Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 13 Jan 26 - 01:00 PM

And the other irony of his quest for the Peace Prize while killing people and starting wars. And all his other actions in his whole life including ensuring poverty and suffering for ordinary (i.e. not rich) people in the rest of the world and his own home country, abusing and denigrating women, encouraging suffering and death in relation to health e.g. his actions during COVID, his encouragement and protection of RFK Jr and his whacko claims, and his me-me-me attitude to everything.


Regarding the BBC seeking to have Donald Trump's $15b defamation lawsuit dismissed, thanks Sandra for posting those two extra bits from the article. I was going to do that but you beat me to it.

I still have a giggle that if he tries to claim financial damage he would have to produce his financial records to prove it. He has managed to be elected twice and wriggle out of showing his true financial colours to this point so the chances of him doing that now for relatively minor legal case are Buckleys and none*.

* Aussie saying: One chance in a million or no chance at all.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jan 26 - 11:50 AM

The FUOB and his henchmen support and protect ICE agents who murder protesters in the US whilst, at the same time, he encourages protest in Iran and threatens military action if the Iran regime suppresses protest.

He doesn’t get ‘irony’, does he?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jan 26 - 11:36 AM

”I assume your questions were actual and not rhetorical.”

It would help conversation here to move smoothly if you made it clear whom you are addressing. If you’re replying to me, then yes, my questions are actual, not rhetorical.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 26 - 10:04 AM

Greenlanders are a bunch of terrorist fishermen as overheard by Hegseth at the bar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS0wFiWpU4U

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 26 - 09:50 AM

Trump loses 2/3 of his lawsuits. He learned to be litigious in NYC.

The independent Department of Justice is no longer independent.
He has fired the best, and the most ethical have quit on their own.
Now it is run by Pam Bondi, who only knows how to belittle, attempt to intimidate, and follow Trump's orders of lawfare.
The US Treasury supports the administration through taxation.

I assume your questions were actual and not rhetorical.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 13 Jan 26 - 09:44 AM

I thought this video of The Greenland defense front was well done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS0wFiWpU4U need to copy and paste the link though

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 26 - 09:28 AM

Trump is a caged animal that obeys no laws.

The Epstein files are still not released despite the law that demanded release weeks ago. Trump is even more dangerous as a lame duck idiot wild animal.

Peanut's Lucy provided inexpensive psychiatric advice.
I believe she would find that Donald has a great many repressed memories of abuse from his KKK father. His older brother did not repress many of the same abuses and sought alcohol to help repress them.

For Donald those repressed memories of the abuse and other people's reaction to the hate he was taught created a reservoir of a need of retribution. His life's foundation is built upon sand that makes this late regressive time of his life collapse into an abyss of hate and revenge.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jan 26 - 06:46 AM

Bernie Sanders’ comment on Trump suing Jerome Powell.

Has there ever been a POTUS so litigacious as the Fat, Ugly, Orange Baboon? He seems to sue anyone and everyone who disagrees with him. How many of these actions ever actually make it to court, and how many does the FUOB win?

More importantly, where does the money come from to pay for all this litigation?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Jan 26 - 06:21 AM

an excellent move!

2 extracts from Helen's article - ... In a filing late on Monday, local time, the broadcaster argued that the court in Florida lacked personal jurisdiction in the case because it did not broadcast the programme in Florida, and that the president could not prove damages because he was re-elected after it aired ...

... "As Plaintiff failed to plead actual damages, claiming only vague 'harm to his professional and occupational interests,' his claim fails," the BBC filing stated. ...

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Aethelric
Date: 13 Jan 26 - 05:37 AM

I see Greenland is changing it's name to Epsteinland.
Then Trump will stop talking about it.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 13 Jan 26 - 04:50 AM

The lawsuit actions or reactions are not just in the US:

BBC seeks to have Donald Trump's $15b defamation lawsuit dismissed

"In short: The BBC is seeking to have Donald Trump's defamation lawsuit against the broadcaster — filed in the United States — dismissed.

"Mr Trump's lawsuit alleges the BBC violated a Florida law over its editing of a speech he gave in 2021 before the storming of the US Capitol.

"The BBC's dismissal motion in court says the US president could not plausibly allege that the documentary edit was published with 'actual malice'."

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 26 - 11:13 PM

Bad day for the KING. Federal courts have ruled against him about 6 times, rejecting nearly a quarter of a trillion in cuts for the poor in blue states. Demonstrations against his Gestapo are coast to coast
Even the elites and oligarchs are against his criminal investigation of the Fed chair.

On the plus side, he is still the self-proclaimed ruler of a Latin American country.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jan 26 - 06:41 PM

MaJoC, does this help? Amazon link to the book.

