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Greatest protest singer of the sixties

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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 04:34 PM

I haven't heard much by Phil Ochs that impressed me either, but "Changes" is a great song.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 06:45 PM

I can't include Dylan or many of those mentioned above because they were so inconsistent with their politics. Dylan has been pretty apolitical for a couple of decades. Ditto with Baez--we hear more from Ronnie Gilbert than we do Baez. I think those mentioned were the most commercially successful artists doing political song in the 60s, but they certainly weren't the best in my book.

But then, as someone mentioned, Pete and I'd add Ronnie from above, and Sweet Honey in the Rock, Richie Havens, Gil Scott Heron, John Prine (the only musician, to my knowledge, who avoided the draft by going to Canada), Arlo fer sure (and my favorite by him in addition to AR is Clams Ahoy oh Clams-O!), Judy Collins, and many more who still make their politics known through their music and their activism.

But Dylan, Baez, and Ochs? Nah. They'd never win my vote.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: pastorpest
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 08:53 PM

My first thought was Dylan. But on second thought,the greatest protest singer of the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, and still going with integrity and consistency is Pete Seeger.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Tedham Porterhouse
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 09:17 PM

Unnamed Guest, posting at 6:45 pm, referred to "John Prine (the only musician, to my knowledge, who avoided the draft by going to Canada)."

Fact of the matter is, John Prine is an army vet who was posted to West Germany in the 1960s.

There were many musicians among the draft resistors who came to Canada. The best known is Jesse WInchester.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: ray bucknell
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 09:24 PM

Phil Ochs, without a doubt. I agree that his voice wasn't the best, but his songs were consistently on target and he was always sincere in his sentiments. Tom Paxton, too, but I've always considered him more a topical songwriter than a protest singer (and I do believe there's a difference). Ray


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: sed
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 10:54 PM

Reading the post below made me think that, yes, the Chad Mitchell Trio and later the Mitchell Trio had fun while singing a protest song, like The Kingston Trio had fun singing anything, but it never seemed all that serious; it may as well have been Tom Lehrer making fun of himself up there on stage. I try to enjoy lots of different songs for lots of different reasons. Phil Ochs was a very complex man who wrote a big variety of songs for various reasons. I think he sincerely believed that it was possible to change the world with songs. (many of us did and some of us still do) The Mitchell Trio primarily seemed more like entertainers. But, yeah, I liked 'em all: Pete Seeger, Malvina Reynolds, Janis Ian, Ewen MacColl, Ernie Marrs, Sis Cunningham, Woody Guthrie, and too many to name. The Best of Broadside has some wonderful examples of great songs that still benefit the listener. I say let's stop worrying about who is/was the greatest and the best and just try to find the best song for the current dilema. The more songs and artists we know, the better choice of weapons we have. Or as Tom Lehrer put it in the "Folk Song Army" "Ready. Aim. Sing!"

-Singin' Steve Sedberry

Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties From: folk1234 Date: 28-Jan-00 - 10:22 AM

I too agree with the likes of Dylan, Ochs, & Baez, but the ones I liked the best, and I still listen to, are done by The Chad Mitchell Trio. CMT had a unique way of having fun while protesting. They delivered a powerful message, but they were also very entertaining. You left their concert feeling good, not angry.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: sed
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 11:05 PM

"Universal Soldier" was a hit for Donovan but was written by Buffy, if my memory serves me.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 11:31 PM

Correct, and Buffy does far and away the best rendition of it.

BTW, Baez "apolitical"??? What? I don't think so.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: simon-pierre
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 12:23 AM

Rick Fielding quoting Gilles Vigneault! I feel home at last! Rick, note that there's almost nothing strictly politic in this song, but it has the effect you mentionned. "Ti-cul Lachance" is one very great protest song.

But.. my vote goes to Dylan, for "It's all right ma" and "Desolation row"


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Francy
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 12:30 AM

Pete Seeger......Pete Seeger......Pete Seeger....Pete Seeger.....and everyone else a distant 2nd and 3rd and 4th and so on................Frank Of Toledo


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 07:37 AM

Blush--thanks Tedham, I did mean Jesse Winchester.

