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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 07 Sep 25 - 03:29 PM ”There you go! Posting the Spanish version wouldn't have been helpful. :) “ No Spanish version when I Googled it, SRS, just the English version. Mind you, you’re in Tejas and a lot closer to México than me - maybe that has something to do with it? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Sep 25 - 02:44 PM There you go! Posting the Spanish version wouldn't have been helpful. :) RFK, Jr. isn't the only one trashing US science. A Resounding Rejection of the US DOE’s Sham “Climate Science” Report From the Union of Concerned Scientists: The comment period for a sham “climate science” report commissioned by the US Department of Energy closed earlier this week and the verdict is in: the scientific community has overwhelmingly and resoundingly rejected the report. In addition to its deeply flawed content, which is rife with inaccuracies and disinformation aimed at downplaying the risks of climate change, many have also called out the shoddy, secretive, and potentially unlawful process used to draft it. Read the rest at the link. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 07 Sep 25 - 02:08 PM To make SRS happy - Heather Cox Richardson. Substack, 6/9/25 |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 07 Sep 25 - 12:58 PM I would agree with your "made up shit" scenario as often as I might agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene. Whatever you do to educate yourself is better than nothing, so I agree with that, as long as you have the means to avoid becoming cult-like. Will the Supreme Court agree with Trump tariffs or find them illegal like the lower courts? Its not like sports betting where there are reasoned odds. It may be a matter of extortion or actual constitutional interpretation. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 07 Sep 25 - 11:54 AM Heather Cox Richardson posts in several venues and can be read without subscribing to FB. I pulled up her Substack account, but for some reason it is all displaying in Spanish at the moment. Time for some trouble-shooting. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 07 Sep 25 - 11:41 AM ”One reason I post here is that it is not Facebook.” Your choice. And why I post the text in full, as well as provide a link to the FB piece. I believe it’s very important to post links to sources, otherwise readers are perfectly justified in assuming it’s just ‘more made-up shit’. Wouldn’t you agree? |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 07 Sep 25 - 10:49 AM One reason I post here is that it is not Facebook. There are many examples of Trump's cons and corruption that are ignored by the Justice Department, while the con men involved are ousted from their political appointments inside various agencies. Ergo you won't always find a link to their million-dollar crimes. Some are as amateur as steering millions to a spouse by way of fake employment. I have yet to include these specific examples in my posts. Just know they exist. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 07 Sep 25 - 04:39 AM Heather Cox Richardson on FB yesterday (posted here in full for the benefit of non-FB-ers)… ”September 6, 2025 (Saturday) Today the social media account of President Donald J. Trump posted an AI-generated image of Trump as if he were Lieutenant Colonel Bill Kilgore from the 1979 film Apocalypse Now in front of the Chicago skyline with military helicopters and flames and the caption “Chipocalypse Now.” Kilgore loved the war in Vietnam in which he was engaged; his most famous line was “I love the smell of napalm in the morning.” Over the image, Trump’s social media post read: “‘I love the smell of deportations in the morning…’ Chicago about to find out why it’s called the Department of WAR.” The words were followed by three helicopter emojis, symbols the right wing uses to represent former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet’s goons’ disappearing political opponents by pushing them out of helicopters. Although it has become trite to speculate about what Republicans would say if a Democratic president engaged in the behavior Trump exhibits daily, this open attack of the president on an American city is a new level of unhinged. Mehdi Hasan of Zeteo wrote: “The president of the United States just declared war, actual military war, not a metaphorical one, on a major American city, and one governed by his political opponents.” He added, accurately: “In any other period, this would be impeachment-worthy.” Illinois governor J.B. Pritzker called attention to the gravity of Trump’s post: “The President of the United States is threatening to go to war with an American city. This is not a joke. This is not normal. Donald Trump isn’t a strongman, he’s a scared man. Illinois won’t be intimidated by a wannabe dictator.” Under the words “Know your rights, Illinois,” and “Stay safe and stay informed,” the governor’s social media account posted information about Americans’ rights in both English and Spanish. Trump’s threats against American citizens