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Getting fed up with 'guests'
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Art Thieme Date: 31 Jan 00 - 08:07 PM Guests and fish stink after 3 or 4 days. Art |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Amos Date: 31 Jan 00 - 04:22 PM Cara! Have you been catting in public places? Isn't that risky? A |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Cara Date: 31 Jan 00 - 03:58 PM Indeed, you can have cookies on several different machines. I do. Just make sure to log out if you're 'Catting in a public place. |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Amos Date: 31 Jan 00 - 02:28 PM I think if you reset the cookie (using the Quicklinks menu) while using the laptop, then that copy of the browser (Netscape or IE) will have the needed cookie and be able to log you in automagically. Try it and see if that works? Alternatively you could create several IDs (such as lloyd62, lloyd63, etc.) one for each machine. A. |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: GUEST,lloyd61 Date: 31 Jan 00 - 02:16 PM My Lap-Top has made me a GUEST. I guess when I'm on the road I'm a GUEST. Max, how can I have the same name on all my PC's. I need Cookie that goes with me. O'well it's sunny and warm here in Arizona, the cookie would melt. GUEST,lloyd61 |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: GUEST,Neil Lowe Date: 31 Jan 00 - 02:13 PM Auxiris...and proud you should be. Being a Yank, I am always receptive to things that I can point to with pride here in the U.S. I am told (perhaps you could verify) that the banjo is the only instrument indigent to North America. All others (the guitar, for example, came from Spain - I think) were imported from somewhere else. True? If so, I'll leave it to personal opinion of the other respected members of this forum whether that should be a source of pride or no. And as fas as a relationship between choice of instrument and intelligence.....to steal another member's joke: you know what they call someone who likes to hang out with musicians? A drummer. Regards, Neil (former drummer) |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: GUEST,Benjamin Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:57 PM McGrath, I don't consider myself a stranger here (though I've never meet anyone here in person) I'm somewhat of a consistent poster. I just don't have a cookie! I'm not sure how much I'd like the prefix to my name to mean stranger. BMW |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:42 PM Best be careful being rude about accordion players. Idi Amin plays the creature. He used to get very enthusiastic audiences at one stage.
I liked Neil Lowe's point about having X in a name. - as in Max. Perhaps we could ask Max (another X) to change it from GUEST to XENOS, which, as has been pointed out, means both guest and stranger in Greek. And it's a very intriguing prefix to wear on your name, into the bargain. |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: GUEST,Auxiris Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:26 PM I play accordion, too. cheers, Auxiris |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Fortunato Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:23 PM Do you folks know the Zen Koan:
How do you get the chicken out of the box?
The answer could be:
There...it's out. Or this way:
There are stones in the road Regards, Fortunato
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Amos Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:22 PM Now, hold on! My best pal in junior high, who walkerd the early folkie road withme, was primarily a banjo plucker, and one of the smartest guys I know to boot. It's not like he played the accordion! And, come to think of it, the smartest gal I know plays the accordion! Just shows to go ya. A |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: GUEST,Auxiris Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:18 PM Thanks, Neil X. . . LOL. Regardless, having already admitted to being a banjo player (and proud to be one) elsewhere in the forum, I don't know if I can qualify as an intelligent person. cheers, Auxiris |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: GUEST,Neil Lowe Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:06 PM Auxiris...may I make a suggestion? When posting to this forum, do what I do: pretend like you're talking to yourself. That way, if nobody responds, you will know that at least one other intelligent person saw what you had to say. Regardless, I think you have one helluva good start at piquing interest in your posts. Any moniker that has an "X" in it is always intriguing. Neil X. Lowe |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: GUEST,Auxiris Date: 31 Jan 00 - 12:46 PM Well, it did, Amos--believe it or not--and I am not anxious to try again. No, it was not the session and yes, it took me forever to get my computer back in running order. I also lost a lot of files in the process, so no poison cookies for me. Sorry for the thread creep. cheers, Auxiris
