Getting fed up with 'guests'

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 12:26 AM

Al....your message .....is precisely the one preached in the past....upon this very board....my only convert has been a reluctant Mr. Seed.....stopped short of revealing his wife's creditcard balances which (might have made him a REAL believer.) Use the white pages when selecting registration names....and juno/hot/net/ e-mail replies.

Shambles, "can-it-old-man"

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 12:30 AM

Ah, Rick never stutters - he's got Joe to clean up his duplicate messages (but he got caught this time...)

Andrés, maybe you're right that something is going on. Now he's asking for BeeGees songs. I hate not to give requested information, if I have it, but this is getting to be a bit too much. I think all these requests are coming from the same person, although he/she has started to put various names in the "from" box. It's gotten past the point of merely being overenthusiatic, and it's well into the "obnoxious" area.
So, should I go to the trouble of looking up "Stayin' Alive"? Maybe not.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,Al
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 12:55 AM

As a matter of fact Rick, I do play the Accordion and I resent the implication. But what I am saying is that this is not a closed community of folk enthusiasts - it is open to the world. This is not the friendly confines of a folk club - you are in the big bad world (in the true global sense) of the internet. I simply try to warn the users that it can be dangerous to adults as well as kids to reveal too much personal information. Several threads on the mudcat encourage this - "Where do Mudcatters Live", "What Brand of Prophylactic ... " What Age ..." and you seemed to be trying to have people open themselves up even more. In Canada, you seem to be pretty civilized, but in the US you can get shot for cutting someone off in traffic. So if you piss off some lonely geek on a web site, you don't want to give him too much data to track you down. All I'm saying is, "Be careful out there!"

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:05 AM

Rick:

Accordion players?? So how long HAVE you known Len Wallace for?!?! LOL!!

I have way too much fun at his expence... but he picks on everybody he knows too, so I guess it's all fair eh?

LOL!!

CAH

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:40 AM

Actually Al, I gotta come clean.(although I was hoping to get rid of a few snappy one-liners tonight) You have a good point. A little less than a year ago a fellow mudcatter provided their address and an invitation for others to visit them on an appointed day. I though "great, ain't that hospitable" and then had an attack of "reality" and sent them a private message suggesting that they be a little more careful with giving out that kind of information. The person was a bit taken aback at my "suspicious nature", and I re-thought the whole thing out at length. Well, as I often do, when in doubt, I turned to the writing of the wisest man who ever lived (in my humble opinion)Quentin Crisp. His views (many of which I emulate as well as a straight Canadian male can) are clear on this. "Anyone not wanting to murder you, is a potential interesting friend, so keep as open as possible...it's much more interesting that way". Now granted, I'm 6 feet tall, 220 pounds and have eyes in the back of my head, when it comes to smelling trouble, so perhaps if I was a little more potentially vulnerable, I might see it differently, but we'll just have to agree to disagree a bit on this.

Oh by the way...I didn't mean accordion player...I mean't BANJO player! Sorry Bonnie, but Al might be 6' 5"!!

By the way (part two) what stuttering? I never saw a thing, but my computer did funny things for a few minutes. Thank you Joe. As usual I'm in your debt.

Rick

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Brendy
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 03:15 AM

Moonchild.
Whatever made you think that I directed my inquiry at you personally, as nowhere in my post did I so much as imply I was doing so? (Perhaps YOU should read my post again)
Had you done me the courtesy of of addressing your concerns to me via the 'personal pages', I may have returned the favour.
I don't see how "Innocent Question" could be construed as being anything else but that, and even given the amount of paranoia and latent xenophobia which has been apparent of late, I still think that the word "You" could stretch itself to include the plural definition.
I just wanted to find out where you were all going: to another café, to the movies, going fishing......What?
Whatever about getting fed up with 'Guests', there are people who hide behind equally ridiculous pseudonyms who are doing more, in my opinion, to hurt this place. And the sooner they get off peoples' backs the sooner this forum will quieten down.....in my opinion.
Breandán

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,Benjamin
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 03:18 AM

Wow, I couldn't finish reading this thread as it's long! (That happens when you don't check in). As for me, don't have a cookie, never did. But I promise, I do put my name when I post (I've quit using the "Blue Moon" name since the 'guest' came up though).

For me, I am probably the youngest here (just turned 20 today!) and come here to often to learn from what others have learned or know. As far as I'm seeing, The 'guest' sign isn't really doing much, people were posting leaving the name blank before.

