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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 05 Mar 25 - 12:44 PM The directing power behind the thrown of Elon Musk in the DODGE buzzsaw of cruelty is none other than Stephan Miller. Miller's wife also has a role in the mass firings. This emerging story is new this week, and there will be more to come. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Aethelric Date: 05 Mar 25 - 10:51 AM It seems to me that, under trump, the USA has now become the Rogue State of America. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 05 Mar 25 - 10:36 AM Copy/pasted from ElReg comments (possibly copy/pasted from somewhere else):
.... please move to the Jokes thread if necessary. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 05 Mar 25 - 07:40 AM Could Trump's ego be so malignant as to grovel at Putin's oligarchic feet? I do not think so. I believe he may have Putin envy as to his methods of dealing with his critics by murder. When mob boss Trump finally makes his bones by killing an opponent, he will finally feel he is an equal among dictators. It will have to be obvious but with impunity. Like all serial killers, it won't stop with just one. In the meantime, allowing any fraud, white collar crime, and tax cheating to be virtually legal will be his crowning achievement. To respect law and hold honor above all is just boy scout delusions to Trump. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 05 Mar 25 - 07:24 AM Greenland is a barren place Where the grows now green But he minerals and oil, just beneath the soil And the turnip can be seen. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 05 Mar 25 - 07:20 AM Would the threat of pulling out of NATO commitments be enough for Denmark to cede Greenland to the turnip or would he be counting on the rest of Europe pressurising Denmark to capitulate for the sake of safty and security across the continent? |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 05 Mar 25 - 05:59 AM > Manipulation of the concept of "peace" Thus has it always been:
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 05 Mar 25 - 12:40 AM Hubby sent me this but I don't have a link for it: An interesting analysis made by ChatGPT regarding the psychological aspects of the meeting between Zelensky and Trump-Vance is circulating online. From the analysis, we can conclude that we have witnessed a real master class in gaslighting, manipulation and coercion from Trump and his entourage. Let's analyze the key points: Blaming the victim for their own situation: Trump literally tells Zelensky: "You allowed yourself to be in a very bad position." This is a classic abuser's technique - to blame the victim for their suffering. Like, it's your own fault that Russia occupied you and is killing your people. Pressure and coercion to "gratitude": Vance demands that Zelensky say "thank you." This is an extremely toxic technique - to force the victim to thank for the help that she vitally needs, and then accuse her of ingratitude if she tries to defend her rights. Manipulation of the concept of "peace": Trump claims that Zelensky is "not ready for peace." But by this he means the capitulation of Ukraine. This is typical manipulation - replacing the concept of "just peace" with the concept of "surrender." Refusal to acknowledge the reality of war: Trump constantly says that Zelensky "has no cards," that "without us, you have no cards." This is another technique of the abuser - to devalue the efforts of the victim, claiming that she is powerless without the mercy of the "savior." Devaluation of the victims of war: "If you have a ceasefire, you have to accept it so that the bullets stop flying and your people stop dying." But Trump ignores that a ceasefire without guarantees is just a breathing space for Russia to regroup and strike again. Dominance tactics: Trump constantly interrupts, does not let Zelensky speak. He says, "No, no, you've said enough," "You're in no position to dictate to us." This is a deliberate use of psychological pressure to establish a hierarchy where Zelensky is a subordinate. Forcing capitulation under the guise of "diplomacy": Vance claims that "the path to peace is through diplomacy." This is a classic tactic when the aggressor is allowed to continue his aggression without resistance. Projection and substitution of concepts: Trump says, "You are playing with the lives of millions of people." But this is exactly what he does by shifting responsibility to Zelensky. Creating the illusion that Zelensky owes America something: The United States does help Ukraine, but presenting this aid in the form of "you must obey, otherwise you will not get anything" is a form of financial and military coercion, not partnership. Devaluing Ukrainian resistance: Trump says that "if it were not for our weapons, this war would be over in two weeks." This is an attempt to completely erase the merits of Ukrainians and present them as completely dependent on the United States. Conclusion: Trump and his team used the full range of abusive tactics: gaslighting, blaming the victim, forcing gratitude, manipulating the concepts of "peace" and "diplomacy". These are not negotiations - this is an attempt to force Zelensky to accept conditions that are beneficial to the United States, but mortally dangerous for Ukraine. - Tetyana Shippee, Professor of Sociology |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: robomatic Date: 04 Mar 25 - 10:28 PM Watching and listening to TRMP addressing Congress. Many thoughts, varied and centering around not having much of an appetite. He seems to be modelling his delivery off last night's Academy Awards. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Mar 25 - 10:21 PM I can't stand to listen to him, he's a manipulating sociopath; turning past the channel you hear him narrating the story of some poor crime victim, milking it for all it's worth and blaming others. Half of the room stands to applaud. I watched a couple of minutes of his entering the room, and I think it was Noem the Homeland Security twit who leaned over to give him a hug and his hand shot up to keep her hand and arm away from his hair. I'll get some of the commentary after the spectacle. Alas, these are our monkeys and this is our circus. We need to do something about it. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Mar 25 - 08:24 PM He always telegraphs what he is going to do by what he accuses others of doing. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 04 Mar 25 - 08:14 PM Narcissists lob insults at others in which they are really describing themselves. Zelenskyy is a "dicator", "America is bloated, fat, and disgusting". Both of those insults describe Trump. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 25 - 06:56 PM C-Street is where most of the lobbyists have offices in DC. The twirling tornado of tumult will be celebrated by Trump tonight at the State of the Union Address. He says that "America is bloated, fat, and disgusting", which is far from a shining city on a hill with a thousand points of light that promise, Yes we can. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 04 Mar 25 - 03:44 PM A sharp commentary on ABC (Oz) News site relating to Trump dropping DEI initiaves: As Donald Trump and his 'broligarchs' take over, reality disappears from conversations on gender and diversity By Annabel Crabb (Note: Ms Crabb's articles are always worth reading, IMHO.) "There are no rules — and should be no judgement — about how International Women's Day should be marked. "Not everyone's a fan of pink cupcakes and special breakfasts full of women who are a little bit crying-on-the-inside from having to get it together even earlier than usual. "Some ladies contain themselves to the quiet ritual of doing one and a half times as much housework as their husband, just like every other day. "That said, I think we can agree that America's IWD 2025 game plan is a departure from form." .... "Does the Trump ascendancy formally liberate the C-suite cavemen who were hiding under their desks this whole time? "Or are these urgent new corporate hobbies (mixed martial arts, belchin', fartin', scratchin', hog-shootin') just the best roll of the dice for a broligarch all too whimperingly aware that his day job right now is to abase himself completely among the cheeseburger wrappers at the feet of a 78-year-old reality TV star?" .... |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 25 - 01:03 PM btw...The top secret documents the FBI removed from Mara Lago are going back to Mara Lago bathrooms. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 25 - 12:30 PM Meself has a good point but lacks a profit margin that is the point of the artful deal. Why else is Trump grifting with cryptocurrency of his own as well as a national cryptocurrency reserve? Trump has had bad press and shameful behavior on camera before. Of course, the gifts he is giving Putin aren't costing him anything, so the motivation is nonetheless a mystery to me. Occams Razor favors the oil money guess. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Aethelric Date: 04 Mar 25 - 11:56 AM I truly believe you are right meself. He would be ruined. It takes a certain type of man to sell his country and the free world to avoid that. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Dorothy Parshall Date: 04 Mar 25 - 11:49 AM Woke up this morning feeling cheerful; spring is in the air; the temp is above freezing. Then started checking the internet - here and elsewhere. 15 minutes and - I am going out to the River for some fresh air and springtime cheer. Mind your mental health!! |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 04 Mar 25 - 11:48 AM Well, he wants a share of the critical minerals in Ukraine, and the Gaza Riviera, and a Nobel Peace Prize, and...and...and...maybe a Russian oligarch's yacht when he defects to live over there with his broligarch buddy. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: meself Date: 04 Mar 25 - 11:46 AM Not necessarily. The deal could well be about Putin refraining from releasing the dirt he has on trump. Which would have to be pretty bad, to be worse than what has already been exposed about Epstein's old pal. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 25 - 11:20 AM That's BS. Fun is fun but the deal is always about cash. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 04 Mar 25 - 11:15 AM "What is he getting in return for his many sweet Russian deals he is giving Putin?" A gigantic ego-massage. His favourite reward. |
