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Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies

Dan Evergreen 07 Feb 00 - 05:17 PM
JamesJim 07 Feb 00 - 05:38 PM
sophocleese 07 Feb 00 - 05:44 PM
Clinton Hammond2 07 Feb 00 - 05:45 PM
bseed(charleskratz) 07 Feb 00 - 05:50 PM
M. Ted (inactive) 07 Feb 00 - 06:25 PM
pastorpest 07 Feb 00 - 08:14 PM
GUEST,Gene 07 Feb 00 - 10:35 PM
Mike Robertson 08 Feb 00 - 06:11 AM
M. Ted (inactive) 08 Feb 00 - 11:33 AM
Dan Evergreen 08 Feb 00 - 12:27 PM
Eric the Viking 08 Feb 00 - 01:25 PM
Clinton Hammond2 08 Feb 00 - 02:29 PM
M. Ted (inactive) 08 Feb 00 - 02:47 PM
John in Brisbane 08 Feb 00 - 05:20 PM
Mike Robertson 09 Feb 00 - 05:11 AM
Joe Offer 10 Feb 00 - 06:54 PM
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GUEST,Bruce O. 15 Apr 00 - 09:40 PM
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Subject: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: Dan Evergreen
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 05:17 PM

Could somebody help me chart basic chord equivalencies in the keys of a, c, d, e, f, and g? For example, Big Mick gave me the chords in c for Green Fields of France. (Thanks,Mick) They are C, Am, F, Dm, G, G7. What if I want to sing this song in a, d, e, f, and g? How would these C chords translate? (The assumption I am making in asking this is that C, Am, F, Dm, G, and G7 are a fairly useful set or progression of C chords, adequate for playing most folk songs in C. Perhaps those kind enough to respond will suggest a few others to put on the chart.)


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: JamesJim
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 05:38 PM

Dan,this is fairly simply. For example, if you are playing a song in C, the basic chords are C - G (G7) -F. If you play that same song in the key of D, you are moving everything one step/key, thus you would end up with D (from C) - A/A7 (from G/G7) - G (from F).

In other words, since you are simply moving one step from the key of C to the key of D, the corresponding chords move one step as well (of course, there are only 7 basic chords). This theory works the same with minors, as shown in your "Green Fields" chords. For example, if you were moving from the key of C to D, then your minors would move one step/chord as well (Am would become Bm and Dm would become Em). I'm sure you can see how the chords would move, if you you moved from the key of C to the key of E, for example. Everything would move 2 steps.

I think this is essentially correct. There are others on the Mudcat who may be able to give you a more detailed music "theory." Regards, Jim


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: sophocleese
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 05:44 PM

The only thing that ever mixes me up when I'm transposing is remembering that moving two steps up from E brings you to F# not F and that two steps up from B is C# not C. The basic chords for a song will usually only contain those notes that are in the scale of the song so if it doesn't quite sound right you may be accidentally throwing in major when you need a minor or vice versa.


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 05:45 PM

When I'm transposing stuff... I gotta do this...

I write this across the top of the page I working on...

abcdefgabcdefgabcdefgabcdefg...

That way I can count up or down as I need to... So from G to say C is up 3... then just move the chord names up 3 on my homemade chart...

Now I understand there are people out there who can do this kind of stuff in their heads, or can look at those squiggles on a piece of "sheet music" (?huh?) and can tell the key, the chords and even the melody...

To them I send the 2 finger slaute!! LOL! Lucky bastards

;-)


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 05:50 PM

Dan, what you need is The Circle of Fifths, preferably one that has two circles, the smaller on a pivot inside the larger. The circle itself has these chords: C-G-D-A-E-B-F#-C#-G#-Eb-Bb-F wrapping around it evenly spaced, with the F jumping to the original C to complete the circle. With this circle on the outside on a stationary card and the same but smaller circle on the inside on a rotating card, you can transpose from key to key quite easily:

If you want to transpose from C to G, for example, you rotate the inner circle so that the C lines up with the G; all the other chords in the music will then line up with the appropriate chords in G.

The circle is reproduced in many instrument instruction books, and probably can be purchased seperately on hard stock from any good music store. Just ask for The Circle of Fifths (it also has other uses, and is one of the most important tools for any musician).

--seed


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 06:25 PM

You can also do this--

Write out the scale for the key you are in, then write out the scale in the key that you want to transpose to underneath, lets say, D--and just replace the note or chord(major, minor, and interval desiganations stay the same from one key to the next) for the one underneath it. Resist the temptation to make a big block with all the keys, it will be very hard to follow--

C D E F C A B C
D E F# G A B C# D

No counting, no remembering, NO THINKING, therefore, no confusion--


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: pastorpest
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 08:14 PM

There are a variety of charts and cards, some appearing in song books and how-to books for your instrument, available at just about every music store. Short of learning music theory, a few dollars spent on such a chart or card, one that makes sense to you, will serve you indefinitely.