I guess the only point of my post is to say that there is lots for me to learn here and I don't have a cookie. I just don't want people thinking I'm causing trouble when they see the 'guest' before my name. I must agree with your opening post Rick!

BMW

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Brendy
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 03:25 AM

Happy Birthday Benji, old boy
May you peace and prosper.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 04:12 AM

Hi, Benjamin - the "Guest" designation is just to help prevent people from posting under the names of reigstered Mudcatters. If the "from" box says guest, you know it's not from somebody who's posting through a Mudcat registration. We had some impersonation problems that got a little nasty. I think Max came up with a pretty workable solution, that allows people to post easily without being registered, if that's what they want to do.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,Auxiris
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 09:17 AM

Okay, that's it; I've had it. After having been (relatively) courteous, having tried to help various people with bits of information, contributed the odd song and/or poem, having tried to join in on several discussions, been ignored for the most part by the rest of you, I'm leaving. Am I to be "suspect" because I choose not to become a member and thus have "GUEST" attached to my pseudo? I'll just have to be content with plundering the odd song here and there. Thanks a lot.

Bye.

Auxiris

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 09:41 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen. I hope that none of you will take the drastic action of leaving the Mudcat because of the antics of some malcontent with nothing better to do than trying to piss people off. For my part I believe,that trying to intimidate people on here, is somewhat akin to a flea climbing an elephants tail intent on rape. The flea may achieve his objective, but the elephant will continue on oblivious; and for the most part uncaring. If someone intends anything otherwise, they might find out that some folkies do not turn the other cheek; and have the ability to reach out and touch someone... Yours,(not a nonny mouse) Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Gary T
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 10:36 AM

Auxiris, I'm sorry you've had a less than pleasant experience. I have no clue as to why it seems you might have been ignored. But I would like to clarify, there is no problem with the tag "GUEST" per se. Perhaps the thread title is a bit misleading. The problem (in my eyes, anyway) is that there has been a rash of posts lately that say "GUEST" and nothing more, the equivalent of leaving the "from" box blank in the past. Posting with some kind of name, as you did, is appreciated. You are not suspect just because of the "GUEST" label, and it's not necessary for you (or anyone else) to join and register. What's disconcerting is when the "from" box says ONLY "GUEST", leaving us no clue as to whether these very many "GUEST"-only posts are all from one person or from any number of different people. Please participate as you will, and I hope it gets better here for you. And thank you for adding the "Auxiris" name to your post.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,Auxiris
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 11:22 AM

Sincere thanks for your kind words, Gary; sorry to get chuffed off like that. I wouldn't even THINK of using anyone else's name and I think there's a lot of mistrust just now about the whole "guest" thing. What I didn't say is that when I tried to join Mudcat over a year ago, the "cookie" tarted up my computer pretty bad and it took me weeks to get it back in running order. And, just maybe the contributions I've made weren't all that interesting.

cheers,

Auxiris

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 11:28 AM

Don't see how a cookie could tart up a whole computer, unless it was lemon meringue. It's just an ASCII string. It's more likely that the session did the tarting by locking up a port or some such confusing thing. New thread on the hatred of computers coming soon.

A

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 12:46 PM

Jeez Auxirus, I doubt if you were truly "ignored", and I'm sorry if it appeared that way. keep in mind that all of us get "ignored" a lot of times here. Whether it be what we consider a very salient point, or a brilliant joke. As far as the joke goes...if I think it's REALLY good, I wait a couple of weeks and slip it into another thread! Even a musical point can be used again if you really want feedback. Just gotta be a little persistant at times. (or you can start a thread called "Joe Offer's Head on a Stick" and get IMMEDIATE detailed feedback!!!)

Rick

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,Auxiris
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 12:46 PM

Well, it did, Amos--believe it or not--and I am not anxious to try again. No, it was not the session and yes, it took me forever to get my computer back in running order. I also lost a lot of files in the process, so no poison cookies for me. Sorry for the thread creep.

cheers, Auxiris

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,Neil Lowe
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:06 PM

Auxiris...may I make a suggestion? When posting to this forum, do what I do: pretend like you're talking to yourself. That way, if nobody responds, you will know that at least one other intelligent person saw what you had to say.

Regardless, I think you have one helluva good start at piquing interest in your posts. Any moniker that has an "X" in it is always intriguing.