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Rick Fielding Date: 31 Jan 00 - 12:46 PM Jeez Auxirus, I doubt if you were truly "ignored", and I'm sorry if it appeared that way. keep in mind that all of us get "ignored" a lot of times here. Whether it be what we consider a very salient point, or a brilliant joke. As far as the joke goes...if I think it's REALLY good, I wait a couple of weeks and slip it into another thread! Even a musical point can be used again if you really want feedback. Just gotta be a little persistant at times. (or you can start a thread called "Joe Offer's Head on a Stick" and get IMMEDIATE detailed feedback!!!) Rick |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Amos Date: 31 Jan 00 - 11:28 AM Don't see how a cookie could tart up a whole computer, unless it was lemon meringue. It's just an ASCII string. It's more likely that the session did the tarting by locking up a port or some such confusing thing. New thread on the hatred of computers coming soon. A |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: GUEST,Auxiris Date: 31 Jan 00 - 11:22 AM Sincere thanks for your kind words, Gary; sorry to get chuffed off like that. I wouldn't even THINK of using anyone else's name and I think there's a lot of mistrust just now about the whole "guest" thing. What I didn't say is that when I tried to join Mudcat over a year ago, the "cookie" tarted up my computer pretty bad and it took me weeks to get it back in running order. And, just maybe the contributions I've made weren't all that interesting. cheers, Auxiris |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Gary T Date: 31 Jan 00 - 10:36 AM Auxiris, I'm sorry you've had a less than pleasant experience. I have no clue as to why it seems you might have been ignored. But I would like to clarify, there is no problem with the tag "GUEST" per se. Perhaps the thread title is a bit misleading. The problem (in my eyes, anyway) is that there has been a rash of posts lately that say "GUEST" and nothing more, the equivalent of leaving the "from" box blank in the past. Posting with some kind of name, as you did, is appreciated. You are not suspect just because of the "GUEST" label, and it's not necessary for you (or anyone else) to join and register. What's disconcerting is when the "from" box says ONLY "GUEST", leaving us no clue as to whether these very many "GUEST"-only posts are all from one person or from any number of different people. Please participate as you will, and I hope it gets better here for you. And thank you for adding the "Auxiris" name to your post. |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 31 Jan 00 - 09:41 AM Ladies and Gentlemen. I hope that none of you will take the drastic action of leaving the Mudcat because of the antics of some malcontent with nothing better to do than trying to piss people off. For my part I believe,that trying to intimidate people on here, is somewhat akin to a flea climbing an elephants tail intent on rape. The flea may achieve his objective, but the elephant will continue on oblivious; and for the most part uncaring. If someone intends anything otherwise, they might find out that some folkies do not turn the other cheek; and have the ability to reach out and touch someone... Yours,(not a nonny mouse) Aye. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: GUEST,Auxiris Date: 31 Jan 00 - 09:17 AM Okay, that's it; I've had it. After having been (relatively) courteous, having tried to help various people with bits of information, contributed the odd song and/or poem, having tried to join in on several discussions, been ignored for the most part by the rest of you, I'm leaving. Am I to be "suspect" because I choose not to become a member and thus have "GUEST" attached to my pseudo? I'll just have to be content with plundering the odd song here and there. Thanks a lot. Bye. Auxiris |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jan 00 - 04:12 AM Hi, Benjamin - the "Guest" designation is just to help prevent people from posting under the names of reigstered Mudcatters. If the "from" box says guest, you know it's not from somebody who's posting through a Mudcat registration. We had some impersonation problems that got a little nasty. I think Max came up with a pretty workable solution, that allows people to post easily without being registered, if that's what they want to do. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Brendy Date: 31 Jan 00 - 03:25 AM Happy Birthday Benji, old boy May you peace and prosper. |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: GUEST,Benjamin Date: 31 Jan 00 - 03:18 AM Wow, I couldn't finish reading this thread as it's long! (That happens when you don't check in). As for me, don't have a cookie, never did. But I promise, I do put my name when I post (I've quit using the "Blue Moon" name since the 'guest' came up though). For me, I am probably the youngest here (just turned 20 today!) and come here to often to learn from what others have learned or know. As far as I'm seeing, The 'guest' sign isn't really doing much, people were posting leaving the name blank before. I guess the only point of my post is to say that there is lots for me to learn here and