Baez isn't/wasn't apolitical as you noted, Little Hawk. But I do think she was driven by the commercial success/competitive music business thing, which ultimately ended up killing her credibility (along with some really questionable political choices) in my book. She is a lovely singer, and has done some fine political work over the years, but hasn't been terribly consistent with either quality music or political wisdom, in my view.

But hey-vive la difference.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 09:04 AM

Phil.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST,jaze
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 11:37 AM

Joan Baez. She put her money where her mouth was throughout the 60's and beyond. She has been consistent with her message of non-violence over the past 30-40 years. She could be immensely wealthy now if she hadn't donated much of her income to causes she fought for. Of all of them, she has been the most punished and shunned. Remember "We Are The World"? Most of the artists iinvolved were a joke when it comes to fighting for causes. Baez wasn't even considered. Love her I do and I take my hat off to her for her unwavering example of looking out for the other guy.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST,jim
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 01:29 PM

The best protest singers of the 60s were actually a couple of bands into the early 70s. On stage Jim Morrison; but in lyrics and beat you can't beat Credence Clearwater Revival. Run through the jungle...Satan roars the game...don't look back.It ain't me...I ain't no President's son...some people are born, silver spoon in hand. Morrison and his arrests and his ostentatious melodramas were always news worthy connected to his lyrics style and voice had so many copycat teens who were Morrison impersonators that only Elvis ever had more.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 01:46 PM

jaze - Right on. I recommend to anyone to read Joan Baez's autobiography "And A Voice To Sing With". I have seldom seen or heard of a life more unwaveringly devoted to human rights and freedoms than hers. Buffy Sainte-Marie has also been a tireless fighter in social causes and an inspiration to many, right to this day.

- LH


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 03:18 PM

John Prine's "Sam Stone" is the best ever written. Doesn't talk about any war in particular and no country either. Then I'd have to say for pure longevity Pete Seeger.

Joe MacDonald was also one of my favorites (he served in the Navy during the war in Viet Nam).

The above has to be for pure impact on a community though. The best ever for anti-war writings are Holiday and Martin. A couple of Viet Nam combat Veterans that wrote songs I still am unable to listen to without crying. Even on my best days.

Steve


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 03:51 PM

Here's the website of the tribute to "Doc" Holiday. He died last year.

http://members.aol.com/lilc22197/doc-hol.htm

Steve


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 04:38 PM

Englebert Humperdink without a doubt. The amount of protest he caused was immense. Well, by me anyway...;-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Deckman
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 06:23 PM

For me, it's always been Tom Paxton. I've always liked his awesome ability to mix the subtle and the strong, as in "My Son John. CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: ray bucknell
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 07:05 PM

In response to Singin' Steve and the much earlier post by Folk1234 he was referring to: Yes, the (Chad) Mitchell Trio were consummate entertainers who believed that they could get their point across far more effectively by using humor and satire than by employing more heavy-handed tactics. The fact that they are all excellent singers didn't hurt, either. Their programs were a mixture of political songs, traditional folk material, novelty stuff (Super Skier, The Story of Alice, etc.) and Tom Paxton songs. But they were also quite serious about the politics they espoused through song, and participated actively in the civil rights movement. I didn't list them in my earlier post because I never considered them to be protest singers. They were having too much fun.

Ray


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST,Hippie Lawyer
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 04:37 AM

Dear People:

I am writing this e-mail as someone who was there, and who has retained all the values I developed during that best-of-times/worst-of-times era.

If you want to talk about the greatest musicians of the 1960's who harbored counter-cultural values, and thus protestors' values, the obvious answer is The Beatles. They changed our society in numerous ways not remembered now. They challenged, or at least thumbed their noses at, almost every social icon. And, along with the indispenable help of their genius producer/classical musician/assistant songwriter, George Martin, they get my vote for the greatest musical force since Beethoven.

If you want to talk about the greatest songwriter who wrote antiwar and other protest songs FOR AWHILE, the clear answer in my opinion is Dylan. Nobody ever wrote a protest against the "sport" of boxing that could touch "Who Killed Davey Moore?" I have never heard a song about racial and economic injustice of my lifetime, not to mention judicial corruption, that comes close to "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll." I have hever heard a scarier song about nuclear war than "A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall," nor a song which better captured the (blind) optimism of early-1960's activism than "The Times They Are A-Changin'."

