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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Donuel Date: 27 Feb 26 - 07:58 AM The Trump/MAGA Playbook is far ahead of UK politics. Many of the more outspoken Nazis in American MAGA are posing the question, "What about all the good things Hitler did?" That was a joke 20 years ago, but today it is a Republican argument in the cloakroom. Free speech is not a pretty thing, but bad ideas are only diminished by good ideas. Inside Nazi MAGA, they say, "We had the best policy for the Jews, including Jesus. If he comes back, we'll kill him and his kind again". (big laugh among white Christian Nationalists) Trump and MAGA are using antisemitism as a false issue and employ it to extort Universities and individuals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 27 Feb 26 - 07:42 AM "The introduction of a system of PR is very much overdue." With PR the last General Election would not have given Labour a massive majority (or any majority at all) The top polling parties were: Labour 33.7% Conservative 23.7% Reform 14.3% Lib Dems 12.2% Greens 6.4% Scots Nationalist 2.5% No other party achieved more than 1% (although that may be because of the small number of seats they contested) Be careful of what you wish for. The two 'main' parties (until now) have kept power between them by virtue of not having PR. Their view may change as they start losing their influence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Feb 26 - 03:43 AM The introduction of a system of PR is very much overdue. Without it, there will be a Far-Right government elected by a minority in the very near future, possibly in at the next GE. Farage is operating straight out of the Trump/MAGA Playbook, and the Deformers will love it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 27 Feb 26 - 03:24 AM Gorton and Denton (North West England/ Greater Manchester) Labour from 1931 gone to the rising Green Party ~knee jerk job ~ Labour current record not liked and scandalous politics elsewhere ~ No positive measures and working classes and "shop keepers" picked on to fund the economy desperate measures too soon by Labour For me wrong focus ~ Farage and Co follow the far right policies and appeal to the disgruntled as of old Wrong path,but hey well done Greens a good alternative Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 Feb 26 - 03:19 AM Good news from Gorton and Denton. In my opinion anyway. Even though the left wing vote was split between Labour and Green the Greens still beat the odious Matt Goodwin of Deformed Ltd. He claims that the Greens won because of all the Islamists voting for their candidate. A female plumber... The even more obnoxious Farage has taken a leaf out of the Trump playbook and put it down to cheating. Starmer should sit back and take notice too as it is his move to the right and stopping the more left wing Andy Burnham from standing that cost him the seat. I said on here, ages ago, that I can see an alliance of the more progressive parties being a much better option for disillusioned voters than the extreme right. Hopefully this is a step in that direction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Donuel Date: 25 Feb 26 - 06:08 AM "Franky the Epstein affair is simply a media profiting from celebrity..." You must not have a daughter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 25 Feb 26 - 04:47 AM A fishing trip Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 23 Feb 26 - 02:13 PM Next up: Peter Mandelson* gets taken in for police questioning. The phrase "misconduct in public office" has been uttered. I'm starting to think: "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action." * We're so used to him being called "Mandy" that I had to look up his first name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 23 Feb 26 - 02:45 AM Franky the Epstein affair is simply a media profiting from celebrity change the focus and get back to fighting the Big T Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 19 Feb 26 - 02:44 AM Yep cannot be described in physical terms ~ words are needed and impartial judges ~we have in UK Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 18 Feb 26 - 01:41 PM > I think it is time UK Govt defined Terrorism and they > discovered the legal term "arms length" Maybe slightly shorter than the length of two eighteenth-century swords :-) ? Note to self: check back on threads more often. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Feb 26 - 06:51 AM Well, that answers the age old poser, "What's the point of rhetorical questions..?" :-D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 17 Feb 26 - 03:15 AM On reflection, Nigel, I believe your question was indeed rhetorical. According to the several resources I checked (my quote is from Wikipedia, but they are all in agreement), a rhetorical question is one which is asked to make a point or provoke discussion, rather than to receive an answer. So yes, unless you actually expected anyone here to have ‘inside information’ about decisions made in the highest echelons of the Labour Party your question is, AFAIC, rhetorical. And if that was your expectation, I’d have to say it was entirely unrealistic. From Wikipedia… ”A rhetorical question is a question asked for a purpose other than to obtain information.