I don't have a cookie. I just don't want people thinking I'm causing trouble when they see the 'guest' before my name. I must agree with your opening post Rick! BMW |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Brendy Date: 31 Jan 00 - 03:15 AM Moonchild. Whatever made you think that I directed my inquiry at you personally, as nowhere in my post did I so much as imply I was doing so? (Perhaps YOU should read my post again) Had you done me the courtesy of of addressing your concerns to me via the 'personal pages', I may have returned the favour. I don't see how "Innocent Question" could be construed as being anything else but that, and even given the amount of paranoia and latent xenophobia which has been apparent of late, I still think that the word "You" could stretch itself to include the plural definition. I just wanted to find out where you were all going: to another café, to the movies, going fishing......What? Whatever about getting fed up with 'Guests', there are people who hide behind equally ridiculous pseudonyms who are doing more, in my opinion, to hurt this place. And the sooner they get off peoples' backs the sooner this forum will quieten down.....in my opinion. Breandán |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Rick Fielding Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:40 AM Actually Al, I gotta come clean.(although I was hoping to get rid of a few snappy one-liners tonight) You have a good point. A little less than a year ago a fellow mudcatter provided their address and an invitation for others to visit them on an appointed day. I though "great, ain't that hospitable" and then had an attack of "reality" and sent them a private message suggesting that they be a little more careful with giving out that kind of information. The person was a bit taken aback at my "suspicious nature", and I re-thought the whole thing out at length. Well, as I often do, when in doubt, I turned to the writing of the wisest man who ever lived (in my humble opinion)Quentin Crisp. His views (many of which I emulate as well as a straight Canadian male can) are clear on this. "Anyone not wanting to murder you, is a potential interesting friend, so keep as open as possible...it's much more interesting that way". Now granted, I'm 6 feet tall, 220 pounds and have eyes in the back of my head, when it comes to smelling trouble, so perhaps if I was a little more potentially vulnerable, I might see it differently, but we'll just have to agree to disagree a bit on this. Oh by the way...I didn't mean accordion player...I mean't BANJO player! Sorry Bonnie, but Al might be 6' 5"!! By the way (part two) what stuttering? I never saw a thing, but my computer did funny things for a few minutes. Thank you Joe. As usual I'm in your debt. Rick |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 31 Jan 00 - 01:05 AM Rick: Accordion players?? So how long HAVE you known Len Wallace for?!?! LOL!! I have way too much fun at his expence... but he picks on everybody he knows too, so I guess it's all fair eh? LOL!! CAH |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: GUEST,Al Date: 31 Jan 00 - 12:55 AM As a matter of fact Rick, I do play the Accordion and I resent the implication. But what I am saying is that this is not a closed community of folk enthusiasts - it is open to the world. This is not the friendly confines of a folk club - you are in the big bad world (in the true global sense) of the internet. I simply try to warn the users that it can be dangerous to adults as well as kids to reveal too much personal information. Several threads on the mudcat encourage this - "Where do Mudcatters Live", "What Brand of Prophylactic ... " What Age ..." and you seemed to be trying to have people open themselves up even more. In Canada, you seem to be pretty civilized, but in the US you can get shot for cutting someone off in traffic. So if you piss off some lonely geek on a web site, you don't want to give him too much data to track you down. All I'm saying is, "Be careful out there!" |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jan 00 - 12:30 AM Ah, Rick never stutters - he's got Joe to clean up his duplicate messages (but he got caught this time...) Andrés, maybe you're right that something is going on. Now he's asking for BeeGees songs. I hate not to give requested information, if I have it, but this is getting to be a bit too much. I think all these requests are coming from the same person, although he/she has started to put various names in the "from" box. It's gotten past the point of merely being overenthusiatic, and it's well into the "obnoxious" area. So, should I go to the trouble of looking up "Stayin' Alive"? Maybe not. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: GUEST,_gargoyle Date: 31 Jan 00 - 12:26 AM Al....your message .....is precisely the one preached in the past....upon this very board....my only convert has been a reluctant Mr. Seed.....stopped short of revealing his wife's creditcard balances which (might have made him a REAL believer.) Use the white pages when selecting registration names....and juno/hot/net/ e-mail replies.