But as I suggested above, Dylan only wrote protest songs for awhile, and not a very long while, at that. For that reason, I don't think he can seriously contend for the greatest protest singer/songwriter of that decade.

By the same token, the young Joan Baez had a better singing voice than any other protest singer I've heard, and she kept singing such songs when Dylan had stopped... BUT, she did not start writing songs until the end of the decade. "Sweet Sir Galahad," a song for her sister Mimi, was her first musical composition to be released, and while I rate it as one of her best, a protest song it ain't.

There are many others I could mention, and to whom great praise could go as protest singers: Buffy Sainte-Marie; Peter, Paul and Mary; Pete Seeger; Judy Collins; etc.

But if you are looking for the single individual or group who most tirelessly championed the military, political and social causes we progressives lived for--the guy who started very early in the decade and was still going strong until its end, albeit not for much longer than that--there is only one answer.

And his name, may his soul rest in the peace he never knew in this world, was Phil Ochs.

Like young David Rovics today, only with far more talent, Ochs released album after album after album filled with protest songs he had written. The Vietnam War and the horrors of racist brutality in the American South were his two pet topics, but he wrote about everything: the A.M.A.; coal miners; America's complicity with Franco's fascist Spain; the persecution of journalist William Worthy, who traveled to New York at some personal peril to hear Phil sing "The Ballad of William Worthy" (can you imagine the mutual respect in the coffee shop that night?); the corruption of the 1968 Democratic Convention and the fascist barbarism of the police riot outside it; and more other things than I could begin to recite.

The definitive song about 1960's chickenhawks is, without any doubt whatsoever, Phil's "Draft Dodger Rag." The song which the antiwar movement adopted as its anthem, more than any other, was "I Ain't Marchin' Anymore." Phil was the archetypal 1960's protest singer/songwriter, driven by relentless, and ultimately tragic, forces.

Dylan's best efforts were better, but they were so enormously outnumbered by Phil's that I can see no case for selecting Dylan over Phil as the decade's greatest protest singer/songwriter. The same goes for Peter, Paul and Mary, and a lot of others.

There simply was nobody who, despite the radio stations' total blacklisting of his protest songs, so ceaselessly churned out a steady diet of iconoclastic, in-your-face protest songs--some of them funny as hell, others tragic. And yes, I know, it eventually destroyed him. He never really recovered from what happened at the 1968 Democratic convention--although he still wrote some great songs after that, including my favorite Ochs song, the painful "No More Songs." And his eventual descent into alcoholism, hopeless depression and ultimately suicide are all well documented.

But this post specifically talks about "the sixties," and if you're not just talking about the most beautiful voice (Baez or Collins), or the best writer of a select few protest songs (Dylan), but rather are asking who was the ceaseless foe of oppression and champion of protest singer/songwriters, there is only one answer. To my great regret, he ain't marchin' anymore, but when he did, he was the best. And none of us who loved him then will ever forget him.

Thanks, Phil.

Jim Fahey


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 05:21 AM

Got to agree with Hippie Lawyer, Phil was totally dedicated, according to Jerry Rubin Phil NEVER turned down a good cause to sing for.

His songs remain great songs, and he's still missed.

eric


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: breezy
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 05:25 AM

Pete Seeger because he has that enviable ability to communicate with the wider public/audience and convey the message in the song.


He is way ahead of all the others mentioned in this thread, including Baez, as most of them were writers suchas Dylan and Ochs and as with most cases with these writers they are very seldom the best interpreters of their own songs.

Pete Seeger, - like many aspiring folk singers and some very good ones e.g.possibly Mike Aranoff USA and Martyn Windham-Reid U K - successfully gleaned songs from all writers and perform them with a naturalness that can only be explained away as being part genius.

many writers have been mentioned but none can hold a candle to the greatest ever interpreter of contemporary 'protest' song as the one and only, the unique, the much maligned , Pete Seeger.

And he was nifty on banjo and guitar too.

As for Dick Gaughan, well he needs an interpreter.

Pete Seeger.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 07:45 AM

Dozens of posts over 5 years and no one has mentioned Leon Rosselson...