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Subject: RE: What is Trump getting for his Russia deal? From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 25 - 10:51 AM Regarding his reversible executive orders, Trump is losing in Court more than he is winning BUT he is ignoring and not complying with court orders. Trump is transactional in life, so what is he getting in return for his many sweet Russian deals he is giving Putin ????????? Trump stopped all Ukrainian aid in money, weapons, and rebuilding their energy grid. Trump has canceled all Russian kleptocracy actions in the US, like taking their yachts. Trump has banned the dept of web cryptology that fought attacks of Russian ransomware and election interference. Trump voted against Ukraine joining NATO Trump wants Congress to remove ALL sanctions against Russia. ???? WHAT IS HE GETTING IN RETURN ???? 8 years ago I suspected he was offered a large percentage of Russian OIL profits but I have no proof. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 04 Mar 25 - 10:33 AM The problem for those attempting to handle the damage is the sheer speed and volume of it: think Gish Gallop applied to policy. Everybody knows the Oik-in-Chief should be taken both literally and seriously, but nobody knows from minute to minute quite which direction he'll actually take, and on which of his brain farts he'll follow through.* Breath-taking, in a purely negative sense. I hereby donate the backronym "Unlimited States of Anoxia" to general use. * I may or may not wish to rephrase that. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Mar 25 - 08:21 AM That was exactly my earlier question, Dave. What are the GOP doing, are they questioning his behaviour, or are they complicit in it? Are his unilateral actions even legal under that weird system of government they have in the US? He is behaving like the despotic dictator of some banana republic, seemingly unchallenged by those elected to government. WTAF?? |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Dave the Gnome Date: 04 Mar 25 - 08:00 AM The more ridiculous his policies become, the more I wonder who is allowing them to pass. Here in the UK and, as far as I know, in many other countries, no single person has that type of power. The president or prime minister or leader of the party or whatever cannot enact laws or policies without the approval of government. Just what is going on over there and who is going to stop it, when? |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 04 Mar 25 - 06:26 AM Argh. There's two people in charge of TAFKATUS (the Traffic Accident Formerly Known As The United States): at home, Agent X; abroad, Agent Orange's controller. Meanwhile, Beijing is quietly delighted. For light relief, this is copy/pasted (with apologies to Librarians everywhere) from the comments section of an ElReg article on US stocks slipping in response to the tarrifs:
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 25 - 06:09 AM The buzz among people I talk with is "everything is broken". This has been a long time coming, with the decades old stealing people's pensions by selling the corporation and then losing their homes in the default swap scandal. This is Trump's 'honeymoon period'. There is a lot of fuckery going on. 54% think we're on the wrong track, but in Biden's last month 64% thought we were on the wrong track. Once the impact of the tariff trade war and loss of services really kick in, there will be serious talk of divorce. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Mar 25 - 03:28 AM Thanks for that piece SRS. I had to Google ‘dox’! |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Mar 25 - 11:41 PM He's insisting that tariffs will go into effect overnight and the projections of the market show a loss this quarter, and my latest mutual fund purchase is underwater from the original price. I guess we are approaching be the "buy low" period in my investing routine. This is sparkly stuff still - the funding from USAID still hasn't been released, despite a court order to do so. He has the security agencies that watch Russia turn off the gaze that protects from cyber crap. He has illegally impounded all of the aid that is supposed to be sent to Ukraine from the 2024 budget. This just keeps getting worse, and the GOP sit on their scaredy little hands. From The Guardian Republicans terrified of crossing Trump due to physical threats, Democrat says: Swalwell’s comments came in a webinar chaired by the journalist Sidney Blumenthal in response to a question on whether Republicans might be driven to rebel against or even impeach Trump. Trump and his family and friends regularly threaten and dox people they don't like, turning their rabble loose to threaten them. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Donuel Date: 03 Mar 25 - 08:32 PM There once was a time when honor meant something to America. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Mar 25 - 04:27 PM The Resident is doing a "state of the union" tomorrow - I don't think I'll be able to stand watching it, but watch it we must. Maybe he'll telegraph enough about his bad intentions to finally get movement from the GOP. The Academy Awards were last night and you would barely know there is anything untoward going on in the world (with the exception of Gaza) for the attempts to interject political remarks by the presenters. They were pretty pathetic, and I realized a lot of them we usually see weren't in attendance. Maybe some of the pieces of personal jewelry were symbolic, but I didn't recognize any of them. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 03 Mar 25 - 03:09 PM Yes of course! Thanks for that MaJoC. Now all we have to do is nominate Putin's puppet for the award. BTW, there are lot of political cartoons on that idea if you do an internet image search for: "cartoon Trump Putin puppet" |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 03 Mar 25 - 01:00 PM > I am wondering whether there is an Ig Nobel *War* Prize. Given the nature of the Iggies, Helen, it'd be the IgNobel Peace prize. I'd much sooner see the wretched oik achieve a Darwin Award, but I doubt he'd get sufficient marks for creativity or style. Side thought: Might the bugger have been deaf as a small child? I've only ever heard one other person with such a boring voice, and he said that was the cause. .... Now to go back and read the rest of the thread. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Mar 25 - 11:38 AM Some of the last few posts were deleted, others moved over to the Ukraine thread. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Mar 25 - 11:08 AM Dick, you're just being wilfully stupid for argument sake. I'm going to delete this crap. You want a little time out? Just keep pushing. Trump is doing what Trump does best, distract from the damage he's doing to the US itself. Friday was a spectacular demonstration of that. Let's not stray into the minefield that Dick has tried to lay for us. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Mar 25 - 09:01 AM A piece from Swedish psychologist, Wirsén Psykologi. Although SRS has asked that we don’t post long pieces from other sources, I’m very much aware that we have members here who don’t want to interact with FB, so I’m posting it in full. I hope this is OK, I haven’t linked to it because the original is in Dutch and readers must be logged in to FB for it to translate to English. Putin- and Trump-apologists would do well to read carefully and think a bit… ”Today it became painfully clear how narcissistic display of power and psychopathology look like, when Trump openly humiliated Zelensky in the Oval Office. In the eyes of the accredited world press, he called Zelensky “disrespectful,” questioning his loyalty and insinuating that he did not deserve US support. As if that wasn't enough, he warned that Zelensky could cause a third world war - a classic psychopathological feature in which threats are used as a control tool. This wasn’t just a display of poor diplomatic behavior – it was a demonstration of power, characterized by narcissism and psychopathy. ?? Grand self-esteem and need for submission – Trump expected Zelensky to show gratitude and admiration. When that didn't happen, he punished him publicly. People with narcissistic personality disorder cannot tolerate their self-image challenged and use humiliation as a defense mechanism. ?? Manipulation and threats – Blaming someone for a potential disaster is a classic psychopathic tactic. By saying that Zelensky is “playing with the Third World War,” he blames him, while positioning himself as the only one who can prevent the catastrophe. ?? Impulsive and emotionally driven power exercise – When Trump felt challenged by Zelensky, he abruptly ended the meeting. A stable and strategic leader had addressed the situation diplomatically, but a person with psychopathic traits reacts instinctively from his own sense of loss of control. But why did he do this in front of the press? This is exactly why narcissists and psychopaths love to display their power in public. By humiliating Zelensky in front of the world, he is sending a signal – not only to him, but to all leaders and nations: “I am the one who decides, and whoever does not obey will be destroyed.” ” What we saw today was not just a president behaving inappropriate. It was a school example of how narcissistic and psychopathic leaders use humiliation, threats, and manipulation to assert their power. And just like in destructive relationships, it's never about building, it's about control. And what happened to the agreement on minerals? What does it take to drive a Tesla? Narcissists, dictators, and psychopaths idealize each other and work together in unholy alliances. Trump can no longer claim to be leader of the free world. His actions today do not place him among democratic statesmen but among the dictators of history. A true leader builds alliances based on respect and diplomacy – a dictator rules with threats, fear and humiliation. When the fate of the world is at stake, we must not close our eyes to this difference. We did not see a president today, but a despot in real-time.” |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 03 Mar 25 - 03:10 AM What is the name of that syndrome where the underlings don't question the person in charge? It related to President JFK making plans to invade Cuba. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Mar 25 - 11:19 PM Long time Republican conservative commentator David Brooks spoke on the PBS News Hour on the evening after the Trump/Vance ambush of Zelenskyy in the Oval Office. Here are the remarks (from the program transcript). Scroll down for the entire discussion. I was nauseated, just nauseated. All my life, I have had a certain idea of about America, that we're a flawed country, but we're fundamentally a force for good in the world, that we defeated Soviet Union, we defeated fascism, we did the Marshall Plan, we did PEPFAR to help people live in Africa. And we make mistakes, Iraq, Vietnam, but they're usually mistakes out of stupidity, naivete and arrogance. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 02 Mar 25 - 07:36 PM Aethelric, I think that the Politico article about kompromat explains why Putin always has that cat who got the cream smirk on his face when he looks at Trump. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 02 Mar 25 - 07:04 PM Well, my bet is on the "choking on a cheeseburger" event. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Mar 25 - 07:01 PM Ok, got it. I skipped over that word - at this rate, Trump is definitely trying for something that lets him "act presidential" - alas, war is one of those opportunities. At this point I'm hoping for a swift departure for our un-loved president. Before he has a chance to claim any victories or declare any wars. If the senate doesn't convict him in an impeachment, Jack Ruby in 1963 comes to mind. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 02 Mar 25 - 05:15 PM SRS, I know about the Ig Nobel Prize but I am wondering whether there is an Ig Nobel *War* Prize. LOL |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Mar 25 - 04:28 PM There is such a thing, Helen. The Ig Nobel Prize. Trump is still trying to erase Obama's accomplishments. Obama won that award mostly because he wasn't George W. Bush, so Biden should have the peace prize hands-down following the first Trump administration. Maybe the next Democratic president will get the same warm reception from the thinking world. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Helen Date: 02 Mar 25 - 03:00 PM I am hoping that instead of Trump achieving the coveted Nobel Peace Prize, he is awarded the Ig Nobel War Prize, which if it doesn't exist already should be created in his (dis)honour. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: gillymor Date: 02 Mar 25 - 03:00 PM What's the point of shaming Americans. I didn't vote for him, I did what I could to support his opponent and to keep him from being elected. I feel sickened by him but don't feel at all ashamed. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Raggytash Date: 02 Mar 25 - 02:35 PM I cannot recall every seeing two so called "politicians and statesmen" acting in such a gross and undignified manner. Were I American I would be utterly ashamed that my nation had voted in two people who were acting like schoolroom bullies. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Mar 25 - 01:57 PM But he loves to watch TV and see himself on the news. So that still might creep into his vision. And the angrier he gets the more mistakes he makes. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 02 Mar 25 - 01:42 PM > the odd protest or two in the UK if trump ever takes up > the offer of a visit There will be, but they won't be visible from the grounds of Blenheim, and he'll be flown in and out by chopper. That's what was done last time, to ensure poor Diddums didn't get his ego bruised by seeing them. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Aethelric Date: 02 Mar 25 - 01:39 PM One does wonder what sort of hold Putin has over trump. There is an interesting article on Politico:- The most revealing section concerned kompromat. The document asked for: “Compromising information about subject, including illegal acts in financial and commercial affairs, intrigues, speculation, bribes, graft … and exploitation of his position to enrich himself.” Plus “any other information” that would compromise the subject before “the country’s authorities and the general public.” Naturally the KGB could exploit this by threatening “disclosure.” Finally, “his attitude towards women is also of interest.” The document wanted to know: “Is he in the habit of having affairs with women on the side?” https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-russia-the-hidden-history-of-trumps |
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