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Subject: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Anne Lister Date: 31 Dec 24 - 07:07 PM On Sunday January 5th and Sunday January 12th I'm setting up two fundraising zoom concerts, to raise money for the children and vulnerable caught up in the humanitarian disaster of Gaza. Money raised will go to the Red Cross, who are working with the Red Crescent in the area. The concerts will start at 7 pm UK time. There will be stories and songs. Artists taking part include Eileen McGann, Aileen Vance, Robb Johnson, Keith Kendrick and Sylvia Needham, Sara Grey, Sheena Wellington, Keith Donnelly and Lauren South, Martyn Oram and lots more. To make a donation and get the zoom link, go to this link Please note - this is about humanitarian aid, not politics. Please do not use this thread for virtue signalling or polemics. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GerryM Date: 31 Dec 24 - 10:37 PM Anne, in order to keep the concerts about humanitarian aid, and not politics, can I be assured that the artists will be expected to refrain from Israel-bashing, from advocating Palestine "from the river to the sea", and from showing any support for Hamas? |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Anne Lister Date: 01 Jan 25 - 01:05 PM GerryM, I'm not in the habit of telling fellow adults what to say or what not to say. Everyone who has volunteered is doing so on the basis that babies and children are freezing to death and that medical assistance in Gaza is almost non-existent. If you make a donation to the Red Cross/Red Crescent, that's where your money is going. If you don't want to run the faintest risk that you might just hear some criticism of Netanyahu and his policies from one of the 24 performers taking part then I suggest you simply donate to the charity instead. It worries me that this was your first response. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GerryM Date: 01 Jan 25 - 04:24 PM "I'm not in the habit of telling fellow adults what to say or what not to say." "Please do not use this thread for virtue signalling or polemics." I sense a contradiction here. A donation to the Red Cross appeals to me. I hope they can do more for the children of Gaza than Hamas has allowed them to do for the people Hamas kidnapped on 7 October 2023. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Backwoodsman Date: 01 Jan 25 - 05:02 PM ”Please note - this is about humanitarian aid, not politics. Please do not use this thread for virtue signalling or polemics.” Do you need someone to draw you a picture, GerryM? FFS respect Anne’s request. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Anne Lister Date: 01 Jan 25 - 06:41 PM Thank you, Backwoodsman. I have been regretting posting the event to Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Jan 25 - 08:25 PM However worthy the cause, when you stick your chin out, you have to expect someone to take a poke at it. That response wasn't unexpected. UNRWA is in place specifically to help Palestinians and a more global organization, affiliated with the American Red Cross, is the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies. I'll be making a donation through one of them. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GerryM Date: 01 Jan 25 - 08:34 PM Anne, I regret having caused you to regret posting here. I hope the concert raises oodles of money for the Red Cross / Red Crescent, and I hope those funds go to help the people who need the help. I don't for a minute doubt your good will. I do suggest that nothing about Gaza is entirely "about humanitarian aid, and not politics". Everything about Gaza is, at least in part, about politics, however much we may wish to leave politics out of it. It's sad, but I fear it's true. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GUEST,Peter Laban Date: 02 Jan 25 - 11:15 AM 'UNRWA is in place specifically to help Palestinians' Ofcourse the Knesset passed a bill on 28 October 2024 that demands UNWRA operations cease within 90 days. So perhaps Red cross/crescent is the best option at this point to get help to those who need it. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Anne Lister Date: 02 Jan 25 - 03:59 PM I have run previous concerts for UNWRA, to raise money for refugees in Ukraine (so no, it's not in place specifically for Palestinians - they deal with people in need worldwide). The reason I chose the Red Cross this time was because of what Peter Laban reports. I was aiming for a charity which is able to help in these challenging circumstances. Whatever your view of all that has happened, there can be no doubt, surely, that when babies and children are dying because hospitals have been destroyed then there is an urgent need to get help for them. I did indeed think that especially here on Mudcat someone would "take a poke" at the effort, which is why I did my best to stress that this is entirely about the humanitarian side. Luckily on Facebook and other social media I haven't had the same response. I have almost completely given up on Mudcat these days. I had hoped people would be interested in the concerts, which feature fine musicians and storytellers. Make donations where you want. The concerts are happening. If you would like to be part of the audience, you are all welcome. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GerryM Date: 02 Jan 25 - 05:37 PM At https://www.unrwa.org/who-we-are/frequently-asked-questions, it says, "UNRWA is mandated by the UN General Assembly to serve ‘Palestine refugees’." I found nothing on the web to indicate that UNWRA was in any way connected to refugees in Ukraine. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GUEST Date: 02 Jan 25 - 06:55 PM Thanks Anne for organising this much needed fundraiser, really appreciate all your efforts |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 02 Jan 25 - 09:29 PM [sells kisses to soldiers in Gaza] My God [Oh, Lord; My word], how the money rolls in! Sincerely, Gargoyle €49 of €1000 goal raised in three days ... you might want to try buskin' for Putin. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Anne Lister Date: 03 Jan 25 - 07:14 PM GerryM - I have no idea why you didn't find anything about UNWRA and the many other international projects they undertake. They are mandated to help Palestinian refugees, but they help refugees worldwide. I raised over £5000 for them two years ago. I receive updates from them. Why don't you stop sniping and do something constructive? It was an irrelevant search anyway, as I'm raising money for the Red Cross/Red Crescent, as stated above. And Gargoyle - pointless post, but why am I surprised? So far we've raised 30% of my target and the first concert hasn't happened yet. Oh, and it's a target in UK pounds, not Euros. Can I once again say (not so respectfully, because honestly I can't see why I should be respectful) that if you can't actually support this venture you simply ignore the thread? And, once again, two people demonstrate why Mudcat is no longer the forum I joined. I posted to Mudcat because I am running concerts featuring musicians and singers, to raise money to help innocent children. What do your comments say about you and your capacity for compassion? I won't be returning to this thread. I doubt if I'll be returning to Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 03 Jan 25 - 08:54 PM So sorry Anne, BLOOD/PLASMA donations are more welcome than money. Volunteer, it is good for the blood pressure. Sincerely, Gargoyle don't let the door smack you on your exit. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch Date: 04 Jan 25 - 03:00 AM [Again and always…] social media is not a valid source for anything medical or safety related… period. Paragraph. Just don't.[end] The American Red Cross Bio-Med is not the same org as the UK or the Red Crescent (obviously.) Speaking strictly to the former, and from first-hand, professional experience... a quarter century of Federal Court ordered supervision for lethally crap Quality Assurance/Control just ended not so long ago. Give local, save your end-user hospitals the cost of a risky, expensive and largely redundant middle-person. Blood and tissue products can be directed, right down to a specific patient, including oneself. Money cannot. It is fungible. Some of both will come from, and go to, (pro-)Zionists. I see no purpose here to “children” or “Gaza” other than the typical sort of marketing &c that will deliberately attract some and alienate others (see above.) Lastly, some portion of anything and everything that makes it to Gaza goes to support Hamas regardless of the type of aid or the source. Now, back to your usual Mudcatteries. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Jan 25 - 06:29 AM Anne, don’t be driven away. There’s a way to deal with arseholes and thread-wreckers - don’t let them bother you, just ignore them, don’t respond, scroll on by. It’s been a long time since we appeared on the same bill at Faldingworth, and it’s good to know you’re still involved with music. Your project is for a fine and just cause, and you have some superb artists appearing (I did a support spot for Eileen McGann in Lincoln a few years ago, she was wonderful). Wishing you every success with it. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GerryM Date: 04 Jan 25 - 09:52 AM "I have no idea why you didn't find anything about UNWRA and the many other international projects they undertake. They are mandated to help Palestinian refugees, but they help refugees worldwide." Anne, all I need is one link showing UNRWA undertaking a project unrelated to Palestinian refugees, and I will apologize wholeheartedly and thank you for correcting me. "Can I once again say ... that if you can't actually support this venture you simply ignore the thread?" Anne, I have never said that I can't support the venture. "What do your comments say about you and your capacity for compassion?" Anne, I feel great compassion for the children of Gaza, and for all those whose lives have been thrown into turmoil as a result of the actions of Hamas in October 2023. This includes the hundred who were kidnapped from Israel on that horrible day, and are still being held captive now, in January 2025. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GUEST,Steve Shaw Date: 04 Jan 25 - 04:03 PM Hundreds kidnapped, 40,000 slaughtered. Not all human beings are equal then, Gerry? Go ahead, Maggie, delete mine but leave the detestables standing. Define yourself thus. And kudos, Anne. I'm sorry it had to go this way. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GerryM Date: 04 Jan 25 - 05:04 PM Steve, please remember, we're not supposed to be engaging in polemics here. But certainly I acknowledge that 40,000 dead (latest figures I've seen more like 45,000) due to the actions of Hamas is worse than hundreds kidnapped by Hamas. Every one of those 45,000 would still be alive today, had Hamas not shot up a music festival 15 months ago. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Jan 25 - 05:10 PM No, Steve, I'll leave your nasty remark here, and note that the initial post was borrowing trouble. "Virtue signalling" was an insult before any offense was offered. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine refugees in the near east (UNRWA) is its own entity, part of the UN. Israel has tried to ban them, and has banned international journalists from reporting from Gaza. Donations to them won't go to waste. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GUEST,Steve Shaw Date: 04 Jan 25 - 08:07 PM Well of course you removed that earlier post so quickly that no-one here can properly judge what you're saying. My theme here has been to support Anne, who, by now, has almost certainly given up on Mudcat due to the bigoted and nasty comments which are nought but thinly-veiled support for the genocidal actions of Israel. That includes your first comment, to paraphrase, "Well, Anne, what did you expect..." It's a shame, Maggie, and you are complicit. Just look at the posts you've left here...