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: erinmaidin
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 08:51 AM

I believe Eric Bogle deserves honourable mention in this category...Hell...he even protested Bob Dylan! (check digitrad for his
songlist)


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 09:20 AM

Charlie Drake My Boomerang won't come back
(summed up the frustration of an entire generation)
Rolf Harris - I've lost my Mummy
(few remained indifferent to this song of woe)
Terry Scott - don't jump off the roof Dad
(summed up neatly the generation gap)
Joe Brown - Three Hats for Lisa
(made us view this talented artist in quite a different way)


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: breezy
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 07:05 PM

Leon Rosselson does not communicate like Pete Seeger and Eric Bogle wrote and performed after the 60 s

Roy Bailey may deserve an honourable mention

hello Paul when am I coming to shennanigans next?

that guy from Wimborn is all hot air


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: number 6
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 07:45 PM

Joan Baez .... her cause came from her heart, and of her perseverance with 'the cause'.

sIx


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: breezy
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 04:40 AM

too classical, not ethnic in her sing style and came over as being aloof from her audience.

Couldnt see her sing little boxes though she may well have done

She looked up to Pete Seeger

A diva in todays terms


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 06:46 AM

Joan Baez a diva? A muff diva?


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: JJ
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 08:33 AM

Yes, but she left that part out of her second autobio. And if Joanie ain't ethnic, what is?


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST,Sidewinder.
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 08:42 AM

Edwin Starr.

Regards.

Sidewinder.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST,Hippie Lawyer
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 02:26 PM

Dear Erinmaidin and All,

I'll be less verbose this time, or at least try to.

I'm writing in response to Erinmaidin's post about Eric Bogle. It is my understanding, too, that Bogle made his biggest impact in the early 1970's, not the 1960's. However....

He wrote several antiwar songs I like and cherish, and he wrote one I consider THE greatest anti-war song ever: "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda," a relentlessly brutal, realistic account of the carnage at Gallipoli, and of the mindless flag-waving patriotism which impelled Europe into what is now called World War One. I'm not sure, but I believe more SOLDIERS died in WWI than in WWII, though obviously the total death count was much worse in WWII. And Gallipoli was probably the war's most bloody, brutal disaster, one which seemed to end the political career of a 40-year-old man largely responsible for the disaster: Winston Churchill.

If any of you have not heard the song, you simply must buy someone's version of it. My personal favorite is John McDermott's beautiful rendition, accompanied by a small chamber ensemble. Folk "purists" may prefer the versions of Bogle, or Makem & Clancy [sp?], because they contain more traditional folk instrumentation. But the 8:06 version of "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda," which appears on McDermott's album "Battlefields of Green," feels like watching mass executions or a filmed recreation of Stalingrad or Okinawa, set to something like the 4th movement of Beethoven's 9th Symphony.

I presume anyone reading these posts is, at least in general, opposed to war. Buffy Sainte-Marie's "Universal Soldier" is probably my favorite antiwar song from an intellectual standpoint. But from an emotional standpoint, "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda" is easily the anti-war song I love most. I heard Joan Baez, prior to her singing it up here in a 1998 or 2000 concert, call it the greatest anti-war song SHE'S ever heard.

Need I say more?

Jim F.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: PoppaGator
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 04:31 PM

"...And if Joanie ain't ethnic, what is?"

The last adjective I'd use to describe Joan Baez would be "ethnic," which I take to mean down-home, funky, ragged-but-right. She is an important figure and a beautiful singer, but she sure ain't no Big Mama Thornton.

Her sincerity is certainly not in question, and her style can certainly be characterized as "unadorned," which makes her in some sense partake of the simplicity which is part of what the term "ethnic" implies, but her approach is so pristine and so careful that I find her far too high-culture, too academic, to classify her as "ethnic."

Of course, strictly speaking, the word "ethnic" means nothing more than "pertaining to some [unspecified] tribal or national group." In practice, we usually understand it to imply some connection with out-of-the-mainstream nationalities and groups. Joanie just ain't there; while she does not represent the WASP aristocracy, she certainly seems to personify the upper-middle-class artsy/bohemian culture. (That's not a criticism; it's a group I would gladly join, if I only had the money!)