Ironic that Trump is threatening an invasion of Iran if they don't stop harming their protestors. Pot calls Kettle black.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 26 - 06:08 PM

There is a war on Americans by this authoritarian regime.
It is the beginning of the lethality that fascists feel pride and power in their stranglehold of authority. They want us to be normalized to the murder yet frightened to protest.

There are current debates that claim protestors are domestic terrorists. You know how Bush treated terrorists. Those concentration camps were outside the US border. Now they are in many States.
What will the youngest kids learn and react to the lawless lies and evil committed by the President?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 26 - 04:49 PM

Himmler was in charge of the SS. Steven Miller is ACTUALLY in charge of our Gestapo, known as ICE. With his new reading glasses, he even looks like a spitting image of Himmler.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 12 Jan 26 - 03:23 PM

I'd add Nixon to the list of smart presidents, Donuel; he was at least smart enough to know when the game was up. In retirement, I understand, he was valued enough to be consulted by his successors, who viewed him as a resource on foreign-policy matters.

Thanks for that author and title, Stilly. Sadly, when I tried to follow that link, my browser took one look and said "*bletch*", and that were that; I remember reading something similar in the last couple of weeks, but it had *gawn* before I could quote it here. Did the sequence end with "dumb and celebrated", perchance?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 26 - 12:01 PM

Politicians who are dumb are favored by the ruling banking families and the good ol boys oligarchic families. It is an aberration if they are populist and smart like Lincoln, Obama, or Mamdani.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jan 26 - 11:48 AM

A lack of intelligence isn't an indicator of inability to get elected. (To serve effectively in office is an entirely different question: See Ronald Reagan, both Bushes, and Dan Quayle, topped off with Trump twice.) Being smart and efficient seems to be a liability when it's the delivery of one-liners that gets people elected. (I'm reading Andy Borowitz's Profiles in Ignorance: How America's Politicians Got Dumb and Dumber - when writing history instead of satire he still pulls no punches.)

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 26 - 11:36 AM

He went on to say, "I'm not out to hurt people.
Tell that to the boaters and the 80 who died in the kidnapping mission. Tell that to the million fired or, business wrecked by tariffs or, institutions milked by extortion or, those wrecked by lawsuits.

The collection of billionaires at his inauguration has not all profited as promised.

The fascist 2025 project expects to rule ad infinitum.
Mr. anti-charisma JD Vance is expected to lead their charge.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 12 Jan 26 - 07:32 AM

US is in state of Civil War ~ a rogue President who does not think the law applies to him and others that do

Taking too much on is bound to end in others taking advantage

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 26 - 05:06 AM

The world may need a collective deep breath.
The Donald says he does not need International Law; he only needs his own morality.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 12 Jan 26 - 04:22 AM

MAGA ~ but this should not imply mercenaries and breaking the law of the land now should it?

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Jan 26 - 03:18 AM

Bob Dylan has offered to cover her funeral expenses, well done Bob

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 11 Jan 26 - 05:22 PM

Law officers in the United States can shoot someone only to save life, prevent serious bodily injury, or stop a fleeing, armed, violent individual who is likely to kill or injure someone if he escapes.

All members of Congress presumbably know this.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Jan 26 - 12:02 PM

They are 600% WRONG (see what I did there?). But the MAGATs will fall for the lie of course.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 26 - 10:11 AM

Two MAGA Congressmen are arguing that obstruction of police allows summary execution.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 11 Jan 26 - 08:57 AM

Of *course* he's after the Venezuelan oil. It's just like him: heavy crude.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 26 - 07:21 AM

One presidential pardon makes the laws governing police moot.

When Donald is told of FREE money from tariffs, free luxury 747 or FREE oil he only sees the word FREE and not the costs.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 11 Jan 26 - 03:26 AM

It seems the major Oil companies that were invited to invest in Venezuela declined the invitation

Yep keep it up

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 04:22 PM

I just read an ABC (Oz) News article by an analytical journalist who says that the Venezuelan oil is not likely to be as lucrative as expected, so probably not worth the whole invasion exercise.

Has Trump landed a dud with his Venezuelan oil play?

