a free ticket and a Road to Damascus type conversion. I'm getting quite a collection now, but still can't stand Wagner in chunks larger than 35 minutes...

LTS


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 03:15 PM

I think Mozart counts as folk, if we were good enough to play it.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: kendall
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 03:40 PM

More and more often I find myself losing interest in making music. Been doing it for 55 years..but, then Someone like David Mallett or Gordon Bok drops in, and, they charge me up again. Also, last Summer, I stopped by The Shaws campsite at Thomas Point Bluegrass Festival, and again, I was rejuvinated. A while back I got to thinking about all those folks I have had the pleasure of making music with, and along comes Tom Paxton saying just what I was thinking with THE HONOR OF YOUR COMPANY.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 09:56 PM

Thanks, Kendall. Looking forward to the next time!


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: GUEST,tandl
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 10:09 PM

We need some lyrics and this is the first time I've gotten to post. An old song called "It wasn't God that made honkey tonk angels" is what is required. We been working up a banjo and guitar duet on an old gospel tune called "that great speckeld bird" and the requested lyrics are a direct decendant of this old gosel song. ain't it funny how these things happen. anyway if any one can help I would be appreciative.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 11:16 PM

Alzheimers is a disease of decreasing age.

It is reported, in the tabloid media, that Ronald Reagan is responding to children's stories and songs appropriate to a 5 year old.

Such a process I first saw when observing patients in convalscent hospitals.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 11:31 PM

Learn a new instrument folks. That'll get you back into it. I'm one and a half months into jazz fiddle and I'm havin a ball. I've never lost my love for alternative acoustic music, old jazz, and early rock and roll, but I'm sure gettin' tired of "celtic".

Rick


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Mbo
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 11:46 PM

Sorry to hear that, Rick. I'm not tired of any music yet!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 27 Jan 00 - 04:28 AM

I think the fact that there are a lot of posts of and requests for lyrics of the older, more well known songs, means that there is a group of people out there who are getting enthusiastic about this sort of music - how many of those songs got us into singing folk, jazz and blues, and how many have we sung recently?? I know I haven't sung them for ages, and looking at them in this forum, I started humming them again (thank you the rotten sod who posted 'You are my sunshine', I hummed it for a week!) and got enthusiastic again. I'm even considering going to a singaround session next month...... It certainly got me thinking about some of the music we do in church, and we resurrected a few old favourites last Sunday because of it....

LTS


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 27 Jan 00 - 10:42 PM

I don't know yer age or background MBO.....
but I surely, have gotten "tired of music" in particular styles....

and then a few years along the road, after learning and experimenting and writing, SUDDENLY the old makes connection to the new....
.............. an epiphaney occurs the two meld into a blend of sophistication never before imagined.


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Amos
Date: 27 Jan 00 - 10:57 PM

What makes a folksinger one is that h/sh/e can sense the clear intent behind the forms, the whisper from another age that tells a tale centuries ahead to someone who can hear it.

It is not just a technical skill, I maintain, but a sort of clairvoyance, or even psychic timetravel which enables the voice of the 18th century foretop man to come ringing through and slip through the window of the twenty-first century parlor singer.

This is not just "knowing songs", I submit for consideration, but a form of psychic ability to ttravel through the very walls of Time itself. Now this does not happen all the time, for sure; how many times can you hear Danny Boy or the Rocks O' Bawn and still make the trip back to the north of Scotland or an Irish serf's field in the (18th?) century?

But every now and then, the broadcast slips through, and you _are_ there, staring at holystoned decks in Baltimore or watching Kevin Barry swing, with bile in your mouth from the injustice of it.

And when that happens, no matter where or when, mates, folk music gets down right elECTrifying!

Like adrenalin itself, its the rush of that connection that brings us back time and again.

Amos waxing overmuch


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Mbo
Date: 27 Jan 00 - 10:57 PM

Gargoyle, I'm 21. And I guess I'm still pretty new to music. I didn't start listening to music other than country till I was 16. Sometimes I feel like a little baby--and there's this wondrous world of music thats been around for hundreds of years, or maybe only ten years, and it's all out there for me to explore. I've never actually got "tired" of any music--I left country behind a few years ago because it was getting to be all the same. Oh for the country music of 1992 again! Though I don't listen to the new anymore, I haven't given up on the older stuff that made up the basis of my musical foundation for most of my life. I have, however, fused new things I learned with that which I knew of old--just like you said, and create new frontiers. Music for me is like the galaxy--only a small portion of it have I charted. And tomorrow's another adventure into the unknown...


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Subject: RE: Age and being excited by music
From: Amos
Date: 27 Jan 00 - 11:08 PM

Ah, Mbo, melad, the centuries are calling, and you're the man to visit them!!
Mark my words, Matthew lad. Take it from a leathey ol' phart...the centuries are waiting...



A.


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