Shambles, "can-it-old-man" |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Amos Date: 31 Jan 00 - 12:12 AM It's that tired single digit -- it starts shaking late at night...--known as Mudcat's Forefinger. Which is odd because as far as I know real Mudcats don't have forefingers. A |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Little Neophyte Date: 30 Jan 00 - 11:58 PM Rick, you are stuttering again |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Rick Fielding Date: 30 Jan 00 - 11:55 PM Now be nice "A1" or is it "AL"? You have to take SOME chances in life. I've been a part of an international folk community for 30 years and I've never had a single maniac follow me home....although I've met a few accordion players that I wouldn't lend a lot of money to. Rick (happily spreading disservices, like johnny did Appleseeds) |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Little Neophyte Date: 30 Jan 00 - 11:42 PM GuestAl, I think Rick was suggesting that if you are a Guest it would be helpful for communication sake to identify the Guest. This doesn't mean you have to have a Cookie. Al the Guest, just like you posted, is very helpful for others who wish to respond to your particular posting. BB |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Escamillo Date: 30 Jan 00 - 11:39 PM Rick, I'm trying to throw out one of the dogs (not disturbing wife and two sons) in order to get a place in the bath tub. But they grunt (the dogs)- what can I do ? To be duly registered, that Rick asked me: "Andres, (how's the weather down there?) " Warm (30 C degrees at 1:30 AM) hugs - Andrés
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: bbelle Date: 30 Jan 00 - 11:36 PM Brendy ... if your comment was made to me, I will ignore it, and suggest you reread my post. If you have questions as to what I meant, please address it to me via personal message... moonchild |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Jan 00 - 11:31 PM ...and better to be pissed on than pissed through, 'cause that'd make you a pr.......well, you know......... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: GUEST,Al Date: 30 Jan 00 - 11:31 PM I will remain a "Guest". I have worked in IT for a long time and after it took years to put decent security on mainframe computers, along comes Bill Gates and security goes out of the window. "Windows" means that folks can look in as well as out! I therefore allow NO cookies to be placed on my computer by any site. I am careful to download only from reputable sites and do so to a file which can be virus scanned before running. The internet has enabled far too many crooks, assholes and idiots with an agenda to get into our personal lives and it is as a defense against this intrusion that I do not care to reveal much about myself. Those who do so may take that risk at their own peril and I feel that Rick Fielding does us all a disservice by encouraging personal revelations. Not everyone who may access the mudcat may be benign. |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Bugsy Date: 30 Jan 00 - 11:20 PM Thank you Paddymac, I now feel soothed. Cheers Bugsy |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: paddymac Date: 30 Jan 00 - 11:19 PM Ah, Bugsy, dear friend and valued commentator on mudcat miscellany, remember old Confucious saying: it is much better to be pissed off than pissed on. :>) Also old paddymac saying: the fuckers only win if you let 'em! |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Bugsy Date: 30 Jan 00 - 11:02 PM Especially the Anonymous "Guest" shit! Bugsy |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Bugsy Date: 30 Jan 00 - 11:02 PM I'm, here to stay too. I'm just getting so pissed off with all the associated shit that seems to be taking over so much of the threads. It's really pissing me off! Cheers bugsy |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 00 - 11:01 PM Interesting theory, Andrés. I don't think it's the case, but maybe I'm wrong. I think the person who came in yesterday and posted all those requests is just somebody who went a little overboard. If you're new here, it's easy to forget to fill in the name box when you're posting a message, and then the "from" part of your message shows up as GUEST with a blank. Before Max added the "Guest" designation, all you got was the blank. (So, Rick, I don't think it has anything to do with