By chief business correspondent Ian Verrender

My summary: The price of oil has plummeted, oil is less likely to be needed to the same extent as now when renewable power becomes more available and less oil based fuel is used for vehicles, and the oil from Venezuela needs a lot more processing than oil from most other areas so its price is usually lower to account for the extra processing costs.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 04:04 PM

Good reality-based summary:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/3-unanswered-questions-day-fatal-234725271.html

The social-media comments are "interesting" in a variety of ways.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 02:15 PM

Look on the bright side, BWM. The Police Officer who murdered George Floyd just up the road from Ms Good's murder was convicted and is still serving his sentence. It took a while for the case to be finalised but the right decision was made.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 01:22 PM

SRS, in my post of 08 Jan 26 - 04:07 PM I linked to the DOJ Policy on Use of Lethal Force, which confirms the above. Here it is again, for those who missed it…

DOJ Policy on Use of Lethal Force

It’s perfectly clear from your piece and my link that the ICE officer broke all the rules, and must therefore be guilty of at least ‘Unlawful Killing’ (or whatever the equivalent US offence is), or probably Manslaughter, possibly even Murder.

Why on earth does anyone ignore the evidence of their own eyes and believe the Fat, Ugly, Orange Baboon and his fellow liars?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Helen
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 12:47 PM

Thanks heaps, SRS. Those informed comments from an attorney show a ray of hope for the prospect of a possibly successful state case against the ICE officer.

The comments are very useful about previous cases where an officer stepped in front of a vehicle and claimed to have used lethal force because their own life was threatened.

A ray of hope.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 12:00 PM

Going to a march today, making the sign now (something on both sides - don't waste that real estate!)

Here is a long post (I haven't tracked it all of the way back to the first post, the credit from a journalist friend says "from a person on a 'Veterans Against Trump FB page'":

There seems to be a lot of Keyboard attorneys online today. So, as an actual attorney, I'd like to cite actual law. The ICE officer in MN violated both protocol and case law. 1) officers are not allowed to fire into a moving vehicle 2) lethal force is not allowed to prevent someone from fleeing 3) case law is clear, an officer cannot intentionally place himself in front of a vehicle and then allege self defense At best, this officer acted with a reckless disregard for public safety and is guilty of negligent homicide. Federal agents do not have blanket immunity from state laws or criminal prosecution. They can be prosecuted by state authorities for violating state laws if their actions were unauthorized, unlawful, or unreasonable, even if they were on duty.

The concept governing this is called Supremacy Clause immunity. Federal agents are generally immune from state prosecution only if their actions were:

Authorized under federal law; and "Necessary and proper" to fulfill their federal duties.
If a federal agent is charged in state court, they can petition to have their case "removed" to federal court. In federal court, the judge would then determine whether the agent's actions met the "necessary and proper" standard. If the court finds the agent was acting within the reasonable confines of their duties, the state charges will be dismissed. If not, the state prosecution can proceed in federal court, applying state substantive law. It is unlikely any judge would find his behavior necessary and reasonable. The mere fact that no other officer present unholstered their weapon and appear shocked he fired towards them reinforces that fact.

Estate of Starks v. Enyart, 5 F.3d 230 (7th Cir. 1993)
Seventh Circuit – foundational caseFacts:
Officer stepped in front of a slowly moving vehicle and then shot the driver, claiming fear for his life.

Holding (paraphrased):
“An officer may not unreasonably create a physically threatening situation and then use deadly force to escape it.”
Adams v. Speers, 473 F.3d 989 (9th Cir. 2007) Ninth Circuit
Facts:
Officer jumped in front of a vehicle during a stop and then fired.

Holding:
An officer cannot provoke a confrontation and then rely on the danger they created to justify deadly force.
Key language:
The court emphasized that reasonableness includes the officer’s own tactical decisions leading up to the shooting.
Thompson v. Hubbard, 257 F.3d 896 (8th Cir. 2001)
Eighth Circuit
Key point:
The court rejected summary judgment for officers where evidence showed the officer moved into the vehicle’s path, creating the perceived threat.
Abraham v. Raso, 183 F.3d 279 (3d Cir. 1999)
Third Circuit
Facts:
Off-duty officer shot a fleeing driver.

Holding:
The court stressed that pre-seizure conduct matters and that officers cannot rely solely on the “split second” framing if their own actions escalated the situation.
Kirby v. Duva, 530 F.3d 475 (6th Cir. 2008)

Holding:
*Deadly force may be unconstitutional where:
*The officer fired into a moving vehicle
*The officer could have stepped aside
*The threat was self-created
The Sixth Circuit explicitly rejected the idea that a moving car automatically justifies gunfire.
Adams v. Speers, 473 F.3d 989 (9th Cir. 2007)

Holding:
An officer may not intentionally place himself in danger and then use deadly force to neutralize the danger he created — including firing into a vehicle.
The Ninth Circuit emphasized tactical disengagement as the constitutional expectation.
Training & Policy Alignment (Courts Care About This)
Many courts note that modern police training instructs:
*Do not fire into moving vehicles
*Do not use deadly force to stop a fleeing car
*Disengage and contain instead
Courts treat violations of training as evidence of unreasonableness, even if not dispositive.

