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Origins: Hambone

Night Owl 26 Jan 00 - 03:21 AM
Night Owl 26 Jan 00 - 03:27 AM
Amos 26 Jan 00 - 06:06 PM
Stewie 26 Jan 00 - 07:39 PM
Amos 26 Jan 00 - 08:17 PM
Bill in Alabama 26 Jan 00 - 08:41 PM
harpgirl 05 Jun 05 - 11:40 AM
Joe Offer 07 Mar 12 - 07:55 PM
GUEST,is Hambone publid domain? 08 Mar 12 - 03:04 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 08 Mar 12 - 05:18 PM
GUEST 19 May 12 - 08:23 AM
Stewie 19 May 12 - 09:23 PM
Bobert 19 May 12 - 10:12 PM
Amos 20 May 12 - 02:43 AM
GUEST,leeneia 20 May 12 - 08:37 AM
GMGough 20 May 12 - 11:19 AM
Tug the Cox 20 May 12 - 11:58 AM
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Subject: Lyrics Req. Hambone
From: Night Owl
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 03:21 AM

This song has been in my head all week and WON'T leave until I get it right!!!! Think I'm missing lines, verses. Anyone know its origins....who wrote..performed...recorded it and when?? I remember and can do the "body drumming" ok....not sure if the lyrics I remember so far are accurate either. Any corrections/additional info is GREATLY appreciated!!! What I have so far is:

Hambone, hambone, have you heard
Momma's gonna buy you a mockingbird
and if that mockingbird don't shine
Momma's gonna buy you a bottle of wine
and if that bottle of wine gets broke
momma's gonna buy you a nanny goat
and if that nanny goat runs away
momma's gonna slap your boom-te-yea
hambone, hambone

Seems to me the song is much longer...and YES...I did check the DT...and Forum...found reference to "Willie Hambone Newbern" wondering if he's the author????????


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Subject: RE: Lyrics Req. Hambone
From: Night Owl
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 03:27 AM

just checked my posting and realized that mockingbirds don't "shine"....they sing.....remembered "if the mockingbird don't sing.....momma's gonna buy you a diamond ring", after which I'm lost.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics Req. Hambone
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 06:06 PM

These words are straightly germane to "Hush Little Baby", which Frank Warner and dozens of others used to sing.

Hush little baby, don't say a word
Momma's gonna buy you a mockingbird.
An' if that mockingbird don't sing
Momma's gonna buy you a diamond ring

And if that diamond ring turn brass
Momma's gonna buy you a looking glass
And if that looking glass done broke
Momma's gonna buy you a billy goat

And if that billy goat won't pull
Momma's gonna buy you a cart and a bull
And if that cart and bull break down
You'll still be the prettiest little baby in town!

Used to hear it from my mother, and was foolish enough to believe her, too! But the only song of Hambone I ever heard was a sort of Black Bottom jive couplet a friend from Tallahassee used to perform that went:

Hambone, Hambone, where ya been?
Down to the river, an' I'm goin' agin!

Which suggests things better left to the imagination.

Amos


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Subject: RE: Lyrics Req. Hambone
From: Stewie
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 07:39 PM

There's a version recorded on a lovely CD: Various Artists 'Georgia Folk: A Sampler of Traditional Sounds' Global Village Music CD 03. It is performed by Ray Favors - with body patting, mouth popping etc - and was recorded by Dave Evans in 1970.

HAMBONE

Hambone, hambone have you heard
Papa gonna buy me a mockingbird
If that mockingbird don't sing
Papa gonna buy me a diamond ring
If that diamond ring don't shine
Papa gonna buy me a nanny goat
It that nanny goat don't rate
Papa gonna whup my boom-de-yay
Hambone!

Hambone, hambone where you aye (?)
In the chicken house cookin' rye
Hambone, hambone where you bin
Round the world and I'm goin' agin
Hambone!


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Subject: RE: Lyrics Req. Hambone
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 08:17 PM

That does it nicely, Stewie -- I heard in the early 60's complete with the buttslap rhythm-making! This ties the two threads together perfectly in my wrinkled mind :>). 'Mazin the things a MudCat can learn!

Amos


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Subject: RE: Lyrics Req. Hambone
From: Bill in Alabama
Date: 26 Jan 00 - 08:41 PM

I was taught to hambone by friends who worked as "delivery boys" for a small neighborhood grocery store in Chattanooga, where you could telephone in your grocery list and have the goods delivered to your back door. The verses floated in from many other songs, I'm sure. A couple that I recall were "Hambone, Hambone, where ya been? Around the world and I a-goin' again. What you gonna do when you get back? I'm gonna take a little walk down the railroad track." Back in the 'fifties, Bo Diddely put the hambone rhythm to the guitar, replaced the name Hambone with his own name, and became a rock & roll icon.


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Subject: RE: Lyrics Req. Hambone
From: harpgirl
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 11:40 AM

Here's another

Hambone, hambone, pat him on the shoulder,
If you get a pretty girl, I'll show you how to hold her.
Hambone, hambone, where have you been?
All round the world and back again.