Max's changes - the box for entering the sender's name is just like it used to be, but now it registers "guest" and not just a blank). But no, I don't think all those threads yesterday came from somebody who was trying to play "folk police." A person with those interests wouldn't be asking for pop songs and songs that are included in Rise Up Singing. I think it's more likely an overenthusiastic kid with a new guitar, who's trying to gather chords for songs to play. At least, the person did what we like and asked for the songs separately, instead of all in one message in one thread. -Joe Offer- P.S. If you're having cookie problems, leave a message for me in the help forum. I'll look up your registration and get you straightened out. |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Rick Fielding Date: 30 Jan 00 - 11:00 PM Thanks for the feedback folks. Just in case there's any misunderstanding about my initial intent. I was asking folks with only the appellation "GUEST" to just sign your name to your post...or ANY NAME for that matter. Just makes it a bit more personal if you want a response. I know that a lot of folks are cookie-less at the moment, and obviously I don't mean them. Andres, (how's the weather down there?) One of the misconceptions here seems to be that GG is the only disenter on this forum. He is of course the long time master of the title "keeper of the flame", but I assure you that writing styles over a period of time produce as much evidence as fingerprints or DNA. Along with Quentin Crisp and Pete Seeger, one of my all-time literary heroes was a man named Auguste Dupin. He had some great little tricks that work well today. Problem is that pinpointing someone using "another name" may be entertaining detective work, but it ain't gonna help this forum flourish. Rick |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Brendy Date: 30 Jan 00 - 11:00 PM Innocent question. What exactly are you doing? Setting up an alternative Mudcat? And if so, why? Breandán |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Mbo Date: 30 Jan 00 - 10:58 PM I'm not disillusioned yet! I love this place to much for that to happen, no matter how many GUESTs play crazy games with our heads. I'm here to stay and never want to leave--ever! --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: bbelle Date: 30 Jan 00 - 10:53 PM Mick, hoping the "others" won't mind if I speak for them, you're most welcome in our group, though I suppose we should be careful about referring to us as a group. Let me reassure anyone who bristles at the word "group" that we are not setting ourselves apart from the rest, just simply showing support for a thought. For those who think everyone should think the same, except, of course, as regarding music, this is not the Mudcat Cafe - Stepfordville ... everyone here gets to think independantly. Mick, I'm glad to hear from your old grouchy, overworked, leftwing, broken down union organizer/singer self ... moonchild |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Jan 00 - 10:48 PM Anytime Ace...and answer your e-mail occasionally....just so I know you're alive!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Big Mick Date: 30 Jan 00 - 10:41 PM Hey 'Spaw, BB, My darling Moonchild, Bugsy Boy.........can a grouchy, overworked, left wing, broken down union organizer/singer jump in with you miscreants?????? It looks like pretty good company to me. I only have a few minutes but I can't think of a better place to spend it. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Sorcha Date: 30 Jan 00 - 10:37 PM Andres, those have been my thoughts exactly. |
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Subject: RE: Getting fed up with 'guests' From: Escamillo Date: 30 Jan 00 - 10:24 PM 90% of the GUEST postings come from the same person, whose purpose is to force all of us to discuss exclusively musical matters. For example, he/she posts requests for lyrics by the dozen, thus pushing all other threads down, out of the 1-day list. When he/she runs out of songs to request, he/she refreshes 30 or 40 old unanswered requests. I think it's a kind of musical policeman (with due respect to policemen). However, this place is an island of intelligence and kindness in the net, and worth bearing this situations and much more. Un abrazo, also for the GUEST - Andrés
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