Neil X. Lowe

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,Auxiris
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:18 PM

Thanks, Neil X. . . LOL. Regardless, having already admitted to being a banjo player (and proud to be one) elsewhere in the forum, I don't know if I can qualify as an intelligent person.

cheers, Auxiris

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:22 PM

Now, hold on! My best pal in junior high, who walkerd the early folkie road withme, was primarily a banjo plucker, and one of the smartest guys I know to boot. It's not like he played the accordion! And, come to think of it, the smartest gal I know plays the accordion! Just shows to go ya.

A

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Fortunato
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:23 PM

Do you folks know the Zen Koan:

How do you get the chicken out of the box?

The answer could be:

There...it's out.

Or this way:

There are stones in the road
and ice upon the trail
but, oh! the birdsong.

Regards, Fortunato

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,Auxiris
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:26 PM

I play accordion, too.

cheers, Auxiris

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:42 PM

Best be careful being rude about accordion players. Idi Amin plays the creature. He used to get very enthusiastic audiences at one stage.

I liked Neil Lowe's point about having X in a name. - as in Max. Perhaps we could ask Max (another X) to change it from GUEST to XENOS, which, as has been pointed out, means both guest and stranger in Greek. And it's a very intriguing prefix to wear on your name, into the bargain.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,Benjamin
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:57 PM

McGrath,

I don't consider myself a stranger here (though I've never meet anyone here in person) I'm somewhat of a consistent poster. I just don't have a cookie! I'm not sure how much I'd like the prefix to my name to mean stranger.

BMW

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,Neil Lowe
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 02:13 PM

Auxiris...and proud you should be. Being a Yank, I am always receptive to things that I can point to with pride here in the U.S. I am told (perhaps you could verify) that the banjo is the only instrument indigent to North America. All others (the guitar, for example, came from Spain - I think) were imported from somewhere else. True? If so, I'll leave it to personal opinion of the other respected members of this forum whether that should be a source of pride or no. And as fas as a relationship between choice of instrument and intelligence.....to steal another member's joke: you know what they call someone who likes to hang out with musicians? A drummer.

Regards, Neil (former drummer)

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,lloyd61
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 02:16 PM

My Lap-Top has made me a GUEST. I guess when I'm on the road I'm a GUEST. Max, how can I have the same name on all my PC's. I need Cookie that goes with me. O'well it's sunny and warm here in Arizona, the cookie would melt.

GUEST,lloyd61

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 02:28 PM

I think if you reset the cookie (using the Quicklinks menu) while using the laptop, then that copy of the browser (Netscape or IE) will have the needed cookie and be able to log you in automagically.

Try it and see if that works?

Alternatively you could create several IDs (such as lloyd62, lloyd63, etc.) one for each machine.

A.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Cara
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 03:58 PM

Indeed, you can have cookies on several different machines. I do. Just make sure to log out if you're 'Catting in a public place.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 04:22 PM

Cara! Have you been catting in public places? Isn't that risky?

A

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Art Thieme
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 08:07 PM

Guests and fish stink after 3 or 4 days.

Art

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 10:18 PM

re: Escamillo's posting way back up there...

I wonder:

If whoever the "musical police" is/are realizes:

Posting all those dozens of requests for lyrics/chords is far more disruptive to the purpose of the Mudcat (at least, as I understand that purpose) than any BS or healing thread. What he/she/they are actually doing is making the people who comprise the knowledge and information base of the Mudcat reluctant to answer *any* lyric/chords request, by making them doubt the poster's sincerity in asking... Many of the postings seem designed to simply waste the time and expertise of these people, not truly to want an answer.

IMO, that's a downright shame. My intro to Mudcat was when I requested lyrics to a song that had been haunting me, and received answers almost immediately--and I thought, Wow! This place is terrific! and came back again to learn more. Thank you, all of you who willingly share your knowledge and quirky senses of humor!

If the "musical police" render the Lyr/Chords resource unusable or untrustworthy, as seems to be happening, he/she/they have impaired half of what makes the Mudcat somewhere special.

That ploy won't force Mudcatters to discuss "only music," it will force Mudcatters to discuss nothing at all. Or is that really the reason for all the hoorah?