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: GUEST,Gene
Date: 07 Feb 00 - 10:35 PM

New addition to GOSPEL MUSIC ARCHIVE WEBSITE
automatically convert any KEY [chords]
Worth a LOOK/SEE--


CHORD TRANSPOSITION WHEEL -

*CLICK HERE FOR GOSPEL MUSIC ARCHIVE*


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: Mike Robertson
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 06:11 AM

And of course maybe you don't actually want to do any 'figuring', in which case here's a little 'basic' chart that should get you most of the transpositions you are after:

AD E(7)F#mBmC#m
CFG(7) AmDmEm
DG A(7)BmEmF#m
EAB(7) C#mF#mG#m
FBb C(7)DmGmAm
GCD(7) EmAmBm

Of course a capo is a simpler solution, here's a capo table to tell you where to put it to play in any key with any chord shape you prefer:

Key
played
Base chord shape to use
AC DEFG
A 0 9 7 5 4 2
Bb 1 10 8 6 5 3
B 2 11 9 7 6 4
C 3 010 8 7 5
C# 4 111 9 8 6
D 5 2 010 9 7
D# 6 3 11110 8
E 7 4 2 011 9
F 8 5 3 1 010
F# 9 6 4 2 111
G 10 7 5 3 2 0
G#11 8 6 4 3 1

-mike-


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 11:33 AM

Mike,

You are just too much!!!!


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: Dan Evergreen
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 12:27 PM

Yeah, Mike, your charts are exactly what I was hoping but hardly expecting to find. Thanks to everyone who responded. I hope the info can be used by others.


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 01:25 PM

Thankyou!! I transpose in my head, but chords only, I kind of think it out. I have no knowledge of music theory at all and can't read a note! I've tried but it won't click with me. It still looks like chinese (no offence but you know what I mean) I understand what dyslexia must belike a bit when I see music written down and try to figure it out. Eric


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 02:29 PM

MIKE!!! You rock!!!!!

I'm stealin' those charts!!

"Bloody Vikings!"

;-)


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 02:47 PM

Mike, you don't get off that easy--we want to know what other charts you have, and we want the HTML code!!


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 05:20 PM

Erik the Vicing/Eric the Viking, you are a real challenge. I'll drop you a line with an offer you can't resist. Cheers, John


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: Mike Robertson
Date: 09 Feb 00 - 05:11 AM

Sorry, no other charts actually lying around. The one I posted wasn't lying around either, I just stuck it together from scratch - I can usually do the transpositions in my head in real life (once I've got the key right...:-)

If there's anything similar you'd like to see then say the word and I'll give it a shot. So far as the HTML code is concerned that's also 'home-grown' (you can look at it with 'view source' if you're interested). As someone who's been maintaining various web pages for the past 6 years or so HTML has become a sort of second language...

-mike-


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Feb 00 - 06:54 PM

Gene said his previous post locked up some Netscape browsers, so he asked me to try this one;
-Joe Offer-

Thanks to Mike Robertson for the original chart HTML code.
I prefer the 1 thru 7 KEY/CHORD arrangement, and I re-arranged the chart as shown!
Gene

1 2 3 4 5 6 7
A B/m C#/m D E F#/m G#
Bb C/m D/m Eb F G/m A
B C#/m Eb/m E F# G#/m Bb
C D/m E/m F G A/m B
C# Eb/m F/m F# G# Bb/m C
D E/m F#/m G A B/m C#
Eb F/m G/m G# Bb C/m D
E F#/m G#/m A B C#/m Eb
F G/m A/m Bb C D/m E
F# G#/m Bb/m B C# Eb/m F
G A/m B/m C D E/m F#
G# Bb/m C/m C# Eb F/m G


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 00 - 06:36 PM


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 00 - 07:21 PM

Re/up


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 15 Apr 00 - 09:40 PM

There's a chord slide rule on my website as a GIF, so you can print it out from your browser.


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: Gary T
Date: 16 Apr 00 - 01:27 AM

Thanks, Bruce. Uh, where's your website?


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 16 Apr 00 - 01:50 AM

My website is at www.erols.com/olsonw


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: alison
Date: 16 Apr 00 - 02:10 AM

Thanks everyone for the great info..... another way to do it is to count the notes on a piano keyboard (assuming you know where the notes are).... so if you want to go from C to F you count 5 notes higher... same for every chord in the piece.....

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: GUEST,Gene
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 12:53 AM

Refresh-


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: The Sugar Dog (inactive)
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 12:57 AM

Put a link to this in the FAQ thread!

~Sugar Dog


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 01:17 AM

Damn good idea that SDOG!

;-)


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 01:44 AM

~curtsey~

A MUSIC thing in a Mudcat FAQ??????

What, is this a MUSIC site???!!!!

Falling down in hilarity.

~Susan (AKA Praise, AKA SD)


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 03:47 AM

Well, yes, there are a number of links to music information in the FAQ (click). The FAQ is a guide for getting around Mudcat - among other things, we also try to provide links to particularly worthwhile threads.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: Gene
Date: 08 Sep 07 - 12:58 PM

Refresh:

Recently a Catter was asking for help in converting from
from one key (& associated chords) to another...


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: Peace
Date: 08 Sep 07 - 01:06 PM

Conversions made easy.


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: Peace
Date: 08 Sep 07 - 08:40 PM

Here it is in big.


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Subject: RE: Chord Equivalencies
From: Gene
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 04:22 PM

RE UP


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Subject: RE: Help: Figuring out chord equivalencies
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 27 Feb 11 - 09:27 AM

Grishka's home-made interactive electronic transposer for English note names:

Copy the last two lines of this message to an editor or a word processing software. It is absolutely essential to use/apply a monospaced font such as Courier. At the beginning of the second line, insert spaces until two notes you want to map are in the same column, i.e. one on top of the other. Blanks between two letters signify either the letter to the left sharpened or the one to the right flatted. Now read all the other note mappings in the same direction (upwards or downwards).

To calculate capo positions, use the second line for what you want to finger and the first line for what you want to hear. Then the number of spaces you inserted equals the number of the fret for the capo.

C D EF G A BC D EF G A B
C D EF G A B


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