I've tried to give it line breaks so it is readable, but may have broken his paragraphs of related content in the cases described.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 08:13 AM

Depending upon what maniac you ask
its as though it is a fact that

Trump is a transforming god
like Zeus with morals of a dog

Or the second coming who must die
so we can eat pie in the sky

It should best end in cremation
so relic hunters won't face damnation

All that will eventually be left
are Trading cards subject to theft.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 02:40 AM

I an getting worried by the stubborn warmonger elected by US who feels that US must come first in every move ~ he has never learnt that his path can only ever have one out come ~ where's the Anderson shelter ~ o that isn't much good now is it

Wake up to this maniac

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 10 Jan 26 - 02:14 AM

Time will tell so long as no one pushes the button first

US is in a mess looking towards a police state and world domination to acquire by force ALL the mineral deposits possible

This is NOT how it is supposed to work and FREE countries need to express that thought

Bullies bread bullies and rattling the cages of the other super powers is not a good idea

Ray

Subject: RE: to the tune thats entertainment.
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 04:50 PM

A clown with his pants all on fire
Or the act that's a nightmare of death
Or the scene where the villain is mean
That's execution!

The lights on the lady's car
Or the cop with the gun by his side
Or the ICE where they give it there all
That's execution!

The plot can be hot, simply full of trauma
Or a guy killed by tariffs who used to be a farmer
It could be Oedipus Rex
Where a chap kills his father and causes lots of bother

The clerk who is thrown out of work
By the boss who is thrown for a loss
By the skirt who is doing him dirt
The world is a stage; the stage is a world of entertainment!

It might be a fight like you see on the screen
A king getting slain for the love of a queen
Some great Shakespearean scene
Where police and a gal meet, and then she ends in mincemeat

The guy who was waving the flag
That began with making hate of the fags
Hip hooray! The American way
The world is a stage; the stage is a world of execution!

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 04:28 PM

When someone shoots a woman in the face 3 times at point blank range and then an ICE agent is heard yelling "fucking bitch" I believe my eyes and ears..
Two seconds before dying, Ms. Good says to her killer, "dude, I'm not mad at you".

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 04:21 PM

"It works."

That seems to suggest that rational discussion doesn't work, or doesn't work well enough.

And that may be right. But if so, then what?

The ever-increasing venom have now.

Let's cool it down.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 03:44 PM

When a weapons-grade stupid leader is told that something is free, as in free money from tariffs, free luxury 747, or free oil, they ignore the actual costs involved. Often, the real costs are astronomical.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 03:40 PM

Charged language is the weapon of Donald J Trump, and it has worked.
I use the word 'execution' appropriately, as a judge, jury, and executioner, in the role of a policeman. It happens far too often.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Lighter
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 11:49 AM

Let's not get carried away.

We know it was a "killing." We don't know that it was either (pre-meditated) "murder" or an "execution."

"Charged language" is never helpful to a rational discussion.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 11:32 AM

Time to call out the ICE dress code:

* all black;
* masked;
* armed;

.... now which side in a classic Western does that remind you of?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 10:43 AM

Vance says the only people lying about the ICE shooting are the lunatic fringe on the left. He says the agent who defended himself has absolute immunity. That is not true unless you include a Presidential pardon. It is time to call this ICE action an execution.

This is what MAGA has desired from the President's racist white power authority. Never mind that the victim was a white Christian; she has been pronounced to be a domestic terrorist by the administration. It would be desirable for authoritarian rule to normalize mass murder and executions for obvious control reasons. It's time to nip this in the bud.

Minnesota has already had the assassination of two State Democratic Senators by a MAGA nut dressed and masked as an ICE agent at the victim's home. This year, there have been 2 shootings there, of which one was by ICE.

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 10:43 AM

I promise this will be the last one. One good man’s view. Very well worth watching…

Robert Arnold, Little Rock, Arkansas on the murder by an ICE Agent of Renée Nicole Good

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 10:02 AM

More from Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal on the bare-faced lies being touted by the shameless, shameful President, the Vice-president, and Kristi Noem.

How could anyone vote for these POS?

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: r.padgett
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 09:44 AM

God help USA, sorry to say I did warn people over many years not to elect him

Vigilance by those in power and action to prevent War on all sides is now overdue

Ray

Subject: RE: Convicted felon US Prez 47/Don't Say His Name
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jan 26 - 08:40 AM

I suspect that brave people like her will be 'dissappeared' when the turnip bans elections because America is in a state of war. :-(

I genuinely fear for what will happen to you guys who oppose him on the front line over ther but believe that you will win in the end. It will be a battle though.