JL

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 31 Jan 00 - 11:13 PM

Thanks Rick, I am so happy to know the people who have chosen to show themselves here.There are some wanderfull people here and the ones that dont want to show themselves tell me they are not here to be met.. What is the point of wasting time on someone who isnt there.I'm always interested in what a person who stands up and is counted has to say.The word guest is an aside to protect us from the childish bull dinky .Please dont get mad at it you guys,it has helped show whos has been nauty and who has been nice..Its been very helpfull.Dont go away Spaw I look forward to your words here. All the best to thoughs of good will. You know who you are!!!! Guy

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 12:21 AM

Boy, it can be easy to be misunderstood again and again. Once more, my ONLY point was it would be nice if newcomers under the "GUEST" banner, would sign a name at the end of their post. ANY name, just to give it a bit of a personal touch. No more, no less. I'm NOT asking people to reveal their visa numbers.

Re: song requests. My way of dealing with them has always been to COMPLETELY ignore any request that doesn't give some information other than "song wanted". If someone's social skills are so lacking that they can't even say please and thank you, their request can fall in a lake...or off this forum.

Rick

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: annamill
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 01:46 PM

Spaw, BB, Moonchild, Bugsy Boy, Mick..can I come too? This whole thing is scaring the s**t out of me. I'm afraid Max is going to get sick of it all and shut us down. Between you and me, if I was new now, I'd be real reluctant to offer my home to "anyone" on Mudcat. If that's true, you know something valuable has been lost. Sad, huh? I know I miss what we had. Maybe a lot of wonderful new people have joined us, but they're being lost in the garbage. I hate subversion and mistrust. I usually avoid it, but I have such good friends here, that I'm reluctant to go away.

Oh well. Love, annap

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Amos
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 02:41 PM

Hey guys, I'm just a loudmouthed newcomer in Cat terms, but I'd really appreciate it if you not go away, as I feel it would cost me too dearly. I admire you all and enjoy your views and communications.

The mention of the ant practicing on the elephant comes to mind. The flak bugs go away after a while and the genuine hearts still appear.

A.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: annamill
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 02:53 PM

Amos, I've enjoyed your postings very much. Your songs are great and I am glad you've joined us. I'd have you at a gathering anytime, but I don't like being in the position of having to pick and choose who comes. My home has always been open to any Mudcatter, even Gargoyle (mean as he can be sometimes). Now I'm a little nervous about doing that. Oh, I'll probably do it anyway!

Love, annap

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Amos
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 02:59 PM

Well, thankee, kindly annap. The occasional airhead who comes through these pagesusually (I think) finds the _actual_ interest of the majority offputting and goes off to screw up some other site :>).

Just choose a few of the biggest of your friends who will come and act as Masters at Arms and you'll have nothing to fear.

Or you can ask people to respond by personal message, which will filter out the n'e'r-do-wells.

Warm regards,

Amos

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Bill in Alabama
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 03:02 PM

C'mon-- The GUEST designation did what it was supposed to do: it supposedly solved the problem of stolen handles, or identities, or whatever it was that brought on that last big scamperdown. I think Max did a great job with it, and I can't, frankly, understand why there's so much whining about it. If you are bothered by the designation, don't open the thread --isn't that what some folks have been preaching in other instances?

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: MMario
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 04:14 PM

It isn't really the "guest" designation that people are complaining about...it's the plethora of anonymous posts. Partly I think it's because they are much more obvious now....and because it's frustrating trying to reply to a vacuam even when the request is legitimate. Add to that the creeping suspicion that someone is deliberatley posting requests to make 'catters respond.....

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,BlueJay
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 05:01 PM

Rick Fielding, I empathize with your concerns about cyberworld anonymity. As a guest, I also understand the need for anonymity. I'm fairly new to computers, and there's lots more like me, who are COMPUTER IDIOTS- probably should just take it back to the store, but the internet in general is fun and informative. I'm not a regular "mudcatter", but I pop in from time to time and have even found a couple of long lost lyrics, easing my mind greatly. I think the Mudcat Cafe is an invaluable internet resource even though I'm not a member, (a couple of people have encouraged me to join). But you see, I like to visit many sites and they all want me to sign up. I like it just the way it is: visit as a guest, I'm not trying to screw things up or plagiarize anyone, I just may have an occasional question or comment. I tink there are probably more people like me out there than there are regular mudcatters. Hell, I don't even know how to sign up if I wanted to: I bookmarked the discussion page and haven't explored it further, and check in occasionally. If it weren't for the anonymity warning I read, I'd probably be giving you my e-mail address at this point.