[1] In many cases it may be intended to start a discourse, as a means of displaying or emphasizing the speaker's or author's opinion on a topic. A simple example is the question "Can't you do anything right?" This question is not intended to request a response about the listener's competence but rather to insinuate their lack of it. In many instances, rhetorical questions serve as a literary device with the purpose of persuading an audience or making them reflect on a topic.” |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 17 Feb 26 - 02:33 AM I’ll give you that one, Nigel (although it does seem to be teetering on the brink of nit-picking, but I’ll let you off this one time). ;-) SRS - I hope, with every fibre of my being, that you’re correct and that they get it right next time. And I hope and pray that the rest of his gang of thieves go down with him too. Even better would be if he doesn’t last that long. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Feb 26 - 09:27 PM BWM, the mistake was in appointing Merrick Garland as the Attorney General. He was so busy trying to not look political that he didn't do his job, and the delay was a big factor in Trump's being able to fight off the charges. Won't make that mistake again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 16 Feb 26 - 08:52 PM If 'none of us has access to the answer' then it is hardly a rhetorical question. The 'rhetorical question' is normally taken as being one where the answer is so obvious that the question is just another way of making the point. e.g. "Does the Pope wear a pointy hat?" "Do bears shit in the woods?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Feb 26 - 06:10 PM Presumably that’s a rhetorical question, Nigel, as I doubt any of us here have access to that kind of information. Or perhaps you do…?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 16 Feb 26 - 12:44 PM "Sir Keir has reinstated the May 2026 Council Elections" According to the BBC radio news, this is because they've received legal advice that the delay was illegal. Is this new advice, with the case due to be going to court later this week? Or is it advice the Labour Party already had, but thought they could get away with if no one questioned it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 16 Feb 26 - 12:38 PM Sir Keir has reinstated the May 2026 Council Elections ~ correct decision imv Originally cancelled as Local Govt is due for a reorganisation and new Local Govt compositions were expected and deemed a waste of money! Well new position is the elections are to go ahead ~ correct in my view Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Feb 26 - 08:12 AM ”I am hoping that cooler heads prevail in the rest of the world and once we evict and imprison Trump we can repair a lot of the damage.” Good luck with that, SRS. Didn’t go well last time did it? If there was any chance of him going to jail, he would already be there. He will never to to jail - either he will die first or, like last time, his team’s legal gymnastics will prevent him serving a term. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 16 Feb 26 - 02:35 AM Age is not on any bodies side and of course what might follow the Big T is a cause for concern Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Feb 26 - 08:14 PM Ray, I am hoping that cooler heads prevail in the rest of the world and once we evict and imprison Trump we can repair a lot of the damage. I wonder how things are going at The Hague? He could make a stop there for crimes against humanity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 15 Feb 26 - 02:16 AM So MAGA is a movement to benefit USA and Big T's administration ~but e wins who loses? We all do! as I said before EU and UK MUST imv stand alone ~ closer links to US are a risky business and yes I know they are/could be good ~ but closer EU links and make build and create your own whatever is even safer ~ "Hard Times come again no more" too late the Tax man cometh Big T wants world domination and will not stop ~ time he stopped to think that what he wants now is fraught with problems Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 14 Feb 26 - 08:29 AM IMV UK does not want or need to have closer ties with The BIG T,s USA specifically on drugs ~ he is far too handy with his illegal tariffs Big T has managed to mobilise EU and UK to look seriously at increasing Arms and now conscription, but that conscripted men/women would be a different breed ~ technology as well armed personnel ~ to fend off Putin and Russian threat ~ but a fair chance to balance the threat from Trump!! maybe o dear Trump clearly wishes to redraw the world country map using threats and tariff sanctions so that drugs are no longer a means to raise big money ~Cuba is in crisis and Venezuela and Colombia ~ the whole of South America will be a humanitarian disaster area ~ so maybe Trump thinks easy meat for take over by US ~ well WHAT WILL BE LEFT?? Crackers ~ who me? Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Raggytash Date: 13 Feb 26 - 06:42 PM Are we REALLY surprised that Keir Starmer is being vilified by the media! Before him Jeremy Corbin was treated atrociously by the media. Before him Ed Milliband was similarly treated. Before that it was Harriet Harmen. Before that it was Gordon Brown. Anyone noticing a pattern? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Rain Dog Date: 13 Feb 26 - 02:43 PM 'Just over 18 months ago the Labour party were elected to govern the country with a massive majority.' A majority of seats but not votes. 'How on earth have they managed to get so unpopular in that short space of time?' Were they ever popular. A turnout of 59.7 per cent and they got a share of 33.7 per cent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 13 Feb 26 - 06:28 AM I think it is time UK Govt defined Terrorism and they discovered the legal term "arms length" see above ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Case regarding P A has just found that the interpretation as a Terrorist Group when many ordinary and many elderly have protested about Gaza situation is flawed and they found themselves jailed Much more to come on this on appeal no doubt Govt in no hurry and fudge and fiddle comes to mind ~ mean while Freedom of speech will be on hold very likely which is what the Govt really want ~ to not have complete rethink takes into very difficult territory ~I will say no more Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 12 Feb 26 - 06:48 AM Just over 18 months ago the Labour party were elected to govern the country with a massive majority. They had 14 years of mis-management to turn round so no-one expected themn to bring the country back from the edge quickly and, to be fair, I think they have managed to recover some lost ground. But... How on earth have they managed to get so unpopular in that short space of time? Of course the right wing press have a lot to answer for but Starmer and co have been handing them ammunition on a plate! I have said before that I am no Starmer fan but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has failed to earn my trust completely but, sadly, ousting him at this stage will, I believe, shred the party even further. The answer? I dunno. Maybe PR as many have said before. Maybe, as I have suggested, remove party politics and vote for the person who will do best for the country rather than go with the tribal colours. Hold MPs accountable for their manifesto promises and get rid of those who fail to keep them. Don't let any MPs have more than 2 terms in office and stop then having other jobs. Whatever happens, it needs to be soon! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 12 Feb 26 - 02:59 AM I think it is time UK Govt defined Terrorism and they discovered the legal term "arms length" Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 10 Feb 26 - 10:28 AM Join the club Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Doug Chadwick Date: 10 Feb 26 - 05:10 AM Each time I try to open a link leading to a page on X, I am told that my account has been suspended, even though I have never had an X account and have never tried to post anything on X. I don't know what I have done to deserve this 'honour'. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 10 Feb 26 - 04:29 AM Thanx Dick Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: The Sandman Date: 10 Feb 26 - 03:46 AM Ray, consider it a badge of honour |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 10 Feb 26 - 02:43 AM I am still being censored on twitter/X ad I am frozen out of fb probably permanently Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: r.padgett Date: 10 Feb 26 - 02:32 AM Yesterday ( Monday) was the crunch day for Sir Keir who gathered 42 Labour Ministers to No 10 and was able to gather their ongoing support to continue as PM ~ The Scottish leader had already spoken against presumably regarding Scottish matters New team to be established following sackings Royalty suffering some flak regarding Andrew Maxwell pleading 5th amendment and saying nowt Coming local elections will no doubt reflect the assault in financial terms ~ Welfare benefits claw back ~ freezing of tax free pay limits ~ measures targeted at low pay ~ dreadful move on what is a "terrorist" Free Speech in danger ~ we shall see Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 09 Feb 26 - 06:33 AM Better odds available on SkyBet Conservatives 275:1 (same for Lib Dems) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: The Sandman Date: 09 Feb 26 - 03:41 AM The green party are clear favourites to win gorton bye , conservatives are 250 to one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 06 Feb 26 - 03:12 PM That well-known and thoroughly-discredited last resort of the habitual nit-picker - when you have no credible answer to your opponent’s argument, attack his use of language and/or spelling. If you read my response you will see that I made clear that 'I do not agree with his assertions.' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 06 Feb 26 - 12:20 PM That well-known and thoroughly-discredited last resort of the habitual nit-picker - when you have no credible answer to your opponent’s argument, attack his use of language and/or spelling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 06 Feb 26 - 07:46 AM I'm guessing that you meant: I don't think you will (find) many in the ranks of Labour supporters who would try and justify the actions of the individuals you mention Nigel. However when similar accusations And while I can make the effort to try to understand what you mean, I don't agree with your assertions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Raggytash Date: 06 Feb 26 - 06:38 AM Oh Nigel, I'm sure you understand my post all too well. I fear you are being deliberately obtuse so you may avoid the truth of what I posted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: The Sandman Date: 06 Feb 26 - 03:13 AM When does a scrambled egg finish and and an omelette begin? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 05 Feb 26 - 07:53 PM I don't think you will many in the ranks of Labour supporters who would try and justify the actions of the individuals you mention Nigel. However when similar accusations where levelled at members of conservative governments hordes of you fellow conservatives sought to justify their actions. I'm not sure I follow your meaning (English language?) However, Backwoodsman agrees with you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 05 Feb 26 - 12:31 PM ”I don't think you will many in the ranks of Labour supporters who would try and justify the actions of the individuals you mention Nigel. However when similar accusations were levelled at members of conservative governments hordes of you fellow conservatives sought to justify their actions.” Yep, precisely my point, Raggy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Raggytash Date: 05 Feb 26 - 11:11 AM "Mine is not 'just my opinion'. Rachel Reeves has been clearly shown to have lied on her c.v. and in her electoral statements. Ex-Deputy leader, Rayner was avoiding tax, by lying. Starmer assured Parliament that due process had been followed in appointing Mandelson (although he now says that during that due process he was happy to rely on lies from Mandelson). Mandelson? Well, even the 'current' PM says he's a liar . . ." I don't think you will many in the ranks of Labour supporters who would try and justify the actions of the individuals you mention Nigel. However when similar accusations where levelled at members of conservative governments hordes of you fellow conservatives sought to justify their actions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 05 Feb 26 - 11:03 AM . . .and should not be able to find a PM naïve enough to accept his lies at face value. Very true, Nigel. If naivete is what it was. Spin doctors are very useful until they get found out. I suspect Mandleson looked like the ideal ambassador for Trump's USA. In either case it was bad judgement on Starmer's part but he was not the first and will not be the last to fall for their own spin! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Backwoodsman Date: 05 Feb 26 - 10:53 AM Nigel, my comment was intended to be light-hearted - maybe you need to grow a SoH? ;-) A supporter of the Tories (and, if my suspicionss are correct, Reform UK Ltd, the limited company pretending to be a political party) should really hold back from trying to take the high ground over politicians' lies - the lies put about by your (two?) parties are well-documented and are legion. Glass-houses, stones, etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 05 Feb 26 - 10:34 AM Anyone who can make a living from turning facts on their heads and creating stories from the flimsiest of sources should never have been in such a position of power in the first place . . .and should not be able to find a PM naïve enough to accept his lies at face value. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 05 Feb 26 - 09:33 AM Your opinion, Nigel. And, as we both know, opinions are like arse-holes - everybody has one! Just as the comment I replied to was just your opinion. But I avoid unnecessary crudities. Mine is not 'just my opinion'. Rachel Reeves has been clearly shown to have lied on her c.v. and in her electoral statements. Ex-Deputy leader, Rayner was avoiding tax, by lying. Starmer assured Parliament that due process had been followed in appointing Mandelson (although he now says that during that due process he was happy to rely on lies from Mandelson). Mandelson? Well, even the 'current' PM says he's a liar . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 05 Feb 26 - 09:31 AM Not just much of the Labour party, Nigel. Sadly, many politicians are of the same ilk nowadays. I am not sure where it all started but Blair wond with a massive populist manufesto and it has got steadily worse since. I think BWM has mentioned the ultimate snake oil salesman though, although I am not sure if Farage learned from Johnson or vice-versa. As to Mandleson, Well, he was one of the first people to whom the term spin doctor was applied. Anyone who can make a living from turning facts on their heads and creating stories from the flimsiest of sources should never have been in such a position of power in the first place. Dominic Cummins next??? |