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST,Hippie Lawyer
Date: 17 Mar 05 - 05:54 PM

Actually, yes, I need say one thing more:

Do not buy Joan Baez' version of the song. For reasons unfathom-able, she deleted the first half of the second verse, the second half of the third verse, and all of the fifth verse (except the coda). I own about 40 Baez cd's and can stand with anyone in my admiration of her, but if I've persuaded you to buy "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda," get one of the other versions I've told you about, not Joan's.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 07:15 AM

Ken Dodd. I used to protest every time I heard him.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 09:22 AM

Well, I've never been the greatest anything but I'm the most consistent: whenever I sing (whether in the 1960's or more recently) everyone immediately protests.

RtS


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: thespionage
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 02:54 PM

I believe the most talented and poetically prolific songwriter of protest songs of the 1960s was Bob Dylan (apologies to Phil Ochs's memory). Joan Baez was the best performer of Dylan's material. But my favorite political composer/performer of the '60s would be Pete Seeger. He's the main reason I took up banjo.

Russ


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST,GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 06:16 PM

OK, get real.

Victor Jara.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 02:48 AM

I think I'd like to change my vote - to the SNCC Freedom Singers.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 04:18 AM

Dylan wrote some great protest songs, but was he a great protest singer? There has always been a question over Dylan's commitment. For example, at the Dylan tribute concert, where Sinead O'Connor was booed by the audience for her "protest" stand ( against certain attitudes of the Catholic Church), Dylan should have bounded to her defense and berated the audience. Had it been a Phil Ochs' tribute concert, Phil would have really laid into the audience.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 May 20 - 07:35 AM

it all depends what exactly you mean by great


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST,Don Meixner
Date: 30 May 20 - 01:51 PM

Lately I am reading old posts that I remarked in many years ago. I am surprised how often I would post differently and how often I wouldn't.

In the years I have been away or posted very little my mind has changed some. As far as this post goes I haven't changed my mind.

Phil Ochs, Malvina Reynolds and Tom Paxton.

But I am also going to say that early on we only considered English language music. In my case, since I am not bi-ligual, I have no other experience. Were there Cuban protest singers? Iranian? Chilean? Pakistani? Other people, with voices, in peril?

I wish I knew.

Don


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 30 May 20 - 02:10 PM

Dylan never referred to himself as a 'protest' singer. He wrote songs that projected a different light on how he saw things. Phil wrote songs that were often harder hitting, many of which have been mentioned previously. When Pat released 'Songs That Made America Famous' most people didn't see the songs on it as protest. Buffy wrote many beautiful songs and some carried an anti-war spirit, Universal Soldier being the most well-known I think. Collins did a few also. Baez and her brother-in-law Richard did their share, and so did Odetta, Seeger, et.al. However, many of the people I see who have mentioned them have failed to explain what the term 'protest singer' means, so I suppose we could mention Perry Como too.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 May 20 - 02:25 PM

I see above that somebody mentioned Victor Jara (1932-73) of Chile in 2005. I didn't know anything about Jara then, but I learned a lot about him when we included several of his songs in the Rise Again Songbook in 2015. Many of his performances are available on YouTube, and they are truly remarkable. Powerful songs, and an absolutely beautiful voice.!

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Neil D
Date: 30 May 20 - 09:10 PM

Curtis Mayfield: "Keep On Pushing"; "People Get Ready"; "We're a Winner". "Keep On Pushing" was the favorite sing-a-longs of the Freedom Riders and often used by MLK Jr at his rallies. His activism continued into the 70s with stark portrayals of the dark side of ghetto life ("Freddie's Dead") and the anti-war album "Back to the World".


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Jeri
Date: 31 May 20 - 09:29 AM

Starship, let us not forget Johnny Cash.

The cruise I go on annually (and hope to again, one day), this most recent one feature Mavis Staples, and she has lost absolutely nothin'!

You're Not Alone - Accoustic
You're Not Alone - the recorded version

(Written by Jeff Tweedy)


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: Jeri
Date: 31 May 20 - 09:34 AM

And to keep wit the literal subject, "of the sixties". Youtube seems to favor fluff.
When Will We Be Paid - Staples Singers.


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Subject: RE: Greatest protest singer of the sixties
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 31 May 20 - 11:58 AM

Yeppers, Jeri.


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