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Jan 25 - 10:58 AM The first post was inadvertently poorly worded, that problem has been thrashed thoroughly. The most recent bickering has been deleted. Either this stays about a concert or it goes into BS territory and will probably soon close. The choice is yours. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GerryM Date: 05 Jan 25 - 12:24 PM Stilly River Sage, you have left in Steve Shaw's description of me as "detestable", as well as Steve's accusation that I support genocide. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Jan 25 - 12:26 PM Examples of what not to repeat. If I take out everything the thread won't make any sense. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Backwoodsman Date: 05 Jan 25 - 02:00 PM If the cap fits… |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch Date: 05 Jan 25 - 03:45 PM Well, I'm going to repeat my deleted "bitch" right here and again. I owe to someones. To be crystal clear, I do not speak for any branch of the Red Cross and I'll not repeat the usual disclaimers. That said... I've asked around the ol' network and nary a soul has heard of a "...children of Gaza" Red Cross fund. Nor have the policies on directed donations changed since I retired lo those many years go. It's not as though your giving will go to waste but... after all is said and done... this concert's theme; the A&R; the thread title and all the rest are blown all out of proportion to what will benefit... "the children of Gaza." Nobody I've spoken with would exactly mind learning we are all wrong and the claims made herein are indeed ...the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth." Doubtful at present tho. So... Anne... what's the darn deal here? Can one get some specifics and decide on the hard maths and not the flame wars? Go ahead SRS, delete away. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GUEST,Steve Shaw Date: 05 Jan 25 - 03:53 PM Absolutely. If you're an apologist for the disgusting slaughter of tens of thousands of women and children, which a couple of people in this thread appear to be, you are an apologist for genocide. Try on that cap. And I'm going to make so bold as to speak for both John myself: neither of us is remotely an apologist for the disgusting actions of Hamas on October 7. Both moderators who have waded into this thread feet first (which makes them non-mods really...) have screwed up big-time. What a mess. One lied about post deletion and the other failed to apologise for his calling ME a liar. Am I cross? You bet. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GUEST,Steve Shaw Date: 05 Jan 25 - 03:55 PM That was a response to John, not in any way to the disagreeable post following his. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Backwoodsman Date: 05 Jan 25 - 04:13 PM I was responding to GerryM’s post, Steve - I guess you knew that. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Backwoodsman Date: 05 Jan 25 - 04:20 PM And I’m very disappointed indeed that, despite Anne’s earnest request in her OP that politics and polemics be kept out of her thread, the posts of at least two obvious apologists for the Israeli regime’s murderous war-crimes have been allowed to remain, and a good and decent woman has vowed not to return. What on earth is happening to this forum? |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: GUEST Date: 05 Jan 25 - 06:41 PM This happened about 15 years ago; a great tranche of us left the site (I wasn't one of them), but it's why I seldom sign in. Back then, the moderator was one of the major trolls. On the subject, GerryM, your advocacy has only confirmed why I won't play klezmer, which was one of the joys of my life, until there's peace and justice in the area. |
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Subject: RE: Concerts for the children of Gaza From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Jan 25 - 06:58 PM Until now I've kept my opinions out of this thread. I detest what Israel has done in Gaza, in Lebanon, and before closing this ill-conceived thread (Ann has plenty of activity going on over on Facebook, that will no doubt garner the donations she seeks) will suggest that each of you go get a copy of Jimmy Carter's The Blood of Abraham and the later Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid for a look at the history of the region. People were angry that Carter wrote the second one, and reviewer Kenneth Stein said "While Carter says that he wrote the book to educate and provoke debate, the narrative aims its attack toward Israel, Israeli politicians, and Israel’s supporters." In other words, he didn't let the US off the hook. Good for Jimmy. Due to the political nature this thread should have been immediately moved to BS. Now it is closed. |
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Subject: Great concert for the children of Gaza From: GerryM Date: 05 Jan 25 - 08:42 PM I attended the first of two concerts set up by Anne Lister to raise money for the children caught up in the humanitarian disaster of Gaza, money raised going to the (British) Red Cross. The talent Anne Lister lined up for the concert was terrific, and I thoroughly enjoyed the songs and stories that were presented. Anyone who followed the thread, now closed, in which Anne Lister announced these concerts will know that I was apprehensive that any public event concerning Gaza might descend into political point-scoring and, in particular, into Israel-bashing. I'm happy to relate that mention of the current situation in Gaza was kept to the humanitarian aspect, the wish to help the children of Gaza. Only two of the ten acts who performed made any mention of Israel at all. One mentioned IDF complicity in the Sabra-Shatila massacre of 1982, and one sang about the shooting by Israeli soldiers of a 16 year old Palestinian girl in Jenin in 2022. I thought both of these contributions were one-sided and would have benefitted from more context, but after all it was a concert and not a history lecture, and neither contribution made me feel threatened. If the second concert is anything like the first, I can recommend it to anyone who wishes to help children in Gaza, regardless of your views on the wider questions about Israel and Palestine. I regret that I will be unable to attend the second concert |
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