My point is that there are a lot of people like me, who stumble on to this site, who are neither computer geniuses nor have the finances to sign up officially. I know you've had problems with impersonators, but please don't assume that if BlueJay is a guest there is some malicious intent.

My final question: what exactly is a "mudcat"? My closest frame of reference is "mudduck", an endagered species of Colorado railroaders. You may be tired of this question, but I think I'll take the bold step of starting a new thread, (and why is it called a thread)?

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 05:17 PM

Blue Jay, it costs nothing to become a member of the Mudcat. The advantages include being able to send and receive personal message, listing your profile or picture on the BBC's Resources Page, and just plain joining in in support of a great website. Oh, and a lot of us were once Computer Idiots, too, no problem there!:-) Ask any question and you will generally get a rapid answer/response.

There is an answer about what a mudcat is in the new thread, that GUEST started, "can anyone tell me about the Mudcat."

Having a name beside GUEST makes it easier to respond to individuals and engenders trust and mutual respect.

Thanks and welcome to the Mudcat, Blue Jay.

katlaughing

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 06:18 PM

Annap, I wasn't really going anywhere. Just expressing my feelings; making a point.
When you were a kid, did you ever pack your bags and tell your parents you were leaving?
I think the furthest I ever got was the backyard.

BB

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 06:43 PM

Sorry, bbc, that SHOULD have read "at BBC's Mudcat Resoures", not "the" BBC's. Whoo-boy, then we would've really arrived!

BB - me, too

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 08:56 PM

First time I saw the Mudcat was when I was looking for a BBC site in a search engine, and came across bbc. "Strange" I thought. Strange is good. So are strangers - but names are handy, even with strangers.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 09:14 PM

I hereby promise not to to respond to any request in a thread started by any anonymous GUEST who doesn't even supply a pseudonym - if we all do that they'll vanish down the page pretty fast.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Gary T
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 09:25 PM

BlueJay, a mudcat is a catfish, hence the logo with one jumping out of a banjo. To join, look at the menu at the top of the main page, over to the right, and click on "Membership". No fee, essentially it's a matter of registering. It also sets a "cookie" in your computer that automatically puts your name on your posts, saving you from typing it in and eliminating the "Guest" tag.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 09:47 PM

and if one is paranoid about cookies, I recommend one of several programs which allow YOU to set rules about which cookies..(and java & javascript..and more) that YOU allow!. I am using something called "AtGuard"..but it has been sold to Norton Utilites, you can find Norton's version at their site...there is also "BlackIce"...but I have not used it...and any number of others. (Oh, the javascript option in the cookie-masher programs stops those 'pop-up' windows on sites like GeoCities, too! Well worth looking at!)...the cookie-eating programs come in a variety of flavors, so look & decide...and I'm sure there a couple of freeware examples out there. It is good to have a good store of bookmarks to freeware sites--you can get a lot of neat stuff that way...

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: BK
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 10:33 PM

Bill D; thanks for the great idea. As for the "GUEST" bit - I agree that it was a sensible & effective - & very open-minded, non-hostile, mature adult thing for Max to do, & it does at least stop some behavior that was indescribably offensive to me. I work in a prison & have to put up w/all manner of vile scummery daily. To come here - the BEST place in cyberspace & find, for example, some sick-o phoney &*^%$#&* signing in as the one & only Katlaughing - well, it was too disgusting. I'd've been a lot less polite than she was. I HATE when work follows me home! I CHERISH the opinions & knowledge of the folks like Kat on the 'cat, & anyway, it was just plain mean & deciteful..

Cheers, & BRAVO! to max! BK

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,Brian
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 10:48 PM

I dont think that not answering guests is the right idea. Everyone of you started as a guest at sometime. Besides just cause you are a guest does not mean that you cannot add something worthwhile. It is just as silly as labeling freshman as inferior in high school. My advice is to welcome the guests and try to promote you club by being helpful to them. This would gain the respect of the guests and in my opinion would encourage more of us guests to become members. There is nothing wrong with being a member to try a club for a while.

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: Bugsy
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 11:03 PM

Brian, If you take a few minutes to read the earlier posts to this thread, you will see that it is not the "GUEST" that everyone is getting fed up with. No one has anything against GUESTS in general.

It's the "ANONYMOUS" GUEST.

This thread seems to be going round in circles.

Cheers

bugsy

Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests'
From: GUEST,brian
Date: 01 Feb 00 - 11:11 PM

sorry i misunderstood you