are outrageous, but they also feel desperate. Trump’s popularity is tanking, the economy is faltering, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is facing a chorus of calls to resign or be fired, and the American people are taking to the streets. Thousands of people turned out today in Washington, D.C., for the “We Are All D.C.” march to protest the presence of troops in the city, and in Chicago for the “Chicago Says No Trump No Troops” protest. The protests are notable for the seas of signs the peaceful protesters carry. And then, with Congress back in session, there is the resurgence of the issue of Trump’s appearance in the Epstein files. Last week, the White House warned Republicans that voting to release the Epstein files “would be viewed as a very hostile act to the administration.” Yesterday, Trump reiterated his claim that the agitation for the release of the files is a “Democrat HOAX…in order to deflect and distract from the great success of a Republican President.” Also yesterday, lawyers for the Justice Department asked a federal judge to keep the names of two associates who received large payments from Epstein in 2018 secret. Days before the payments, the Miami Herald had started to examine the sweetheart deal Epstein got in 2008. One associate received a payment of $100,000, and the second received $250,000. As part of his plea deal, Tom Winter of NBC News reports, Epstein got a guarantee that the associates would not be prosecuted. Last night, Trump hosted the inaugural dinner of what the White House is calling the “Rose Garden Club” in the newly-paved White House Rose Garden, telling those assembled that they were there because they are loyal to the president. “You’re the ones that I never had to call at 4:00 in the morning,” Trump told them. “You are the ones that have been my friends, and you know what I’m talking about." Yesterday, talking to reporters about the Epstein files, House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) said that Trump was “an FBI informant to try to take this stuff down.” The idea that Trump was secretly working to bring Epstein down is common fare among conspiracy theorists, but as Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo suggests, Johnson’s embrace of it might well be an attempt to spin material in the files before it becomes public. Marshall notes that journalist Michael Wolff, who interviewed Epstein at length during Trump’s first presidency, says that Epstein suspected it was Trump who told the authorities about his systemic sexual assault of girls. But if so, Marshall explains, this is damning rather than exonerating. It’s pretty well known that Trump and Epstein had a falling out in 2004 after Trump went behind Epstein’s back to buy an estate in South Florida that Epstein wanted. But at the time, Trump was headed toward bankruptcy, and it was not clear where he was getting the money to buy the estate. Marshall calls attention to a recent interview in which Wolff said that Epstein suspected Trump was laundering money for a Russian oligarch—and indeed, Trump did flip the property to a Russian oligarch for a profit of more than $50 million a few years after buying it—and threatened to sue Trump, bringing the money laundering to light. At that point, the Epstein investigation began. According to Wolff, Epstein believed Trump had notified the police about what was going on at Epstein’s house, which he knew because he was a frequent visitor. Marshall speculates that Johnson mentioned that Trump was an informant because that information could well be in the files the Department of Justice has, and they’re trying to spin it ahead of time to make it sound like Trump was a hero. But both Wolff and Marshall note that if indeed Trump turned the FBI onto Epstein, it shows he knew what was taking place at Epstein’s properties. Johnson’s claim that Trump was an FBI informant suggests Trump’s team is worried that as more and more people get access to the files, it will be increasingly difficult to hide what’s in them. Trump's demand for Republicans’ loyalty suggests that at least some of them are starting to recalculate it. And that, in turn, might have something to do with why he is putting troops in the streets.” Trump and his cohort show, once more, what pond-life scum they really are. Original HCR FB post here… |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 06 Sep 25 - 04:21 PM His mom, Ethel, was a piece of work. Can you blame her? A couple of other Kennedy kids had misadventures in their cars after taking Ambien. Kerry crashed into the guard station obliviously at the Capitol building while sleep driving. RFK Jr. wins the whacky prize among his cousins. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Helen Date: 06 Sep 25 - 03:58 PM And unfortunately Donuel, those characteristics of RFK Jr are combined with being born and raised into a family with a tradition of using their skills, knowledge and beliefs to work for the good of the nation. RFK Jr doesn't understand that his own specific skills, knowledge and beliefs are undermining the good of the nation. This old song is becoming relevant again: AU Sign in Barry McGuire - Eve Of Destruction |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 06 Sep 25 - 12:34 PM Robert Kennedy Jr. is the grim RFKer. He was a very sickly child. He is brain-damaged now. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Sep 25 - 06:18 PM His take is to dismantle science as we know it. Time to get rid of him, and the horse he rode in on. There are competing hearings this week, equally important - the Epstein survivors are threatening to name names. Kennedy needs to stop firing people and making medical decisions for millions of people. He got an earful yesterday. All of this chaos because of Donald Trump. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Helen Date: 05 Sep 25 - 02:00 PM BWM, eat the rainbow, man! :-) I am very sure that the orange one doesn't. (As an aside and totally off-topic, I can highly recommend making fries from the orange-fleshed sweet potatoes called kumera. Marinate the cut pieces with olive oil and some spices e.g. paprika, ras el hanout etc, put some cornflour on just before frying to give them a bit of crunch. Yummo! and good for your health.) Sorry, back to the topic: Republicans and Democrats grill RFK Jr on vaccine policies in fiery Senate hearing "In short: Democrats and Republicans have grilled US Secretary of Health Robert F Kennedy Jr on his recent vaccine policies in a fiery Senate hearing. "Senators contrasted Mr Kennedy's policies with Donald Trump's successful first-term pandemic initiative to speed up vaccine development. "Mr Trump has expressed support for Mr Kennedy, saying he has a 'different take' on vaccines." |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 05 Sep 25 - 07:56 AM ”Er, no!! :-D” Spoilsport! ;-) :-) |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Sep 25 - 12:43 AM The man is vile. Judge, Jury, Executioner When one man is all three, democracy is on the brink The article describes Trump's very busy weekend, in which he tried to, during dead of night, send 600 minors in foster care back to Guatemala (a judge stopped it from happening) and then he decided to blow a boat to smithereens in the Caribbean - suggesting it was bad guys smuggling drugs. But that isn't how they are stopped, the Coast Guard usually apprehends them. The boat was 2000 miles distant from the US. To be clear, one small boat with 11 people and no apparent weapons on board, located more than 2000 miles from the United States, was considered a threat by the president — a threat so imminent he chose to use immediate lethal force. And that lethal force has obliterated any and all evidence. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Helen Date: 04 Sep 25 - 05:39 PM Er, no!! :-D I think Trump doesn't like to admit that he is sick so I doubt that he would use that as a smokescreen to deflect attention away from the Epstein business. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Sep 25 - 05:28 PM I’ve had T2 since gall-bladder problems buggered my pancreas back in 2006, so I guess I can eat chips as often as I like now? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Helen Date: 04 Sep 25 - 04:43 PM The orange one has looked a bit pale and pasty-faced in the last few photos and videos I have seen. My bet is on a heart condition. Is there a medically recognised cognition called McDonalds-itis or junkfooditis? I read about this earlier this week: Eating chips three times a week linked to higher risk of type 2 diabetes, study finds |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Sep 25 - 02:45 PM Anyway, is the old bastard dead yet? TBH, I’m not persuaded there’s anything wrong with him (apart from his self-inflicted obesity) - I’m pretty certain it’s all another distraction tactic, to draw attention away from his inclusion in the Epstein Files/List and his unsavoury, if not downright illegal,activities at Pædo Island and elsewhere in the Epstein empire. I guess time will tell… |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 04 Sep 25 - 11:27 AM The Guard has good reasons to be pissed off. The lowest pay of 11 bucks/hr is below McDonald's 15. Besides, they are often on duty for 10 hour days but paid for less. The food is nothing to brag about. Only ICE is making most of the arrests. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 04 Sep 25 - 11:05 AM The little valves inside veins that ensure one-way blood flow can get old and break down, allowing blood to flow with gravity, leaking into extremities like the feet and ankles. Combined with neuropathy, one is prone to misteps on stairs. I heard Trump may no longer board Air Force One by the tallest stairs but by the lower cargo stairs. I have noticed he has a death grip on the handrails. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Sep 25 - 11:02 AM You have that one right. There's a meme making the rounds today (when isn't there?) by former Federal Prosecutor Joyce Vance: "You don't need to have my 25 years of experience as a prosecutor to understand that people who fight this hard to hide something have something to hide. It's time to release the files." Meanwhile, Mother Jones So far, their work has not gone exactly as planned. Last week, the soldiers deployed to fight a “crime emergency” instead found themselves completing “beautification” duties on Capitol Hill and patrolling Krispy Kremes. Users on the r/NationalGuard subreddit were quick to give their colleagues a new nickname: National Guardeners. And akin to the 29-day deployments (not mentioned here) is this: In order to receive retirement benefits, National Guardsmen generally need to acquire at least 20 “good years” of service. This means committing some time to the National Guard each month. Often, this takes the form of practice drills. But, shortly after the DC deployment, Alex said, they received instructions not to drill for the rest of the fiscal year (which ends September 30). |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Sep 25 - 09:01 AM Anyway…back to The Orange Rapist. Any news in the US about his health issues? Over here in the UK, it’s reported he’s suffering from ‘chronic venous insufficiency’ (or something along those lines - I’m not a doctor). Chronic venal over-sufficiency would probably be more appropriate. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 04 Sep 25 - 07:28 AM There are people in the US with real moral courage who do keep their head down at times, but will blossom and prevail when the time is right. Things have been worse, although this last gasp of the Confederacy is as desperate and challenging as the battle of the bulge. Remember, the actual majority owns the streets. The wealthy own the real estate. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: The Sandman Date: 04 Sep 25 - 03:44 AM A greater threat to the health of all Americans is lack of exercise, plus eating too much fast food. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Sep 25 - 11:15 AM He's a threat to the health of all Americans. That's a good database, Donuel, thanks. The US record-keeping for much of that has faded away in the last couple of years. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: The Sandman Date: 03 Sep 25 - 10:07 AM Robert Kennedy jnior is a threat to the drug industry |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 03 Sep 25 - 07:54 AM https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/weekly-covid-deaths Other data puts the current weekly US Covid deaths at 250 or .5% per 100,000. Death rates spike in January. Depending on your State some heathy 40 year olds may be turned away from getting a covid vaccine at drug stores. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Sep 25 - 12:19 AM The once-daily newsletter Wall Street on Parade has almost disappeared completely, but this one appeared this morning: It’s Time to Name the “Wall Street Financiers” in the Epstein Files |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Sep 25 - 12:10 AM And a handful of states are in a bind about the next version of the COVID vaccine. Trump and Kennedy are practicing medicine without a license. C.D.C. Uncertainty Upends Covid Vaccine Access at CVS and Walgreens State laws and regulatory chaos are driving the country’s largest pharmacy chains to require prescriptions or hold back altogether unless a C.D.C. panel acts. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Sep 25 - 11:58 PM Stand Up for Science: Quack-o-grams Against RFK Jr. "We are hand-delivering rubber ducks to House Representatives with a message to “Impeach the Quack.” Bobby “The Quack” Jr is a threat to our health and he has to go. So, we are getting creative with a campaign" |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Sep 25 - 09:16 PM $11 is low even for anything, whatever their per diem pay might be, but regardless of that amount, the important thing is that Trump is indeed making the details for 29 days to stiff them from other benefits. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 02 Sep 25 - 06:18 PM I wonder if Melania has sued Donald for a loss of consortium, which refers to the loss of rights and privileges due to the inability to participate in marital relations, often due to injury or wrongdoing. I expect the opposite might have happened as well. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 02 Sep 25 - 06:05 PM The National Guard is not happy, doing trash pick up. Title 10 makes Guard members responsible for interfering with civilians' civil rights and is punishable by 2 years in prison. They are not allowed to do police work on civilians by law, even if the President orders them. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 02 Sep 25 - 05:59 PM My source is a former General on MSNBC. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Raggytash Date: 02 Sep 25 - 02:11 PM "The National Guard pay is 11 dollars a day but they are deployed for 29 days at a time since 30 days would entitle them to housing assistance for their families. They can't be happy about that." The facts:- https://usmilitary.com/national-guard-pay-chart/ |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Helen Date: 02 Sep 25 - 01:45 PM SRS & BWM, I echo your sentiments. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Sep 25 - 01:24 PM The worse his ailment, the better. And here's hoping it is painful also. He deserves every bit of any pain disease can visit on him. Do I sound bitter? He's making so many other people ill, and killing many, it's the least that can happen in return. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 02 Sep 25 - 01:07 PM The Orange, Lying Rapist has gone very quiet this past week or two. Rumours here are that he’s suffering health problems. Nothing trivial and insignificant, I hope… |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 02 Sep 25 - 08:13 AM America does not have a hot civil war, but it is full of domestic terrorism. There is no doubt that Trump is winning the cyber civil war with the most extreme voices on X and Truth Social. This is a forum for folk music, but there are only three Americans who consistently contribute to this thread and the anti fascist cause. The cyber civil war is lost and belongs to the rebels. C'est l'geurre. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 25 - 05:21 PM The National Guard pay is 11 dollars a day but they are deployed for 29 days at a time since 30 days would entitle them to housing assistance for their families. They can't be happy about that. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 31 Aug 25 - 06:21 PM Donald Trump is taking over the US Federal Reserve and financial markets have missed the point Financial markets are missing the point about Donald Trump's takeover of the Federal Reserve. It's not really about getting interest rates down or even just about the Fed. America is in the midst of an authoritarian revolution with global implications, especially for dependent allies like Australia. Last week, Trump announced that he was removing Lisa Cook, who is one of the seven governors of the US central bank, the Federal Reserve. The reason: "for cause", based on an unproven allegation of fraud in mortgage applications while she was a professor. Markets did not freak out, surprising analysts everywhere, even after Trump followed up by telling a televised cabinet meeting that: "We'll have a majority [on the FOMC — the Fed's Federal Open Market Committee] very shortly. Once we have a majority, housing is going to swing, and it's going to be great. People are paying too high an interest rate. (read on) |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 31 Aug 25 - 08:41 AM Those who found him funny did not see his destructive side, and those who saw him as destructive did not find him amusing. Instead, some found him pathological. Trump is so changeable that he ends up seeming like he is politically incorrect for racists. He may even legalize pot. Any issue unrelated to misogyny and race is open for him to exploit. Maybe the Epstein issue and tariffs will erode some of his MAGA loyalty. Since Obama got a peace prize, he wants one now. While he wants to rule the world he is still Putin's bitch. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 31 Aug 25 - 06:58 AM The sense of humor of Donald Trump is magnificent compared to Stephen Miller. Donald no longer attends the National Press Club Dinner, where they usually have Schmucky the clown do a comedy routine. But he does have Cabinet meetings which are as funny as hell when each member tries to outdo each other explaining why Trump is so magnificent. Like most comedians, Trump uses adult words like shit and fuck, but he doesn't use adult language in the strict sense. He calls it something like 'flow' or some crap. Trump can be so absurd that his defenders can claim he is joking while his critics call it catastrophic. It's true his jokes can kill in the long run. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Donuel Date: 30 Aug 25 - 06:22 PM The strategy behind this chaotic proliferation at breakneck speed is to make the masses feel powerless. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Aug 25 - 01:22 PM He turned up again, darnit. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 Aug 25 - 12:37 PM Where 8s he? Lots of speculation as he has been missing since Tuesday apparently. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Mr Red Date: 30 Aug 25 - 10:20 AM Here's a video from a very cogent YouTuber who sees something weird going on in the White House, this last week. From grammatically consistent tweets (!!!!) to lack of schedule (inc golf?) and a meeting with the vice who also has some weird interviews of his own. His take is something akin to a medical procedure with a few days recovery and "no reportage". Combat Veteran News |
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Subject: RE:oops ther goes another rubber tree From: Donuel Date: 30 Aug 25 - 07:45 AM The USDA is closed in MD. Oops there goes another agency. plop. The Appellate Court ruled most Trump tariffs illegal. RFK warns the country to not trust experts. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47 Pres /Thiel coup 3 From: Mr Red Date: 29 Aug 25 - 05:03 PM The four most vadalised stars on the Holywood Walk of Fame Short YouTube video and no prizes for guessing the most vandalised. |
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