Hambone hambone, what did you do?
I got a train and I fairly flew.
Hambone hambone, where did you go?
I hopped up to Miss Lucy's door.

I asked Miss Lucy would she marry me.
(In falsetto) "Well I don't care if Papa don't care!"
First come in was Mr. Snake,
He crawled all over the wedding cake.
Next walked in was Mister Tick
He ate so much that it made him sick.
Next walked in was Mister Coon
We asked him to sing us a wedding tune
Now hambone....
Now hambone...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Hambone
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Mar 12 - 07:55 PM

Click here for a terrific YouTube recording of "Hambone" by Ed Huey, performing the Hambone at Folk School of Chattanooga.

I received this e-mail today. Can anybody help?
    Hi Joe,

    I am trying to verify that the song "Hambone" is public domain.   Red Saunders did record a version of it in 1952 and it may be copyrighted.

    Wayne Erbsen in   Front Porch Songs, jokes, & Stories lists it and he told me by e-mail the songs are traditional --but there have been some questions about one or two songs he listed.
    He reports that it goes back to slavery days when slaves used their bodies for instruments, and the results were called "Patting Juba" or "Hambone."    He says his version is a variation of the British Nursery Song, "Hush Little Baby, Don't Say and Word" and was collected from Frank A. Hall.
    Wikipedia has similar information.

    I want to use the song in a play I am writing and would be able to create some original lyrics.

    Thanks for your help.


It's clear the song has traditional roots, but I'll betcha there are lots of copyrighted versions.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hambone
From: GUEST,is Hambone publid domain?
Date: 08 Mar 12 - 03:04 PM

Is the song "Hambone" public domain?    Red Saunders did a recording of it about 1952 but it apparently goes back much further.   One source indicates it was pre-civil war, when slaves did not have musical instruments but used their own bodies.   I want to use it in a play and would be glad to make up original lyrics. Mr. Ludy Wilkie
ludy@shelby.net


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hambone
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Mar 12 - 05:18 PM

Hambone, as a term, was applied to itinerant, unpaid actors in the 1890s (quote from 1895 in Lighter*).

Application of the term to juba patting or juba dancers (body music)seems to be fairly recent; the earliest quote* in 1921.

Articles on the net and in literature put the term as equivalent to juba patting, and then mention the antiquity of body music, but use of the term for the action-song has not been traced back before the quotes in Lighter.
There seems to have been a transference of the term from the itinerant actor to juba patting or body music, perhaps in the 1930s.

*Lighter, Historical Dictionary of American Slang.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hambone
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 12 - 08:23 AM

ham bone ham bone where you been? down the road and up again.
ham bone, ham bone what did you see?
i saw a little girl looking at me.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hambone
From: Stewie
Date: 19 May 12 - 09:23 PM

This clip is worth a look: Ron Thomason - Hambone. There are other clips available.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hambone
From: Bobert
Date: 19 May 12 - 10:12 PM

Hambone is a generic term to playing one's body, or with spoons or bones (curved pieces of wood)... Yeah, there is the song, as well but...

... I've known at least 3 players, all called "Hmabone" who have benn body percussionists...

But great song, too... Played it hundreds of times in the 70s with my band...

B~


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hambone
From: Amos
Date: 20 May 12 - 02:43 AM

The general pattern of Hambones--the rhythm and chant style--and probably the refrain "where you been? ROund the world an I m going again" are probably public domain. Specific arrangements may be copyrighted but the generic patterns have been around for longer than Methuselah, I think, and can't be. YYMV, IANAL and all that.


A


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hambone
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 20 May 12 - 08:37 AM

Thanks, Joe and Stewie, for the excellent links!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hambone
From: GMGough
Date: 20 May 12 - 11:19 AM

On a 1962 Cameo recording "Camp Favorites" by The Campers,
There is a recording of Hambone (traditional) Wyncote Music ASCAP

The first verse is:

you can have your apples
your peaches and your pears
your cherries growing on the cherry tree
but bless your heart my honey
of all the things there be
that watermelon is the fruit for me

oh hambone is good
chicken is sweet
possum meat is very very fine (ain't it so)
but give me, oh give me I really wish you would
some of that watermelon hanging on the vine


Banjo player Dick Weissman is the only musician given credit on the sleeve. The recording was made by a chorus of un-named singers and musicians. The recording has become historically interesting because Phil Ochs' voice can be distinguished occasionally in the chorus.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hambone
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 20 May 12 - 11:58 AM

I remember a documentary on the late comedian Arthur haynes, who described part of his routine as hambone.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hambone
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 15 - 11:52 PM

I remember from college in 1960:

Hambone Hambone where you been?

Down to the corner to get a little gin

Watcha goin to go when you get back?

Take me a walk on the railroad track.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hambone
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 12 Jun 15 - 12:15 PM

"oh hambone is good
chicken is sweet
possum meat is very very fine (ain't it so)
but give me, oh give me I really wish you would
some of that watermelon hanging on the vine"

"The Watermelon Smiling On The Vine," Thomas P. Westendorf, 1882, is different from the patting song.


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